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JohnInKansas 23 Jun 04 - 01:34 PM
GUEST, Ronaldo Arcadia 23 Jun 04 - 02:15 PM
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Subject: Another BEST SONGS List
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 01:34 PM

Lists of "bests" are generally neither very interesting or very durable. I happened to hear a fairly large selection of the "special" on the TOP 100 SONGS FROM U.S. FILMS and was somewhat impressed by how many actually were good songs. The thought that appears is "How many of these will be "Folk" music in another 50 years or so?". (Or how many are now?)

While ordinarily a link would serve better, I don't have one yet, and I suspect that this, like other similar lists, will fade pretty quickly – along with most of the links that will appear soon.

So for what it's worth, here's the American Film Institute's list as printed by the Wichita (Kansas) Eagle newspaper, June 23, 2004.

Shown as Song Title, with the movie name and year of release of the movie.

1. Over the Rainbow                                        The Wizard of Oz 1939
2. As Time Goes by                                              Casablanca 1942
3. Singin' in the Rain                                  Singin' in the Rain 1952
4. Moon River                                        Breakfast at Tiffany's 1961
5. White Christmas                                              Holiday Inn 1942
6. Mrs. Robinson                                              The Graduate 1967
7. When You Wish Upon a Star                                     Pinocchio 1940
8. The Way We Were                                          The Way We Were 1973
9. Stayin' Alive                                       Saturday Night Fever 1977
10. The Sound of Music                                    The Sound of Music 1965
11. The Man That Got Away                                     A Star Is Born 1954
12. Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend               Gentlemen Prefer Blondes 1953
13. People                                                       Funny Girl 1968
14. My Heart Will Go On                                              Titanic 1997
15. Cheek to Cheek                                                   Top Hat 1935
16. Evergreen (Love Theme - A Star Is Born)                   A Star Is Born 1976
17. I Could Have Danced All Night                               My Fair Lady 1964
18. Cabaret                                                          Cabaret 1972
19. Some Day My Prince Will Come               Snow White & the Seven Dwarfs 1937
20. Somewhere                                                West Side Story 1961
21. Jailhouse Rock                                           Jailhouse Rock 1957
22. Everybody's Talkin'                                     Midnight Cowboy 1969
23. Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head             Butch Cassidy/Sundance Kid 1969
24. 0l' Man River                                                 Show Boat 1936
25. High Noon (Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darlin')                   High Noon 1952
26. The Trolley Song                                    Meet Me in St. Louis 1944
27. Unchained Melody                                                   Ghost 1990
28. Some Enchanted Evening                                     South Pacific 1958
29. Born to Be Wild                                              Easy Rider 1969
30. Stormy Weather                                           Stormy Weather 1943
31. Theme From New York, New York                         New York, New York 1977
32. I Got Rhythm                                        An American in Paris 1951
33. Aquarius                                                            Hair 1979
34. Let's Call the Whole Thing Off                            Shall We Dance 1937
35. America                                                 West Side Story 1961
36. Supercalifragilistic-expialidocious                         Mary Poppins 1964
37. Swinging on a Star                                          Going My Way 1944
38. Theme From 'Shaft,'                                                Shaft 1971
39. Days of Wine and Roses                            Days of Wine and Roses 1963
40. Fight the Power                                       Do the Right Thing 1989
41. New York, New York                                           On the Town 1949
42. Luck Be a Lady                                           Guys and Dolls 1955
43. The Way You Look Tonight                                     Swing Time 1936
44. Wind Beneath My Wings                                           Beaches 1988
45. That's Entertainment                                     The Band Wagon 1953
46. Don't Rain on My Parade                                       Funny Girl 1968
47. Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah                                     Song of the South 1947
48. Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera)    The Man Who Knew Too Much 1956
49. Make 'Em Laugh                                       Singin' in the Rain 1952
50. Rock Around the Clock                                  Blackboard Jungle 1955
51. Fame                                                                Fame 1980
52. Summertime                                                Porgy and Bess 1959
53. Goldfinger                                                    Goldfinger 1964
54. Shall We Dance                                           The King and I 1956
55. Flashdance … What a Feeling                                  Flashdance 1983
56. Thank Heaven for Little Girls                                       Gigi 1958
57. The Windmills of Your Mind                      The Thomas Crown Affair 1968
58. Gonna Fly Now                                                      Rocky 1976
59. Tonight                                                 West Side Story 1961
60. It Had to Be You                                    When Harry Met Sally 1989
61. Get Happy                                                   Summer Stock 1950
62. Beauty and the Beast                               Beauty and the Beast 1991
63. Thanks for the Memory                        The Big Broadcast of   1938 1938
64. My Favorite Things                                    The Sound of Music 1965
65. I Will Always Love You                                     The Bodyguard 1992
66. Suicide Is Painless                                             M*A*S*H* 1970
67. Nobody Does It Better                               The Spy Who Loved Me 1977
68. Streets of Philadelphia                                     Philadelphia 1993
69. On the Good Ship Lollipop                                    Bright Eyes 1934
70. Summer Nights                                                    Grease 1978
71. The Yankee Doodle Boy                               Yankee Doodle Dandy 1942
72. Good Morning                                        Singin' in the Rain 1952
73. Isn't It Romantic?                                       Love Me Tonight 1932
74. Rainbow Connection                                     The Muppet Movie 1979
75. Up Where We Belong                            An Officer and a Gentleman 1982
76. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas               Meet Me in St Louis 1944
77. The Shadow of Your Smile                                  The Sandpiper 1965
78. 9 to 5                                                            9 to 5 1980
79. Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do)                            Arthur 1981
80. Springtime for Hitler                                     The Producers 1968
81. I'm Easy                                                       Nashville 1975
82. Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead                            The Wizard of Oz 1939
83. The Rose                                                       The Rose 1979
84. Put the Blame on Mame                                              Gilda 1946
85. Come What May                                              Moulin Rouge! 2001
86. (I've Had) The Time of My Life                            Dirty Dancing 1987
87. Buttons and Bows                                           The Paleface 1948
88. Do Re Mi                                              The Sound of Music 1965
89. Puttin' on the Ritz                                  Young Frankenstein 1974
90. Seems Like Old Times                                          Annie Hall 1977
91. Let the River Run                                           Working Girl 1988
92. Long Ago and Far Away                                        Cover Girl 1944
93. Lose Yourself                                                    8 Mile 2002
94. Ain't Too Proud to Beg                                     The Big Chill 1983
95. (We're Off on the) Road to Morocco                      Road to Morocco 1942
96. Footloose                                                      Footloose 1984
97. 42nd Street                                                 42nd Street 1933
98. All That Jazz                                                    Chicago 2002
99. Hakuna Matata                                              The Lion King 1994
100. Old Time Rock and Roll                                  Risky Business 1983

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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: GUEST, Ronaldo Arcadia
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:15 PM

This list reminds me why I hate musicals.

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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:30 PM

Well, according to my definition of folksongs(which of course is only mine not anyone else's), the answer to your questions are(1) none of them are folk songs. (2) none of them ever will be: because we know who wrote them all, and they have not been subjected to the oral tradition.
However, it is feasible that the information about their origin may be lost due a breakdown in civilisation, and they will start to modify themselves organically. In which case I would put money on "Summertime" and "Que sera,sera" turning into folksongs quicker than most.

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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: emjay
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:30 PM

Hundreds of years from now there will be people trying to figure out the meaning of hakuna matata or zip-a-dee-do-dah. Or just what was meant in singing about over the rainbow. If any of these do survive at all, and I have my doubts.

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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:33 PM

Come to think of it, considering what a lot of folksongs must have been used in movies over the years, it's funny that none of them made it into the list.

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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 03:14 PM

I for one would love to see the "unknown authorship" requirement be permanently stricken from any definition of folk song. I find it irritating that ignorance be made a requirement. Songs like "Shoals of Herring", and "Fiddler's Green" and "Aragon Mill" are no less folk because we know who wrote them. And what happens when someone finds out who wrote "Greensleeves" or "Yankee Doodle"?

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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 03:18 PM

No, I'm not biting that bait, Dick!!

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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 05:00 PM

I guess I haven't followed the "What is Folk" threads closely enough. I never thought of "Anonymous" being the only one who could create something folk.

I sort of figured that anything that was well enough known to the people of place and an era to be called common knowledge, and that was passed on by being used and known would probably be included.

Too deep a problem for me. I'm liable to start worrying about the "Venus de Milo" no longer being good art because we found out who whittled her out.

My thought here was only that these are very well known songs, and might be useful for those who want a few "variety" samples to include in their selection. Those several people who play for retirement homes and hospitals, as one example, could probably be safe in using almost any of the older ones, although some of us old fogeys might not recognize a a few of the more recent ones.

While we know better here, in a lot of crowds you could probably work up a good debate about whether "Ol' Man River" is "old gospel" or just "trad." (I've heard that debate, although some of the participants needed a couple of bricks for a full load.)


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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 05:48 PM

Well I'm all for thread crfeep, but someone ought to answer the questions apart from me. I am still nominating Summertime and Que Sera Sera for the "becoming folk" stakes. (Not the Good Songs or Longevity stakes, that's not the questions).

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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: M.Ted
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 07:06 PM

No need to justify posting the list, John, most of us here are not restricted in our musical tastes by labels--thanks for posting it. We watched the show and stayed up late thinking of great movie songs that were not included--we probably came up with another hundred--

It seems to me that the list had more to do with the screen personality who was connected with the song than with the songs themselves, their popularity, or their overall artistic impact.

Greg's point about the the curious absence of folksongs from the list is a good one--folksongs, both sung and as part of the film score are used a lot in films--think of John Ford's movies--or of films like "How the West Was One"--how about "Buffalo Gals" in "It's a Wonderful Life"?
and that just scratches the surface--

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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 07:45 PM

The article accompanying the list did mention that the people who compiled the survey results were "hoping to remind" the old timers to go out and get copies of the "old classics" and maybe to "introduce some younger people" to these "great old movies." I understand that they sent survey subjects a list of about 400 songs to pick from.

Quite possibly the 400 songs were picked based on having the old films ready for redistribution(?).

A faint "eau de commerce" does seem to attach.

The question that was asked, if the article was accurate (how could we doubt, it was an AP article?), was something like "which songs do you recognize," rather than "which do you like." Without seeing the survey input form though, it's impossible to say what's the result and what's the "spin."

The show was something of a nostalgia trip - for a while I thought I'd just accidentally left "Lawrence Welk" on.


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Subject: RE: Another BEST SONGS List
From: semi-submersible
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 05:19 AM

Just ran across this old thread on a search. At the risk of belated thread creep:

"Summertime" was a good call, g s, though "none of them are folk songs" maybe not so good. Gershwin set his classic to a Ukranian lullaby called "Oi Khodyt Son Kolo Vikon." I heard the episode of Randy Bachman's CBC Radio show "Vinyl Tap" this season when he played them back to back, and it's clearly the same song.

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