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DIVERS AND LAZARUS
LAZARUS
LAZARUS
THE RICH MAN AND THE POOR MAN


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Wolfgang 09 Jun 99 - 02:26 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: ROY ROGER UM
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 02:26 PM

see below my far from perfect transcription of this song from the South Roscommon singers circle CD. Please improcve my attempt.

Wolfgang

ROY ROGER UM

1. Now there was a rich man and his name it was Sabis-ee-um(?),
glory hallelujah, oh Roger um.
He wore a silk hat and his coat was very spruce(?)-ee-um,
glory hallelujah, oh Roger um.

Ch.: Oh, Roger um, oh, Roger um,
skillymalinkydoodelay, oh, Roger um.

2. Now this rich man who lived in Jerusal-ee-um
he (gave swelled in this to the ?) people of Jerusal-ee-um.

3. At the rich man's gate there lived a human wreck-ee-um
and to work he was not able-ee-um.

4. So he begged some crumbs from the rich man's table-ee-um,
but the rich man he did refuse-ee-um.

5. Now the poor man died and he went up to heaven-ee-um
and he boozed with the angels until half past eleven-ee-um.

6. And the rich man died but he didn't fare so well-ee-um,
for Old Nick cornered him and shooked him into Hell-ee-um.

7. Now the first thing he asked for was a little ale-ee-um,
but Old Nick told him it wasn't a hotel-ee-um.

8. And the next thing he asked for was a little chertruc-ee-um(?),
but Old Nick told him to ask it was no use-ee-um.

9. And the next thing he asked for was a whisky and a sod-ee-um,
but Old Nick told him to shovel on the coal-ee-um.

10. Now the moral of the story is, rich men go to Hell-ee-um,
but we won't go, for we'll all stony-brok-ee-um.


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um
From: Barbara
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 07:46 PM

I learned a version of this growing up, Wolfgang. And I don't remember the rich man's name. Zebedee maybe?
I do remember that the chorus went

Ho ry-chee rum, (2X)
Skittle-ma whack a doo jee ak,
Ho ry-chee rum.

And 'spruce' is right. It's a slang word for 'dapper', or 'natty'. People say 'he's all spruced up' when they mean dressed fancy. Sunday-go-to-meetin' dressed. Have I found one that works for you yet?

I didn't remember all the different drinks at the end in my Sunday School version, just that he shovelled coal-i-um. If it's a drink, it's chartreuse, if it's a cigar, it's a cheroot.

I'll bet somebody knows who the rich man was.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um
From: Martin _Ryan
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 08:27 PM

This song was collected from Irish travellers/tinkers. It's a version of "Dives and Lazarus". I'll have a listen to Pauline's version and try to make more sense of it - although, of course, the line-endings are not supposed to make sense, really!"

Regards


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 11:04 PM

The version I've known forever is in the DT. Look for The Rich Man and the Poor Man.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Jun 99 - 03:04 AM

I had thought of Dive(r)s and Lazarus, for the story is quite similar, but I hadn't found Rich man and poor man before posting. Obviously the same song, basically, with lots of differences.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um
From: Martin _Ryan
Date: 20 Sep 99 - 03:46 PM

Verse 2.2 : He gave swell dinners to the ....

6.2. : .... chucked him inot Hell...."

Regards


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Subject: Lyr Add: HEY ROGER RUM (from Oldham Tinkers)
From: Timbobbin
Date: 21 Sep 99 - 06:20 PM

There is a version of this song, I think recorded by the Oldham Tinkers.

As far as I remember it goes

HEY ROGER RUM (from Oldham Tinkers)

There were two Jews and they came from Jerusalem,
Glory Hallelujah hey roger rum
And one were rich and t'other were a pooriun
Glory Hallelujah hey roger rum,
Hey roger rum, hey roger rum,
Skin of a scaly onion,
Oh what a funny un,
Glory hallelujah hey roger rum

2. The poor Jew died and he went up to heavenium,
Had his supper with the saints at a quarter past elevenium

3. The rich Jew died and he didn't fare so wellium,
Took a little journey all the way down to hellium,

4. He asked owd Nick for a whisky and a sodium,
But owd Nick tow'd him to shovel on the coalium

5. To this story that's all the scriptures tellium,
So if you want any more you'll have to sing it for yoursellium.

I especially enjoy the line about whisky and sodium, what else would you expect to drink in hell?

If anyone has the chords for this song I would love to get them.


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um
From: Art Thieme
Date: 22 Sep 99 - 12:51 PM

Sam Hinton sang it "Hi-ro-jurum"...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Hi Rosherum
From: Jacob B
Date: 06 Jul 01 - 03:58 PM

The way I learned it, the verse went:

The rich man died but he didn't fare so wellium
He couldn't go to heaven so he had to go to hydrogen
(spoken) There's a shortage of helium.
Glory hallelujah ...


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um
From: GUEST,Marina Bokelman
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 05:53 PM

Dear Art Thiemme
Your mention of Sam Hinton's chorus makes me wonder if you have all the verses to his version. I've remembered most of them but have dropped a few.   My version has the last verse

Now all unbelievers will go down beneatheum
Where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teetheium

I keep thinking there is a penultimate verse. Do you happen to know the whole Sam Hinton Version? I would love to have it.

Also, in another thread you mention DK Wilgus, my old professor at UCLA. I wonder if we've ever chopped in the same cotton. You knew him?
Thanks to you and anyone who might the Sam Hinton version.


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 06:16 PM

Hi, Marina -
This Sam Hinton Discography says Sam Hinton recorded "Hi Ro Jerum" in 1956 on a Decca album titled Family Tree of Folk Songs.
Sam's Folkways recordings are available on CD, and Bear Family Records has a wonderful CD of his 1947 Library of Congress Recordings; and there's a terrific Sam Hinton CD called Master of the Solo Diatonic Harmonica. Unfortunately, none of the Decca recordings have been reissued.
I suspect that Adam Miller may sing Sam Hinton's version. Click here to find a full recording by Adam. Maybe Adam will drop by and post Sam's version. I'll contact him.


-Joe-


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um
From: Songbob
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 06:24 PM

I recall the last two lines as:

The moral of the story is that riches are no jokium;
We'll all go to Heaven, 'cause we are stony-brokium.

Bob


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um
From: MartinRyan
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 06:28 PM

Click here and check out Track 14 to hear the version that
Wolfgang transcribed all those years ago!

Regards


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Subject: ADD: Ho Ho Jerum (Sam Hinton Version)
From: autoharper
Date: 15 Dec 09 - 06:37 PM

I recorded this song on my "Along Came a Giant" CD. I learned the song from Sam Hinton (1917-2009).

HI HO JERUM

Well, long long ago in the days of Kafusalem
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum
There was a rich man lived in the town of Jerusalem
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum

Hi-ho-jerum, hi-hi-jerum
Dinky, dinky didlium, dinky, dinky didlium,
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum
There also was a man so sick and disable-ium
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum
And he picked up the crumbs at the rich man's table-ium
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum

But the rich man, he didn't fair so well-ium
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum
For the Devil came along and he took him down to helium
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum

The rich man asked for a whiskey an a sodium
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum
But the Devil said, "No, just shovel on more coal-ium
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum

He asked for a whiskey an a soda to consol-ium
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum
But the Devil said, "No, just shovel on the coal-ium!"
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum

So if you go to church and you put in your penny-um
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum
You'll go up and play the clarinet along with Father Abr-ium
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum

But all non-believers will go down beneath-ium
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum
And there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth-ium
Glory hallelujah, with a hi-hi-jerum

Sam explained:

I learned "Hi Ho Jerome" from the late Prof. Norris W. Rakestraw, an
oceanographic chemist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. Norris had learned it as an undergraduate at Stanford many, many years ago; I have no idea about where it came from or how old it is: all I know is that its macaronic nonsense syllables imitate the Latin that all college science students had to take up to the advent of World War II.

-Adam Miller


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um / Hi Ho Jerum
From: GUEST,Marina Bokelman
Date: 16 Dec 09 - 12:14 PM

yes! thank you. The Adam Miller/Hinton version had the verse I was looking for. many thanks
maruna


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um / Hi Ho Jerum
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 16 Dec 09 - 04:01 PM

I seem to recall seeing this song in "Song Fest," a late 1950's paperback full of college drinking songs, folk music, etc. One of my old coffee house friends performed it frequently in our local coffee house, circa 1959-60.


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um / Hi Ho Jerum
From: The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 16 Dec 09 - 05:56 PM

and another one...

There was an old man and he lived in Jerusalem,
Glory hallelujah, hiro jerum,
He wore a top hat and he looked very sprucelum,
Glory hallelujah, hiro jerum.

Hiro jerum, Oh, hiro jerum,
Skillimarinkidoorium, skillimarinkidoorium,
Glory hallelujah, hiro jerum.

Now outside his gate there lived a human wreckelum,
Glory hallelujah, hiro jerum,
He wore an old hat with the brim around his neckelum,
Glory hallelujah, hiro jerum,

The poor man asked for a piece of bread and cheeselum,
The rich man answered, "I'm going to call the policelum"

The poor man died and his soul went to heavelum,
And he danced with the saints 'til quarter past elevelum,

And there he dwelt in Abraham's booselum,
Fraternising there with scores of other Jewselum,

The rich man died but he didn't do so wellelum,
He couldn't go to heaven so he had to go to hellelum,

The rich man asked for to have a consolelum,
But the devil just answered, "Shovel on the coalelum"

The moral of the story is that riches are no jokelum,
And we'll all go to heaven 'cause we're all stony brokelum…


KYBTTS


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um / Hi Ho Jerum
From: Joe_F
Date: 16 Dec 09 - 06:09 PM

I can't find this in _The New Song Fest_ under any of the likely titles or first lines, but it may well be there.

In the version I remember, the rich man asks for "a whiskey and a sodium" (a hellish drink indeed!), and

    The devil said, "This is no hotellium,
    Nothing but a common old ordinary hellium."


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um / Hi Ho Jerum
From: Mr Happy
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 09:35 AM

In the version I do, the rich man asks for "a bottle o' coca colium"


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um / Hi Ho Jerum
From: Mr Happy
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 10:48 AM

Above, someone posted this 1st line:

'Well, long long ago in the days of Kafusalem'


Anyone a clue who/what 'Kafusalem' means?


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um / Hi Ho Jerum
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 10 - 06:05 PM

I once heard Sean Cannon of The Dubliners sing this live, back in the early 80's snd I've been searching for the words ever since,now I finally found them here, many thank
DEsi C


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um / Hi Ho Jerum
From: The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 09:26 AM

At the risk of lowering the tone even further, the only Kafusalem I've encountered (in song, at least) appears in "The Harlot of Jerusalem".
KYBTTS


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um / Hi Ho Jerum
From: Young Buchan
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 09:37 AM

There used to be a much more political version which went:

There was a rich man and he lived in Detroitium
Glory hallelujah Hi ro jerum
All of his workers he did exploitium
Glory hallelujah Hi ro jerum
Hi ro jerum Hi ro jerum
Skinnermerinker doodle um Skinnermerinker doodle um
Glory hallelujah Hi ro jerum

The poor man asked for more but the boss he only saidium
'Get out of here you nasty little redium.'

The poor man very swiftly came to this conclusium
That if he wanted more he'd better join the Unium.

The moral of the story it isn't hard to tellium;
Let's all get together and kick the boss to Hellium.


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Subject: RE: ADD: Roy Roger Um / Hi Ho Jerum
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 10:01 AM

"The moral of this story is,
Riches are no jokium
We'll all go to Heaven
'Cause we're all stoney-brokium!
Hi-ro jerum! Hey, Hi-ro Jerum!
Skinnamalinky doodly-um
Skiinnamalinky goodly-up
Glory hallelujah, Hi-ro jerum!"

Dave Oesterreich


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