BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: The Beast of Farlington
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:41 AM

'Hull Smoking Club Trips Out'

I don't think so.

Hur,hur, hur!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:44 AM

"Real men get cancer" (and so do the people sitting next to them).

Oyright prohibition wouldn't work, it never does. Stopping it in pub where food is on sale seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Nobody is saying people shouldn't smoke tobacco where it doesn't get in the face of other people. I wish they'd bring in a comparable policy on cannabis.

Why it's supposed to take four years to introduce this minor reform seems a bit hard to understand. It didn't take Ireland anything like that, and it won't take Scotalnd that long either. The three toed sloth should be made the national emblem for England...

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:00 AM

I wonder if public places will include Asda car parks? I saw a young woman on Saturday take her two small children to the car, which she had dilligently parked in the Mother/Child spot so the children were in no danger crossing the car park. She carefully strapped them in child restraints in the back so they were safe from other drivers. Got in herself, fastened the seat belt, closed the windows and then lit up a cigarette! I couldn't believe it. I was on the point of saying something when I realised that someone who puts the lives of her own children on the line is not likely to be a reasonable person...

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:01 AM

Ted, I have a right to smoke, people who do not smoke have a right not to be poisoned by my smoke. Fair enoughski by my reckoning

I don't have a problem with standing outside whilst I inflict damage upon myself, it seems to be working OK in Eire

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:09 AM

Would love to stop and chew this over with you all, but I have to pop out now to indulge in a spot of fox hunting. TTFN.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:13 AM

"A musician friend of mine has lung cancer. He has played in pubs and clubs for the past 30 years. He is a non-smoker."

A quote from Dr Brian Good in human cost to tobacco

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MMario
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:24 AM

Just to address Clinton's "I've never seen anyone die from hairspray or incense"

I haven't seen anyone die - but I have seen people spend three and four weeks in the hospital from short exposure (under 15 minutes) - I've seen people require medical attention from less then a minutes exposure. It is a major problem for a growing portion of the population.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:29 AM

In Ted's defence he does roll his own. Plus he likes harriWatts band. If driving is unsafe by the use of mobile phones and drinking from cans etc., then someone driving whilst sat in a cloud of smoke dropping hot ashes into their laps must also be classed as dangerous. Inhaling carbon monoxide in a confined space is a killer too. I just thought I'd mention that if anyone's got nowt better to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:24 AM

At one of the pubs which "Travelling Folk" used to sing in there was a notice on the wall which read something like:

When you smoke, the unpleasant waste product of your addiction gets into my lungs, hair, and clothes and also the upholstery and fabric of the room itself. I don't smoke myself, but I am partial to a few pints of beer. I have to admit that my habit also has a waste product. How would you like it if after a few jars, I was to pee all over your hair and clothes ?

This atitude of the landlord did seem to cut down the amount of fug quite considerably, without itseemed damaging his trade or the conviviality of the establishment. Unfortunately the pub has been under new management for some years now and is now a very smoky venue.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:24 AM

J'ai eu assez de vous des hippies mais au lieu de partir dans une colere, je protesterai en signalant seulment en francais!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:38 AM

I'm not too sure that was actually what the French would recognise as being French.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:41 AM

Your being very polite McGrath - its complete bollocks cholera disappeared years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:52 AM

Etes vous Francais aussi McGrath?

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:01 PM

Amidst all the smoke and confusion, may a mere smoker cite a few facts?

When I buy my rolling tobacco in the UK, the pouch carries warnings in bold black letters on white labels. One warns that tobacco contains benzine. Nasty stuff benzine. The Auschwitz doctors used to kill off their experimental victims with a needle of benzine. Unfortunately, it can be found in petrol and diesel fumes.

The UK National Radiological Ptotection Board ( a government body) has recently issued figures showing that, of every 1,000 cases of lung cancer in the UK, 30 are caused by smoking, 3 by natural radon emissions from the ground and .3 by 'passive smoking'. That suggests that passive smoking is not the dread danger it was thought to be.

Where do the other 900-odd cases come from? Could it be motor vehicle fumes? Are cars going to be banned in the interests of public health? Are those who object to cigarette smoke going to stop driving cars so that we don't have to breathe their deadly benzine?

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:13 PM

"It is a major problem for a growing portion of the population."

Ummm... I find that very hard to believe... besides... a few people getting sick a year hardly compares to the hundreds of thousands of people who die every year from smoking, (direct and 2nd hand)

Nor can one 'tailor' the world for every special case...   So I'm afraid I have no alternative but to dismiss your 'angle', sorry...

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:20 PM

I support the Ban, however if people want to kill themselves with smoking do it somewhere else. However what about these people the drive cars and such like that pollute the athomsphere, which will end up killing everyone.
I would rather has smoke than no Air. but ban it anyway, because I think it's good for you health. which is better your health or your wealth.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:29 PM

Are cars going to be banned in the interests of public health? Are those who object to cigarette smoke going to stop driving cars so that we don't have to breathe their deadly benzine?

Not this old chestnut again! Sorry Barrie, it just doesn't work that way. There are thousands, if not millions, of things out there that can kill you. The vast majority we have no control over at all. The next lot, like the infernal combustion engine, we do have some control over but are very difficult to do anything about. Burning of fossil fules will be banned eventualy but at the moment we have no real alternative. Until we do it is a very necessary evil. The remainder of things that can kill you are usualy drug related. These we CAN do something about very simply and very easily - so we do!

Live with it. We will kill people in our cars until a good alternative arrives. We have no excuse at all for killing people simply for our own pleasure!

I used to hand-roll btw - and it is one of the few exceptions I would make! The 'output' is nothing compared to a tailor made. I am also surprised to see that benzine is in there - I thought it was only added to store boughts, along with saltpetre, to make them burn quicker?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:48 PM

Strikes me that people who make a fuss about having to pop outside to smoke, which is the polite thing to do anyway, are just whinging. What's the big deal?

And in any case it looks like there'll still be smoking pubs, so long as they don't serve food. The best pub I know doesn't serve food anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:12 PM

Dave --- of course cars aren't going to be banned in the interests of health. All I am suggesting is that people who drive them should be the last to criticise smokers, since their wretched, out-of-date smoke machines are doing far more harm.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Chris Green
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:19 PM

Speaking as a smoker, I actually welcome the ban. I've tried to give up before, but pubs are the one place I find it really, really difficult. Perhaps this'll help me pack it in once and for all!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:26 PM

Any time you feel the urge to smoke is getting too much, just pop down the pub. It should make quitting much more enjoyable.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: ard mhacha
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:26 PM

It is working in Ireland, no matter what some of the miserable Publicians say, it is a breath of fresh air to enter a Pub and not be met with a stinking smoggy atmosphere, c`mon the rest of the world and take this brave step.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:29 PM

I was a two pack a day smoker for a long time until 8 years ago when I completely quit.

My singing voice has never been better.

I wish they would ban it everywhere, especially outside in public places.

There is a favorite beach community I vacation in and it is disgusting to have my fresh air contaminated by smokers.

However, I completely understand that it is a major addiction and people should do whatever they can to get off of cigarettes.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Chris Green
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:34 PM

McGrath - you're a genius, sir! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:40 PM

All I am suggesting is that people who drive them should be the last to criticise smokers, since their wretched, out-of-date smoke machines are doing far more harm.

Sigh...

I keep trying to explain but perhaps it is me not being clear enough. Wretched out-of-date smoke machines they may be but what is the alternative? Give me a good alternative way to travel to every inaccesible corner of the UK carrying boxes of computer equipment and I will give up my car tomorrow. Give me a way of getting 40 kilograms of HP server from Manchester to Cambridge on my own without taking all day and I will take it.

Stopping smokers killing non-smokers is dead easy. Come up with a feasible alternative transport system and you will be the saviour of mankind!

Good luck in your quest for a perfect world;-)

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:45 PM

Cars have killed more people in North America than all the wars in the 20th Century....

Smoking has killed even more than that...

And well, we're likely to simply run out of fossle fuel LONG before we run out of tobacco...

And as stated above, like it or not, the automobile is a necessity for modern life... a cigarette isn't...

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 03:31 PM

However, it's not about making cars or smoking illegal; rather, it's about smokers going elsewhere to smoke. As a bachelor, I don't smoke in the house, anyway. I go sit outside. If people object, I will smoke inside. Easy. Not a big deal.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 04:29 PM

And if they come to where I am and tell me the smoke bothers them, I tell them to take a good walk, because that's the polite thing to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 04:36 PM

Pretty soon no drinking and no talking. Be like the library!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 05:13 PM

I grew up in a house full of smoke, and always hated it....In my lifetime I have see things go from cigarette butts and smoke everywhere to seeing CLEAN floors in markets and most bars.

If smoking had never been invented, and some company came along tomorrow and wanted to market this weed you dried, chopped up, wrapped in paper and set alight, then inhaled the smoke....you KNOW what the various health agencies in the developed world would say after testing it. "No way, folks...that stuff is full of poisons!"
The only reason it isn't totally banned now is that they get so many taxes from it, and they don't want all those serious smokers running around having fits and becoming social problems as they try to quit cold turkey!

I wish I was gonna live to see the last tobacco plant chopped up and ritually burned....downwind.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 05:31 PM

Every library I've been in for the last 20 years has put that stupid "No talking" rule in the trash where it belongs

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 06:55 PM

I wish I could find a library that had a bar. Though in a way, I have. Our local Wetherspoon's pub has a wall of old books, some of them pretty good. The only trouble is, you are half way trough something, but when you come back next time, someone has half-inched it.

It's in the non-smoking part too - though the smoke doesn't read the notices.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: jacqui.c
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 07:52 PM

Kendall here.
Actually, the saying goes, A smoking section in a public place is like a pissing section in a swimming pool.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: John Routledge
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:04 PM

As well as tax revenue implications the Brewer's Lobby in the UK is powerful even by US standards.:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:21 PM

There is a bra like that in Edmonton called The Library. It houses a few walls of books and people go there to have a few and read whatever catches their fancy. Does a good business--it's been there for years. (Rather, it was there last time I noticed about five or six years back.)

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:24 PM

I just noticed a typo which the more astute will see immediately. Freud at work I suspect, me having just finished posting to the Naked Older Women thread. Was completely accidental. LOLLOLLOL

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:27 PM

I used to love to smoke, and I still crave a cigarette now and then. I gave up ten years ago, and I think I've cheated and had two or three since then.

Smoking has been widely restricted here in California for almost twenty years, and now it's heavily taxed. If it weren't restricted, I don't know if I would have been able to quit. I'm glad the laws restrict it so much.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: HuwG
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 02:19 AM

I recall John Cleese (of "Monty Python", "Fawlty Towers" etc) in an advertisement against smoking.

"This is how much ash someone who smokes twenty cigarettes a day makes". (Empties an urn onto a table.) "Of course, not all of them are cremated. Some of them are buried."



Of course, the ill effects of smoking can be freakishly random. My paternal grandfather smoked a pipe almost non-stop, all his adult life. He nearly made it to ninety, still quite hale, before succumbing to something which had nothing to do with smoke inhalation. My father smoked one or two cigarettes a fortnight, and suffered chronic bronchitis for years. If there is one reason I never started smoking, it is childhood memories of being shoulder-charged out of the bathroom doorway on some mornings as my father rushed to cough up the entire contents of his thorax.


My brother stopped smoking entirely when his eldest child (a daughter) was born. Perhaps that's why she became a vegan ?

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: C-flat
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 02:39 AM

In 2003, the W.H.O. issued figures which said that the biggest killer throughout the world was "Work related accidents"......So why don't they ban work???????

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 04:30 AM

So why don't they ban work???????

Yayyyyy!!! Let's start a campaign:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: MBSLynne
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 08:22 AM

el_punkoid_nouveau also gave up smoking entirely when I was pregnant with our first child. Still can't understand how anyone, no matter how addicted they are, can smoke around their children. Or anyone else's children for that matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 08:30 AM

Good afternoon everyone,
                        Just returned from an excellent days fox hunting. We bagged two of the blighters.Smoking can prove to be awkward whilst on horseback as the tobacco tends fall out of my pipe at full gallop. But yesterday I tried out my new briar, which has a perforated silver top. I stuffed it full of glorious St.Bruno and lit up. You will be pleased to learn that said top was excellent at tobacco retention, and I puffed away peacefully all day.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:59 AM

Keep yer puffs to yerself ST.

I always thought there was something iffy about the bloke on the bruno adds. Not everyone has big bald butch blokes following them round. I do, but I put that down to the fox urine...

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:04 AM

http://www.roalddahlfans.com/anthologies/puffcover1.php

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:17 AM

Quatre-vingt dix cinq.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 04:08 PM

Go on then, ted, I'll help you along a bit...

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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 04:09 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Gypsy
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:22 PM

when i smoked it was outside......only courteous, and sure kept the windows cleaner. Have been a nonsmoker for quite some time, and yes, as well as cigs being outside, so should be perfume! Stuff knocks me right on my can when an overly perfumed patient comes in the office.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:31 PM

Farts should be banned, too. Especially farts after a few days of beer, pickled eggs and peanuts. That's just my opinion. I don't expect to receive fan mail about this topic.

The thing is, one has to wonder if farts are wet and lumpy. Sometimes it's just too late to tell. Therefore, BAN FARTS.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK)
From: el_punkoid_nouveau
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 03:06 AM

As MBSL pointed out, I used to smoke. I worked in London at the time that smoking was banned on the Underground - overnight, it became immensely cleaner and more pleasant.

Nobody stopped using it. They (I) had a fag outside before and after the journey.

Nobody has stopped using air travel because they can't smoke.

I have now realised that a) anyone has the right to smoke and harm themselves b) everyone has the right not to smoke and harm themselves and c)every right has a responsibility with it - in the case of smokers, not to harm any one else, and for non-smokers not to preach at smokers!

One of the reasons, however, that I now actually dislike going into pubs is that I come out stinking of stale fag smoke. Another is that I have to breathe other peoples second hand smoke - and farts are preferable, because they rarely last as long.

So I will be happy if it is banned inside pubs etc., but will find the little knots of smokers quite amusing:-)

epn