Should Mike Tyson retire?

Subject: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 10:10 PM

The fight with Williams was to be the first in a series of comeback fights to help Tyson pay off $38 M in debt. Tyson earned some $8 M but would keep only $2 M of that if a bankruptcy reorganization plan is approved. That plan, however, was contingent on Tyson fighting 7 times in the next 3 years, which now appears unlikely.

I hope Tyson knows that he does not have to keep boxing because of his $38 M debt. People go into multimillion dollar debt all the time, & things are done. Arrangements are made. Sometimes time is even served. This is not a Middle Eastern theocracy where people's hands are cut off for stealing bread. This is America. Americans are not required to endure physical beatings as the penalty for bankruptcy. It should be no different for Mike.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 10:43 PM

Shouldn't this be below the salt in BS?

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 11:02 PM

BS for sure, but dosen't that bastard deserve a few more beatings?

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 11:13 PM

Look, Tyson is history. He doesn't scare anyone any more. Everyone know to just let him punch himself out in the 1st round so just cover up, weather it and pick him off once he is spent. Like how many 22 year old heavy weights are the out there who can't beat Tyson?

But here'a a bigger question. How could the guy win well over $500M and be broke? Like how many steaks can jus' one guy eat? How many Rolls Royce's can one guy own? Come on. The guy has been fleeced by his handlers, Don King being the biggest one....

Bobert

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: bengi
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 11:26 PM

If the ear thing catches on, he could open a shop, Tyson Eaten Ears.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Aug 04 - 11:31 PM

why should he retire? He still has all his teeth, doesn't he?

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 12:30 AM

Should we really care?

The guy is a highly paid thug and a proven rapist.... would you feel sorry for him if he was someone else?

LTS

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 12:33 AM

And seeing the flashes at the bottom of this thread, tickets for his brawls START at $145 (about £100) so someone, somewhere is doing quite well out of it.

LTS

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 03:54 AM

If he continues boxing, he faces the danger of becoming "punch drunk" (dementia); which is what happened to some fighters of note (and god knows how many of little note) who stayed on too long and absorbed too much punishment to the head, Jerry Quarry being an example.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: alanabit
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 04:56 AM

Liz, whereas I agree that on the one hand you can see Tyson as a thug and a rapist, that is no reason to want to see him take further terrible beatings. I am sure you don't really. We owe basic human compassion to the unattractive as well as to the fluffy and cuddly things of this world. Tyson has already taken terrible beatings from Buster Douglas, Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield. I am glad that his aura has gone. I still don't want to see him - or any other man - stripped of all human dignity.
You have never struck me as a cruel person, Liz. Anyone can understand the anger at a rapist and a bully. There is still hope for him as a man though, so we don't have to take everything away from him.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 05:28 AM

I'm not a cruel person, but when you have been on the receiving end of a rapist and a bully, you tend to have your perceptions warped a bit. Everyone remembers the name of the rapist, who remembers the victim?

He knows the risks if he continues to box. He also knew the risks when he started spending more than he earned. There is only one way I know of to go bankrupt, and that is to live outside your means. He was at the top of the chain once and thought he was invincible. When he fell off the top, he continued to live as if he were still there. His reputed earnings for one year are more than most of us could hope for in a lifetime, and yet still he has no money. This smacks to me of bad management and appalling accounting. It also hints at intimidation - would you say no to him and expect to survive unscathed?

I'm sure the man can do something else to raise money - after all, millions of others do it every day.

LTS

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 07:55 AM

Who cares? He's a low-life rapist jailbird thug. Let's spend our time worrying about the future of people who deserve our concern - like the Sudanese maybe?

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 08:43 AM

I think that the whole "sport" of boxing should be retired. Two men (and now and them two women) stand up and punch each other until either a judge says that one wins or one of them is dealt a blow that renders the other unconcious because of a shock to his/her brain -- this is sport?

A real fight, a serious fight, is over in a few seconds and someone ends up maimed or dead. A real fight isn't -- and can't be, in any civilized society -- "sport." A real fight means going all out, no holding back, fighting for you life in every sense of the word and ONLY because you have to do so. It's brutal, it's bloody, and it's ugly. If you doubt it because all you've seen is in movies, check out Fairbairn on hand-to-hand combat or the US Army manual on the subject.

Ban boxing.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 08:57 AM

Yes the "sport" has for the last number of years been nothing more than a circus.
If someone can spare the time they can obliges us all with the present World champions, at the last count I believe there was 76, time to wrap it up, a brutal, crooked, profession/

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 09:42 AM

I ageww, Rap, ban boxing... It isn't really a sport at all... It's legalized criminal behavior dressed up as a sport...

Speaking of criminal behavior, I am still real curious how "Mike the Bite" lost the $500M he has receieved from boxing? Like how does one go about loosing that much money without some serious help, like from Don King and others?

I was saddened, Liz the Squeak, to read that you were (and are) a victum of a bully and rapist. My heart goes out to you. I can't think of anything more inhuman and agree with you wholeheartedly that Mike Tyson is a thug and if it weren't for his skills in beating folks up he would most likely be doing time with other folks much like him who just weren't cursed with such attributes...

Bobert

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 10:22 AM

Both Tyson and Don King belong in jail. There are too many just causes to be of concern than to worry about these crooks.
                                  Obie

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: bengi
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 12:44 PM

Friends, Romans and Mudcaters, lend me your ears.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Nerd
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 01:38 PM

Well, Bobert I agree that in all probability he was fleeced by his handlers, but I would be surprised if it wasn't done legally; i.e. he signed power of attorney and/or other rights away and they used those rights and powers to make him "give" his money to them.

However, I don't agree with your other poits about "how many steaks can a guy eat?" There are plenty of ways for someone who had 500 million bucks to end up way in debt on their own. Trump is a good example; he's been at the top and at the bottom. One bad deal on a casino and your entire personal fortune can easily disappear. Even a giant yacht can bankrupt your average movie star if he is not careful!

Finally, I also agree that Iron Mike is washed up and that Boxing itself is a dreadful spectacle that ought to go.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Kim C
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 01:43 PM

YES.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: GUEST,reply from another rape victim
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 02:00 PM

WARNING...some of the content of this page may be OFFENSIVE .

Sociopathic heavyweight boxer.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 03:43 PM

He should go back to what his kind do best, picking cotton.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Peace
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 03:51 PM

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not I," says the referee,
"Don't point your finger at me.
I could've stopped it in the eighth
An' maybe kept him from his fate,
But the crowd would've booed, I'm sure,
At not gettin' their money's worth.
It's too bad he had to go,
But there was a pressure on me too, you know.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not us," says the angry crowd,
Whose screams filled the arena loud.
"It's too bad he died that night
But we just like to see a fight.
We didn't mean for him t' meet his death,
We just meant to see some sweat,
There ain't nothing wrong in that.
It wasn't us that made him fall.
No, you can't blame us at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not me," says his manager,
Puffing on a big cigar.
"It's hard to say, it's hard to tell,
I always thought that he was well.
It's too bad for his wife an' kids he's dead,
But if he was sick, he should've said.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?


"Not me," says the gambling man,
With his ticket stub still in his hand.
"It wasn't me that knocked him down,
My hands never touched him none.
I didn't commit no ugly sin,
Anyway, I put money on him to win.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not me," says the boxing writer,
Pounding print on his old typewriter,
Sayin', "Boxing ain't to blame,
There's just as much danger in a football game."
Sayin', "Fist fighting is here to stay,
It's just the old American way.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not me," says the man whose fists
Laid him low in a cloud of mist,
Who came here from Cuba's door
Where boxing ain't allowed no more.
"I hit him, yes, it's true,
But that's what I am paid to do.
Don't say 'murder,' don't say 'kill.'
It was destiny, it was God's will."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

Bob Dylan


Best version I ever heard was by Pete Seeger on his "We Shall Overcome" album recorded at Carnegie Hall.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Peace
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 03:57 PM

"He should go back to what his kind do best, picking cotton."

Eat shit!

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Peace
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 04:07 PM

How the hell can boxers pick cotton? They have boxing gloves on, you twit.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 04:15 PM

The Tyson/Williams fight was supposed to be a walkover for Tyson...If he loses to a rank outsider...a no-hoper..as Williams was considered, then he has lost any useful "career" pattern anyway. Tyson has lived disgracefully...hopefully he will retire gracefully.
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 04:21 PM

Woe, GUEST, a tad over the line, pal, even if said in jest...

No, make that way over the line...

Bobert

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 05:47 PM

GUEST post should be prompotly deleted, as should any indication that Mudcatters might somehow tolerate or offer voice to racists.

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 07:36 PM

I've just read his CV, posted by 'another... victim'

Seems he served only half his sentence for the rape, getting out after a 3 stretch. 2 years later he commits assault (the ear biting). The following year he assaults 2 motorists and 9 months later (in May 1999) gets 2 years jail for that. He can only have served half of that sentence too, because in 2000, he deliberately knocked out a referee during a match so he can continue beating his opponent.

Anyone see a pattern emerging here?

He has ceased to be a sportsman (like I ever thought boxing was a sport!), and is now just a thug. He was given his second chance and deliberately screwed it up. The man is sick. If he needs any help from anyone, it has to be a psyciatrist.

LTS

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 07:47 PM

"to what his kind do best"
    The fact that Tyson is an arsehole has nothing to do with his race, if that is what is meant. It would seem that perhaps our unnamed guest is an arsehole of a different stripe!

Subject: RE: Should Mike Tyson retire?
From: alanabit
Date: 02 Aug 04 - 09:43 PM

Actually, what Mr.Tyson seems to do best is to beat the daylights out of people. It just appears that the ranks of heavyweight boxing now contain a few less people whom he can do it to.
He has certainly brought plenty of trouble upon himself and been a terrifying figure to many others. He had a dreadful start in life, then focused it through boxing and then lost it completely when he suffered the devastating loss of close friends who had guided him away from the streets. I actually feel more contempt for those who flattered and then fleeced him in his glory days. That potted biography makes appalling reading, but it doesn't tell the whole story. I don't like the man, but I hope there is more ahead of him than a series of pitiful beatings.