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Subject: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Morticia Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:08 PM Well, I've been trying to build the little bugger forever but couldn't seem to do it then Firecat, may her Name be blessed, found a site upon which it is a piece of cake.So if you would like a quick shufty ( look) go to blicky and let me know what you think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:25 PM I don't know you, but to be honest, your site looks amateur and overall is piss poor. There are lots of places to learn the basics of web design. I'd suggest consulting some of them. If you can't be bothered to find out how to design a decent web site, don't bother having one. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but my experience suggests that a bad web-site is worse than no web-site. Guest |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Jon Freeman Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:25 PM keep at it Morty but I'm afraid you've managed to pick on a couple of my pet hates. I tend to like a Web site that I can soon sort of feel at home and comfortable in. I find the use of different backrounds usually does and different location of links always does prevent me from that. Just my opinion but I would aim for a more consistent look and feel. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:27 PM Hey shit, there are thousands of arty farty well designed web sites that are complete and utter bollocks. Give me something that makes me laugh any day. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Morticia Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:29 PM Guest, perhaps you'd care to direct me to yours so I can see how it's done? Jon, valuable comments there, thanks. I am quite new to this, and it was my first attempt.If I didn't want to learn how to do it well I wouldn't have asked but constructive criticism obviously takes more time and thought than our friend Guest could manage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:34 PM It strikes me that Guest couldn't be bothered to think very hard. At least Jon thought his through and offered constructive advice.... I would suggest that Guest doesn't bother posting again..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:45 PM Liz, Guest thinks harder than you know. Guest also gets disallusioned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,Karen Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:08 PM "Disallusioned", huh? Couldn't find that word easily in my dictionary. Morticia, do not be disillusioned by mean old Guest. I also am a Guest (although in no way related to above-said person). I think your first website attempt is admirable. My husband and I are also thinking about creating our own website and, when that occurs, will be grateful for any well-meaning KIND advice. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:17 PM Guest: Karen, 'Mean' guest has an MA in web design. He is happy to offer advice. He had a bad day. Judge him as you will.. (he's also fairly well known musically, and you've probably clapped his perfomances in your time...!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:20 PM Build whatever quality web site your skills and energy will permit and then improve and modify from there. Transmitting the information available is the most important thing. Add some dancing butterfllies and I at least will think it is highly sophisticated. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: SINSULL Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:33 PM Well, Mean Guest - show us to your website so we can all see how it should be done! Morty, AOL won't let me see past your home page. I will check it out from work tomorrow. Wonder if Guest has seen your calendar picture and is using the same ploy he used in the fifth grade to get your attention. Mary |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:35 PM Hi Morty, I'll PM you the address of my web page. I don't promote it much because of certain unpleasant people and other things I'll explain. I've found it extremely useful in introducing myself to new people, and besides, it's fun just learning how to do fun tricks with HTML. Many times I've posted unlinked-to pictures for people to see. Just for fun I've read all kinds of web design advice and tutorials. I believe that with a lot of time, amateurs can produce an attractive page. I've learned things about colors and design (and fonts!) that I never knew before. Just a few things I've picked up (I don't necessarily apply them): 1) Content is the most important. 2) Backgrounds are generally a sign of an amateur. Dark backgrounds should be used with care. 3) Put a link back to the home page on every page. Also put the name of the person/company who is responsible for the page along with contact info on the home page. 4) Try to make all pages similar stylistically. 5) Most people don't like embedded music. I personally like it...thus use it. I especially like to have a background MIDI while I read song lyrics. 6) Keep the graphics small enough that loading is reasonable. Or provide enough content for folks to read as the graphics are loading. 7) If you want people to print out info, use black colored letters. Some people don't have color printer cartridges. 8) Baby boomers (like me) like large print. There are a gazillion different fonts which all indicate a different mood (like colors.) 9) Funny things happen when the same page is viewed with different browsers. Also, notice that Max wrote the first page of Mudcat to look good on 640 X 480 resolution as well as on 800 X 600. I just go for the latter which I think your page did also. 10) You shouldn't make people read a long horizontal line. Notice how Max has short newspaper-column-type lines on the first page of the Mudcat? 11) I've found typos on nearly 90% of the personal web pages I've viewed. (Even notified Max of one on this site.) Just for fun (and minor profit) I've proofed several business pages for friends. Just a quick look at your page...I really like the picture. And the fact that I have something to read while it's loading is good. Something about the links I found difficult to use/understand. Later... Mary
PS ...from Web Pages That Suck (a book on web design) --- there are only three simple reasons for creating a Web site: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Jon Freeman Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:49 PM Mary, content is important but it is only useful if people can find it (easily). I can think of one web site I have visited that contains a wealth of information but it is presented in such a way, I wouldn't mind betting that a large percentage of visitors just leave. Morty, one suggestion I heard given to students that you may find useful or at least interesting is to visit some web sites that you really like and try to work out what (in addition to content) they have that makes them good to you. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: SINSULL Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:01 PM The accuracy of your Zodiac readings is uncanny. The lint is rolling around here like tumbleweed. Note a typo: addition is missing an "i". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Giac Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:18 PM Hey Morty,
I like your web page. Guess that shows just how unsophisticated I am, in the opinion of GUESTs, et al. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Amergin Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:23 PM Well Guest, Shithead has struck in this thread too....and look he has a Monkey's Arse in web design....damn I'm impressed... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Cobble Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:24 PM Morty Good first try, I am still trying to get to get content put together before I start building. Guest If you THINK you are so well known why not introduce yourself???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Sorcha Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:33 PM Morty, just went thru all the pages, and my thoughts:
Home page--green print on lavender??? That is a little tough, the darker print works better.
LOVE the Zodiac pages. Since the neon colors are on black they don't hurt my eyes. If they were on neon ground...ugh.
Jokes page--LOVE the jokes, but the orange, blue and green print is hard on the eyes, esp. the green.
I don't mind colored backgrounds as long as the print is not contrasted too much (a darker color of the ground usually works best), and the fonts aren't too funky,and you didn't use Blackletter......thanks! Fun place, keep at it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Amergin Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:57 PM Looking great morty! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: SINSULL Date: 22 Apr 01 - 09:07 PM Giac...you're an old woman???? All this time I thought you were a crotchedy old man. Damn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Sorcha Date: 22 Apr 01 - 09:10 PM Geeeeack!!! Another Mary!!! (I thought so too, Sinsull, so you are not alone, lol!) Sorcha, who is also Mary......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: pattyClink Date: 22 Apr 01 - 09:36 PM It's fun, it's personal, it was a lot of work with a lot of heart. Congratulations on getting it off the ground! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 22 Apr 01 - 09:38 PM Oh NO......ANOTHER Mary! Morty, just a couple more thoughts... I read somewhere that horizontal lines are not good, disrupts the flow. I use them to set off the incidental info at the bottom of a page. Also, I could not find a way to contact you other than the guestbook. And about the guestbook...I'm not sure how they work, but some people don't like the idea that a jerk can put some ugly remarks instantaneously that you don't get a chance to censor. Also, there needs to be a space after the comma on the third line of the links page. Love the large type. Us Boomer Marys appreciate that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Giac Date: 22 Apr 01 - 10:32 PM **Creep alert** LOL, Marys and SINS -
The crochedy old man is my alter ego. We got very tired of hearing Mary, Mary Quite Contrary sung at us in early childhood, so we split in two and really prefer to live in anonimity.
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Amergin Date: 22 Apr 01 - 10:35 PM Where have all the Marys gone? Gone to Giac-off everyone.... When will they ever learn? Sorry I couldn't resist...I'll go hide in the corner now.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Giac Date: 22 Apr 01 - 10:37 PM Amerigin - You're bad! I like that in a person. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Apr 01 - 10:45 PM Morty, I think your site is great, though my monitor is old, small, and dark amd I can't get sound on this puder-- I hope to see it again when we replace this old hulk, and I am sure you will have a lot of fun with it as you go along. Excuse me, folks, but let's not let someone who said himself he'd simply had a bad day give us a bad day too, now. It's not the worst batch of BS anyone ever flung around here, what he said. If you back someone into a corner when they are having a bad day, it doesn't leave them an out to amend their behavior, does it? ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: hesperis Date: 22 Apr 01 - 10:58 PM Amergin - Don't insult monkeys when it comes to websites. The best resource for learning about html and more great webpage stuff that I've ever found is www.webmonkey.com Ok, Morty. I love it! So, ok, the different backgrounds kinda make it a difficult adjustment on the eyes for every page, but your content is there. I like the orange-on-black page, it just seemed suitable as a theme for a band named Hunters Moon. On the art page, the first pic would be suitable as something to put a band pic inside... or at least have a radial (sphere) blend instead of a square one in the blue thing. The second pic I really like. The next two, not so much, but they are still cool. I like these so much that I am downloading a program for fractal art right now! Second art page: I LOVE the dragon one! Horrorscopes: are beautifully funny! Sagittarius was very accurate, but virgo's had a typo on "broccoli". Links page: thanks! Cool stuff here. For whoever said something about using "dark backgrounds with care" - white backgrounds are the hardest on the eyes, but most people use them. Older monitors and video cards really make white screens flicker, and you can get a really bad headache from those. White text on black is actually the most restful for the eyes, on computers. Good luck! So, when are you going to put your music on IUMA? Or is it already?
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Apr 01 - 11:43 PM Geez I hate it when I miss all the fun...........I was gone all day, but this AM visited Morty's place and I guess I'm as unsophisticated as Giac....I liked the joint. Signed your guestbook too. After reading the reasonable comments here, I can see where there are some good ideas for you to use! But you know what I like best in any personal website? I like it when they reflect the owner/creator! I think, Terri my luv, you do THAT quite well....so take the good comments and critiques and apply them as they fit you, but don't lose the tone that tells me it's you!! And as for the the Dipstick Guest (probably a member, but why go into all that....it would be nice if people had the guts to sign their name), here's a personal suggestion for you from Ol' Spaw who never posts anonymously............Have a Coke and a Smile and Shut the Fuck Up. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,marty D Date: 23 Apr 01 - 12:23 AM Morticia, you've done a fine job. Funny, I really pictured you as an exotic brunette...but JUST as attractive. Keep up the good work, you'll get lots of visitors. Marty Dawson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Bert Date: 23 Apr 01 - 12:33 AM Well at last someone has the common sense to use a large font. My poor old eyes are eternally grateful, it's such a pleasure to be able to take my glasses off and actually read the screen. Love the lavender background as well. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: sledge Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:04 AM Great stuff Morty, keep it up. I did think that the picture should have you holding a pint pot as thats the only other one of you I have seen 8) Ignore guest (MA) he can kiss My A@#e. Sledge Still hoping to make the green man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Gervase Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:35 AM Terri - it's a darned site/sight better than mine, which is a twee pile of pants that could do with flushing down the cyber-khazi. Mary in KY's got some good pointers there, though. One of the most important things for a clean a site is consistency (and no, yer daft bint, I don't mean how sticky it is!). Start with a basic grid-based template and use it for each page, with the universal links-set in the same place on each page, and the same background on each if possible. You don't have to use frames or anything like that - in fact, the cleaner and simpler the HTML is, the better for most browsers. However, if you break up the page vertically as well as horizontally, it's easier on the eye - Mary's suggestion of columns is good (though don't have columns that require you to scroll down and then bounce up again to get to the top of the next one - and remember that font size is often set by the browser, so what looks fine on your screen in preview may not work on someone else's machine) It's one of those areas where simplest is best - fonts, rules, wingdings or whatever should be disciplined, madam; made to understand that they can't just go wild and run around unchecked! Ahem. Sorry, authoritarian tendencies showing there... But I sure ain't pissing on the parade - you've done a heck of a lot more than most people in just getting the thing up there in the first place! And 186 hits in a couple of days isn't bad. Think of what you've saved in stamps and phone calls... Attagirl! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: JudeL Date: 23 Apr 01 - 07:06 AM Just had a look, love the "horror"scopes, jokes and links, but I couldn't get the music to play. The colour scheme: - most impressed at anyone who is both capable of and has the flair/courage to do things like that and being your site it's style should be and is a reflection of you. One minor problem, with my ancient, steam driven, monitor some of the smaller, coloured writing is difficult to read. That aside, people visit sites for content, style and fun. If he can't follow the two of three rule (kind, true neccessary,) the anonaMOUSE guest having a bad day should shut his trap, no matter how brilliant he is. This is your first go, and if it isn't technically perfect in every detail it has the important things, i.e. it's there and it's interesting enough to be remembered and revisited |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 23 Apr 01 - 08:50 AM Didn't sign the guest book, too busy stealing the jokes.... RtS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Maryrrf Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:26 AM Another Mary here, and to top it off my last name is Smith. I'm not bothered about giving out my real name - just try looking that one up in the phone book. Let's just say you'll get a lot of hits. Morticia, I liked your website and admire you for doing it. I've been thinking about doing one and made a few stabs at it but even with geocities easy templates I felt kind of intimidated and haven't done it yet. I was shocked when I saw all those negative comments from "mean guest" and I think he's full of crap! I'd like to see his website just out of curiousity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: KingBrilliant Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:37 AM Hi Morticia. I like your web site - especially the way you have the click to hear a track thingies on each page - that's the important things anyway :) . I'm happily listening now..... Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: KingBrilliant Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:47 AM Just had another look (just to see whether I agreed/disagreed with the comments that I hadn't read before the first look). I still like it. I like all the strong colours & I think they bind the pages together OK as they're the same tones & the pages are similar in style. Never mind all the theory about web design. If you like your site then keep it that way. It'd be boring if all sites followed the same rules. Its a personal site, so its personal style. Very scrummy Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Rick Fielding Date: 23 Apr 01 - 11:15 AM Just checked it out. Way to go Morty. Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,Patrish Date: 23 Apr 01 - 11:26 AM Hi, have just had a look and I really enjoyed the jokes and horrorscopes. I would love to have a go at my own personal website, but at present am stuck with doing our company site - not allowed to post jokes on it :-( Keep the jokes and the scopes updated and you should get traffic. loved it Patrish xx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: gnu Date: 23 Apr 01 - 12:15 PM Morty... Haven't had a chance to spend any amount of time there, but it looks good to me, and I will be back there as soon as I have some time to do it justice. Spaw - is thirty days up already ? Amergin... you might need someone to hold him still during the procedure. I volunteer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: sledge Date: 23 Apr 01 - 12:38 PM Just how does Morty KNOW about the Marmosets Sledge |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Llanfair Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:02 PM Terri, that's really good!!!! I'm ever so impressed. I like the big writing, too. I didn't get to hear the music because aol closed down when I clicked on it, but I will try again. Well done. Cheers, Bron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Morticia Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:03 PM Thanks lots, guys.I have lots of ideas to put in to practise and lots of kind messages and encouragement in PM's, here and in the Guest Book.I had fun doing it and most people seemed to have fun reading it so Guest...if you are still around....bite me! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: lady penelope Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:39 PM If you like Carramia, I shall have Parker bite him for you. TTFN M'Lady P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: mousethief Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:42 PM First time that she got it she was 20 years old Got it from the browser next door Started clickin' and uploadin' till the evenin' was old Now I think she's got it some more
It gives her Web Site Fever
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Mrs.Duck Date: 23 Apr 01 - 05:13 PM Well I liked it and since when has being an amateur been a bad thing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Apr 01 - 07:12 PM See Guest, I ain't the only one!!! So Thhhhsssspppppp!!!! (I think that's how you spell raspberry noise........) LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Apr 01 - 07:17 PM Even the guest book is funny....! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Micca Date: 23 Apr 01 - 07:21 PM Only if you are an amateur brain surgeon, Mrs D, Nice one Terri, and the makeup needed to get you and steve looking like that doesnt show...much... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Nemesis Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:06 PM Well, glad I gave into mudcat temptation tonight at 1.45am . Really liked the Website, Morticia - hope to see more and enjoyed the jokes.. Guest was obviously having a bad day - still, he was comprehensively sorted by mudcatters (kind of reminds me of the same deal Marilyn Manson got when he waded into the Gothic Gardening forum and berated Goths for gardening!) I also envisaged you as wearing a lot of eye liner! Great picture though All the buried vests - let us know when you have a gig as we live in the Southernmost of England and, subject to Yugo, travel Hille |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: KingBrilliant Date: 24 Apr 01 - 05:08 AM Liz - surely that's Bdttthhhhhp. OK - maybe you're right after all. Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: alison Date: 24 Apr 01 - 05:12 AM loved the site Morty slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Geoff the Duck Date: 24 Apr 01 - 10:38 AM Don't let the "Knockers" of this world get to you! When I happen across the self-styled "experts" my response is "you may think you know a lot about ******** (insert topic), but what do you know about identifying mushrooms (or embroidery, or designing and building a banjo from scratch, or juggling custard, or running a mass spectrometer?). The answer in most cases wil be (to quote our American friends) "zilch"! In this case, since when was the Internet a professional organisation - most of the web sites worth visiting are created by weirdos, monomaniac obsessives and nutters who do not give a hoot about what somebody claims to be "MA website design". I used to work at a university as a technician and I know only too well the junk which passes for reasoned argument. The academic world is full of shysters talking bollocks, so when someone starts claiming their degree as a reason to listen to them, that is when I start to reach for the salt cellar, so I can take what is said with a pinch of salt! I have a degree in Biology - so what! I didn't start to understand mushroom collecting until years later when I started to do it for the fun and excitement of cooking them (and the looks of horror on the faces of other people)! I loved the horoscopes. If you like what you have done, don't let anyone tell you it's rubbish. Just a couple of constuctive comments. Try to make the blue clickies short. Only highlight a few words, not the whole sentence, especially when it wraps to several lines of text. It is a bit confusing. One of your pages contains a "Heading" which is underlined. On my screen it looks like a blue clicky, so I wasted some time trying to click on it and get it to do something. Have fun with it! Quack!!!!! GtD
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Jon Freeman Date: 24 Apr 01 - 10:47 AM Having read all the comments here, I thought maybe I had been a little harsh or that perhaps those that said things don't matter were right. I asked my mother's opinion which I did by opening the main page and asking her to browse through. My mother has no idea about rules of web design and had no idea who's site it was. It has further convinced me that contary to what many people have said here, certain things are important even with personal pages. I'm not saying "rules" can't be broken or people should not be themselves but if in doubt, I would certainly get some basics right. Here is some of what happened: From home, she clicked on the band page, and exclaimed "O my god, this is horrible" when she saw the black/orange split background. She then went back and went to the first art page which produced another yelp as she discovered yet another color scheme. Next visit was the second art page where she said "do I really have to wait for this to load", I asked "what would you normally do" and she said "go back". In fairness, the fastest connection speed of 28.8k here but a subsequent inspection of the page revealed that the images (which I happen to think are superb) are far to large for the display size - much faster download times could easily be achieved without altering the appearence of the page. I then asked my mother to navigate using the links rather than the back button. The comments I recieved were along the lines of "this is a jumble/ this is a mess". Finally, I asked her whether she would have visited the whole site and she said "no, I'd have left after the 3rd page". I do acknowledge this was just one visitor but it may well be relevant that this person was not visiting as a friend of Morticia's. Please do not get me wrong, I am not trying to bash Morticia (I am in fact pleased that she is giving it a go and wish the site well) but to try to illustrate the fact that people like me do pass comments in an attempt to be constructive and to help make the site more attractive to others. You'll never please everyone but a few simple steps, even with personal pages can help to widen the number of people who will stop by and give the site a proper look when surfing through. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,Karen Date: 24 Apr 01 - 11:05 AM Morticia, thank you for being the "new website guinea pig". I have read some great comments and considerations in this thread and plan to take them to heart when the spouse and I make the effort to put together our own website. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: dick greenhaus Date: 24 Apr 01 - 12:01 PM Omigod! Last night there were four Marys, and now look what's happened! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 24 Apr 01 - 01:56 PM ...there was Mary_____, Mary_____,Mary_____ and ME! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Geoff the Duck Date: 24 Apr 01 - 02:25 PM Jon - sure things can be improved. I suspect that Morty is already considering how they might be. That said, the starting point of a web site is to get something on screen. We have the rest of our lives to learn the finer points of web design - what works - what adds to a site - what makes things more difficult to read - and all the rest. I have not made use of these new "here is a template, drop your text and pictures here" forms of web creation. I have done all of mine with a text editor and sheets of paper with arrows reminding me which page links to where. Morticia - I would mention that I found HTML pretty easy to learn from scratch, and there are some excellent online tutorial sites to help you learn. Knowing HTML means that you can make your web pages do what YOU want them to do rather than what the template allows. That said, there are too many websites out there which are just boring. The layout may be exemplary, but the content is tedious, ill thought out and of no interest to anyone except the site's owner and perhaps their pet cat.
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Jon Freeman Date: 24 Apr 01 - 02:42 PM I hope she does and I suspect that the end result will be good. BTW, I'm no good at Web design. I can put stuff together that works, is easy to read and navigate, etc. but I lack the imagination and artistic touches that when used well can really make a site stand out. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: catspaw49 Date: 24 Apr 01 - 03:07 PM Jon, I don't find anything wrong with what you said and nothing wrong with what I said either. It's honest on your part and honest on mine. I wasn't as bothered by some of the things, but I think all the good computer folks have also given her good info and she'll take it, much as Geoff said. I still also believe that reflecting Terri is a key element......I learn more about folks that way. Now if you want a bizarre site to critique folks................Try this one!!! I have no idea what this reflects............. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Jon Freeman Date: 24 Apr 01 - 03:17 PM Spaw, I thought you were having a bit of a go at those who had tried to offer advice but I accept and believe what you say. I'm sorry that I took things the wrong way. Also, I agree that reflecting Terri is an important element. As for that site, I've got to say I like it - what else can one say... Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Liz the Squeak Date: 24 Apr 01 - 03:51 PM Spaw... that site is truly surreal!!!!.... where on earth do people find these things?? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Hawker Date: 24 Apr 01 - 07:38 PM Hi Morty, I still have no idea where to start making a website, so I am not going to criticise! Love the Horoscopes, my sense of humour there! Nice to put faces to names Lucy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 30 Aug 01 - 07:04 PM Morticia, I can't get your site to work. Has the address changed since you posted this thread? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Gareth Date: 30 Aug 01 - 07:25 PM Precisley - ( Note Typo) But general rules which might help. 1/. Keep download times short if possible. 2/. Tables format text for you. 3/. 10% of the Male population suffer fron colour blindness to some degree so keep you colour v text schemes basic and simple - and use larger or bold text. 4/. Use a WYSIWYG - I find "Hot Metal" simple and easy to use, and with a bit of knowledge of HTML, very good. NB The earlier and very satisfactory editions of "Hot Metal" are frequently given away with PC magazines. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: hesperis Date: 30 Aug 01 - 07:54 PM Well, guess what I found... "Sorry, Homepages are currently down. As you may or may not know, Bolt uses another company to provide homepages to our members. Despite our best efforts, this other company has decided to not maintain this aspect of their business for Bolt, and unfortunately, has quite suddenly turned off your ability to access your pages. We are doing everything in our power to get access to the pages you have created, and we hope to have the contents of them back to you soon. You will get another email from us as soon as we know more details about what's going to happen. We're sorry for any inconvenience this might cause you...we'll have this all sorted out as soon as possible. Thanks for being patient! If you have any questions or comments, you can email us at homepages@boltstaff.com. Thanks! Bolt Staff" Morty - I hope you had that backed up somewhere! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: alison Date: 30 Aug 01 - 08:17 PM yeah I tried to link it to mine yesterday when I was updating... but got the same messages.... Morty.... have you moved somewhere else? slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 16 May 02 - 06:53 PM Terri, Is your site available anywhere now? It was hilariously bad, and I'd like to see it again |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 May 02 - 07:17 PM A very frustrating thread because I couldn't open the website, to see what people were discussing - and it sounded fun. (Incidentally anyone with critical comments worth taking any notice of in this context will have provided a link to their own website, by PM or in the thread.)
Let us know when you've got it back up. There is still no shortage of free webspace without ads. So long as you keep a copy of the webssite on your computer or on a disk, it easy as pie to start up a replacement. (The only hassle is the address changing - and even there it's easy enough to get a forwarding address type URL which stays constant even if you change the actual address.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Hrothgar Date: 17 May 02 - 04:46 AM I can't get in either. Usually I'd say it was my lack of computer skills, so I'm glad to see it's happening to others. Is there something we're all doing wrongly? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: kendall Date: 17 May 02 - 10:31 AM I can't get into your site either, so, I can't say if it's good or bad, but, a word to Guest; TACT IS ONLY NOTICED WHEN IT IS MISSING. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 17 May 02 - 10:59 AM Guest is bored - let it go |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: DMcG Date: 17 May 02 - 11:16 AM As someone who has been involved with the Internet for more years than I care to remember it is interesting to see how people attitutes to Web sites have changed. Including my own attitude. After several rehosts and reworkings I have gradually dropped all of the things I couldn't really be bothered to maintain and ended up with things that are essentially static. As a result, all there is left now is my family tree which is endlessly fascinating to a few hundred people in the world and 100% boring to all the rest. But the point is it serves a purpose that couldn't really be addressed any other way. If you want to see the end result of something that is extremely complex in terms of linking but extremely simple in terms of HTML, try here. But if I were you, I wouldn't bother! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: DMcG Date: 17 May 02 - 11:20 AM By the way this is me! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Morticia Date: 17 May 02 - 12:00 PM Why thank you for your interest, Guest....and I'm glad you enjoyed the site LOL.Truth is I experimented with all sorts of ideas and had fun playing with HTML and learned...eventually ...and with help and advice from lots of people here what might work and what did not.The hosts went out of the hosting business so my past indiscretions are now thankfully buried :)I do host another, very succesful site if you count a lot of traffic as success and have even been asked for my advice from people wanting to do something similar so I guess my early experiments provided some experience as well as amusement.Clearly you are an expert on such matters and became one instantly without any need to learn or experiment so I don't expect you to understand but many people such as myself learn through trial and error and the kindness of friends...I don't suppose you know too much about that either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: DMcG Date: 17 May 02 - 12:04 PM Well said, Mort. I think every site needs a purpose, and learning something new is better than most! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 May 02 - 12:16 PM So are we going to be invited to visit? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: katlaughing Date: 17 May 02 - 12:58 PM DeeMcGee (*bg*) thanks for posting your link! As one who is hot on the ancestors' trail, I am appreciative of the simplicity of your design and know enough about html to realise the amount of work that must have taken to create all of those pages and links, as well as NOT get the info for each mixed up! Very impressive. Morteedarlin'...It is unworthy of your attention, sweetie, and none of the rest of us care about its opinion. luvyakat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 17 May 02 - 01:48 PM Morticia As Kevin said, can you provide a link to your new site please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Morticia Date: 17 May 02 - 02:45 PM It isn't a general interest site in that it is there to showcase one of my other interests, designing stuff for The Sims which is a computer game.I design clothes, furniture and so on and put them up so other Sim's players can download and use them in their game.It's been up about 3/4 weeks now and has had about 1,800 visitors so I guess people like what I do.If you want to go look it's at blickie And Katadarlin', I work for Social Services, it would take a lot more than a charmless guest to upset me *BG*. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 17 May 02 - 03:04 PM Thank you, Terri I've never quite got The Sims, but that's probably my problem.
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Jon Freeman Date: 17 May 02 - 05:23 PM Nice site. I had horrors first time I viewed it though. Everything was just set over to the left and navigation would have been impossible (I mean the arrows didn't line up with any text). I have since found out that I can not view the site properly using Netscape 4.78 with JavaScript turned off. I'm not sure if this is just a pecularity of the Java version I use but it maybe worth checking to see if the same problem occurs using the Windows version of Netscape 4.78 as I think Netscape 4.7x browers are quite common. Mozilla and a couple of others I've tried seem quite happy with Javascript turned off. I assume IE is OK - I'm not sure which way I had it set and haven't time to re-boot to Windows to try. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 17 May 02 - 06:31 PM Jon, I think that Terri used a "cookie cutter" design. In other words, as long as it works with IE, that'll do me |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Jon Freeman Date: 17 May 02 - 06:59 PM I'm not sure Guest. My own feeling is that Terri has probably just hit on one that "doesent work when a less common specific version of browser "x" is configured with "y" paramaters. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 17 May 02 - 07:32 PM Terri, just a quick look at it from here...quite impressive with the number of visitors in such a short time! If you're interested in traffic to your site, you might put the word "SIMS" (or likely search words) on each page. Put it in the URL for some search engines, and get people to link to you if you're interested in a Google listing. On the women-clothing page there is a typo, "skn" should be "skin." I'm also a little confused by the arrow buttons. Perhaps the word should be links or the buttons should be immediately to the left of the words. All in all - GOOD SHOW! I'm learning about SIMS! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: SINSULL Date: 17 May 02 - 09:01 PM In 1971, I took a job with a placement agency and was asked to create a name for myself using my own first name and a four letter last name beginning with the first letter of my actual last name. Desperate for work, I offered Mary Sims rather than Mary Shit. Thirty years later, I am once again confronted with that hated name but haven't a clue. What is or are SIMS? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 May 02 - 09:13 PM My daughter plays the Sims, I'll have to ask her if she has seen your site. I haven't seen it since right now it gives the message The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information. It also says it will be available again within the hour. I have lots of web pages, and they have been a real job to create and I am sure I need to go back and thoroughly check out links for expired connections. Keeping them up to date is probably the most tedious part of the job. I'll check back later to look at your pages. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Liz the Squeak Date: 18 May 02 - 04:01 AM Hey, more genealogists - DMcG - any chance you could give me some tips on setting up my own? Yeah, I know, interesting to about 0.0001% of people, but it's my family, I know they spread over the world and many of them have been kind enough to contact me about them. The eternal question for you now; How far you got back then? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Morticia Date: 18 May 02 - 04:26 AM Sins, it's a computer game in which you design and create houses and gardens, furnish them,then create people who will live in them and you run their lives i.e. you send them to work,have them climb the corporate ladder, make friends, marry, have children, divorce.....whatever you want really.It sounds rather dull I know but I can promise you it is highly addictive and very enjoyable.I've been playing for about a year and recently got into designing items for the game which adds a whole other dimension.Get it, you will love it but don't blame me if your real life gets put on hold in the process. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: DMcG Date: 18 May 02 - 05:36 AM Thanks for your comments on my family tree. As usual, I cheated! I keep all the information in one of the specialist programs - in my own case Family Tree Maker, but there is no particular reason to favour this one. Most genealogy programs can make create a file in a standard format called 'GEDCOM'. I wrote a Visual Basic program to read the GEDCOM and create the Web pages from it. How far back? In the UK getting back to 1834(ish) is moderately easy because that's when records were centralised. Earlier involves visiting local churches etc so is much more difficult. So I have the tree pretty well complete for the main family strands after that date and then occasional branches back to mid 1700's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Mrs.Duck Date: 18 May 02 - 02:25 PM Sadly your site is temporarily unobtainable so I'll have to look later, Terri. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: C-flat Date: 18 May 02 - 05:17 PM I've tried a couple of times today to access your site but no luck. DMcG I like your site and as a "Boro" lad recognised a few family names there. |