BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 09:14 PM

Perhaps Peter, the power brokers in the US have become so cynical with regard to the electorate, that the only thing they believe is required of their political figureheads is that they be somewhat photogenic. Maybe that's why they seem to be positively disposed to movie actors, at least some actors can ad lib as well as memorize their lines.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 07:54 PM

UK reports of the press conference have been including a sequence in which Bush was struck speechless by a simple question. (What was his biggest mistake post 9-11, and what had he learned from it?) After a painfully long pause, he said he'd have had a better chance of dealing with the question if he'd had written notice of it. Then after a further, agonising pause, during which he seemed to forget even where he was, he said that a response might eventually come into his mind, but that right then there was no sign of it.

Incredibly, one BBC reporter said that such "candour" would probably play well with Bush's supporters! But surely there's a lesson to be learnt: that every Reagan should have a Nancy who can come to the rescue in those awkward moments.

A strange paradox, though, that such a strong nation can find itself led by such donkeys.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 07:23 PM

All in a good cause, though.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 07:14 PM

Going on 700 now...

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 01:01 PM

actual picture of the end of his speech last night http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushapplause.jpg

Subject: bush and iraq
From: GUEST,3erakie
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 11:16 AM

Bush has outdone him self. The good work he is been doing is realy paying off. He got oil tanks transferd for onlly $4 a piece, each day millions of it. He surtenly freed iraq and all iraqi people.
saved the world from terroristes that might have WMD's in their little houses. What can i say he is really good in his job.

And about the little problems in falluja you dont have to worry.
He got some more troops coming. Besides he got the (terrorists) in his hand. He got some helicopters and F16 spraying the citys with some fire. Destroying the medicine centry and some hospitalls in iraq should help, so the wounded terrorists die faster. Shuting down the falluja grave place, so the dead (terrorists) cant even rest in peace.
Having some troops put some toxic in the samara water supply, so the (terrorists) cant even drink healthy water anymore.

Man i dont know if i should sum up more of his good work.
As long as Operation Iraq Liberty (OIL) is in the house, its al good for bush and some others round here..

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,Tim D M
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 06:04 PM

I have been saying for a long time that a weapon of mass destruction can be found at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington D.C. All Bush has to do is look in a mirror.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Peace
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 05:22 PM

Doug is defending the President of his country--and I admire him for that. But Doug, Bush ain't givin' you much to work with.

What will matter is the next election. All elections seem important, and given the nature of democracy, I posit that all elections are important. To quote a friend of mine named Crooter, "You don't get to vote on the way things are. You already have." Just be extra careful with your vote this time 'round. It means lots to the US--and the rest of this planet.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:55 AM

"Had Clinton reacted to 9/11 the way Bush did, I would have supported him."

"I did not support Clinton when he lobbed the missle on the Aspirin factory. I still think he was "Wagging the Dog"".

Wow Doug, only about 18 hours between these two statements - agile mind you've got there.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: LoosanaJack
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:32 AM

The latest death count is almost 600. I propose that george bush move his whole family, up to and including his slutty assed daughters, to Eye-Rack and run for president there. OR, join the local army and fight for "his" country.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 03:06 AM

here is an exchange relating to clinton's "war on terror" activities from clarke's interview on tonight's MSNBC Hardball. it would seem that his activities were sincere according to clarke's read on it...

"MR. MATTHEWS:  Do you believe that Bill Clinton did his job as commander in chief with regard to the eight years you served under him in terms of preparing this terrorist attack?

MR. CLARKE:  Yeah, I do.

MR. MATTHEWS:  He did his job?  No complaints?

MR. CLARKE:  Oh, I have complaints.  I have a lot of complaints.

MR. MATTHEWS:  Let's hear them.

MR. CLARKE:  You want to begin with what he did do?

MR. MATTHEWS:  How about what he didn't do?  Let's get some balance here.

MR. CLARKE:  He did not, despite the fact that it seemed pretty obvious to me, order the bombing of the camps in Afghanistan, except once.  Now, when he did it the once, there was a huge uproar of Wag the Dog, and—

MR. MATTHEWS:  Sure.  Because he was involved with the whole Monica mess at that point in time.

MR. CLARKE:  And, and, and because of that, I think he may have been reluctant to do what he did.  But he said he would do it again if we got good intelligence about—

MR. MATTHEWS:  What about the Predator pictures we had of bin Laden down there in those camps and—we've got movies of them, in fact, at NBC—and they show a guy that looked very much like bin Laden and we had him in the targets, almost like in a movie, and didn't hit him.  What do you make of the president's culpability there?  Clinton's?

MR. CLARKE:  Well, the president's culpability is zero.  The CIA's culpability is huge.  The CIA required as a condition of doing that deployment in October 2000 that there be no weapon—no hit plan associated with it, because they wanted it to be an experiment and they didn't want to have to make decisions about command and control.  We could have had submarines off the coast waiting for the Predator video.  But CIA insisted that this just be an experiment to see if the Predator could find him."

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: dianavan
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 02:23 AM

...or what Bush is the dog waggin' about, anyway.

d

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,Jim McCallan
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 06:21 PM

What dog is Bush wagging in Iraq, then, Doug?

Jim

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: DougR
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 06:04 PM

Carol C, TIA, nope, I did not support Clinton when he lobbed the missle on the Aspirin factory. I still think he was "Wagging the Dog."

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Peace
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 02:28 PM

Kim C: Do you really like President Bush?

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 02:04 PM

Interesting link Kim C,

On WMD, just out of curiousity, it would be interesting to know what folks expect they are looking for, in terms of size, weight and volume.

If you take the figures given by UNSCOM and the Iraqi's themselves as the basis, I think people would be quite surprised how small it is. Then remember that Saddam Hussein and his regime, who were past-masters at concealment and deception, had the best part of eight months to hide them.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Bagpuss
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 01:56 PM

The "uncounted" Iraqi dead:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 01:48 PM

Not necessarily WMD's, but they were hiding something:

War Planes in the Sand

The President made a stupid, ill-advised comment, probably in an ill-conceived attempt to find some humor in a humorless situation.

Everyone who's never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, please raise your hand.

That's what I thought.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 03:16 PM

well, I can see there are a few differences about what "go after them and eliminate them" should involve....golly, Doug- with that kind of logic, a few of OUR well-placed WMDs could solve all the problems, huh?

I tried, with the 4 year old metaphor, to make the point that everyone can agree that hunting down and eliminating terrorists is a good idea, but that selectively invading countries just because we sorta vaguely suspect them and the head honcho is a baddie is NOT the way to do it.

Saddam was a nasty fellow, but so are 10-12 others in countries who like seeing Americans suffer...how many of those countries are we gonna invade? And how much are YOU willing to spend to do it? And----do you really believe that we CAN "go after them and eliminate them" this way, when every attack just turns more Muslims into willing terrorists? We are not fighting an old fashioned war where the enemy is in uniform and operating from known bases! Bill Clinton at least knew THAT much!

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 02:47 PM

So, DougR, when Clinton responded to one of the terror attacks that occurred during his presidency by bombing sites in the country where the terrorists had their training camps, and he was accused of doing this to divert attention away from the Monica Lewinsky thing (remember - "Wag the Dog"?), did you support what Clinton did, or did you go along with the people who were criticizing him?

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 02:30 PM

"Had Clinton reacted to 9/11 the way Bush did, I would have supported him"

Bullsh*t! Your lines come straight from Rush and Sean, and I've been a regular listener for many years. Please give me a citation for a single republican or conservative or otherwise Clinton opponent who, at the time he bombed Afghanistan and the Sudan said "that wasn't enough, we need to invade to eliminate terrorists!" Nope, sorry, all we heard was "wag the dog, wag the dog, wag the dog".

No offense, it's not just you, but there's a whole lot of support for party over principle going on.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 02:20 PM

Well just to get this quite straight, Doug, the terrorists who attacked us were evidently a whole different kettle of terrorists than the ones we attacked. The connections between Hussein and 9-11 are nebulous at best, and certainly nowhere near enough to justify the deployment of millions of dollars worth of brute force. But we dove in, because we couldn't find anyone else to attack, having already bombed the bejeeze out of Afghanistan but apparently not with the success we hoped for - meaning an impact on the al Qeda network. Well, maybe we did unsettle them, I don't know.

Kerry has proven he understands the use of force.

Bush, as far as I can see, has proven that he does not.

A

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: DougR
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 02:11 PM

Nope, Amos, no re-thinking required. The only way to defeat terrorists is to go after them and eleminate them. We've gone down this road many times on the Mudcat, Amos. Nothing new. Had Clinton reacted to 9/11 the way Bush did, I would have supported him.

Terrorism cannot be defeated by talking, begging, reasoning, or placating them. If anyone has a better suggestion for dealing with terrorists than elimination, I'd like to hear it.

Will innocent people be killed in the process? Unfortunately yes. The terrorist attacked us ...not we them. They declared war on us ...not we them.

If Kerry is elected, it will be the most disastrous thing to happen to the U. S. in it's history. Kerry will revert to the old democrat (read Clinton) soft approach to terrorism and that's the exact opposite of what should be done.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 12:52 AM

What -- commit murder? Makes ya proud, huh? Geeze Dougie -- shouldn't we re-think this one?

A

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: DougR
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 12:45 AM

Nope, you're wrong, Bill D. Had Bill Clinton done what Bush has done, I would have applauded him. I am critical of him because he didn't!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 12:29 AM

Excerpt"

Brit Hume, a conservative news anchor on the right-wing Fox News Channel, continued his staunch support for the Republican Party when he told critics of President Bush--including families of American soldiers killed in his Iraq war--to "just get over it", on the 28 March 2004 edition of Fox News Sunday.


When asked on-air about the criticism Bush had received, from Democrats and families of American soldiers killed in Iraq, concerning jokes about non-existent WMD during a White House event, Mr. Hume unsurprisingly defended Bush, calling his harshly-criticized jokes a "good-natured performance".


Mr. Hume then said of those critical of Bush's WMD jokes, including families of American soldiers killed on the premise that such weapons existed, that "you have to feel like saying to people, 'Just get over it'."

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 12:20 AM

and concerning your "just get over it" remark, check out this article about brit hume's similar remark on sunday which includes, according to him, not just oversensitive people seeking "victim status" by their claims of being offended but also the families of the dead.

http://www.counterbias.com/news004.html

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 12:12 AM

"It was a joke. It was a lousy, unfunny, bad taste joke. Get over it. It wasn't a joke about the dead, it was a poor joke about the WMDs."

yes it was a pathetic joke. and it WAS about the dead (yanks and iraqi) because the people died due in large part to this prick's lies and misrepresentations about WMDs. and you're correct in that he should be kicked out of office due to many more serious wrongs. the only reason this is being talked about is 1.) this a chat forum and all people here do is talk about stuff (duh!) and 2.) it is a blazingly pure example of thr ignorance, insensitivity, cruelty, and heartlessness of the scum that currently floats on the top levels of our government.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 10:16 PM

Yes R. All Yanks. In other threads I have made my opinion clear. Bush is responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as for the deaths and maimings of military personnel on both sides - also innocent in my view. They were placed in jeopardy under false pretences. I will be sure to see to it that the "asshole" is made aware of your objections. He is, as I said, my nephew and I am extremely proud of his accomplishments as a writer and as an insightful observer of human behavior.

It is not necesaary to rant or say "fuck" to get my attention. I would probably give your opinions more credence had you not.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Raedwulf
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 09:47 PM

good GRIEF!? Good Grief! is the display of personal biases evident in responses to this thread.

I'll say this again. I don't like Bush. He's an idiot at best, & this was in poor taste. So what? If you expect your president to be better than human, you're as dumb as he is & you've got the president you deserve. I have seen no evidence that he joked about the dead. He went "looking" for the WMD's that everyone's been getting on his back about for months on end. It was a joke. It was a lousy, unfunny, bad taste joke. Get over it. It wasn't a joke about the dead, it was a poor joke about the WMDs.

I think Bush is an idiot (did I already say that?), I won't attribute deliberate disregard & insensitivity to the man on the basis of this flimsy evidence. I can imagine that he does actually feel quite bad about all the US dead (Hey, SINS, nice piece of emotive journalism you quote there, BTW, all those names... Yank ain't they? I'm more concerned by the fact that the majority of UK deaths in the war 'proper' were caused by one Yank tosser on a jolly in an A10 who never seems to have been charged with anything. Great journalism, fucking lousy Truth - some other asshole who's forgotten the rest of the world exists as something other than either a target or a market, hey...). But it seems to me that way to many of you who are so quick to condemn would be far worse Presidents even than the cock-up merchant that Bush is.

Someone handed you a hard decision that was guaranteed to involve people dying, & you wouldn't know which why to run to get out of it... Kick the man (preferably out of office) for something that he's done (like lying through his back teeth), but spare us the indignation over something this inconsequential. This is a stupid faux pas that his PR people should have prevented. It didn't involve figuratively or literally putting a gun to someone's head & pulling the trigger.

Go to town on him because he lied to you about WMD's, about the reasons for the war, or about the fact that he couldn't run a piss-up in a brewery, never mind a country (& that costs lives indirectly, far more than you've lost in Iraq), but FFS don't waste your time over what is literally a bad joke!

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 07:33 PM

""My main concern is I think he is taking the right approach to eleminating terriorism. Find 'em and exterminate them.""

good GRIEF!...if a 4 year old kid learns that cockroaches are bad, and you notice that he has grabbed a hammer, and is gleefully bashing every one he can find--even the ones on the dishes and on Mom's big toe....do you complement him and make damned excuses for him? Or do you set him down and forcefully make the point that there are ways to do this, and ways NOT to do it?

Never mind answering, Doug, I know how it is...if a Republican president is 'in', he can do no wrong. If it happened to be a stupid Democratic president who decided to pull this stunt in Iraq, we'd be hearing a slightly different version of the value of this "terrorist elemination technique".

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 04:22 PM

The deliberate extermination of humans who are not involved in waging war is called murder.

Not a nice word, considering how many citizens were gulled into waxing enthusiastic about it, but murder it was.

Who pulled that trigger?

Why, it was George, I think. Or Karl or Donnie.

A

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:59 PM

Problem with the way the administration is "finding 'em and exterminating them", for every one they exterminate, they create at least a dozen new ones.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Amergin
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:32 PM

To me it is akin to Richard Butler joking about the Holocaust...

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:26 PM

"My main concern is I think he is taking the right approach to eleminating terriorism. Find 'em and exterminate them."

My main concern is I think he isn't.

There are thousands of exterminated Iraqis & Afghanis who weren't terrorists. A lot of them weren't Saddamites, either.

Was it worth the exterminated Americans & other coalitiion members?

clint

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: DougR
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 01:57 PM

GUEST: Facts? The subject of this thread is the jokes Bush made at the Correspondence Dinner. It is a fact that he told them. It is a fact that some people disapprove of his telling them. It is a fact that some people don't disapprove. The poster ask for opinions, and he is getting them.

Whoever and all: no, I do not think the sun rises and sets on George W. Bush. Sure he has probably made mistakes. Who hasn't? My main concern is I think he is taking the right approach to eleminating terriorism. Find 'em and exterminate them.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: TIA
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 11:03 PM

DougR;

I believe I asked you this months ago - exactly how long does GWB get to look for the WMD? If, in 5 years they still haven't been found, will you still insist that they definitely exist, they just haven't been found yet.

I feel the same way about the tooth fairy, bigfoot, and leprechauns.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 08:17 PM

"As to the weapons of mass destruction, we ain't through looking for them yet!"

the american task force that was looking for WMDs is no longer making a serious effort to find anything and hasn't since before david kay's report. check your news sources on that one dougR.

"What's the point of agruing about it?"

there is no point in arguing. however, reasonable people can discuss an issue, make points, cite factual information, back up their assertions with reasoning, and accept others viewpoints during the discussion as truly held but subject to debate. the key words here are "reasoning" and "facts". think about it.

still waiting for your comment on the bush lie i quoted on the "popular views of the bush admin." thread. are you just going to skip it, thereby conceding it is indeed a documented bush lie?

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Damon
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 06:44 PM

Maybe giving the order to prevent airforce interceptions on 9/11 was overstepping the mark?

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 06:07 PM

Where would you draw the line, when it comes to Bush's behaviour, DougR?

Serious question.

Jim

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Peace
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 06:04 PM

Doug,

It WAS a bad thing to joke about.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: DougR
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 06:03 PM

What's the point of agruing about it? Those of you who are convinced it was a bad thing to joke about will never think otherwise.

As to the weapons of mass destruction, we ain't through looking for them yet! (I started to add a :>), but I don't want anyone to think I am insensitive.) :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 05:55 PM

My apologies to Teribus. That should have been addressed to _Strick_ and Doug.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 05:54 PM

Teribus hasn't been in this thread yet, clint....

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 05:39 PM

DougR & Teribus:

What I said was "If I had sent one man to death because of false information I gave I'd be filled with guilt and shame. I cannot imagine joking about it in front of their kin. And it's more than one; it's 500+ Americans & allies and thousands of uncounted Iraquis. "

You're not listening.

Doug, remember, Bush's little witticisms were broadcast and reported in the media. If a doctor prescribes the wrong drug and kills his patient do you think it'd be funny to joke about it to the victim's wife? Answer, please.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Metchosin
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 03:39 PM

Now if Clinton had looked under the table and said "Close, but no cigar," that would have been funny.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 03:34 PM

It would have been more appropriate if Bush had joked about himself being brain-dead.

d

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 03:08 PM

A light rinse will do lol whoa thats funny

Doug R. I know the National Correspondents dinner well, I have video tapes of the last 14 dinners and some were incredibly hilarious.

I even made the last Clinton video shown at the dinner available on ebay available at cost until C-Span or some or another whacko threatened to sue me.

Drew Carey was a hoot when he made fun of Cheney a couple years back.

**************************************************************
But at no dinner had any President EVER BEFORE made fun of a war scenario in which lives were lost.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=


I would be happy to make a couple DVD's available for of these dinners to people who are interested. I checked and C-Span is no longger selling the oldies.

Meanwhile I do not yet have the lastest Bush dinner.

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:54 PM

"What should keep you awake nights is that in the real America, we can make war so long as it's not us dying.
We're working hard to automate our weapons, to take American crews out of our planes and tanks and ships so that we can use them whenever we want. Once we're free of that burden, who will we decide to punish next, when will one of our politicians decide to "wag the dog" to get out of a problem at home? Be honest: do you think that only one American party thinks America is always right and should tell other people what they have to do? Only one party plays politics with war?"

in total agreement with you here, strick. no, both parties have played this wicked game at times. the guys doing it now seem to me to be playing with a lot more fiery situations than any other past admin dealt with. all the more reason to get them out. by the way, the first administration to use remote control war was not clinton (tho he did it too). it was bush the first in the gulf war.
also, on your other point you may note that my earlier post included american and iraqui dead references. i agree that it is evil to discount the innocent iraqui that have died in this sham.

dougR, please refer to my post of 27 Mar 04 - 09:16 PM for some reasoning as to why michael and others may feel a bit disgusted at GWB's hijinks. and you know, you still haven't responded to my documented bush lie over on the " popular views of the bush admin." thread. just don't want to admit that your boy can tell a lie or do you think the line i cited is just a joke too?

Subject: RE: BS: 500+ dead, Bush makes jokes
From: michaelr
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 01:49 PM

As the person who started and named this thread, I want to state clearly that I don't believe American lives are more valuable than Iraqui's. In fact, I may have more sympathy for an Iraqui civilian who finds himself in harm's way without a choice than I have for a US citizen who chooses to be part of the killing machine.

However, I expect the Resident to have no sympathy for those that are killed on his orders. I did not expect him to be so publicly callous about the sons and daughters of his constituency.

As to Doug R, I don't know him personally and so have no idea how "honorable" he is. I do know from reading his posts here that he is an unquestioning apologist for this regime. Nothing personal, Doug!

Cheers,
Michael