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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Apr 02 - 10:29 PM Ha! Yeah, "customers" does sound more democratic, doesn't it? Why throttle the canary brutally with your bare hands, when you can smother it gently with a nice soft overstuffed feather pillow from K-Mart? The American Indians made lousy customers. That's why it was considered more expedient at the time to relocate them or simply wipe them out. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Troll Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:57 PM BTW, LH. "Subjects" has such...ah...undemocratic overtones. We prefer "customers". Much nicer word, don't you think? troll |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Troll Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:53 PM Thank you Little Hawk. The proclaimation should have read people or citizens. End of song. End of story. troll |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:47 PM troll - No, they are not. To say they are is to echo a rather archaic tradition. Canada has been a legally independent country for quite a long time now. As I said, they are subjects of corporate America, but that's not necessarily official, you understand. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Troll Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:39 PM Again I will ask my question which is, as yet, unanswered. Are the people of Canada subjects of the British Crown? A simple "yes" or "no" will sufice. troll |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:29 PM Now don't underestimate Jean Chretien's ignorance, please! A little respect would be in order. Let's let Jean speak for himself... Don' lec-ture me about 'oo is a citiZEN of Ca-na-DA! I wrote da book on dat, because I am da little guy from Shawinigan and I have da comMON touch. I speak straight from da HEART! An' if you don' like what I got to say, den you better jus' watch yourself, budDY, cause I am da Prime MiniSTER of dis countRY, an' I got a Loooong Arm! Two of dem, in fact! An' I will jus' grab you aroun' de t'roat an' teach you a 'ting or two if you get in my way! An den my mounties will teach you a 'ting or t'ree, mister! An' we got pepper SPRAY to spare if dat don' shut you up! - LH |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Jeri Date: 11 Apr 02 - 08:10 PM In his ignorance, Mr Cretien doesn't look at a dictionary and misses the the fact that "citizen" means "inhabitant." Maybe the dictionaries in Quebec are different than the ones elsewhere, or maybe Quebec isn't really a place, only a state of mind... |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: GUEST,Jean Chrétien Date: 11 Apr 02 - 07:43 PM In his ignorance, RichM refers to "citizens of Quebec." There is no such thing as *Quebec* citizenship, only **Canadian** citizenship. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: RichM Date: 11 Apr 02 - 06:53 PM Quite an insult, Jack the Sailor. And citizens of Quebec have gone to war--for Canada. Among them my father. My two uncles. Have you faced enemy bullets, like they did? |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 11 Apr 02 - 05:35 PM Anyone who thinks Quebec is a nation has no idea of the meaning of the word. FRANCE is a lot more like the United States than it is like Quebec. France, Canada, England and the US are places that have stood up as Nations and have had their citizens die for their Nationhood. Quebec has always been dependant upon others for its security and Welfare. Could Quebec survive as a Nation without the protection of Canada's Alliances Armies and Tariffs. Maybe, but her people would not accept the drop in living standards. Distinct culture, maybe, but what is that, a few comedians, a few singers who cares? Quebec has never had the courage to be a nation. She probably never will. BTW The condolences should have read "the people of Canada" |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: sophocleese Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:39 PM Personally I consider myself a "citizen", not a subject, and definitely NOT a consumer. I agree that it was poorly worded which is strange as it could so easily have been written differently. So who really stirred the pot? |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: GUEST Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:26 PM I went on a visit last year to Kweebeck and had a tabernooshing good time. Most of the people I met were pretty cool, but those whining Kaybeckwaa politicians, tabernoosh. The licence plates in Kweebeck say "Je me souviens." I thought it "I have souvenirs," but it means "Me, I remember." I asked someone what it is they remember and they said they remember that they were conquered by the British in 1759. Tabernoosh, I thought, 1759. Then I noticed that the Kaybeckwaa flag was the fleurs-de-lys, the symbol of the French monarchy. Tabernoosh, I thought, these Kaybeckwaa are still loyal to the king of France. Haven't these people heard, there was a revolution in France in 1789. No, I guess they haven't. And that's why those Kaybeckwaa blockheads insulted that lovely old drunk lady who died last week in London. Now me, I remember this nude lap dancer I met in a strip bar in Montreal. But that's another story. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in BlindRiver Date: 11 Apr 02 - 02:02 PM Well geez of corse evfeybodyu wants to be like us Anglos, man... We are the best. Face it. We invented just about everyghing worth doing and we run the show. We own all the important brewweries. Also, Don Cherry is from Emnglish Canada, eh? What more do I rweally have to say? BDiBR |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Troll Date: 11 Apr 02 - 01:57 PM Little Hawk is right. You people are milking a mouse. troll |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: RichM Date: 11 Apr 02 - 01:45 PM No, I don't need to read history. I am a genuine descendent of a vibrant Quebecois culture--NOT a *Norman* culture. Quebec is as different from France as the USA is from England. Fish are unaware of water, because they are surrounded by it. Anglo cultures often exhibit the same un-awareness of culture, by taking granted that everyone aspires to be *just like them* In a medium--the internet-- that spans the globe, surely you can see that there are many more cultures-and points of view-than only the anglo variety? |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: GUEST Date: 11 Apr 02 - 12:32 PM RichM needs to read history. We were conquered by the bloody Normans in 1066. The only written language was Latin, the only spoken language at the court was French. We dont harbour grudges, and assimilated into the British, United Kingdom, England.... Its easier to keep what you have than reinvent it. Canada has a rich cultural diversity. The PQ need to grow up and join the 21st century and stop being such babies. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Apr 02 - 12:28 PM Oh. One more thought on this. If the Queen of England had any real power or authority over the lives of Canadians, then I'd be worried about whether or not we were referred to as her "subjects" in some relatively obscure document that will soon be forgotten. The British monarcy has no real authority in the lives of Canadians anymore, so I'm not worried about it. All that remains now are the vestiges of a vanishing tradition. We are subjects of corporate America, not of the British Crown...and that remains true whether anyone says it or not. That's worth worrying about. On that rides the future of our resources, our fresh water, our economic survival, and our cultural survival, whether or not we are French or English or anything else. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Apr 02 - 12:18 PM Yawn. Quebec and the rest of Canada will bicker about this sort of thing till the world turns on its side. Well, it's mildly amusing anyway, and at least we're not invading cities and shooting people and blowing things up "real good". I love this country...it's so moderate, eh? :-) - LH |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Troll Date: 11 Apr 02 - 11:55 AM The question seems to me to be, are Canadians "subjects" of the Queen or not? If they are, then the proposal as stated was correct. If they are not, then "subjects" should never have been used as it is the wrong word. So which is it, Canadians, "subjects" or "citizens"? troll |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: RichM Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:52 AM Those who dismiss the Bloc Québecois stance in this matter are unaware that it's a matter of principle. If YOU belonged to a culture that was very aware that it was a conquered people, you might be more sympathetic. Why do I think so? because I am mostly Quebecois in blood, with lesser amounts of Irish, Scot, and Amerindian. Therefore,I think I can speak with authority about this. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Mrrzy Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:30 AM Hang on - you don't send invitations to a funeral, do you? |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: pict Date: 10 Apr 02 - 11:42 PM I don't think the Windsors will lose any sleep over it. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Leeder Date: 10 Apr 02 - 11:38 PM Fact is, though, the BQ are looking for excuses to disagree with the rest of the country. If it wasn't the word "subject", it'd have been something else. I disagree that they want to "be Canadian", except in the very old sense, when Canada was just Quebec. They want the rest of Canada to just go away. It's very anomalous that we have a political party in our federal government devoted to breaking up the country. Elsewhere in the world, it'd be treasonous. Maybe the fact that it happens here is one of our strengths, or maybe our tolerance is a weakness that'll lead to our downfall. However, I fear for the country less than I did a few years ago, as the BQ seem to have become more petty and marginalized. Case in point... |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 10 Apr 02 - 07:18 PM RichM, thanks for that link - very helpful to people like me who know little about politics within Canada and Quebec. I agree totally with whoever said above that the language was needlessly offensive to the Quebecois. Indeed it seems to have been calculated to provoke confrontation. No need to have mentioned any god, and no need to have mentioned "subjects" - which causes deep ofence to many of us in the UK too. In this specific instance, I'm glad the Quebecois bloc didn't just roll over. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: GUEST,CraigS Date: 09 Apr 02 - 06:46 PM It is not a generally known fact that Great Britain does not legally have an official language; that the official language is therefore that of the English Court; and that the language of the English Court is French. When Her Majesty the Queen visits Canada she speaks French, and has been filmed doing so with Pierre Trudeau and others. Considering that her lineage can be traced back to French royalty, The Quebecois and their monarch DO have something in common! I am not a monarchist, but I do think the French Canadians do seem to be going a long way to alienate their friends in a world where patriotic nationalism seems to be a logical step on the way to war, considering that they were sold out by one of a historically long succession of French governments. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: Dead Horse Date: 09 Apr 02 - 05:46 PM I suggest you guys throw all the *French* out of Canada, and send 'em all down south. Then, in about 100 years or so, we can all enjoy a great new sound & dance style, and a fabulous mode of cookery etc. Rejoice that you have an ethnic diversity, and are not slavishly devoted to "The Mother Country". Of course, when some froggie big-wig kicks the bucket, you can always get even by having a party in the streets of Ontario...... |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: gnu Date: 09 Apr 02 - 01:36 PM Ya knoooow, much as I "dislike" some of the the PQ policies, it was not necessary to use "subjects" in place of "citizens". I believe the wording was intended to stir up shit and also that those who chose the wording are as much to blame as the PQ for the esuing shitstorm. I mean really, even the Brits didn't use the term "subjects" in their letter of condolence from Parliament. BTW, there was never any doubt that Jean would be there. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: GUEST,Geordie Date: 09 Apr 02 - 01:15 PM My point was that they seem only to want to be called "Canadian" when it suits them. For years they have denied being Canadian now they want the motion to say Canadian..I don't understand these petty people at all. What is it they want..they never objected to being Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. That is all I was trying to say. Surely the nation can send condolences without these self absorbed Bloc heads objecting. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: RichM Date: 09 Apr 02 - 01:06 PM For those interested in what this is about,click here! |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: GUEST Date: 09 Apr 02 - 01:05 PM Semantics.. they also lay claim to most of Labrador and the Cree lands in the north. When told they would have to consider seperation from Canada with pre Confederation borders they pouted and said "not fair" bunch of fuckwits. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: RichM Date: 09 Apr 02 - 01:02 PM The government proposal was worded as "subjects of the queen" rather than "citizens of Canada"...
That's what the Bloc objected to. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: GUEST Date: 09 Apr 02 - 12:49 PM Yea; Ontario |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: sophocleese Date: 09 Apr 02 - 12:36 PM I thought Chretien, the Prime Minister of Canada was going to be there or send word. Apparently a racetrack owner from Toronto area was also invited to the funeral. So I think some parts of Canada will be represented. |
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Subject: RE: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: MMario Date: 09 Apr 02 - 10:14 AM According to the news reports over 50 contries are represented at the funeral services - I would think it only polite to send condolences - whether Canadian, Brazilian, or Martian. |
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Subject: Bloc quebecois votes gainst motion to se From: GUEST,Geordie Date: 09 Apr 02 - 10:11 AM The bloc quebecois voted against a motion to send condolences and sympathy to the Royal Family. This they do because they want to Be "Canadians" I really am sick to death of the pettiness of some politicians in this country. The Bloc has denied being Canadian for years..now they are suddenly consum,ed with national Pride. Spae me. As for Svend Robinson.......what a boob. |
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