BS: Bobert's Race Thread

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 11:24 AM

Hush up there, Koonta. This is MUDCAT-

No facts that might contradict what Bobert and his ubermensch want to prove is allowed to be brought up.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: GUEST,Koonta
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 08:14 AM

Whatcha gots to 'member is it wuz not whiteys but Africans that cought and sol other Africans to tha slave trader ta begin wif:

African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade. The slave trade devastated African life. Culture and traditions were torn asunder, as families, especially young men, were abducted. Guns were introduced and slave raids and even wars increased.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 07:28 AM

Yeah, d, Martin is the poster boy for hypocrisy...

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 12:26 AM

Funny how someone who cries anti-semitism at the drop of a hat feels free to consider others trailer trash, hippies, commies, etc. It doesn't leave a whole lot of room for respect. It make me wonder why he thinks he's entitiled to more respect than he gives to others.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 11:18 PM

Don't expect an intellegent response, Wizzer.... MG is not capable... But yeah, you are right... It ain't about where one lives but what lives in one's heart....

Bobert

p.s. I've had just about 'nuff of Martin and getting ready to blockin' him out until he starts applying a few more brain cells into debating his postions and less about his racist generalizations...

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 11:09 PM

MG, in these parts, some of our hardest working folks live in trailers. It's considered a respectable dwelling, and most folks in them take very good care of their homes. Hardscrabble country, but lots and lots of people who are the salt of the earth. Not too hard to see that some of them would be Jews-- honorable people whose word is good. Small numbers for sure-- not enough in this sparse rural county for a synagogue-- but they are out there.

No shit.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 11:03 PM

Too bad having that real job hasn't given you any sense of self-respect. If it did, you wouldn't need to put other people down in order to feel good about yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 11:00 PM

Awwwwwwww, how touching.

I'm going to bed now.

Have a real job that I have to get up in the morning for.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 10:53 PM

JtS worked very hard to get where he was when I met him. And at that time, he was earning more than $100,000 a year. These days he is working even harder than he was then... lately he's been putting in fifteen hour days in a new kind of work he's trying out. Somtimes, no matter how hard you work, things just don't go your way. And it might take us some time to get back on our feet again and figure out what is the best thing for us to be doing. But the people who are capable and resourceful, and not afraid of being made fun of for living within their means... those are the ones who can hold their heads up and feel good about themselves no matter what.

And it was JtS' resourcefulness that has enabled us to get by while we work on establishing ourselves in our new kinds of work. He was wise and smart enough to save a lot of money while he was still working with computer software. I've very proud to be married to someone as resourceful, intelligent, and competent as he is.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 10:31 PM

bobert, man some of your true colors sure came out.

You are as phony as they come.

Susan, I have traveled many, many backroads in this country in just about every state. I am sure that the amount of Jews who belong to organized Judaism and keep it as part of their lives living in trailer courts or for that matter, much of rural America is infantisimil(sp).

No, there really is no shame living in a trailer court if it is clean and a good home. But I am sure that people who really care, would work harder to better themselves. I'll bet the bluegrass is decent though.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 09:58 PM

Trailer courts serve their purpose, Martin. There is no shame in living in one. For us, it is a good way to get back on our feet after most of the jobs in JtS' area of expertise (computer software consultant) got shipped to other countries. For many of the other people who live in this trailer park, it is a convenient place to live while they put in their time serving their country at the Fort Benning army base.

I don't experience any shame for the fact that we are living here for the time being (or even if we found ourselves needing to stay here). The foolish people are the ones who live beyond their means and beyond the circumstances in which they find themselvs just to impress others, or who allow their sense of self worth to be defined by their material circumstances.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:24 PM

Don't hold yer breath, Wizzie, but it *would* do Martin a world of good to expand his horizons...

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:20 PM

MG,

All the Jews I have known were working class and in some cases, working poor. Close friends among these lived, as I did, in the suburban slum surrounding the old Sky Harbor airport. If there had been a trailer court there, we'd have been there, side by side-- my house smelling of oven-broiled cheeseburgers, and theirs of kasha.

Now I live where there are a LOT of trailers. My focus now (as you know) is church stuff, and those ministries leave little time for a personal life or friends of other cultural backgrounds. However, although our area has very few people who identify as Jewish, they-- like many othter folks in the county-- live on farms and/or in houses, apartments, and-- yep-- trailers.

What this tells me is that like most groups that identify to a cultural commonality of some sort, Jews are a pretty diverse lot.

Of course for you to really believe me, I guess you'd have to come to a Mudcat Gathering here sometime, and we could do a driving tour of various trailerhoods and count mezuzahs (sp???). But then your identity would be "outed," because I would not give you directions till I'd gotten you to take an order for good Chicago dogs to bring along with you! :~)

"Outed" or not, I hope you'll come to one sometime. Lotta bluegrass here, too, so I think we could keep you entertained.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:17 PM

They also came with a rich culture and with education and they came freely, not bound and tied in the bowels of ships... And they could choose where they lived... And they weren't terrorized with a century's worth of Jim Crow...

Get real... No comparasion at all... You are showing your your lack of understanding about history here... Some of it very recent history...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: mg
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:09 PM

Good heavens Bobert...they came here to American and certainly were not well off. They were tailors and rag collectors and bone collectors and many other things as well. They lived in putrid slums. The cycle of poverty can and has been broken. That is not to blame anyone in it...but the message that has to be given is that it can be broken. Main ingredients have been found to finish high school, stay off drugs and alcohol and don't be involved in pregnancy outside of marriage. That is the recipe. No guarantees it always works, but pretty good guarantees if you want a prescription for poverty start with the above. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 07:03 PM

In America, Martin, Jews seem to come from families that are well off... That's a big advantage for a kid... No so for kids born into poverty...

Poverty is a self perpetuating cycle...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 04:31 PM

In America, CarolC., Jews seem to work harder to have more than a trailer court lifestyle for their children.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Once Famous
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 04:30 PM

CarolC.

Don't be stupid. In America there are not Jews living in trailer courts. In Israel, which is still a DEVEOLPING COUNTRY I do not think it would be unusual.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 03:15 PM

Thanks, Carol.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: GUEST,NASCAR Foe
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 01:04 PM

And I thought this was a thread about that beer drinkin', hot dog eatin', cigar smokin' mainly white, Bobert kind of pastime, knowed as NASCAR. A all completely different kind of race.

Grand Prix (no pun intended)

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 12:54 PM

Ok. I've been to my PMs. It looks like it's been cleared up.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 12:32 PM

I don't have any way of finding out right now, Wysiwyg, because I am here through the back door and I don't have access to my PMs.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 09:15 AM

CarolC, I would hope our PMs have cleared up the misunderstanding?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 01:23 AM

Addendum to my last post. In my 16 Apr 05 - 01:12 PM post, I said this:

My point in this thread is that one thing we can do to help remedy the problems for African Americans that have been created by slavery and intitutionalized racism

And that seems to contradict what I said in my last post. I think that is confusing and needs to be clarified. The subject of this thread is race. My first post not race specific, but I do recognize that because this thread is about race, the part of my point that is relevant to this thread is the part that addresses the benefits of these programs for African Americans. Had this been a thread about any other exploited peoples, my post would have been just as relevant, and that is how I intended it to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 01:12 AM

I don't understand what you are trying to get at, Wysiwyg. Is there something wrong with other people besides Black people benefitting from programs like Head Start? If there is, I surely can't figure out what it might be. And who is to say that those poor white kids don't come from exploited peoples? "Exploited peoples" is, after all, the term I used. I did not say anything about race in my post.

Here is the exact wording I used:

I don't have any good answers on the subject of reparations, but I do think we owe it to the people who come from families of exploited peoples to provide them with the best education possible.

I really can't understand why you would be making an issue out of what I have said in my post.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Apr 05 - 09:37 PM

CarolC, are the poor white folks in my area exploited? That's who Head Start serves here.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Apr 05 - 08:12 PM

Actually, if we would support and fully fund many of the programs that came out of the Great Society this would go a loong way toward leveling the playing field... Plus, these are programs that help the cross section of those living in poverty, including ingiginous people and white livin' in Appilacia...

Now, throw in a guarenteed nation income and we're off an' running...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 16 Apr 05 - 01:12 PM

It is and it isn't, WYSIWYG.

First of all, I did not use the word race in my post. The term I used was "exploited peoples". My point in this thread is that one thing we can do to help remedy the problems for African Americans that have been created by slavery and intitutionalized racism, is to give those who have been the vicitms of this the best education possible. Head Start can help to do this. It can also help to neutralize some of the harmful effects of exploitation of other peoples as well, and that is a good thing, but it is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make in my post. I don't understand why that would need to be an issue or even need explaining. It seems kind of obvious to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Apr 05 - 08:36 AM

Head Start is about INCOME, not RACE.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: John Hardly
Date: 16 Apr 05 - 08:05 AM

My friend (and banjo player in my trio) was doing his doctoral research in Africa. While living there he applied for a driver's license.

He came to the part of the application that referred to "color". Uncertain, he looked to his left and right at two dark-skinned men who stood there filling out similar forms and noticed that one had put down "yellow" while the other had marked "red".

Further puzzled, being American, and therefore assuming that by "color" they were referring to "race", but seeing two blacks fill in red and yellow instead, he went to the desk and asked the clerk what he was supposed to put in this blank.

The clerk looked at him for a second or two and then called over his supervisor. The supervisor asked my friend to show him the undersides of his arms and, when my friend did, said, "white, very".

Seems that what was necessary for the purposes of identification was description, not affiliation.

If a dark-skinned man is found unconscious and admitted to the hospital that way, by what logic is he "African-American"? Without an ability to tell you otherwise, why could he not be Jamaican or Canadian or British or...

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 10:58 PM

Thanks for the slack, Azizi. I was no way hinting that your written English was not quite standard. I was wondering just the opposite. I wondered if your oral language and your written language were the same. I know that my oral language is quite different. When writing, however, I can usually edit and clean it up so that its easier for most folks to read.

Most of the novels I was referring to were written long ago and set in a period even older. Although it was hard to understand at first, I truly enjoyed the dialect and the sensibility of authors who wrote in the words of their people. I hope that African Americans continue to use their own spicy language. It is one of the things I miss most about the U.S.

Yes, you are right - it is now African American but when I lived in the States it was Afro-American. In Canada we don't use that term because so many people here are from the Caribbean, Haiti and elsewhere. We mostly just call them neighbors.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 05:33 PM

but I doubt if there's been many Jewish trailer court residents

You could be right about that, Martin, but only if you don't count any of the many thousands of Israeli settlers who live in trailer courts (and sometimes in tents) in the West Bank and Gaza as being Jewish.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 05:25 PM

I wouldn't want to disturb you from listening to your Reba records.

I knew Bubba Cohen. He tried to re-attach his foreskin.

we don't want him back.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 05:20 PM

but I doubt if there's been many Jewish trailer court residents.
I know a few. Can't say I've done analysis statistically on 'em, but Bubba Cohen is okay with me. Pays his taxes, talks good on movies we seen, and is all around a good ol' soul from the navel out in ever direction!

And I've done time in trailers more'n oncet and it never hurt me none. Just gotta be familiar with flame retardant undies.

and if my trailer's a rockin' don't come knockin' or I'll wrap your martin around your gilbert.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 03:58 PM

Of course there were some Jewish slave traders, CarolC. there were also Hindu, ones, Moslem ones, and probably even some who prayed to the Great god Calu on the planet Mongo.

but I doubt if there's been many Jewish trailer court residents.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 02:43 PM

Dianavan, see my comments in the brackets to the questions yyou asked me:

"Do you write the way you speak [Yes. Of course-like everyone else- the way I speak depends on the context. I consider posting on Mudcat to be an informal pastime. And my writing reflects that. Sometimes I am more formal than this, and sometimes I am less formal.]

or do you clean it up to sound a little closer to standard English?"
['a little closer to standard English'!??!..Dianavan, because you're cool with me, girlfirend, I'll give you some slack for the implication that my writing might need to be 'cleaned up' or that my writing is only 'close to Standard English'.

LOL!! It's all good.

I think my writing and speech IS standard...True, I like hip-hop slang and other Black folk sayings and I sprinkle some of them in my writing and talking here and there to enhance the flava. But I know that I'm doing it and it's real.. Anyway, it seems to me that using slang and folk sayings is a standard practice in informal converations and writing for some individuals regardless of race or ethnicity].

"I know that most of the novels written by Afro-American women use the Afro-American speech patterns." [I'm not really in to novels as much as I am non-fiction..So I can't confirm that 'most' African American [the current correct referent] use any particular form of African American speech pattern. However, since there are soooo many different African American communities-regions/class/ethnicity etc-
I would rather doubt that all or most African Americans female
{or male} novelists use the same speech patterns for all their characters. That would be stereotypical, and boring wouldn't you think?]

Like I said, Dianavan, you are cool with me. Neither one of us needs to trip on anything written in these particular exchanges. But since you publicly asked, I felt I had to publicly respond.

Peace,
Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 02:01 PM

There were also some Jewish slave traders. Christians were not the only people who profited from the slave trade.

I don't have any good answers on the subject of reparations, but I do think we owe it to the people who come from families of exploited peoples to provide them with the best education possible. And that means adequately funding programs like Head Start, and also after-school programs that can help students function more effectively in academic settings.

Many of the children of such families don't get enough parental supervision because their parents have to work more than one job just to survive. These children need more nurturing adult influences in their lives, and if it requres some tax payer money to make it happen, it's much more to the benefit of society as a whole to provide it for these things than it is to use it to kill people in other countries for oil.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 01:09 PM

No one should be accused of pretending to speak for others if one is offering a personal opinion and observation, which is what I see SINSULL doing.

And BTW I thought it was a POWERFUL and, in some settings, hugely accurate observation, which I will be using with a ministry discussion group next week!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 12:24 PM

And of course sinsull you speak for many Christians.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 07:53 AM

d,

Remember "Jack and the Bean Stalk"?

B;)

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 01:23 AM

Bobert - I was only funnin' you about the climbing hydrangea (I mean hyacinth). I'll believe it when I see it.

Your 'dialect' does not sound Afro-American to me. You sound more like a a hillbilly. Since this a folk site, I think its perfectly appropriate.

Azizi - Do you write the way you speak or do you clean it up to sound a little closer to standard English? I know that most of the novels written by Afro-American women use the Afro-American speech patterns.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 10:56 PM

Martin,
We are in agreement on Jesus, the Messiah and Who Cares if he were black. My point is that many of the Christians who worship him as the Messiah have no use for a black Jewish blue collar worker.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 10:09 PM

Well gol danged, Martin ol buddy, we sho nuff agree that indiginous folks also need ot be compensated... Ain' too sure where Jews come in to repairation on the US landscape but may you'll enlighten me... European? Yeah... American? Ahhhh, I can't see it...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: harpgirl
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 10:00 PM

Here's an interesting point of view:

"The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society with out causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values."

Traditional values such as concern for the other guy, protecting the weak, providing for the underprivileged? The corporate world at the very top selects for sociopathy. That is why we see so many of these CEO's doing grossly antisocial things.

The provision of health care in the Unites States is so expensive now that it will likely be shed as a benefit of corporate employment. But that is because it is technoloigcally driven and much more expensive. Chinese health care is still much much cheaper. But that will change, too, I suspect. Convincing us that we don't deserve it as a perk is just a smoke screen for the real causal problem. It's technologically and profit driven. That is the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: harpgirl
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 09:41 PM

Actually, Sinsull, postmodern technological society has done more damage to both black and white families than slavery ever did. We made a mistake when we linked capitalism and free market economies with technological advances. The need for automobiles has done more damage to black and white families, than slavery.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 09:33 PM

I'm not paying.

Pay me for all the slavery and abuse that Jews have gone through. Or pay the Indians.

and Sinsull, I have no reason at all to believe you. And who cares if Jesus was a black Jew? Look at his image in every damn church and you will see who cares. I hope he was a black Jew. He would still not be the messiah.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: PoppaGator
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 07:17 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with all of Bobert's historical analysis. It is undeniable that slave labor, as well as the underpaid labor of emancipated blacks (and also, perhaps to a lesser extent, that of various similarly exploited immigrant groups), created much of the USA's infrastructure.

On the other hand, I can't go along with any reparations proposal that I've yet seen, or any such proposal that I can imagine:

1) WHO PAYS:

If there were a way to make it work, perhaps it would be fair to collect from those white folks who (a) are wealthy, and (b) whose personal wealth can be more-or-less-directly attributed to exploitation of black folks. But really, how could that possibly work?

Please don't look at me ~ I'm not in desperate poverty, but I'm living from paycheck to paycheck, as did my parents, and none of my grandparents were born in the US and therefore were not here until well after the abolition of slavery. None of their families ever profited from the slave trade, either, by the way: all of 'em were simple peasant farmers before they sailed across the sea ~ sharecroppers, basically.

Three of the four grandparents, in fact, came from a country colonized by Britain, where many generations of their ancestors were forbidden to learn to read, to own property, to decide which crops they might grow to feed themselves, or to practice their religion. Not at all unlike African slaves in America, when you think about it ~ except that, while they had the supposed "dignity" of freedom from literal enslavement, they also had to face the reality that no one controlling the means of survival cared if they lived or died, since they were not the bosses' "property." And this is not ancient history; these conditions prevailed well into the mid-19th century, just about as long as slavery existed in the American South.

2) WHO GETS PAID?

In real-life practical terms, I'm very skeptical that fully equal shares of any "reparations" fund would ever find their way to the folks most in need and most deserving. The usual crowd of hustlers and politically connected hotshots would immediately be filing papers to prove that they're 1/32 African (or whatever the crtierion might be), lining up to "administer" the program (i.e., rake a nice hefty percentage off the top), and/or dreaming up their own original scams to exploit the guilt and good intentions of others.

Back in the 1960s, I was naive enough to think that when black folks began to vote and to put some of their own people into elective office, the new officeholders would be as virtuous and idealistic as Dr. Martin Luther King. Boy, was I ever wrong! Here in Louisiana, anyway, the new breed of African-American politicians are every bit as corrupt as their white predecessors, from whom they learned whole bagsful of dirty tricks.

I'm not saying today's black politicians are any worse than whites ~ quite the contrary: one bunch of crooks is just as bad as the other. (Of course, there are also a variety of good and half-decent ones, of any and all races.) Indeed, I think that the fact that those attracted to public life are equally likely to yield to temptation proves that all people are basically the same, regardless of "race."

Oh yeah, one more thing about Bobert: I heartily endorse (and enjoy) his written diction, and absolutely believe him when he tells us that it's pretty much the way he speaks in person. I speak in a similar manner myself, mixing colloquial and even deliberately incorrect "folksy" usage with an occasional highfalutin' big word when no other word will serve. I just write in a much more formal manner than I speak ~ probably just because I write technical manuals for a living.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Burke
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 07:10 PM

"every non white I meet I have to go thru the Dance of the Dieing Duck"

I have never heard this expression & really do not understand what you mean by it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 06:20 PM

Bobert,
My observations:
Slavery destroyed black families, forced them into a matriarchal hierarchy, and black men (in general) never recovered.
Fast forward:
While other racial groups can assimilate if they choose into a white society by learning the customs, the language, whatever, blacks stand out because they are black. Racism whether based on race or religion will always exist because there will always be a disenfranchised group that needs a scapegoat.
Discrimination against blacks exists in housing, employment, education. I have seen it first hand and it has nothing to do with credentials, qualifications, etc. Behind their backs even the black executive is referred to as the "schwartzer" by other executives. Sad and ugly but true.
I worked for one company that routinely hired based on capability and experience. Most of the management happened to be black - strong, aggressive business men who attracted other strong aggressive black businessmen. Funny but both the white and the black administrative staff resented them. Go figure.

Martin - this is one of those times when your enforced distancing from in-person meetings has led you astray. Bobert is genuine. His "voice" is consistent. A "cunning scheming radical???? Please explain.

There is a strong probability that Jesus was black or at least dark skinned. A black Jew - wonder how he would fare in Hometown USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Bobert's Race Thread
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 05:43 PM

bobert, I'm not saying that you write "black." Just with an air of snobbish and forced folksiness.

If that is indeed the way you talk, you should be doing commercials for middle class America or be the narrator for a show like Desperate Housewives.

If this is the way you always write, I would suggest that you take a writing course in your local community college and learn how to fucking spell and use punctuation. You are not coming across as Mark Twain.