BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: susu
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 11:08 PM

Bill D, my first thought when I saw that pic was So it is true, the way to a mans heart is through his stomach! but thats just me. Susu

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 10:54 PM

Tricky Dick Nixon had a secret plan, too, & that one worked a real treat.

What's needed is a little less faith (and Faith) and a lot more attention to fact & reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 10:36 PM

Chongo regards Bush as an extremely loose cannon. He says Bush kind of reminds him of Dutch Shulz. He liked Bill Clinton. He doesn't like Hillary for some reason, though. He was almost completely uninterested in Kerry.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 10:25 PM

Ask Chongo if he feels better knowing Bush has a plan.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 10:20 PM

Mao had a plan too, didn't he? :-) Pol Pot had a plan. Saddam Hussein had a plan. Most dictators have a plan. I pity a dictator who doesn't have a plan. I don't think George IIIrd of England had one...or maybe it was more that he just didn't have a clue...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 09:16 PM

I for one am comforted to know that Bush has a plan.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 08:23 PM

Larry K,

Intelligence quotient tests bear no relationship to ability to apply common sense to a problem. Most geniuses are smart only in a narrow area of knowledge, and may often be so bad in other areas, that they would, in those ares, qualify as stupid. I would suggest, for Dubya, that running a country, and dealing with other nations fall within that category.

Carol C,

I agree with you entirely. I don't hate him. He simply scares the shit out of me while he controls the warmaking capabilities of the USA.

If I met him in some other capacity, I might quite like the guy, odd tho' that might seem.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Nerd
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 08:21 PM

Yeah, LarryK is right. Historians think of Carter as one of the least moral Presidents.

Come ON, LarryK!

Here is another of LarryK's lies:

According to the NY Times (that right wing newspaper) Bush has a higher IQ than Clinton.

In fact, the Times said nothing of the kind. They interviewed a guy who claims he is adept at estimating IQs from other tests--Bush never had his IQ tested, but he did take similar tests in the National Guard. This guy claimed that Bush had an IQ "about the same" as KERRY, not Clinton, who is smarter than either of them. Sorry, LarryK!

The problem with the analysis is that it is based on tests the two ment took at age 22. Since then, Bush has been an alcoholic and possibly a cocaine addict. This damages the brain.

I'm not saying that Bush is or isn't dumb; I'm just saying it is quite plausible that he is now less intelligent than he was when the test was taken.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 07:48 PM

And...the glorious juggernaught of partisan politics rolls on...! With the usual folks lined up on either side of it. :-)

How can Bush "defeat terrorism" when he's engaging in it himself?

Remember: the "terrorist" is ALWAYS on the other side. That's how it works. Hitler invaded Poland to stop terrorism too. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 06:00 PM

Larry K's post is quite accurate.

have to say the responses to it were all pretty lame.

Nice going as usual, Larry K

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 05:57 PM

Come on, DougR, Larry K and whoever else. Dubya's problem is not with his tongue but is settled much farther back in his head. His brain may be smart- the verdict is not in - but his mind is seriously scrambled.

If anyone of us on Mudcat found ourselves unable to explain a pet issue any better than that, you would have a scoff fest, with good reason.

As for Reagan, he too may have been smart at some time in his life - but it wasn't during the time he was president. Europeans were aware of his problem long before Americans were. Our 'liberal' media shielded him from us very effectively.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 02:57 PM

Larry: He has a PLAN? Cool.That settles it then. Bush has a plan.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 11:35 AM

He may not be stupid, Larry K, but he sure as hell doesn't have any real understanding of what he's talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 11:24 AM

According to the NY Times (that right wing newspaper) Bush has a higher IQ than Clinton.   We also know that scored higher on his verbas SAT than Rhodes Scholar Bill Bradley. Yet hollywood high school dropouts and mudcatters call him stupid.   They also called Reagan stupid.

While democrats are focusing on blocking Social Security changes, and blocking judicial nominees, he is getting all of his agenda passed.   If you disagree- name the last democratic bill or initiative that has passed.    Lets see- Reagan defeated communism and took down the Berlin Wall.   Bush freed 50 million people and changed the face of the Middle East.   Clinton passed don't ask don't tell.   Nixon has watergate, and Carter wore a sweater and explained why we had long gas lines and hostages in Iran.   I think I prefer the "stupid" guy.   I don't think we can survive more of the brilliant presidents.

When I think of presidential embarrassements you can't help but think of Jimmy lust in my heart Carter, and William I never had sex with that woman Clinton.   Historians have already rated tham as the most inept and the lowest moral (with Nixon) presidents.    If Bush indeed changes the face of the Middle East and defeats terrorism, he may have a place on Mount Rushmore.   (next to Reagan)

As Doug said- Bush hasn't presented his plan yet.   I am sure that you will be against it- whatever it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:53 AM

We don't hate him, DougR. At least I don't. But not hating him isn't going to stop me from noticing when things aren't right.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:40 AM

Most passionate statements are statements of faith, when it comes right down to it... :-)

Doug has faith in GW. Many of us don't. GW no doubt has faith in various things too, and it would be interesting to know what they are, as that would help explain why he does the things he does and says the things he says.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:00 AM

The sky's not falling, Doug, but the world ain't in such good shape. That worries many people, myself included. I will likely be dead by the time oil shortages hit and the Neocons control the whole thing, but my children won't, and that worries me very much. Bush ain't wrapped too tight, IMO, and I do not like those who pull his strings.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 11:47 PM

Are you for real?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: DougR
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 11:41 PM

Moan, groan, bitch and wail. I think it's probably good therapy for you Bush haters. I hope you are all marching regularly in protests too, because walking is a healthy thing to do.

Meanwhile, the sky is falling.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 10:30 PM

Very good points, GUEST, petr... Yeah, according to recent articles in the Washington Post, Bush;s plan will almost insure that the folks at the lower end of the earnings scale will indeed diem uch the way their great, great grand-parents did: in abject poverty...

Welcome to George Bush's "Compassionate Conservatism" whcih loosly translates to, ahhhhhh, "If you didn't want to die in poverty you should have picked rich parents".....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 08:18 PM

(according to a recent nyorker article) social security will not go into
deficit spending until 30 years from now..
of course Bush has made it a priority to reform the system, by making it seem as if there is a looming crisis, mainly due to the boomers set to retire soon..
(of course the looming budgetary crisis, thanks to Bush's overspending combined with the tax cuts to the richest 10%, etc etc is conveniently ignored)

those who are in favor of social security reform, often quote the Republican line of getting control over ones savings, to be able to invest them in the stock market (never mind all the recent financial scandals and busts weve had recently) are also under the impression they will be able to take out the money whenever they want. NOt so..
once you reach retirement age, whats in your retirement account will be paid out on a monthly basis..

the irony is that the ones it will hurt the most are those in the red states who rely on their social security more.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 02:47 PM

Don, you are not alone. We continue to hope that his next few years simply 'go by' and that no further harm is done to this planet. But I fear that will not be the case. I am amazed that his keepers allow him out in public without duct taping his mouth. He seems to have a poor connection with reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 02:43 PM

The list of Bushisms is seemingly endless, but this is not an eccentric adademic a la Dr. Spooner. This is the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.

I don't want to be on this planet on the day that a general asks "Mr. President, shall I tell them to push the button?".

Am I the only person who is terrifed by that possibility?

DT

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 01:27 PM

It looks genuine enough to me. It reads to me as if he has got hold of some "key phrases" and has strung them together in haphazard fashion without having a clue as to what he is talking about.

And that's probably exactly how it happened, too. Bush gets his "talking points" fed to him by Carl Rove (or someone like him) through an earpiece.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: harpgirl
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 08:17 AM

DougR...your defense of Bush as having a speech impediment is hilarious.

Why don't you explain what Bush's ideas are on how to eliminate governmental involvement in protecting the American people in their old age? Since he can't.

Could you survive financially without your Social Security pension and your wife's ?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 07:32 AM

Thanks Brucie. It looks genuine enough to me. It reads to me as if he has got hold of some "key phrases" and has strung them together in haphazard fashion without having a clue as to what he is talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 01:53 AM

We got it in an e-mail and the source was not included.

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 12:36 AM

Jon, it takes a few secs to load. This is the source, I think.

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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 07:12 PM

Is this one genuine? There seem to be a few comments here that indicate it is but that is almost unbelivable.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 06:44 PM

DonWYZT, that is exactly right. It seems quite credible that Bush was chosen for that very reason: the fact that he does not have a coherent thought in his head unless it is fed to him. He is getting better at spouting in a controlled environment but he has not yet reliably learned the words to the official message.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 06:06 PM

Hi Doug,

Speech impediment is it? After reading through the long list of totally inane comments attributed to your pres, I'd have to say it's a lot more than his speech that's not working properly.


The passage quoted above is not the poor delivery of one who has trouble with words, but more like the incoherent ramblings of one whose cognitive processes are scrambled. The world should be very afraid when the only remaining superpower is led by such a man. IMHO he is at least as dangerous to world peace as Osama bin Laden, and much more likely to destroy the Western world.



DT.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 03:58 PM

I'd like to hear from more of the British 'Catters on this one. If I'm not mistaken, the UK tried this "personal accounts' thing (or something very much like it) back when Lady Thatcher was still the Prime Minister. It is now coming to light that it has achieved exactly the opposite of what its proponents claimed for it. Further, one of the most strident voices in the push to correct the mistake is Lady Thatcher herself.

Stephen Lee

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: DougR
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 01:27 PM

DT: Bush has a speach impediment. His delivery is not as slick as Slick Willy's was, and nowhere near as good as Tony Blair's. In case you are not aware of it, however, such a handicap does not reflect on one's intelligence, and Bush is no dummy.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 08:06 AM

Next election time you should all put aside your republican/democrat differences and concentrate on electing an English speaking president. In the UK Dubya would fail the recruitment test for the post of Janitor to a local council, which is a pity, as he would not be able to do quite so much damage there.

What a shame our own home grown halfwit has his head so far up Dubya's arse, that he can't hear the nonsense being spewed forth.

Two villages, one each side of the Atlantic, are missing their idiots.

DT.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 07:15 PM

Jay Leno (Sorry, Bill D!) said that the president has offered his plan for revamping Social Security- he took the 'Security' out of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 05:07 PM

Sorry, Bill. Milk the cow until it's dry--and then slaughter it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 05:02 PM

Doug:

You're probably right that nothing you write will change our opinion of W. You're definitely right that he has been very effective. He has accomplished a lot in his first term. In fact, it his effectiveness that worries us!

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: DougR
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 03:32 PM

Yes, Bev. and Jerry, I am aware of everything you wrote in your last post. And I realize that nothing I write will change your opinion of George W. Bush. I belive, though, that history will show that Bush has been right, far more times than he has been wrong. Warts and all, I think he is a very effective President.

As to the Iraq war, if anyone is so blind that they cannot see what is transpiring in the Middle-East, and the role Bush has played in that scenario, then I think there is little hope for them. Those who don't will just go on harping about the fact that WMD were not found, in Iraq and gripe about the war was about nothing but oil.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 01:55 AM

Doug:

We didn't say he's a dunce. We don't think he's a dunce. Lies a lot, but not a dunce. The point is that he's an embarassment to us. We've been around a long time a we can't remember any American president who was an embarassment whenever he appeared in public unless he's reading a speech. Please don't bring up Clinton. He had extra-marital affairs as have several recent presidents but the only embarassment came when the republicans forced it out into the open.

And as for the plan for fixing social secruity, you're absolutely right that he has not presented a plan for fixing it. He has, however, made countless speeches in which he first says social security is going "bankrupt" and then proceeds to try to sell his plan for private accounts as though that was a plan to fix it. Only recently, when asked the direct question, has he admitted that private accounts won't help the "bankruptcy" situation one bit.

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: DougR
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 01:18 AM

Incidentially, Bush has not presented a plan. He has only presented portions of programs that he believes would strengthen SS for younger people. He is leaving it to Congress to develop a plan, and has stated that he is open to any suggestions. So far, the only "plan" the Democrats have proposed is to object to any ideas the President proposes.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: DougR
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 01:16 AM

Bev and Jerry: you are correct. George W. is a terrible extemporanious speaker. In informal situations, he does not handle himself well. That does not mean, however, that he is a dunce. Oh that we all were perfect.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 11:01 PM

ya' lost me, brucie...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 09:53 PM

Doesn't get much clearer than this.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 08:36 PM

"A compassionate conservative searching for his heart"

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 07:59 PM

Bill... "The best way to a man's heart is through his stomach"?

There's something about that picture of him with Putin that just doesn't look right.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 07:54 PM

there are lots of pics posted...some you have no doubt seen

charming the Kremlin
boring the Pope
but I think this may be my favorite in many ways
captions welcome...I can't think of one

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 07:31 PM

If I were a college professor and a student turned in a paper with this response it would get a D.... at best.

It has been said that C students run the world but, ahhhh, D students?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 06:45 PM

Every once in a while there's a camera angle from the side and you can see his feet. One is usually on the floor and the other up with his leg bent at the knee. After a while he shifts to standing on the other foot - just like a nervous kid who doesn't want to be speaking here.

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Wesley S
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 04:49 PM

And he leans on the podium. He doesn't even stand up straight. He looks to me like a high school student that has to deliver a book report.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Clarifies His Social Security Plan
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 03:56 PM

Aside from all of his other shortcomings which have been amply pointed out on this forum, W simply looks bad when he makes a public appearance. If he is reading a speech, like the state of the union or his inaugaral address, he appears fine. But if he has to speak extemperaneously, like in a press comference or answering questions from anyone, he can't even make a complete sentence.

He looks especially bad when he appears with some other world leader or diplomat. They always appear smooth and prepared while Bush is fumbling around. When he speaks jointly with Tony Blair, who is used to answering questions in parliament and is very smooth (especially when he's lying), Bush looks especially bad. And his appearance at Buckingham Palace with the queen was laughable.

Bev and Jerry