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Origins: Rich Man and the Poor Man / Hi Ro Jerum

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DIVERS AND LAZARUS
LAZARUS
LAZARUS
THE RICH MAN AND THE POOR MAN


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Subject: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: GUEST,Gill Moulding
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 07:17 AM

Another offshoot of the Lazarus song "There was an old man and he lived in Jerusalem" the chorus involves "glory hallelujah ho ro jerum" I would be gratefull for the words if any of you have them. Email me on ookbooks@yahoo.com or follow the thread. Thank you. Gill


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: Mr Happy
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 07:21 AM

sorry, don't kno the verses but the rest of the chorus goes, 'skinna me linky dooriam,skinna me linky dooriam,glory halleluia high rowjerum'

not much help i'm afraid.


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 08:32 AM

There are some lyrics for this is the DT, and these may be what you're looking for:

The rich man and the poor man

There's also been a discussion on this song:

Roy Roger Rum.

I hope this is useful. I've also heard a version with a few extra verses and slightly different words - one version sung by Len Graham and another version (I think) by the Voice Squad.


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: GUEST,Gill Moulding
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 11:36 AM

Thank you very much, that seems to be more or less the version I was remembering.


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: Mr Happy
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 09:12 PM

fib,

thanks ever so for 2x compleet sets o' words.

cheers,

mr g


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: Mr Happy
Date: 22 Aug 02 - 03:53 AM

btw,

what does it mean, 'hi rogerum'?

the whole song sounds like some sort of 'dog latin'

does anyone know?


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: Mr Happy
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 03:36 AM

fesh,

aslo all the verses end in 'ium'. sounds like latin.


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 04:01 AM

The way I first heard it was a little different. The story line was the same but the chorus and refrain was made a little easier for people to sing along to. Still doesn't make sense but at least the words are real(ish) ;-)

Hey Roger Rum, Hey Roger Rum
Skin of a Spanish Onion
Oh, what a funny 'un
Glory Hallelujah, Hey Roger Rum

There was also an additional first verse -

There were two Jews who both came from Jerusalem
Glory Hallelujah, Hey Roger Rum
One was rich while the other he was poorium
Glory Hallelujah, Hey Roger Rum

Cheers

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: GUEST,Gill Moulding
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 04:44 AM

someone told me that the Oldham Tinkers did a version of this and perhaps Rolf Harris! Anyone know if this is true?


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: Bernard
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 07:12 AM

Yes, the Tinkers did it - that is the version DtG was referring to. Dunno about Rolf, but it's highly likely - he's done everything else!

The first version I learned, some forty or more years ago, had chorus lines of 'Glory Hallelujah, horajarum' and 'Skinny-malinka-doodle-um' just to add more confusion.

The version I now sing is a cross between the Tinkers' version and the earlier one.

Apparently it's the story of Dives and Lazarus...


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: Mr Happy
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 07:22 AM

i'm not familiar with dives 'n lazarus story. can someone enlighten me?


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: IanC
Date: 23 Aug 02 - 08:00 AM

Here 'tis in DT.

Quite an old ballad based on the Bible story.

:-)
Ian


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Subject: RE: glory hallelujah hi ro jerum
From: GUEST,IWillWhisper
Date: 04 Oct 02 - 05:04 PM

Yes, it's based on Luke 16:19-31. :)
I encountered the song in Gordon Dickson's short story "Render Unto Caesar," in the book _Beyond the Dar Al-Harb_. I remember the chorus from when I was a child, though I couldn't recall any of the verses.


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Subject: Origins: Rich Man and the Poor Man / Hi Ho Jerum
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Oct 02 - 03:53 PM

It's an interesting song, and a lot of fun to sing. The version in the Digital Tradition is just about the same as what's in the Rise Up Singing Songbook and the People's Songbook, but both have second-last verses that are a bit different:
  • People's Songbook and Folksinger's Wordbook and Silverman's Folk Song Encyclopedia:
    The Devil said, "this is no hotelium,"
    "It's just a very common, very ordinary Hellium."
  • Rise Up Singing:
    He called for a whiskey and a soda to consolium
    But the Devil said, "Come and shovel on the coalium."
Here's the entry from the Traditional Ballad Index.
-Joe Offer-

Hi Ho Jerum

DESCRIPTION: "There was a rich man and he lived in Jerusalem, Glory hallelujah hi ro je-rum." The rich man rejects a request for help from a "human wreckium." The poor "wreckium" dies and goes to "Heavium"; the rich man ends up in "Hellium"
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: Early 1950s (recording, Sam Hinton)
LONG DESCRIPTION: Macaronic song with pseudo-Latin phrases, e.g. "The rich man died, but he didn't fare so wellium/He couldn't get to Heaven, so he had to go to Hellium." In some versions, it's a retelling of the Dives and Lazarus tale: the poor man at the rich man's gate asks for bread; the rich man calls a "policium"; when they die, the poor man goes to Heaven, the rich man goes to Hell. Chorus inevitably includes the line, "Glory Hallelujah, Hi-Ho-Jerum" or similar.
KEYWORDS: poverty humorous warning hardheartedness death begging Hell
FOUND IN: US
REFERENCES (4 citations):
Pankake-PHCFSB, p. 184, "There Was a Rich Man Who Lived in Jerusalem" (1 text, tune referenced)
Silber-FSWB, p. 25, "The Rich Man and the Poor Man" (1 text)
DT, RICHPOOR*
ADDITIONAL: _Sing Out_ magazine, Volume 33, #1 (1987), pp, 28-29, "Hi-Ho-Jerum" (1 text, 1 tune, as sung by Sam Hinton and learned from Dr. Norris Rakestraw)

Roud #4571
CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "Lazarus and the Rich Man" (theme)
cf. "Dives and Lazarus" [Child 56] (theme)
ALTERNATE TITLES:
Hi Ro Jerum
NOTES: This, obviously, is Jesus's parable of the rich man and Lazarus, with the names removed and a trace of feeble humor added. For background, see the other Lazarus songs. - RBW
This song has bawdy variants; I'm surprised they didn't turn up in Cray. - PJS
Last updated in version 2.4
File: FSWB025

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Subject: Origins: Rich Man and the Poor Man / Hi Ro Jerum
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Oct 02 - 04:26 PM

The Edith Fowke and Joe Glazer book, Songs of Work and Protest leaves out altogether the verse with the devil's statement. The notes in the book are interesting:
The Biblical parable of Dives and Lazarus has always been a favorite among working people. Dives, the rich man, had all he wanted on earth, while Lazarus, the poor man, begged for crumbs at his door. But when they died Lazarus "was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom," while the rich man, in Hell, begged for a drop of water to quench his burning thirst (Luke 16:19).
Many centuries ago the English peasants turned this story into a carol, and it has been handed down to our time. In 1557, Master John Wallye and Mistress Toye paid a license fee to the Company of Stationers for printing a "Ballad of the Ryche man and poor Lazarus," and one of Fletcher's plays printed in 1639 refers to the "merry ballad of Diverus and Lazarus." It appears in the great ballad collection of Francis James Child as Number 56.
The original carol followed the Bible story closely and was sung very seriously. Later the Negroes told the story in a spiritual:
Rich man Dives he lived so well,
When he died he found a home in hell;
Poor man Lazarus, poor as I,
When he died he had a home on high.
In more recent times the tale was re-told in a light-hearted vein and became popular among college students and community song groups. This modern parody of the ancient English carol was included in a songbook published by the Brookwood Labor College, one of the earliest American schools for workers, which was established in 1921 in Katonah, New York.


Oh, and here's an extra verse that shouldn't be missed:
    Thread #36264   Message #500076
    Posted By: Jacob B
    06-Jul-01 - 03:58 PM
    Thread Name: Lyr Req: Hi Rosherum
    Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Hi Rosherum
    The way I learned it, the verse went:

    The rich man died but he didn't fare so wellium
    He couldn't go to heaven so he had to go to hydrogen
    (spoken) There's a shortage of helium.
    Glory hallelujah ...


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Subject: RE: Variants of Dives and Lazarus
From: Bernard
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 07:36 AM

Going slightly 'off thread', there is a song based on the story of Dives and Lazarus which has a few variants. The one I use is this, which is a combination of two versions I know.

There were two Jews who lived up in Jerusalem
Glory Hallelujah, hora-jarum.
One was rich and t'other was a poor-ium
Glory Hallelujah, hora-jarum.

Chorus:
Hora-jarum, hora-jarum,
Skin 'im a Spanish onion
Oooh! What a funny 'un!
Glory Hallelujah, hora-jarum.

The poor Jew died, and he went up into heav'nium
Had his supper with the saints at a quarter to elev'nium

The rich Jew died, but he didn't fare so well-ium
He took a little journey all the way down to hell-ium

He asked Old Nick for a whisky and a sodium
The devil just said "Keep shovellin' on the coal-ium!"

The moral of this story is quite easy for to see-ium
If you want any more you can sing it for yoursel-ium


If anyone wants an abc or midi of the tune, just PM with your email.

There's a variant in the DT called 'The Rich Man and the Poor Man'. The tune isn't unlike the one I know, but is less 'jaunty'.


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Subject: RE: Variants of Dives and Lazarus
From: The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 01:28 PM

Or a last verse:
The moral of the story is that riches are no jokium
Glory.....
And we'll all go to heaven 'cos we're all stony brokium
Glory...

KYBTTS


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rich Man and the Poor Man / Hi Ro Jerum
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:15 AM

this is from the singing of Sean Cannon as heard at the Chester Folk Festival in 1986


The Rich Man and the Poor Man, Dives & Lazarus.

Now there was a rich man and he lived in Jerusalem
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum
And he lived all alone in a house big and spruce-ium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum

Hi-ro-je-rum, hi-ro-je-rum
Skinny-malinky-doorium
Skinny-maliny-doorium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum

At the end of his gate sat a human skinny-rickium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum
And her wore an old hat with the brim around his neck-ium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum

Chorus

Well the poor man asked for a bit of bread and cheese-ium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum
Said the rich man "scram, before I call the police-ium"
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum

Chorus

Now the poor man died and went straight up to heaven-ium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum
And he sat up with the angels til half-past eleven-ium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum

Chorus

When the rich man died, he didn't fare so well-ium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum
When the rich man died he went straight down to hell-ium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum

Chorus

The rich man asked for a glass of Pepsi-Col-ium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum
And the devil said "get busy and shovel on the coal-ium"
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum

Chorus

Now the moral of this story is that riches are no joke-ium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum
And we're all going to heaven cause we're all stoney-broke-ium
Glory, Hallelujah, hi-ro-je-rum

Chorus

Chorus.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rich Man and the Poor Man / Hi Ro Jerum
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Aug 17 - 05:23 AM

I'm looking for recordings of this song, particularly recordings available on YouTube. Can anybody find some and give me links?

All I can find is this one (click) by Dorothy Olsen, and I'm embarrassed to use it.

-Joe-


(the Dorothy Olsen link probably won't work in the U.K. - but you really don't want to hear it....)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rich Man and the Poor Man / Hi Ro Jerum
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Aug 17 - 11:56 AM

I grew up with the Sam Hinton recording. Brings back memories.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Rich Man and the Poor Man / Hi Ro Jerum
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Aug 17 - 12:06 PM

Well, here's Bob and Louise DeCormier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6dUdtP10h0


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