BS: A Prediction

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 10:51 PM

Opps, wrong room.

Hey, whatz you all doing in here anyway?

Nevermind...

Bobert

(Hey, Bobert, wahddayathink them folks is doing in there. I mean did you see Doug with his pants....)

Shhhhhh...

(Well, Bobert, did ya' see Ms. Clinton and...)

Shhhhhhhhhh...

(Well, did ya' happen to notice that....


Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: NicoleC
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 10:44 PM

Her plan wasn't too hot. Of course, no one offered a counter-proposal. My point was that they were complaining about it before they even knew what it was.

Heck, they were complaining about her before she even hit the White House! Nancy Reagan was far more active in the government than Hillary was, yet no one ever made "Who Elected Nancy" bumoper stickers. Rosalynn rewrote Jimmy's speeches and sat in Cabinet meetings. Edith Wilson ran the west wing while Woodrow was laid up with a stroke, helped negotiate the League of Nations Treaty, and was praised in the media as a capable 'President.' Lady Bird Johnson pissed off people everywhere by trying to get women included in the Civil Rights Act, way ahead of her time. Eleanor, of course, is the started by which all First Ladies are judged.

The difference? Nancy dressed in those little suits and always acted so demure. Hillary never made any bones about her capabilities or intelligence or education, and folks *hated* her for it.

Hmmm... I'd vote for Nancy as President :)

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 09:56 PM

They were probably scared of the implications. I mean, what if they ended up like "Soviet Canuckistan" (Canada, in the words of an American talk show host recently), and actually had FREE medicare!

Yikes! Rampant socialism! Next step the kremlin... :-)

But I don't actually know the details of Hilary's plan...what exactly was she proposing, troll?

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Troll
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 09:23 PM

NicoleC, Hillary was and is reviled because she was and is a blatant liar with about as much respect and compassion for anyone who cannot further her agenda as I have for cockroaches. The same can be said for a lot of politicians but she set herself up for it. Her true colors came out with her "we are the President" statement.
Nearly all First Ladies take a certain amount of flak but the Clinton "Co-Presidency" guaranteed it.
If she had come up with a viable idea for universal health care, it would have stood a good chance of passage no matter who had suggested it. But as it stood, even the Democrats rejected it. As I understand it, the Dems along could no have passed it. Since the Reps were against it, all the Dems could have voted for it no matter how they really felt and have presented a united party front. The Reps could have been blamed for the loss.
Why didn't they do that? Why did so many Democrats vote against Hillary's Health Care Bill?

troll

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 09:02 PM

LOL! This stuff about Doug's ass...my God... The common vernacular in 21st century America is really something. This is the first civilization with so little class as to call a military victory "kicking ass". I think that the American population has some kind of anal fixation, that's what I think...

Nicole - I think you are dead right. A black president is far more likely than a female president at this point.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: NicoleC
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 08:51 PM

HG: I agree. And it's not likely to happen any time soon. But I can say that individual women can share the same traits as men. When dealing with people in positions of power, the common denominator seems to be politics and being a politician, not gender. Of course that may be because women in politics have to be able to act like men to get ahead, I don't know.

Doug: I think men are swell!

But in regard to my political views re: women (which is what I'm guessing you are refering to), I live in a society that is fundamentally hostile to women while patting itself on the back for being so progressive. And even though most individuals I encounter are not overtly or consciously sexist, when placed in groups both men and women play out roles in which are inherently prejudicial to women.

For example, it would be unthinkable for drugs that treat prostate problems to be excluded from health plans, yet many plans don't cover HRT or birth control pills. They'll charge a woman between 20-40 twice the rate for health insurance because she could have a baby, and they'll pay for $40,000 worth of maternity care... but not cover common birth control methods. A woman who is pregnant will be denied medical coverage, but the man who got her pregnant will not.

Now, I could go on about THAT subject for a long time... maybe another thread. But to come back to politics and women in positions of powers --

Hillary was reviled because she dared have an opinion -- First Ladies always pick a "cause." If she had picked some safe, female cause like teaching kids to read, no one would have accused her of interfering in government. Instead, she picked a thorny, critical issue like health care and was taking insults before she made her first proposal.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Troll
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 08:40 PM

BTW, Mention Mudcat and get a 10% discount.
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troll

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Troll
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 08:35 PM

Yup. Dial 1-800-Ass-Kiss. Ask for the Bun-Lip operator.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 07:24 PM

Are you going to sell tickets to the great ass kissing?

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: DougR
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 05:09 PM

Harp Girl: Surely you must have me confused with Bobert. My ass ain't bony. Actually, I have been told I have great buns, and not by a guy either. :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Troll
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 09:26 AM

Harpgirl, re. Hillary and universal health care, her plan was so screwed up that she couldn't even get her own party to approve it.
As the popular bumper sticker of the day said: "Who Elected Her?"

troll

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 08:14 AM

We though we were beginning to understand how your "politics" works, Earthlings, but now you confuse us again. Jeb got most of the votes, but he still gets elected? That wasn't how his brother did it, surely?

Steve, pp Vtese from planet Skarep

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: harpgirl
Date: 07 Nov 02 - 08:02 AM

Nick: The only way to test your hypothesis is for women to be equally represented in governments around the world by other women. Declaring they are just as "bad" as men is (y)our way of dodging the issue!

DougR: Like I said sweety, if your republican boys deliver the goods for any disaffected groups (read:anyone but rich old white republicans and their trophy wives and the ones too expensive to get rid of)I'll lay a wet one on your wrinkled, bony, rich, white republican ass! Step up to the plate old boy!

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 11:54 PM

Nicole: a personal question that you do not have to answer of course: do you not like men?

Harpgirl, I'm a bit particular who I allow to kiss my ass, particularly if they are Democrats, but I'll make an exception with you. Okay, you have my permission. :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: NicoleC
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 11:27 PM

Prediction: We will have a black President before a female one.

Harpgirl, I disagree. There are a few. I have two veteran female Senators of one of the most populous and richest states in the country, and neither one has a husband in politics.

The wives just get more press.

Bobert, I have a plan for you. We'll make it illegal for men to vote, be lawyers, hold public office, and in most cases aren't entitled to public education. We'll keep you around to clean the house and for reproductive services.

Sound crazy? 100 years ago, that was the way it was for women. I don't seriously think a female government would be much better -- women can be just as greedy, power-hungry and backstabbing as men -- but I doubt women would do any worse!

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 10:32 PM

Well, danged, Iz ready fir a woman Prez. Then we men could spend more time doing what men do best: ahhhh, drenkin', scratchin', arguin' about football and fightin'. Might a' fact, you all just take over the whole danged thing, while you're at it. Ya can't screw it no worser than we've managed to screw it up, thank you.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: harpgirl
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 10:15 PM

I disagree with you Nicole. The quickest way to the top for women in this country, with power ambitions, is still on their husbands' coattails. There aren't any more powerful women in American politics who have gone it alone...hg

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:52 PM

Well, I hope you get the second part of the double, kendall.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Tweed
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:51 PM

I apologize darlin' NicoleC, I'm not my usual self today. And you are completely correct in objecting to that remark.
Yerz,
Tweed

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: NicoleC
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:48 PM

LH, you may have a point. On the other hand, I think HC is savvy enough to see through that -- she may still choose to run under those circumstances, but I would doubt she'd be fooled.

Tweed, if your prediction comes true, I may have a lot easier time convincing Californians that we need to and can manage to secede. At the moment though, the benefits outweigh the damages.

I do, however, object the phrase "real candidate" when used in reference to only Dems and Repubs. :)

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Tweed
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:35 PM

Here's my prediction...
During the next six years, "W" will have attacked Iraq, there will be terrible civilian losses, ordinary Muslims will go crazy with hatred of things American, there will be more bombings in the US, companies will be unable to afford terrorist insurance (required by law to have by this time)jobs will be hard to keep and find, I will be 56 and living under a bridge, my 401K plan having gone into negative numbers three years earlier. The Green Party (rumoured to be a Republican invention, see story in the Washington Post,October 30, 2008) will have syphoned off votes from real candidates again during the 2008 election and President Neal Bush will take the oath, and spend what's left of Social Security on wild cocaine and sex parties in the partially bombed out White House.
Happy days are here again!

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:30 PM

Unfortunately, you won't see that as long as the "old boys" club continues running the show. In Canada we had the experience of a female leader in the Conservative Party once...on an occasion when that party (which was still clinging to power) had not a chance in hell of winning the next election.

She was a sacrificial lamb. Pure and simple. They will nominate a female for the top spot, if they figure they most likely can't win anway. The Old Boys don't want one of their own to go down in the fray if they can possibly avoid it...

What worries me in Hilary's case is that the Democrats might run her under precisely those kind of circumstances. If, on the other hand, the Republicans really screw up and lose popular support in the next 2 years, the Democrats would be more likely to do the usual thing, and run a male candidate for president.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: NicoleC
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:22 PM

Two ladies who, despite their own qualifications, are running on the coattails of their husbands because there isn't a chance in hell they'd have their current positions without their husbands?

*sigh* I'm not sure that would be a step forward for women.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: harpgirl
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:08 PM

I would like to see a race between Hillary and Elizabeth Dole, as soon as possible, for president. But first let's see what Liz does in Congress.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:05 PM

Y'know, it's a real act of faith to believe that the key people in your chosen party are all good, and the key people in the opposing party are all liars, fools, jerks, scoundrels, etc... Never fails to amaze me how people can perform such a fatuous act of faith.

It's kind of touching, really. Sort of like believing in Santa Claus and the Grinch...or Jehovah and Satan.

Party politics is an organized religion. And...it's civil warfare without the guns and bombs. As we all know, the first casualty in war is the Truth.

The biggest obstacle in Hilary's way to becoming president would be her gender. I think it's virtually inconceivable that the American public would vote in a woman as president...yet. In this respect, America lags behind much of the world. Even some predominantly Islamic countries have had a female head of state! Yet in the USA it remains very, very unlikely to this day.

Such is the power of tradition and habitual thought patterns. We are far from achieving true equality, but we keep moving hesitantly forward.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 08:00 PM

If it becomes a choice between Lizzie and Hillary, even I would change parties. Ole Bill is amoral; in my opinion, Hillary is downright dishonest and lied for him at every opportunity beyond the usual politics.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: NicoleC
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 07:52 PM

Compared to Bill, I think Hillary would make a better President. Since I'm not a fan of Bill, that's not saying much, but she does have the brains and toughness to handle the task. I'd rather Hillary have to set a good track record in the Senate before making a run, though, so potential voters can suss out what she might be like instead of just being "Bill's wife." I think equating Bill's politics with Hillary's might be a serious error.

There is a certain reluctance in me to send a former First Lady to the White House. It doesn't violate the letter of the law when it comes to term limits, but it certainly violates the spirit.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: harpgirl
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 07:47 PM

don't laugh, Kim...if women could really do that we wouldn't be doomed to all die of AIDS! At least Hillary had the foresight to see how much Americans need universal health care!

I'll kiss DougR's ass if the Republicans solve our health care coverage and costs problems! Not to mention the worldwide AIDS scourge. Oh wait, DougR's Republicans are going to make men stop raping women all over the world! Yeah right!

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: kendall
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 07:40 PM

Another prediction. Hillary will not run, and if she did, she would be roundly trounced. If my party nominates her, I will become an independent.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Kim C
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 07:29 PM

Kendall, there's plenty of women Captains in the Army, and at least one General! ;-)

Don't underestimate the power of a woman in a corner. Especially one who's defending her children.

Women leaders would probably do away with war - but replace it with something worse. Like, No Sex. heheheheh (hey, don't laugh, it worked for those women in Turkey who wanted plumbing in their village!)

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 03:23 PM

Still a valid warning.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: NicoleC
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 02:25 PM

At this point, Hillary is really the only remotely viable Dem candidate for 2004. The pickings are slim.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 02:10 PM

Troll, you may prove to be a better fortune teller than Kendall was when he predicted the Republican take-over. I have no doubt Hillary will respond to the groundswell of support she will receive to run in 2004. Frankly, I hope she does. There is no one I would rather see Bush defeat more than Hillary (unless its Daschle, Lieberman, Hart, McGovern, Bobert, or Ted Kennedy.)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Troll
Date: 06 Nov 02 - 05:16 AM

Jeb won Florida. The NDC hasn't filed any protests as yet but the night is still young.
You can bet that Hillary will run even though she promised the voters of New York she wouldn't. It will suddenly be announced that she and Bill have been on a "listening tour" and that the people of the US WANT her to run. How do I know this?
Because that's what they did when Bill ran for President after promising the people of Arkansas that he would serve his FULL TERM as Governor. And that's what they did when Hillary "suddenly" changed her mind about running for the Senate in N.Y.
Look for it to happen again.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: DougR
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 10:21 PM

Hillary in 2004? 2008? Libby Dole just won the senate seat held by Jessie Helms. A new star on the horizon! I wouldn't count on Bill doing funny things in the oval office in 2004 or 2008 just yet! :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 10:14 PM

What, Kendall, you're not talkin'...ahhhh...fuzzy thinkin', are you?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: kendall
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 09:48 PM

GO HILLARY!!

McBride blew it. It was his to lose, and he did it. Jeb destroyed him in the debate because he didn't make up a bunch of crap to confuse the voters. He should take lessons from the republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 09:43 PM

Gahhh! You really know how to chill the blood of both liberals and free leftist radicals, Doug! The only way I can respond to that is once again to suggest that you imagine Hilary as President in 2004 or 2008.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: DougR
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 09:19 PM

Well, it's a bit too early to predict yet, but it appears there is going to be very little change at this point.

Uh, Jeb Bush is projected a winner in Florida, though, as is the former much admired Secretary of State in Florida. I really thought they would have a much more difficult time of it, but then the competition ...well, I guess I shouldn't have worried.

I'm glad Jeb won because when George retires to his ranch in Crawford, Jeb can take over in Washington! :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 07:35 PM

(yes...I KNOW 'psychic' ain't the same as 'precognition'...still...)

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 07:34 PM

wow, SINSULL, those are predictions to die for.....no, wait...to LIVE for....if they all work, you get my vote to be hostess of Psychic Friends Network!

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 06:56 PM

I predict that Kendall will get his voice back and WOW us at the 2003 Getaway. I predict that the Patons will win the Lottery and flood the CD market with GREAT MUSIC! I predict that Mudcat will be cancer free forever. I predict that Max, courtesy of the Patons, will move into a fifteen room mansion and finally get loki out of the dining room. I predict that by midnight Friday, most of us will forget who won what election and watch network TV relatively ad-free once again. I sound like Orson Welles at the end of "The Robe". Anymore predictions? If Kendall can troll his own thread, I can misdirect it...slightly.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: DougR
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 12:47 AM

Kendall, if the latest CNN/New York Times poll is correct, you may well be right. Evidently the Republicans have a very good chance of retaining a majority in the House of Representatives, and a fair chance of regaining the majority in the Senate. If that happens, Kendall, I will personally crown you, "The Prophet, he who knows the future!"

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: DougR
Date: 03 Nov 02 - 04:22 PM

Sinsull: I believe he has always been a Republican, and he will be a great Secretary of State in 2004.

Don: Nobody listened to Eisenhower? You crazy man! Every liberal in the country heard him when he made that remark, and they sure haven't let anybody forget it. I have heard, though I cannot confirm it, that many a liberal has gone to his/her grave with the words "Don't trust the Industrial Complex" engraved on their foreheads. :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: leprechaun
Date: 03 Nov 02 - 03:24 AM

No, Little Hawk. I won't even shoot at the branch-antlered bull elk. I have a cow tag. I hope it snows, too. Easier to track 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 02 - 02:55 PM

The old wrap around buckled combat boots were brown

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Nov 02 - 02:49 PM

Oh, you heartless killer! :-) Just what I would have expected.

I have a prediction: We're going to get snow and freezing rain. Soon. It will be so bad, in fact, that you'll screw up your shot and miss the elk entirely.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: leprechaun
Date: 02 Nov 02 - 01:27 PM

Combat boots are black. My hunting boots are brown. My stocking cap is bright orange. I have a prediction. Two weeks from today a huge seven-point bull elk is going to step into a clearing thirty yards from me and stand broadside.

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Nov 02 - 01:03 PM

Well, Eisenhower was a Republican (sort of), and he's the one who warned about the military-industrial complex. Obviously, nobody much listened to him.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A Prediction
From: SINSULL
Date: 02 Nov 02 - 09:12 AM

Isn't he currently a Republican? I keep losing track.