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Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter

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THE EARL OF MAR'S DAUGHTER


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Subject: Tune for The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: GUEST,Sharyn Dimmick, sharyn@usisp.com
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 12:26 AM

Does anyone know a traditional tune for Child 270, The Earl of Mar's Daughter? There isn't one in the short version of Bronson. A recording would do, or music notation for a tune.

Thanks, Sharyn


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Subject: RE: Tune for The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 12:43 AM

There's a tune for it in Christie's Traditional Ballad Airs of 1881, which I should think is also in the complete Bronson. I'll sort you a midi for it tomorrow (it's much too late at night just now). As is usual with Christie, the second strain may not be authentic; but you can use your own judgement on that.


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Subject: RE: Tune for The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: masato sakurai
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 12:49 AM

One tune is contained in Bronson's Traditional Tunes, vol. IV (p. 82), which is from W. Christie, Traditional Ballad Airs, II, 1881, p. 38.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 02:50 PM

Christie commented, "The Editor arranged this air from the way it was sung in Buchan". I don't have the relevant volume of Bronson, so can't quote him just now; as a general rule, though, he was suspicious of Christie's second strains, considering them to be mainly editorial. However that may be, here is the tune from Christie in abc format:

X:1
T:The Earl of Mar's Daughter
S:Traditional (Buchan); perhaps modified by Christie.
B:Christie's Traditional Ballad Airs, vol.II, 1881.
L:1/8
Q:100
M:2/4
K:F
F3/4G/4|Ac (d3/4c/4)(f3/4d/4)|(d/c/)(B/A/) {A}G(F3/4G/4)|Ac ~d(f3/4d/4)|{d}c2 z (c3/4B/4)|
w:It_ was in-till_ a_ plea_sant_ time, Up_on a sim-mer's_ day, The_
{B}A(G3/4A/4) c(G3/4A/4)|{G}FD C(F3/4G/4)|{B}A(G3/4A/4) c{A}(G3/4F/4)|F2 z (F3/4G/4)|
w:no-ble_ Earl of_ Mar's daugh-ter Went_ forth to_ sport and_ play. As_
{B}A(G/A/) c(G3/4A/4)|FD C(F3/4G/4)|A(G/A/) {A}c(B3/4A/4)|{A}G2 z (c3/4B/4)|
w:thus she did a-muse her-sell Be-low a green aik tree, There
{B}A(G3/4A/4) (c3/4A/4)(G3/4A/4)|(F/4A3/4)(D3/4C/4) C(F3/4G/4)|A(G3/4A/4) (c3/4B/4)(G3/4F/4)|F2 z|]
w:she did see a spright-ly doo Set on a tow'er sae hie.

The tempo setting is a guess; Christie specified Briskly. I've also made a midi, with the graces omitted for clarity. Until it gets to Mudcat Midis, it can be heard via the South Riding Folk Network site:

The Earl of Mar's Daughter (midi).


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 07:33 PM

I inadvertently pasted in an unfinished abc: the tune is ok, but the lyric wasn't set out right in the second half. Here it is again, with the required modifications:

X:1
T:The Earl of Mar's Daughter
S:Traditional (Buchan); perhaps modified by Christie.
B:Christie's Traditional Ballad Airs, vol.II, 1881.
Z:Child 270 Roud 3879
L:1/8
Q:100
M:2/4
K:F
F3/4G/4|Ac (d3/4c/4)(f3/4d/4)|(d/c/)(B/A/) {A}G(F3/4G/4)|Ac ~d(f3/4d/4)|{d}c2 z (c3/4B/4)|
w:It_ was in-till_ a_ plea_sant_ time, Up_on a sim-mer's_ day, The_
{B}A(G3/4A/4) c(G3/4A/4)|{G}FD C(F3/4G/4)|{B}A(G3/4A/4) c{A}(G3/4F/4)|F2 z (F3/4G/4)|
w:no-ble_ Earl of_ Mar's daugh-ter Went_ forth to_ sport and_ play. As_
{B}A(G/A/) c(G3/4A/4)|FD C(F3/4G/4)|A(G/A/) {A}c(B3/4A/4)|{A}G2 z (c3/4B/4)|
w:thus she_ did a_muse her-sell Be_low a_ green aik_ tree, There_
{B}A(G3/4A/4) (c3/4A/4)(G3/4A/4)|(F/4A3/4)(D3/4C/4) C(F3/4G/4)|A(G3/4A/4) (c3/4B/4)(G3/4F/4)|F2 z|]
w:she did_ see_ a_ spright_ly_ doo Set_ on a_ tow'r_ sae_ hie.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: GUEST,Sharyn Dimmick, sharyn@usisp.com
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 10:50 PM

Thanks everyone for the references.

I don't think I can use a Midi file -- I have a very ancient and cantankerous Mac that crashes at every opportunity and I don't have any way of listening to music online (no audio capability).That's why a cite to a recording would be ideal -- I could just go out and buy it

I've never seen ABC notation with numbers in it: could someone explain it please?

Thanks again


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Sorcha
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:00 PM

The numbers tell you how long the note is, in reference to the time sig and given note lenght. Do you have e mail? I could see if my program will translate it to notes, scan and e mail.....


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:11 PM

It's a precise form of the notation; the original is relatively complicated. If you go to ABC Convert-A-Matic and paste the revised abc above into the window you'll find there (remembering to remove the spaces that will appear at the beginning of all the lines but the first) you can generate a low-resolution jpg, or a much better pdf, of the staff notation for saving to your computer and/or printing.

I don't know of any recording of the ballad; the text in Child (quoted in the DT with some typos) is the only one ever published from tradition. Christie noted a tune, but without the words that went with it. It doesn't seem to have been terribly popular in the tradition or in the revival; the idea is nice but the telling isn't up to much. Child was not very impressed by it.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:17 PM

Almost forgot. I've also posted tune and text (proofread!) to folkinfo.org/. You can get printable staff notation there (png or pdf) without having to bother with pasting and so on at the other place.

Earl of Mar's Daughter, The


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:33 PM

The actual song entry is here.

re the abc question and numbers, as used in the above post, they represent fractions of the base (L:) unit. In the abc above, L is 1/8; the fisrt note is, F3/4, so we have 3/4 of an 1/8 note which is 3x3/32 note or 1 1/2 (ie a dotted) 1/16th note.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 12:03 AM

I got it converted and printed; it's in F with a bunch of accidentals, right? I got lots of flats and double flats.........is that right, or should I check folkorg?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 12:05 AM

Holy cow! Just checked the sheet music at Jon's....totally diff than what my program said! No double flats, no accidentals......oh well.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 12:26 AM

I've given up using my old abc conversion programs; most are now obsolete, as the standard for abc has been expanded a lot in the last few years. The online conversion routines are much more sophisticated and reliable. The staff output at Jon's site is exactly as given in the book it was transcribed from, except that I've omitted an unnecessary double bar line at the end of the first strain.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 12:33 AM

Looks like it's time to change abc programs; reccomendations?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 12:50 AM

Yep Sorcha, use John In Brisbane's Mudcat ABC guide thread. Will help there if I can /if you find you need personal reccomendations. None of my business here but I can't help feel this particular direction of discussion now its getting little extended would be more useful there (no offense, I hope :-) )

Jon


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: The Earl of Mar's Daughter
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 01:04 AM

And non taken from me, Jon. I'll do that.


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