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The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?

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Subject: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 09:01 PM

The song in question is this one:

I Started a Joke by Robin Gibb
   

I started a joke, which started the whole world crying,
But I didn't see that the joke was on me, oh no.

I started to cry, which started the whole world laughing,
Oh, if I'd only seen that the joke was on me.

I looked at the skies, running my hands over my eyes,
And I fell out of bed, hurting my head from things that I'd said.

Til I finally died, which started the whole world living,
Oh, if I'd only seen that the joke was on me.

I looked at the skies, running my hands over my eyes,
And I fell out of bed, hurting my head from things that I'd said.

'til I finally died, which started the whole world living,
Oh, if I'd only seen that the joke was on me.

****


So, what's the consensus? Is this the wimpiest song ever recorded or is it a deep and meaningful comment upon life, sorrow, trials, and tragedy? What do you think?


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 09:06 PM

It's hard to believe that any song is wimpier than "Feelings".


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 09:57 PM

It depends on how the vocal is handled...


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 10:18 PM

I dunno, LH. Howzabout Watching Scotty Grow?

Jerry


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 10:25 PM

I was thinking more like "Honey" but either way its hard to go wrong (or right) with Bobby Goldsboro.......unless you want to go with Red Sovine of course.

Actually, "Scotty" has the one redeeming feature of being written by Mac Davis..........nah, its still a toss up but Bobby all the way! When it comes to wimpy schlock, not even Robin Gibb can beat Bobby and Red.


Spaw


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Dec 09 - 11:49 PM

Well, here it is...

I Started a Joke

I must say that he sings it magnificently. Hell of a good vocalist.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Neil D
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 12:16 AM

I'm not even sure it's the wimpiest song by that band:
"Emotion"


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 12:45 AM

For me it's a toss up between The Voyage and Honey. I'm not a fan of With Pen In Hand or Roses are Red My Love either. There are quite few out there.

Don


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 01:08 AM

Hawk, you either like 'em or you don't. The BeeGee sound was vocally tight as you get in blood harmony and they were excellent stylists.....if you like that style. Many of their songs from that early period (pre-disco and pre-Sgt. Pepper) had a sort of, I guess you'd have to say, "wimpy" sound and lyric. Listen to "Words," "How Can You Mend a Broken Heart," "Got to Get a Message to You,"To Love Somebody," and "Massachusetts" and you'll get the idea.

They had one hell of a following and sold a shitload of records. Most of those songs played on every juke in the country. And to be truthful......yeah, I liked them...........still do. Maurice's death was tragic.   He was the somewhat silent genius that bound them.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Amos
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 01:34 AM

"Having My Baby" and "Someone Left a Cake Out in the Rain" have got to be int he top ten ...


A


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: M.Ted
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 01:49 AM

If you think it is a wimpy song, check I started A Joke by Ritchie Havens


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 02:05 AM

Nice melody


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 02:10 AM

Gotta agree on the "cake song".......MacArthur Park.   I always thought, "So........Someone left a cake out in the rain............Screw 'em."

Also, along those lines, just what the fuck is a whiter shade of pale? Englsh? I dunno'..........


Spaw


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Smedley
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 02:29 AM

There is an excellent version of I Started A Joke by the wonderful Kathryn Williams on her album of cover versions.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Weasel
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 03:11 AM

I don't understand why so many people seem not to understand the line "A whiter shade of pale" - makes perfect sense to me.

If you really want some lyrics that don't make sense, try "If" by David Gates.

Cheers,

Weasel


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 03:48 AM

I liked the song when it came out (my teens). Now it seems a bit twee, but I think it is because of the melody. It is too sing songy, which such a topic should not be.

If you just read the lyrics as a poem it is ok, maybe not deep but meaningful especially when I judge it with my teenage angst perspective. Would be interesting to see if a darker melody could be laid on and then sung by a Leonard Cohen like voice.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 03:55 AM

Blowin' in the Wind - by far
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 06:43 AM

I'd have to say, Spaw, that I also like the BeeGees. They had a great sound.

Jim Carrol...you've obviously heard too many lacklustre singalongs of "Blowin' in the Wind" at boy scout campfires and similar occasions... ;-) In the context of the time, sung by the right people, it was anything but wimpy. It conveyed a considerable amount of anger, as a matter of fact.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 07:07 AM

Jim Carrol at a boy scout campfire!!!


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 07:09 AM

Wimpy. But a wellspring of meaning-laden depths compared to Pleez Daddy.

> I always thought, "So........Someone left a cake out in the rain............Screw 'em."

LOL. So did I.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 07:12 AM

Not Jim-Carroll-at-a-boy-scout-campfire as wimpy. I meant the joke song. But since I'm here again, there's also the puke-propagating Wives And Lovers.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 07:21 AM

I haven't heard that one. Who did it?


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 07:27 AM

Jack Jones. DECADES ago (showing my age now).

It starts out something like

Hey little girl [little girl????]
Comb your hair, fix your make-up
Soon He will come through the door

Like she's supposed to celebrate the fact he's coming home from work, and stop doing the housework and looking after the kids to go get dolled up. Every single day?


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 07:30 AM

I'd forgotten the emotional blackmail element in it, which takes it beyond wimpy -


Hey! Little Girl
Comb your hair, fix your makeup
Soon he will open the door
Don't think because there's a ring on your finger
You needn't try anymore

For wives should always be lovers too
Run to his arms the moment he comes home to you
I'm warning you...

Day after day
There are girls at the office
And men will always be men
Don't send him off with your hair still in curlers
You may not see him again

For wives should always be lovers too
Run to his arms the moment he comes home to you
He's almost here...

Hey! Little girl
Better wear something pretty
Something you'd wear to go to the city and
Dim all the lights, pour the wine, start the music
Time to get ready for love
Time to get ready
Time to get ready for love


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 07:49 AM

My comment regarding Jim Carroll should have had a question mark as well as exclamation marks as it really was rhetorical.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 07:58 AM

Never mind, it's a great image...


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Acorn4
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 08:41 AM

Someone mentioned Red Sovine earlier.

You'll really need to get the sick bucket out for this one:-

Little Rosa

Award yourself a medal if you can get to the end!


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 09:02 AM

Holy Mackerel. That is really something all right. I listened to the whole thing. Ye Gods...


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: frogprince
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 09:43 AM

Sheeeesh; ...an therea she was ata my feet, mya littla rosa, with her littla head alla squished...
And I thought "Teddy Bear" was as bad as it could get...


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 09:45 AM

Red is coming up (literally and figuratively) from others I see.........and always on a Hawk thread...................hmmmmmmm.............Is this a plea for more from the tear jerkin' trucker or just a request for some verbal syrup of ipecac?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 10:11 AM

"lacklustre singalongs of "Blowin' in the Wind" at boy scout campfires and similar occasions"
Nope - heard it from the lips of the master - and spent the intervening years thinking "Now what tyhe **** was that about?".
Ansers on a postacard please
Jim Carroll (I prefer a double L but feel free!)


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 11:27 AM

Jim (Carroll), just couldn't imagine you singin 'dib, dib, dib'.
Slainte


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 11:30 AM

You mean dibb dibb dibb


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: john f weldon
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 11:32 AM

This song, as with some others mentioned, and as with many beautifully drawn animation films, suffers from one of the biggest flaws in art:

The appearance of meaning, without the meat.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 12:13 PM

Get real, Jim, it's totally obvious what "Blowin' In The Wind" is about. It's a broad-ranging philosophical comment on mankind's still unsuccessful struggle to achieve things like social maturity, equality, justice, brotherhood, and peace. Dylan probably wouldn't have written it were he not so inspired as a young man by the example of Woody Guthrie's championing of various social causes in song, but it fit perfectly into the revolutionary spirit of the time (in North America in the early 60s) and that's why it made such an impression on people then. I won't trouble you with explaining it any further than that, because if you don't get what it means by now, no further explanation would help, in my opinion. ;-)

john f - I believe you have just hit on what may be the key problem with "I Started a Joke".


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 12:40 PM

LOVE THIS THREAD:

My nominee, which dates from the 80's:

-Dear Mister Jesus-

"gwone ups shudent hutt widdle chiddwen..."

(Nothing against the message, everything against the treacle)


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: gnu
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 12:42 PM

It's not chopped liver?


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 02:40 PM

"It's a broad-ranging philosophical comment on mankind's still unsuccessful struggle to achieve things like social maturity,"
Sorry LH - that's almost (but not quite) a pretentious as BITW.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,Ebor_fiddler
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 02:53 PM

Kumbayah?


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,seth in Olympia
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 03:45 PM

I had a really good friend in the Air Force who turned me onto Bob Dyaln, by way of the "Freewheelin'" album. Me and about 60gazillion other people. Of course it had "BITW' on it but other stuff was there that I liked better and still do. The same really good friend may he rest in peace, was a huge fan of Bob Lind. Who was/is Bob Lind you might ask. All I can say is if I was your prisoner and you threatened to play "Bright Elusive Butterfly of Love" pumped into my cell in BL's
wonderful Kansas monotone, I'd confess, hell yeah, yeah yeah "I killed Kennedy!"
seth


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 04:53 PM

Yeah, I remember it, seth.

Read Kahlil Gibran, Jim. Perhaps you will find his material pretentious too. He has the nerve to discuss great human issues that have haunted mankind for millennia in symbolic and poetic form! How pretentious can you get? ;-) Who did he think he was writing stuff like that? Hmm.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Joe_F
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 04:59 PM

'50s schmalz:

If I Knew You Were Coming
Dear Hearts and Gentle People
You Gotta Have Heart
Love and Marriage


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 05:23 PM

Then there's The Whiffenpoof Song:

To the tables down at Mory's
To the place where Louie dwells
To the dear old Temple bar we love so well
Sing the Whiffenpoofs assembled with their glasses raised on high
And the magic of their singing casts its spell

Yes, the magic of their singing of the songs we love so well
"Shall I Wasting" and "Mavourneen" and the rest
We will serenade our Louie while life and voice shall last
Then we'll pass and be forgotten with the rest

    We're poor little lambs who have lost our way
    Baa, baa, baa
    We're little black sheep who have gone astray
    Baa, baa, baa
    Gentleman songsters off on a spree
    Doomed from here to eternity
    O Lord have mercy on such as we
    Baa, baa, baa

The Whiffenpoofs were a singing club at Yale (yes, that's right, grown men) who used to finish with this number. Can you imagine any of today's college jocks (a) calling themselves the Whiffenpoofs, and (b) singing Baa Baa Baa with a straight face? (And shouldn't it be 'have mercy on US'? Still, I suppose 'we' fits the rhyme scheme better.) Hmmmm, lessee...

Gentleman songsters off on a bus
Doomed to eat only asparagus
O Lord have mercy on...   NOPE

Must admit though, I do rather like the phrase "from here to eternity". Hey... might make a good name for a book... even a movie...


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 05:37 PM

All that's needed for schmalz to become subversive is sing it with a harde-edged sneer in the voice. Something Dylan always understood.

"Hey Little Girl", for example, could be turned on its head, treated that way. So could any of that last bunch Joe put up to be shot down.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Weasel
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 05:55 PM

"Such as we" is correct, (short for such as we are) but the rest of the thing is a travesty of a poem by Kipling. What Kipling wrote was good, what they sing isn't.

Cheers,

Weasel


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 05:55 PM

I nominate Suzanne


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: NOMADMan
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 05:58 PM

Well actually, The Whiffenpoof Song was a total ripoff of a Rudyard Kipling poem - "Gentlemen Rankers." No one ever claimed otherwise, as far as I know. Th Kipling poem did indeed include the the phrase "damned from here to eternity." Also, "We're poor little lambs who have lost our way / Baa baa baa," "We're little black sheep who have gone astray," etc, etc.

Like much of Kipling's, poetry this had a military tone to it. Kipling wasn't known for being wimpy at all, I would say.

Here


Regards,
John


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 06:09 PM

Kipling wasn't wimpy, no. But I wasn't referring to him.

Baa-baa choruses, yes. Thanks for the interesting info though.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Gurney
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 06:33 PM

I think 'Paper Doll' is so wimpy that I'm tempted to send it up by just doing it straight. In a suitably downtrodden and abashed manner, of course.

"As I was saying to (the compere), they get smelly by the second week...."


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 06:34 PM

"Can you imagine any of today's college jocks (a) calling themselves the Whiffenpoofs, and (b) singing Baa Baa Baa with a straight face?

Doesn't that imply that the song in question is the reverse of "wimpy"? And that it is the "college jocks", panic-stricken at the thought off singing it, who are wimps? But that is hardly surprising, I suppose.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 06:37 PM

Look... guys... it was a joke, OK? Lighten up!


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From: Weasel
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 06:58 PM

What was a joke?


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From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 07:11 PM

Never mind. OK?


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From: Bobert
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 08:00 PM

Well, wimpiest and worst is, of course, "Honey" fir which Bobby Goldsboro should have been turned over to the Taliban... Or worse... You know, like being strapped to a chair and made to listen to the song a hunnert times...

But wimpiest (while not being the worst), I hate to say, is Roy Orbison's "Crying"... Downright wimpy...

B~


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From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 08:10 PM

Little Hawk-

I had my doubts about this song but it's sung really well on your link.

Now I'm not sure how well it might be re-interpreted with 5-string banjo, flat-pick guitar, and washtub base, but it just might be worth a try.

However, it's definitely not a shanty/chantey/chanty.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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From: Nick E
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 08:45 PM

The Night Chicago Died and or Billy, Don't Be A Hero by Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods


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From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 09:16 PM

Waltzing With Bears


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From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 10:17 PM

Bobertz keeps bringing up "Honey" everywhere and while I too felt it was the worst thing ever on ANY list, I solved the problem with a simple modification of the lyrics..........Now its not so schmaltzy!


"HONEY".......(revised edition)

See the tree,
How big its grown
And now you're dead
I can't get blown
I've got an itch.
When you were alive
It cost twenty-five
Why did you always charge so much
You fuckin' bitch

Our tree grew large,
It fell on you
Now you're gone,
My balls are blue
I can't get laid.
So now I've started shagging sheep
And sometimes chickens in their sleep
But they want paid.


Oh Honey I miss you
Cause when you were alive
I could at least get a hand job
For a buck fifty-five.



Works better for me now!


Spaw


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From: olddude
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 10:29 PM

Me I go with "Honey"


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From: olddude
Date: 12 Dec 09 - 10:36 PM

no got one, how about "ALL BY MYSELF" DON'T WANT TO BE ALL BY MYSELF ANYMORE ... ..da da when I was young never needed anyone ... those days are gone

Good grief ...


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From: agingcynic
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 12:36 AM

i recall a couple of gaggers:

goodby poppa please pray for me
i was the black sheep of the family
too much wine and too much song
don't know how i got along...'

anyone remember the name of that one?

then there was a song with a lyric that included

how she makes me tremble
how she makes me smile
yadayadayadayada
think i'll stay with her awhile


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 12:41 AM

The first is called "Seasons in the Sun". I think the second is called "Stay With You Awhile"...it used to be on the radio all the time in the 70s and it drove me mad!


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From: RangerSteve
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 12:41 AM

My nomination - (I'm not sure of the exact words) the one by Paul McCartney that says "Somebody's knockin at the door, open it up and let 'em in". (SOmething like that).


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From: GUEST,seth in Olympia
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 08:27 AM

"Going to San Francisco " (wear some flowers in your hair)to my ears would make anyone with any self respect not want to follow those instructions. Especially horrible if you were anywhere near San Francisco at the time. Made me want to stomp the the flowers in my neighbor's garden.


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From: Acorn4
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 09:01 AM

I always got irritated particularly by:-

"All I need is the air that I breathe and to LUUURRRRRVVE you"

and

"Yummy, Yummy Yummy, I've got love in my tummy"


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From: Bobert
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 09:27 AM

A buck fifty-five, Spawzer???

No wonder you are depressed these days, son... What's a hand job costin' ya' these days???

Me??? Do the dishes fir a danged week!!! Talk about inflation... Used to get one fir suggesting that y6ou might do the dishes...

Oh well, there goes the neiogborhood...

Maybe I'll take up golf???

B~


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From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 09:42 AM

Spaw-

Know that at least I appreciate your creative work on "Honey."

Now if you would also rewrite The Giving Tree, the world would be a better place.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 11:08 AM

"Kipling wasn't wimpy,"
No he wasn't Bonnie - he was brave enough to send thousands of young men to die in the trenches, then came out against the war when his own son went missing - not exaaaactly wimpy!!
Jim Carroll


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From: GUEST,Millindale.
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 11:28 AM

I have to agree with Jim Carroll although perhaps not for the same reasons. I like my protest songs to suggest some kind of solution to the problems of the world. Dylans belief that the answer is blowing in the wind offers no solutions whatsoever. Another classic along the same lines tells me that whatever problems I have there's always someone worse off. Stand up Ralph MacTell and Streets of London.


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From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 11:34 AM

And top prize in the category "All-time champion at offering useless advice" goes toooooooo:

Whatever Will Be Will Be


No kidding.


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From: Bobert
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 12:08 PM

Danged, Bonnie, that one remijnded me of another one...

"Twelth of Never"... Very weepy...


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 02:28 PM

My own feeling about protest songs is that if they get too specific they tend to turn into dour, turgid polemics which don't wear well at all with time. They thus have a very short shelf life. Much of the stuff Phil Ochs wrote is like that. The thing I like about "Blowin' In The Wind" is that it has a timeless and universal quality. It could apply to almost any time period. That makes it far more effective as a song that will endure and continue to mean something to people.

I find "Streets of London", however, to be maudlin and quite uninspiring...but it does have a good melody.

I sometimes play a parody I wrote of "Streets of London" called "Streets of Brechin". Brechin is a small and quite unremarkable little place not far from where I live. It's not near as bad as I make it out to be in the song...it's just a small rurual place where basically nothing ever happens at all...and that makes the song a lot funnier for the people who live around this general area and who know Brechin.

It goes like this:

The Streets of Brechin

Have you seen the sidewalk kids
Who hang out on the streets of Brechin
Baseball caps upon their heads
Nothing much within
Vacant faces, witless poses
Nose ring dangling from their noses
Killing time and dreaming about
The Seven Deadly Sins

And how can you tell me you're lonely?
And say your life's a waste of time?
Let me take you by the hand
And lead you through the streets of Brechin
We'll do some checkin' that'll make you change your mind

And have you seen the daily gathering
Of the Brechin Lionesses
With their bulging shopping bags
And their gossip magazines
Catching up on local scandals
Staring down the teenage vandals
If you run afoul of them
You'll know just what I mean

And how can you tell me you're lonely?
And say your life's a waste of time?
Let me take you by the ear
And lead you through the streets of Brechin
We'll do some checkin' that'll make you change your mind

And have you seen the closet queen
Who minces through the streets of Brechin
Past the scowling rednecks
And the jeering kids
No one there to peck or pinch him
Come sundown they'll prob'ly lynch him
Then get drunk and wreck the place
Just like their daddies did

And how can you tell me you're lonely?
And say your life's a waste of time?
Let me take you by the nose
And lead you through the streets of Brechin
We'll do some checkin' that'll make you change your mind



The important thing is to get the "hand, ear, and nose" part in the right order in the 3 choruses! ;-) You must finish with "nose" for the best effect. This song is my antidote to having heard "Streets of London" way too many times over the years...

Most of the younger men around here do wear baseball caps, and nose rings were really big about 10 years ago...but thank God that fad seems to be wearing off now. What you see more now is tongue studs and little decorative thingies pierced subtly on the side of a girl's nose and some eyebrow piercings too, but not many of those wretched nose rings any longer...


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 02:29 PM

It's pronounced "Brek - in".


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From: Severn
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 03:44 PM

Most mothers actually said the equialent of,

Que sera, sera
Whatever will be will be
F**k off, kid, don't bother me.....

After, of course, we actually said,

Will I be happy, mama?
Will I be rich?
Hunh, mama? Hunh, mama? Hunh? Hunh?
Will I? Will, I mama?......"


.....real fast and real loud.

I suppose, in the 60's, folks would've said,
"The answer's blowing in the wind! GO CHASE IT!"
(prefferably in traffic)....



WHAT, Spaw?
No "See my trunk, how big it's grown.....I'm horny, I miss you?"'
Actually, the old Smothers Brothers TV show had a great skit based on that song....


And rivalling "Baloney In The Wind"

"Yes, and how much woood could a woodchuck chuck
If a woodchuck could chuck woo-o-o-ood?...."



....as a great inspirational song that has touched countless millions by being able to mean any blessed (or damned) thing you want it to, I nominate:

                   LET IT BE


An old drunk I worked with on a midnight shift once growled out one night as it was playing on the Oldies station that only changed its playlist every two weeks and played it all in the same order at the same time,

"Let WHAT be?"

...andI always imagined somebody miraculously experiencing a sighting of Mother Mary Herself (It had to be her. She had the yellow circle around her head, just like in all the paintings!) who, after being asked what she has come to tell this totally awed soul, smiles benignly on this person and says,

"Let it be!"

...and the confused recipient of this miricle asking, hopefully before she fades away again,

"Wait! Wait!
Let WHAT be?
Do you mean let it ALONE, let it HAPPEN, let it EXIST or WHAT?!?!?!?!"

To which the Revived Stranded Virgin snarls disgustedly,

"If you don't know by NOW, chump, you NEVER will! I'm wasting my time here. You just BLEW IT, kid..."

                     (POOF!!!!!)


"WAIT! WAIT!......."

....But alas, the miracle is gone with no buzzer or Parker Bros. home game as a consolation prize and another Great Mystery remains unanswered...


Not just anyone can screw up a bonafide miracle and, of course, this poor simple being is devastated, haunted for life and rendered absolutely useless to the world at large by simple words of Wizz-Dumb.

Mr. Vinton and Mr. Goldsboro and Mr. Sovine never quite did it on such a cosmic level.....


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From: Severn
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 03:51 PM

And I always looked at "I Started A Joke" as a parable (or maybe merely a crock-o'-bull) about Christianity.....


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,Captain Colin
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 04:40 PM

"Old Shep" takes some beating- though I think "Nobody's Child" does beat it.


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From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 06:22 PM

"Can you imagine any of today's college jocks (a) calling themselves the Whiffenpoofs, and (b) singing Baa Baa Baa with a straight face?"

Well, I don't know if any of them are jocks are not; their biographies don't say. I'm guessing they're not, if only because their busy schedule of rehearsing and performing would probably interfere with the demands of being on a sports team. This was probably always the case.

But they're still singing The Whiffenpoof Song. I can't see whether their faces are straight or not, but I'm guessing they are.


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From: Genie
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 08:04 PM

I agree that Que Sera Sera offers totally useless advice!

And that "Having My Baby" is probably the most insipid (not to mention male chauvinistically egocentric) song ever written - with "Honey" being close to the schmaltziest ever.

"MacArthur Park" may be the most ridiculously melodramatic OTT song ever!

And the attitude expressed in "Wives and Lovers" (the actual title of that "Hey Little Girl" song) makes me cringe!

But "wimpy" is not the word I would use for these songs. I save that term for the blandest of melodies (and delivery) combined with bland, platitudinous lyrics (e.g, songs that basically say things like "Let's be nice.")


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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 08:13 PM

What characteristics determine whether a song is better described as "wimpy" than as "crappy"?


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 08:41 PM

I would say that the "wimpiest" would simply be the one with the least real substance; generally it would have a pretentious air of sentimentality, but not a darn bit of actual meaningful content. A song could have a strong, clear meaning, but be crappy because it is very sloppily written, or it has a less than mediocre melody, or it expresses crass jingoistice "patriotism", or for who knows how many reasons.


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From: olddude
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 09:15 PM

Ok, I got the all time winner, how about the country song
"Can I sleep in your arms tonight mister"   ever hear that one?
you don't wanna .. LOL

Spaw you are a true song writer


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 13 Dec 09 - 09:29 PM

Amazing Grease


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From: Severn
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 11:48 AM

I actually think of "wimpy" as being on the cautious, timid unadventurous side, so I suppose if one were to write a Wimp Anthem, it would end up the equivalent of, maybe,

"Get your moped running
Head out on the side street.....

Bored to be MI-I-I-I-ILD!....."


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From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 11:56 AM

Reminds me of that brilliant song in A Mighty Wind about how they'd never done any ramblin' & wandrin'


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From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 12:12 PM

To the question of "what's blowing in the wind," if you were there, you'd bloody well know that you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows!

"Let what be?" Bloody literalists! I guess for you the foggy dew is just water mist!

Protest songs should offer an answer to the problem? When the answer is obvious even to a blind man, a song doesn't need to be a laundry list of fixes. In fact, such songs usually die a quick death. "Kick the bastards out" is easier than "campaign to obtain more votes in our next general election for candidates whose background and credentials indicate they won't do the same horrible things the current office-holder are doing, which we don't like." For one thing, even Bob Dylan's penchant for violating scansion would find such a line really hard to parse. As an example of the latter, I nominate Ewan MacColl's song in praise of Ho Chi Minh (or was it Mao?). It had gawd-awful lines of purest pap, and rightly sank beneath the weight of its own condesencion. I can't even remember the worst lines, although they had a Bulwer-Lytton Contest quality to them.

So Jim Carroll doesn't like Bob Dylan, but that's all right -- Dylan doesn't even know who Jim is!

Bob Clayton


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From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 12:23 PM

I'm no devotee of testosterone overload in song, but one would think that some vestigial trace amount of it might have moved the composer to write something with a bit more rigor.


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From: Acorn4
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 12:36 PM

I always thought this gentleman was the epitome of pretentious hippie wimpdom, but as the title of the thread suggests, perhaps I'm missing something:-



Woman

I didn't realise he was still going - might be going through a bit of a revival with the current vogue for "cesspit of despair" type songs.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 12:43 PM

Thanks, Songbob. You said it perfectly.


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From: Severn
Date: 14 Dec 09 - 04:32 PM

Point taken, Songbob. I took poking fun at ambiguities a bit far that time to the point of gettng a bit irresponsibly away from the real topic. Sorry.

As far as "Blowing In The Wind" is concerned, even having a little fun with being a literalist, even if you can kid the "answer" part of the chorus, the questions asked in themselves aren't "wimpy" and even if some of us still haven't found the answers quite yet, some among us are still trying to "get wind of them" or can "sense something in the wind" at times. indeciciveness and ambiguity are parts of being "wimpy" but not all things that can be sensed as indecicive or ambiguous can be called "wimpy" by a long shot. Whatever merits or faults the song has, I'd not put it in a Wimp Hit Parade as it's neither mild nor timid.

By the same token, I'm not really sure that something involving direct divine intervention by Mother Mary Herself, the only entity other than olive oil that can be graded Extra Virgin, could ever quite qualify as "wimpy", either. So scratch that one, as well.





However, to veer one more time off topic, in the Irish Rebel song of that title, The Foggy Dew" (as opposed to the "foggy-go-a-courtin'" love song, where in some versions, she's kept from the "buggerboo" or other things frightening and where the dew in this song is usually doubly foggy), IS indeed (and in word) just water mist, causing the IRA gunmen who didn't hit or even properly see their mark to mutter, "Damn! Mist again!".....


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From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Dec 09 - 08:08 PM

Ever since I read Gurney's post above selecting "Paper Doll" as a wimpy ditty, I've had it on my mind. I wonder why I never noticed before.......I figure its because this old song has been around so long, has a catchy tune, and has been done by so many artists in the 30's thru the 50's and even later that I didn't really pay attention to what the lyric was saying.............

- written by Johnny S. Black, 1915
- lyrics as recorded by The Mills Brothers in 1942

I'm gonna buy a Paper Doll that I can call my own
A doll that other fellows cannot steal
And then the flirty, flirty guys with their flirty, flirty eyes
Will have to flirt with dollies that are real

When I come home at night she will be waiting
She'll be the truest doll in all this world
I'd rather have a Paper Doll to call my own
Than have a fickle-minded real live girl


Geeziz! What a fucky, fucky, wimp! And what a fucky, fucky, pervert for that matter! Not to mention this asshole is also a fucky, fucky, chauvinist pig! There really is no saving grace for this jagov anywhere.........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 05:22 PM

even tho we ain't got money
i'm so in love with yu honey
daisy chain 'n gravy train 'n duh uh uh uh uh
in the morning when i ride
it brings cheers of joy to my side
hazy dazy lazy shayzee uh uh uh uh uh.........


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From: Gurney
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 06:30 PM

Hey, don't hold back, there, 'Spaw! Tell it like you see it!

Like I said, I've considered doing it straight, in a wimpish manner, just for the laughs.

I'm old enough now not to be insecure in my manhood.:-)
Mainly because nobody's interested in it anyway. :-{


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From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 07:37 PM

Thank you Gurney and I really think you need to throw it in to a set and ask the audience to interpret the meaning   (;<)).........

Then someone mentioned "Suzanne" and I wanted to add that at some point in the distant past I liked it a bit and Judy Collins as well. Then it came to me one night, an epiphany of sorts...........Not only did Judy tend to sing a bit off key at times, everything she recorded was pretty much crap! She didn't write the stuff I know but DAMN! Take "Both Sides Now"......please.......

Bows and flows of angel hair
And ice-cream castles in the sky
And feather canyons everywhere


What the hell was Joni Mitchell goofed up on when she wrote that?

Then Suzanne......I think what it needs is a Spaw re-write.....

Suzanne takes you down
To her place by the river
You can watch the boats go by
And be bored to death forever
But you really want to fuck her
So you talk and act like you care
But she's a Jewish Princess
And won't even touch you down there
Yet you really want to nail her
You wanna' fuck her til she's blind
But she won't let you near her
And the only thing getting fucked here
Is your mind


Still needs a lotta' work and more verses but its a start.....


Spaw


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 08:23 PM

Muskrat Love
Written by Willis Alan Ramsey, ©1971
Found on Hat Trick, History, America Live, America's Gold, The Very Best Of America, Highway, The Definitive America, The Complete Greatest Hits, and Here & Now.

Muskrat, muskrat candlelight
Doin' the town and doin' it right
In the evenin'
It's pretty pleasin'

Muskrat Susie, Muskrat Sam
Do the jitterbug out in muskrat land
And they shimmy
And Sammy's so skinny

And they whirled and they twirled and they tangoed
Singin' and jingin' the jango
Floatin' like the heavens above
It looks like muskrat love

Nibbling on bacon, chewin' on cheese
Sammy says to Susie "Honey, would you please be my missus?"
And she say yes
With her kisses

And now he's ticklin' her fancy
Rubbin' her toes
Muzzle to muzzle, now anything goes
As they wriggle, and Sue starts to giggle

And they whirled and they twirled and they tangoed
Singin' and jingin' the jango
Floatin' like the heavens above
It looks like muskrat love

La da da da da ...


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 08:24 PM

Fuckin' deep, man. Deeeeep.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 08:32 PM

When Karen and I were talking about this thread just this morning, she immediately brought up "Muskrat Love."

Did you see the movie "My Fellow Americans" where John Heard as a simpleton Vice President (are there any other kinds) recites part of "Muskrat Love" at a funeral?

First time I saw it, I was on the floor laughing....really!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 08:32 PM

You know what, man...you are an idiot. ;-) That's right. You are the Jagov of all Jagovs, a legend in the annals of irretrievable f*ckwits worldwide. I am talkin' MAJOR Javov here! Hell, if Jaguar ever had known about you, they'd've put wire wheels on you and you'd have been driven out as the champion rustbucket of their entire line. (And you and I know that those cars are among the worst and most troublesome service nightmares that the auto industry has ever known...)

Man, Spaw, I am amazed that you have the nerve, the utter gall to diss 2 brilliant songs like Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne" and Joni Mitchell's "Clouds", both of which are classics. Of course, an Ohio potatohead like yourself is probably totally impervious to any form of lyrical subtlety, right? Specially when it's put in the form of poetic metaphor.

That's why I am here to tell you, man, that you have officially lost all credibility you ever had as a music fan OR critic...which is sorta like saying that George Bush had lost all credibility as a Rhodes Scholar, a good president, and a smart businessman....but I digress.

You didn't even quote Joni Mitchell's lyrics right, you pathetic, defenestrated, simpletonian mamalucca. They go like this:

Rows and flows of angel hair
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons everywhere
I've looked at clouds that way
But now they only block the sun
They rain and snow on everyone
So many things I would have done
But clouds got in my way...


That song isn't just good. It's a masterpiece.

As for that assassination you just performed on the song Suzanne....well, you have gone too far this time, Jocko! Your admittance to the Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed is hereby revoked. And you know why? Because you are too f*cked up even for those guys! That's right. You have gone beyond the pale. If I were you I would just dig a very deep hole in the backyard, climb in it, and pull a tarp over it, and hide out there in shame for the rest of your days with your old copies of Cheech Wizard.

;-D


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 08:48 PM

"Muskrat Love": even they left the room when it was on the radio.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 09:00 PM

"Dreamboat Annie" by Heart.

(I never smoked enough of anything to listen to this song all the way through.)


Heading out this morning into the sun
Riding on the diamond waves, little darlin' one

Warm wind caress her
Her lover it seems
Oh, Annie
Dreamboat Annie my little ship of dreams

Going down the city sidewalk alone in the crowd
No one knows the lonely one whose head's in the clouds

Sad faces painted over with those magazine smiles
Heading out to somewhere won't be back for a while


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Dec 09 - 10:07 PM

Well, yeah, maybe...but it has great music.

100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,Gurney, elsewhere.
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 03:13 AM

'Spaw, I should think it's a gender thing. I manage to separate songs that girls sing from songs I would NEVER sing myself!
I can listen to (recordings of)the mentioned ladies and enjoy them. I don't mind ladies being wimps. Well, in situations that don't require staunchness, anyway.

Not that standing on your hind legs and singing to an audience doesn't require it, I hasten to add.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 09:11 AM

LOL @ Gurney......Thanks for that chuckle!

Now HAWK, you Ignominious Asshole.............

There is no way that a lowlife such as yourself can possibly be taken seriously. Why would anyone value the opinion of some jadrool who worships Winona Ryder and cannot understand the zen teachings and subtle poetry and balance that is learned from the Study of Cheech. Even the Great Hat hisself has spoken out against the putrid and repugnant "Space Oddity" as being a tale of utter ignorance!

You may think you know shit but it is in fact Shinola. I had thought there might be hope for you when you sent me that pussy but alas, you are sadly just another dick......not even a hard on..................just a limp tiny dick...................I'd say you were a jagov but you probably can't.........


Spaw


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 12:17 PM

Thanks for remembering the cat... ;-)

Y'know, I've always thought that "Muskrat Love" was a really sweet little song. It's cheerful and enjoyable. It sounds great and is unobjectionable in every way. You people who are down on that song are living proof of the principle: "cynicism is its own punishment"


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Severn
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 12:26 PM

For those who like 'em husky dusky and musky and love that "Middle Of The Rodent" sound.....

"Doin' the town up
And doin' it well
Two Muskrateers
Drunk on Muskratel
And when they get drinkin'
Don't that musk start to stinkin'...."




Hmmmmm....
This one also needs some work.....


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 12:32 PM

The Middle of the Rodent sound has a large and devoted following. Corridus loves listening to that stuff.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Genie
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 05:41 PM

I know this song is very popular in folk circles, and I even kind of like it. It's a pretty song, but I also think its lyrics are really saccharine and not terribly profound or deep:

Last night I had the strangest dream
I've never dreamed before.
I dreamed the world had all agreed
To put an end to war.

(You all know the rest of the lyrics.)
I mean, it's a wonderful pipe dream, but it's about as profound as saying
"I had this wonderful dream where all the evil in the world was gone"
or
"In my dream all the world's problems were solved! -- Just by a few strokes of a pen!"


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: CLETUS HARDDINGER
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:00 PM

Awwwww Genie. Yall gonna go on down ta thet folk hell playse wen thay catcha.

Now Ol CLETUS he sorta purty much agreez wif ya an all an iffen ya doan tel nobuddy, Ile tel ya sumthin els tu. Sumtimes thet Pete Seeger fella gits way tu darn sicky sweet ideely like an it makez me sorta shivver an feel creepy like. I no thet tha Ed McCurdy feller whut rote thet song wuzza good guy an all an Mister Pete is a reel hero but sumtimes thay seem a bit wimpy like.

Hav yer sef a good time in folk hell.

CLETUS


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Joe_F
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 06:28 PM

Genie: That song always makes me want to add a sarcastic stanza alluding to the Kellogg-Briand pact (1928).


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Severn
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 07:27 PM

The Peace lasted only about a half hour until they started fighting over who was going to pick up all those guns and drums and unicorns and stuff lying scattered on the ground....


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Genie
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:22 PM

LOL, Little Hawk (and Cletus)!


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Genie
Date: 18 Dec 09 - 08:23 PM

Severn, I think ya got it nailed!


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 03:42 PM

There are some horribly wimpy anti-war songs out there, and "Last Night I Dreamed the Strangest Dream" is very near the apex of those. Another is "Billy, Don't Be a Hero"....listening to that one is like getting a tooth extracted by the local plumber instead of the dentist.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 05:10 PM

Tell me this one ain't the winner.

'Red Peters with Smelly Water
featuring The Dickner Brothers (Iben, Uben & Heben)

Storyteller (spoken word)
VERSE ONE

I was sittin' out on the porch the other night
reminiscing about the good ole days
and how my grandson Bobby and I would finish up chores
and mosey on into town.
Heck, we were poor back then
but we loved window shopping.
And I recall how excited Bobby'd get
'specially when we stopped by the pet shop.
you see, there was this one little puppy
that he really took a hankerin' to
and he'd look up at me and say
"Grandpa... if that was my dog, I'd name him Stains,
cuz of that splash of white on his coat."
Well, right then and there, I made a up my mind,
that I'd get that little critter for Bobby
so that following mornin', I cashed in a savings bond and brought the little mutt home.
Darnit, I couldn't tell you who was happiest that day,
me, Bobby or that there dog.
Them two were inseparable ....
why, you'da need a crowbar to separate those two.
And to this day, I can still hear the boy hollerin' after that dog...
still hear him calling... calling out his name...

CHORUS (sung)
Come Stains! Come Stains!
I still can Hear him calling...Come Stains!

Storyteller
VERSE TWO

you know, we don't like talkin' about it much
but it was that following winter
that little Bobby took ill.
and they don't allow dogs at the hospital
so back home you'd find Stains on Bobby's bed.
I'll never forget the day Doc called
and gave us the bad news about Bobby
out of the corner of my eye
I saw Stains lift his sad little dogface from Bobby's pillow.
Somehow he knew that Bobby was gone
and I swear to the good lord
that Stains was hearing Bobby calling out to him one more time from heaven
he just sorta smiled, crossed his paws like he was prayin'
put his head on the pillow..........and passed away.

CHORUS
Come Stains! Come Stains!
I still can hear him calling, Come Stains!
Come Stains! Come Stains!
I still can hear him calling, Come Stains!

(boy and dog united in Heaven) "Come Stains! Come Stains!...Stains!...Woof, woof..."'


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 05:13 PM

So many nights, I'd sit by my window,
Waiting for someone to sing me his song.
So many dreams, I kept deep inside me,
Alone in the dark, now you've come along.

And you light up my life,
You give me hope, to carry on.
You light up my days
And fill my nights with song.

Rollin' at sea, adrift on the waters
Could it be finally, I'm turning for home
Finally a chance to say, "Hey, I Love You"
Never again to be all alone.

And you light up my life,
You give me hope, to carry on.
You light up my days
And fill my nights with song.

You, You light up my life
You give me hope to carry on
You light up my days
And fill my nights with song
It can't be wrong, when it feels so right

Cause you, you light up my life


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:27 PM

That song about "Stains" is the mother-flippin' LIMIT! AAAARGHHH!!!


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Genie
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 01:58 PM

OK, with this next submission I've probably cemented my place, not only in folk music hell, but in pop hell, rock hell, and Christmas music hell too. (sigh)

But probably the most vapid, Hallmark-card lyrics I've ever heard for a Christmas song are these by John Lennon:

HAPPY CHRISTMAS (WAR IS OVER)

(Happy Christmas Kyoko
Happy Christmas Julian)*

So this is Christmas
And what have you done?
Another year over
And a new one just begun.
And so this is Christmas;
I hope you have fun,
The near and the dear ones.
The old and the young.

A very Merry Christmas
And a happy New Year.
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear.

And so this is Christmas,
For weak and for strong,
For rich and the poor ones
The world is so wrong.

And so happy Christmas
For black and for white,
For yellow and red ones,
Let's stop all the fight.

A very Merry Christmas
And a happy New Year.
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear.

....

War is over, if you want it
War is over now.

Happy Christmas.



*Of course, John scribbled this on a note pad with his son Julian in mind. Not sure how old Julian was at the time, but if you were writing a poem for a rather young child you'd probably use pretty simple words and thoughts.

But the "poetry" in this song doesn't compare with most of Lennon's lyrics.   I think many third graders could come up with lyrics and rhymes like this.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 02:02 PM

Some, of a certain age, will recall the poet/singer Rod McKuen. He was hugely popular in the sixties, many of his verses done by such groups as The Kingston Trio and The Limeliters. At the height of his popularity, he also developed a legion of detractors who loved to label his work as "pap," "vacuous" or "wimpy." I was never an unabashed fan, but I know that the Bee Gees experienced some of the same love/hate stuff in their day. A typical detractor - A musician friend who honed his chops in jazz likes to characterize their music as "rhythm & blues for people who have neither."


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 02:17 PM

Rode McKeun was once described by a journalist of the time as "every housewife's favourite hippy".


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 11:00 AM

Okay. There have been a lot of posts here...but what started this thread was my sincere inquiry as to whether the Bee Gees' song "I Started a Joke" is the wimpiest song ever...or is it deep? We have drifted far afield since then. However, a diligent search on the Net has finally answered my question! Read the following and become enlightened. Spaw, are you reading this? I hope so, because THIS is the FINAL WORD on the matter!

I Started A Joke: An Interpretive Study
by Mary Lee Foote
Mary Lee Foote analyzed the Robin Gibb song I Started A Joke some time ago, and offered to share it with some of her fellow Bee Gees fans. Because it was rather long she was reluctant to post it on any mailing list. I thought it was most interesting and offered to post it on her behalf on my website. Mary Lee and I hope you enjoy it.


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Though this song is considered old in musical reference, it still springs new to the masses who perpetually discover and rediscover the talents of the Bee Gees. Even those of us who have been fans for the span of a generation find new meaning in old lyrics as life carries us into dimensions we have never before explored.

Often seen as a spiritual commentary on Robin's part, he has never claimed that to be the basis of the piece, as such. Experience draws us all in a diversity of directions, often all at once, and inspiration is the trickle-down of that overload.

I am not one to climb into the great minds of our times and autopsy their brainchild of work but I have an awareness of something woven into the lyric here that I've never before seen discussed. The piece encompasses only eight lines of poetic statement, clean and straight-forward in appearance and delivery, yet steeped in the mystery of a thousand ages. This song leaves naked, parts of the soul we tend to keep covered, even from our own deeper selves.

We see in it, our own personal sins of omission that do not look so pretty in black and white and are even more haunting when presented in a package of understated music and single-voiced verse. Although I do see where the spiritual intonation peers through the lyric at us, I see here, too, the personal commentary of an inner moral dilemma being posed by the subject and the step by step process by which he rationalizes his justification for not following his inner personal voice. This person wants desperately to shed his etiquetted skin and stand on the purity of truth rather than cower in civilized silence in the face of injustice.

He theorizes the consequences of such an action on his part. He knows his statement will upset the world that, up to this point, was living comfortably in its own shallow self-deception. Because his view is so different from everyone else, he knows this will upset the sedate tranquility of those around him. In defensive retaliation, rather than re-examining, reforming, and admitting to the error of their ways, society would turn its collective, disdainful back on his statement and proclaim the fundamental truth he has exposed to be merely the folly of a prankster.

He goes on to see that he will not be taken seriously and cries in the frustration of being the only one who has had this vision of truth and reality. He feels alone and small in the cosmos. At this, he knows the world will take great delight in his outward appearance of weakness and defeat and in their arrogance he knows they will unite in crushing declamation and mercilessly taunt him wherever he goes, all the days of his life.

He looks up, seeking heavenly approval and resolve of the issue. He attempts to clear his eyes searching for a sign of the miraculous awakening of those around him. Just as he begins to dry his eyes in the faith that, because of his sincerity of heart, there will surely now be change, he tumbles out of his dream-state into reality. He falls hard from grace back into the moment.

The enormity of the entire situation crashes over him like a tidal wave as he sees the ramifications of what he has started by his simple statement of truth. He is paralyzed in thought and can no longer make sense of his own words as they drown in the whirlpool of confusion between human emotion and soulful truth. He eventually dies a broken man because he knows the truth but never pursued it to the fullest of its intent due to his lack of courage in his own personal convictions. He saw himself as wholly inadequate to challenge what he did not approve of in this world so he never stood up for what he believed in.

After his death, civilization perpetuates itself in its blithe ignorance, unscathed by the voice of truth he held within. He is gone, and with him, the potential threat he posed to a thinly-skinned euphoric society.

In the end, he sees that he had indeed been right and that society was truly wrong. He knows then, all too late, that he would have made a difference if only he had not given in to his own imagined fears.

He wasted a lifetime repressing himself and the truth he had once envisioned. He had become his own worst enemy. He had shackled his own soul down - not the society that he had tried to hold accountable for his lack of action. He ultimately became the very thing he once morally raged against - a silent, self-deceiving member of a pretentious urbane society.

Yes, the joke WAS on him.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Severn
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 11:26 AM

WOW! LH,

I started to choke
Which started the whole world gagging.
When the swallows came back
Then the choke was on me.....


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,david robinson
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 12:57 PM

If it's the Brothers Gibb ...it's wimpy cos they are ...what's left of them !!!


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Genie
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 01:11 PM

Before I read Mary Lee Foote's analysis of the song "I Started A Joke," I'll share my sort of knee-jerk reactive analysis of the song. (And I was never aware, till you posted it, Hawk, that it was Robin Gibb who wrote and sang it.)
The song always struck me as symptomatic of paranoid schizophrenia: delusions of persecution and grandeur.   When I joke, people cry. When I cry, people laugh. And my death brings everyone else to life.   Not only does nobody understand or appreciate me, but the whole world revolves around me.

To me, that's not wimpy, that's just paranoid delusional. : )


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: pdq
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 01:31 PM

Much introspective and "sensitive" poetry and song was popular in the 1960s.

Blaming it on Rod McKuen is quite unfair, and claiming that he is personally wimpy is absurd.

He was born in Oakland, one of the toughest cities in the country. He survived a violent and alcoholic father until he ran away form home. From there he did work as a ranch hand, rodeo worker, laborer, even as a stunt man. He was homeless at one point and has real "streat smarts". McKuen is one tough man.

He also wrote some fine songs.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 02:31 PM

Well said, pdq. But I can't wait to hear Spaw's reaction to Mary Lee Foote's heartfelt essay on the real meaning of "I Started a Joke". ;-)


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 02:46 PM

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned "Patches (I'm depending on you, son)."

Also: on the subject of non-wimpy covers of the BeeGees, please consider Al Green's "How Do You Mend A Broken Heart." Nothing wimpy about Rev Al! His rendition is ballsy enough to redeem the entire Gibbs brothers caatlog...


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 03:12 PM

Does Daltry's angry performance save the song?
Or do these two lines

If I shiver, please give me a blanket
Keep me warm, let me wear your coat

make "Behind Blue Eyes" the wimpiest song ever?

If we look at lyrics alone, I would have to say it is the wimpiest, whiniest and most self pitying song anywhere, with "Alone Again, Naturally" a close second.


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Subject: RE: The wimpiest song ever? Or is it deep?
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 06:36 PM

I certainly did not intend to demean Rod McKuen's work. I liked some of his compositions and sang a few. I was aware of his upbringing and the sensitivity of his work was probably his answer to it. One song of his which I have always liked was done by Bud & Travis in the early 1960's - "So Long, Stay Well." I believe it was either co-written or with music by Art Podell. The other two that I enjoyed performing were "Doesn't Anybody Know My Name?" and "The World I Used to Know." Not bad stuff, and hardly wimpy.


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