BS: What do you like about Kerry?

Subject: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 04 - 06:03 PM

Since no one wanted to start this thread, I thought I would. Without invoking Nader as the point of comparison, what do people REALLY think of Kerry?

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 03 May 04 - 06:10 PM

I think its a lovely place what with the famous ring and all. And the people are so welcoming to us foreigners. Its like we was neighbors they hadn't meet yet. And the music there is great. Some fine fiddlers in Kerry.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Peace
Date: 03 May 04 - 06:17 PM

The Emerald Isle certainly has charm.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 May 04 - 06:19 PM

Ummmm...hmmm.

Well...

Gee.

Well, he looked pretty cool in that picture with Jane Fonda, and he did protest against the Vietnam War.

And he isn't employing Karl Rove to manage his campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Amos
Date: 03 May 04 - 06:38 PM

He's a shoe-in -- smarter, kinder, more perceptive, more responsible and more coherent than anyone since Howard Dean...

A

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Amergin
Date: 03 May 04 - 06:57 PM

he's not bush.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 May 04 - 07:00 PM

I dont care what idiot rules this countree
   Im the last man on earth,
   Thats what the matter is with me.........
   

    Loudon Wainwright 111

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Bobert
Date: 03 May 04 - 07:37 PM

Not much at all and that's about the most positive think I can say about the guy.... Sorry

But like Amergin said, "He's not Bush."

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 May 04 - 07:55 PM

I like several things about John Kerry:

1) He's not George W. Bush
2) He's not Dick Cheney
3) He's not John Ashcroft
4) He's not Donald Rumsfeld
5) He's not Karl Rove
6) He's not Paul Wolfowitz
7) He's not Condoleezza Rice
8) He's not Joe Lieberman
9) He's not Jeb Bush

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 03 May 04 - 08:52 PM

True Amergin, Bob and Bee-Dubya.

He isn' at all like Bush or any of them others. But he could be if ya want him too.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 May 04 - 09:13 PM

He appears to have very bad breath.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 May 04 - 09:25 PM

Sadly, Bush is Bush whether you want him to be or not.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: michaelr
Date: 03 May 04 - 09:32 PM

Not much, and I really don't believe he'll be noticeably different than the current Resident.








But he's not Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Amergin
Date: 03 May 04 - 09:44 PM

I like how the Bush camp tries to paint Kerry as anti-worker because he was born into a well to do family....like Bush wasn't born with a silver head up his arse.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: dianavan
Date: 03 May 04 - 09:48 PM

Martin - You like Kerry because he appears to have bad breath?

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Amos
Date: 03 May 04 - 10:22 PM

He believes every Bush directive that favored special interests should be repealed; he believes the exit strategy for Iraq should be internationalization (turning to the UN) and victory, which I am sorry to say I see no other viable position for. He knows how to admit a mistake and he knows how to say that he sees favoritism and crooked politics right in front of his eyes. Personally I think he has more moral fiber in his large jaw than Bush has in his whole simpering body. Most of all, you should support Kerry for no other reason than that he is not stupid and is not blinded by rampant cronyism.

A

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: LadyJean
Date: 04 May 04 - 12:31 AM

He calls corporate leaders who outsource jobs "Benedict Arnold CEOS".
He's borrowed Dean's campaign style, which means he may have some idea that there are more ordinary Americans than millionaires, and that we vote.
He isn't kissing up to a bunch of religious maniacs.
He will send John Ashcroft home to Missouri.
He will send Dick Cheney home to Wyoming.
He will not tell us that God wants him to be president.
So, I don't really mind that John Kerry looks like Herman Munster had stayed in the tub too long, or that his wife probably calls Pittsburghers "Yinzers".

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 May 04 - 02:41 PM

Sen JFK is here in Minnesota today raising a million dollars and invoking the name Wellstone.

As if.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Deda
Date: 04 May 04 - 02:55 PM

I like that he usually wins his races, after starting from behind -- as he did among the dems. If he can just do that in November!

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 May 04 - 03:06 PM

Actually, dianavan no, I don't like him at all. He stinks at either end.

I'm not a big Bush fan either, but he does support Israel big time. Right now, it's that and Kerry is only the second most experienced candidate for president.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 May 04 - 03:53 PM

Kerry has the background I admire most. And he is not scared to change his mind and SAY SO when it is the hard thing to do. (That in these dumb times where one is called "wishy-washy" and a "flip-flopper" as a way of denigrating someone who has the knowledge and the strength to be flexible. I admire the man for being the soldier that he was. I admire the man for seeing the situation clearly in Viet Nam. And most of all, I admire him for joining the the anti-war side when the cause for which he was fighting showed itself for what it was----a failed and unthought out policy that was killing young people on both sides, polarizing the nation and creating the "police riot" (named that by the Otto Koerner Commission) that was the Chicago Democratic National Convention in 1968. I have hope. My hope is that John Kerry can take over and bring the eventual peace in the same way that Lincoln did----first as a soldier who knew the tragedy and sadness of war himself (the BLACKHAWK WAR of 1832), and then, as Commander and Chief, he was able to fight a war when necessary ---a war that brings two violently opposed groups together EVENTUALLY. Alas, the aftermath of that uncivil war is still with us--after 150 years.

I think and hope that John Kerry can rise to this occasion better than this George Bush has.

As for Israel, as an atheist and secular Jew myself, I see the wrongness of many of the violent actions and positions taken by THAT NATION'S GOVERNMENT even while the right of Israel to exist as a homeland for the Jewish people ought never to be entertained even as a topic of discussion. We owe that to the six million whose demise, dreams and pain brought the nation to fruition.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: DougR
Date: 04 May 04 - 04:05 PM

Well, uh, er, uh, (I'm really trying), er ...I guess the think I like best about him is his ability to flip-flop on so many issues.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 May 04 - 04:52 PM

Like a fish laying on the pier fresh out of the water.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Amos
Date: 04 May 04 - 05:09 PM

Better to flipflop than to commit the nation's resources to massive stupidity or criminality.

A

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: DougR
Date: 04 May 04 - 05:39 PM

Uh, Amos: you forgot to include IMO in your last post. :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 May 04 - 05:47 PM

Is it better to flip-flop?

Does it reflect that the man is confident in what he is doing? Personally, I like when a person has confidence in what he is doing.

If Bush is indicted for anything we can talk criminality. Until then, Amos, your interpretation of the law hardly matters.

Stupidity? The jury is out. The history books on this administration have not been written yet.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: DougR
Date: 04 May 04 - 06:19 PM

Uh, Martin, no, flip-flopping is not a virtue. I merely posted a bit of "tongue in cheeck."

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Amos
Date: 04 May 04 - 06:39 PM

I'm quite confident the phrase I used is applicable. And Martin, my opinion matters quite as much to me as yours does to you.

A

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 May 04 - 08:43 PM

What I said was that "flip-flop" is only a term used to try to destroy someone you differ with who has the strength to change their mind and act on the new information instead of bullheadedly sloshing forward. As Pete Seeger said so elloquently in his Viet Nam era song, doing that will prove terribly tragic when one is "Waist Deep In The Big Muddy---and the damned fool says to push on". ------ That is the only time I have ever heard Pete Seeger use an expletive. I suspect he felt it was needed to make his point as forcefully as was possible.

The bullhead, last time I looked, was a fish that had the wisdom to flip-flop contentedly back to deep water --- where the breathing was maybe easier and healthier.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: dianavan
Date: 04 May 04 - 08:45 PM

Amos - Your opinion counts to many of us as well. Can't say the same about Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 May 04 - 09:07 PM

mmm... appointing Saddam's right-hand men to lead us out of the troubles in Fallujah. yeah, that's brilliant. They're still wearing the friggin uniform!

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Amos
Date: 04 May 04 - 09:08 PM

Kindly said, DV, thanks. I am also aware that Martin is speaking sooth about the history books. But unlike the President, I have read history books. When I saw and later tried to understand McCarthyism, I tried to learn, just for example, that it was something that should never be allowed to recur. Rummy, Ashcroft, Wolf and Bush seem to be determined that it should. Kerry does not strike me as one of that herd.

A

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 May 04 - 09:44 PM

Well, I took the flip flop thing literally because it is so true.

Yes, Amos your opinion matters. So does mine. But unless you have a law degree and are well versed on government law, and can make something happen about what you theorize is criminal activity, a pimple on an ass has more meaning.

On the other hand, dianavan's feminist opinion to me is just pure bullshit. Bug up your ass, honey?

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Amos
Date: 04 May 04 - 09:54 PM

Aw, crap, Martin, now you're being rude to ladies. That's no way to be man!! Find something external to shoot at.

A

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 May 04 - 10:00 PM

Hey, Martin, don't forget...Hitler had confidence in what he was doing too. Nooooobody could change his mind once he took a position. Ditto for Stalin. It isn't necessarily a sign of good character or good judgement.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 May 04 - 10:06 PM

Amos, rude ladies are not ladies. They want to play in the arena, they get the same treatment. It's a tough world.


LH, you are right about Hitler and Stalin, but those guys weren't elected by their citizens, were they? They weren't part of a democracy that could throw you out of office while you were in office, were they?

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Amergin
Date: 04 May 04 - 10:11 PM

Bush wasn't elected either.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 May 04 - 10:13 PM

Amergin, quit whining. It's already three years later. Deal with life as it is.

I don't care if he doesn't get elected again. But if he does, I won't be whining about it YEARS later.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 04 May 04 - 10:29 PM

Comeon Martin, it reads like you are the one that is whining, not Amergin.   Amergin made a statement that seems to rub you the wrong way.    This country turned the other cheek when the election was stolen and we should not forget what happened. We sucked it up for the last few years and we should remember that lesson come election day in November.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 04 May 04 - 10:53 PM

That old scoundrel Adolf was elected...in 1933. He won the most votes in a democratic fashion. Then he changed the rules by creatin' a permanent "state of emergency" after the REichstag burnt down...only his people secretly burnt it! Ya gotta watch out for that sort of thing, even in a democracy. FDR got himself elected 4 times! He sorta bent the rules, cos there was a war on. Now, I was a supporter of FDR at the time, but I can still see that there was somethin' goin' on there that was a little bit outta the ordinary.

It happened before, and it could happen again...even in a democracy. All ya need is a guy at the top who's willin' to create or take advantage of a crisis...and a congress and media who are too weak ta stop him. It can happen.

They do it by focusin' people's fear on some "enemy"...either inside or outside the country.

The point is, a leader that's too stubborn ta change his mind could be one of two things:

a) a man of principle, who's not afraid to back down
b) a man who is too proud or insecure or fanatical ta ever admit he made a mistake

If it's the second, you got a big problem. Ya can't learn from your mistakes if you ain't never willin' to change your mind.

Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 May 04 - 11:24 PM

Bullshit, Chongo. Totally extreme. Comparing to Hitler's Germany is paranoid. And comparing today's situation to the FDR WWII era is silly. It's quite a different world now.

Ron, I'm not whining. He is, with a big boo hoo and comes off as a sore loser. We'll see if they remember on election day. I wasn't happy with the results either four years ago. The Supreme Court was involved though, remember. Changes did happen because of what happened in Florida. But Gore lost way too many other states, don't forget.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 04 May 04 - 11:32 PM

Yeah Martin? Tough guy eh? You'd look funny with a potatoe stuck in your big yap, bo. I ain't comparin' nothin' to Hitler, see? I'm sayin' that a leader who won't never change his mind is dangerous. On the other hand a guy who changes his mind every time the wind blows is also dangerous. It's a question of balance. Ya gotta find the balance between strength and flexibility. This guy Bush don't seem too flexible to me. And that's puttin' it mildly. He's got mental constipation. Maybe he's just followin' orders.

I ain't got no strong opinions about Kerry.

Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 May 04 - 11:36 PM

Do you have strong opinions about bananas?

How about body hair?

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 04 May 04 - 11:43 PM

Bananas? Yeah, I love 'em. Who doesn't? Body hair? The more the better, except on human dames. I am gettin' useta the fact that they got a whole different kind of beauty all their own. Nice gams too, I'd hafta say.

Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:30 AM

M.G.

Amergin is simply stating the fact that an American election was STOLEN on our watch (while we are alive). Taking note of that is not living in the past. It is not wining. It is being realistic. Voting with those things in mind is not living in the past eaither. It is taking the snap and running with the ball--hopefully for a score. Your using fowl nomenclature to denegrate valid points that have been made here by many astute observers is in no way enhancing your positions. Like Jimmy Stewart said in HARVEY, "You can be, oh, so clever, or you can be, oh, so pleasant. I recommend pleasant."----And so do I.

That said, I have told you I'd like to shake your hand. Right now, I think, I would much rather send you a right-on-the-mark cyber-kick in the balls. That must be our good old American wild west mentality coming out---as I've heard and learned lately from another thread. You, good sir, are our Bin Laden/Sadam as you have focused me on the possible need, sometimes, for adopting Bush's strategies.   **BIG SMILEY FACE**

Back to Hitler who is reported to have said something like, "The best thing about what we do is that we are forcing our adversaries to adopt our tactics."

Your style, sir, is nauseatingly apparent every time I inadvertantly land on a channel where the World Wrestling guys are doing what they do in spite of all logic.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 04 - 12:50 AM

He indicates that he will attempt to repeal tax breaks to companies that take decent manufacturing jobs offshore. He wants to introduce an element of fairness in the trade policies. He will quit treating our "partners" in foreign policy like poor relations. He doesn't favor unilateral actions in other countries. He understands what war is, the terrible cost, and would apply these values when weighing whether to use military force. He is willing to take a principled stand with regard to his private beliefs, as opposed to the public good, in the abortion issue with his church. He doesn't believe he is on a mission from God to save the rest of the world and change them into us.

More later,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: dianavan
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:09 AM

Martin - What was feminist about my remark? I think that there are plenty of men who have also tried to tell you that you sound more like a Nazi sympathizer than a Jew. Sorry; live your life as you choose but don't expect me to believe anything you say. You have even less credibility than Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 04 - 07:51 AM

What's wrong with feminist remarks? Feminists make them all the time.

There was a very interesting news story shown here in Minnesota yesterday on Kerry. Now, I already can't remember if Kerry was speaking here, it might have been New Mexico? Anyway, he was speaking to a group of terrorist NEA educators, and one actually terrorized him, which I enjoyed the fucking hell out of. She is an anti-war, anti-militarism mother of a soldier currently serving in Iraq. And her question to him was, why, when I as a mother, and I as a teacher, do everything in my power to educate children not to use violence to solve their problems, should we support you, when your stand on the Iraq war is the same as George Bush's?

I LOVE THIS WOMAN!!! She seriously kicked some ass in that "photo op".

Kerry gave his same old, same old lame ass "I've been to war, and I know..." crap response. He said "I would have executed this war differently than George Bush..." and you could even hear a few moans from the crowd when he said it.

Kerry is a loser. He is likely going to lose this election because he is a LOUSY presidential candidate for the Democrats, and deep down inside, every Democrat knows it, but is pretending like it isn't really true. The Democrats are grasping at straws, and trying to come up with some lie they can spin about how good Kerry would be for this country.

In other words, the Democrats have parked themselves in denial mode for the duration. Billions will be spent on the presidential election industry this year (just like they school testing industry makes billions off more and more school testing), and for no good fucking reason whatsoever.

And frankly, there were plenty of us union members who WON'T support Kerry BECAUSE of his stands on trade. How about Kerry comes up with a policy that says FUCK NAFTA AND GATT? How about Kerry gets on the right fucking side of the trade and globalization issues, instead of dancing with the robber barons?

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:41 PM

Flip Flop? Bush defines the word.
First he doesn't want a 9/11 commision - then he makes it sound like it was his idea.
Next he doesn't want Rice or anyone else to testify - then he makes it sound like it was his great idea.
After that it's We'll go it alone without the UN in Iraq.
Then he says he wants them to take a role in Iraq.

Unfortunately he has to have his mind changed for him by extreme popular pressure.

Don't get me started on the flip flopping over the reasons for war or the waffling about semantics.

Subject: RE: BS: What do you like about Kerry?
From: dianavan
Date: 15 May 04 - 11:13 PM

and now Kerry says that he thinks Israel has the best method of dealing with terrorists.

It also looks as if he might choose a Republican as a running mate.

What do I like about Kerry? He was kinda cute when he was young. Now he's just another ugly politician.