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BS: For Real. I quit

Clinton Hammond 15 Jun 05 - 04:03 PM
GUEST,615 15 Jun 05 - 04:02 PM
CarolC 15 Jun 05 - 03:57 PM
annamill 15 Jun 05 - 03:56 PM
jacqui.c 15 Jun 05 - 03:56 PM
CarolC 15 Jun 05 - 03:52 PM
Clinton Hammond 15 Jun 05 - 03:52 PM
Peace 15 Jun 05 - 03:50 PM
GUEST 15 Jun 05 - 03:47 PM
Joe Offer 15 Jun 05 - 03:41 PM
Peace 15 Jun 05 - 03:38 PM
Peace 15 Jun 05 - 03:35 PM
GUEST,615 15 Jun 05 - 03:35 PM
Clinton Hammond 15 Jun 05 - 03:33 PM
Peace 15 Jun 05 - 03:28 PM
GUEST, heric 15 Jun 05 - 03:24 PM
Wolfgang 15 Jun 05 - 03:20 PM
GUEST,615 15 Jun 05 - 03:19 PM
Clinton Hammond 15 Jun 05 - 03:14 PM
GUEST 15 Jun 05 - 03:08 PM
TheBigPinkLad 15 Jun 05 - 03:03 PM
TheBigPinkLad 15 Jun 05 - 03:00 PM
GUEST,615 15 Jun 05 - 03:00 PM
Lepus Rex 15 Jun 05 - 02:52 PM
Clinton Hammond 15 Jun 05 - 02:47 PM
jacqui.c 15 Jun 05 - 02:45 PM
GUEST,615 15 Jun 05 - 02:42 PM
CarolC 15 Jun 05 - 02:40 PM
CarolC 15 Jun 05 - 02:36 PM
CarolC 15 Jun 05 - 02:30 PM
Joe Offer 15 Jun 05 - 02:30 PM
Mooh 15 Jun 05 - 02:28 PM
CarolC 15 Jun 05 - 02:27 PM
GUEST,Tommy! Make 'em Stop! 15 Jun 05 - 02:24 PM
GUEST 15 Jun 05 - 02:23 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 15 Jun 05 - 02:19 PM
Donuel 15 Jun 05 - 02:13 PM
CarolC 15 Jun 05 - 02:11 PM
John MacKenzie 15 Jun 05 - 01:56 PM
GUEST 15 Jun 05 - 01:52 PM
Kim C 15 Jun 05 - 01:42 PM
Clinton Hammond 15 Jun 05 - 01:41 PM
CarolC 15 Jun 05 - 01:37 PM
Clinton Hammond 15 Jun 05 - 01:23 PM
Lepus Rex 15 Jun 05 - 01:21 PM
CarolC 15 Jun 05 - 01:03 PM
CarolC 15 Jun 05 - 12:59 PM
Lepus Rex 15 Jun 05 - 12:39 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:03 PM

Oh no... it's that you've come around to see it MY way!

Wanna fight about this for a while??

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 04:02 PM

"So 615... it's black... no it's blacker than black, right?"

Of course - Ray Charles could see that. I'm glad you're finally starting to come around.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:57 PM

AND FURTHERMORE, I HAVE NEVER ONCE CRITICIZED YOU IN THE FORUM FOR NOT DELETING ANYTHING POSTED BY MARTIN GIBSON


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: annamill
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:56 PM

FOR REAL, I QUIT...THIS THREAD!!

Boring..


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:56 PM

I like peace too Brucie. Shame the previous end of this thread got lost - it was much more enjoyable.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:52 PM

The issue, Joe, I repeat, is not whether or not you deleted that post.

THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY LIED ABOUT WHAT I HAVE SAID AND DONE IN THIS THREAD AND IN PMs AND PRIVATE E-MAILS TO YOU.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:52 PM

So 615... it's black... no it's blacker than black, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:50 PM

I said on another thread--I am a changed man. I have discovered MELONS. (And JennyO then suggested warming them first. What a gal.)


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:47 PM

But Brucie would it baa-rk?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:41 PM

I suppose it's possible that the crash changed the message numbers. I haven't noticed that in other situations, however. I think the distinct possibility exists that Carol made a mistake, and that's why I wasn't able to find and delete the message in question. It may be that Carol gave me incorrect information because she does not understand our thread and message numbering system - many people don't.

I suppose one could possibly imagine that I deleted one message as requested, and then deliberately neglected to delete another one, in an attempt to punish or harrass the target of the message. Seems unlikely to me, though. I don't have any reason to do that, and I don't have any history of having done that in the past.

As I've said before, Martin Gibson was prolific, and it was impossible for me to keep up with every insulting message he posted. It took me a while to accept the idea that I needed to read all of his messages, at the end of every day. I did that in spurts. When he seemed to settle down, I stopped reviewing his messages until I started to get complaints again. He was on full review for several days before he stopped posting. Believe me, reading all those Martin Gibson messages was not a pleasant task. There are many other things that I would prefer to spend my time on. It was especially thankless because so many people insisted on their "right" to do battle with him, which provoked him to post even more. It really feels like a slap in the face that those same people are now complaining about Mudcat's failure to control Martin Gibson.

-Joe Offer-

  • Maybe it wasn't Carol who complained in this thread about my failure to delete Martin's attacks on Carol.
  • Maybe it was Jack who complained about it.
  • Maybe it was wrong of me to assume that Jack was speaking on Carol's behalf.
  • If that's the case, I apologize to Carol for my getting confused.
  • But I'm still confused....


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:38 PM

You can call a sheep a dog, but that won't make it bark.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:35 PM

I like peace because it's peaceful.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:35 PM

Exactly - That's the point I'm trying to make.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:33 PM

Just because you say it with profanity, doens't make it mean any more to me, '615'

Sure errodes your case though....


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:28 PM

As long as everyone's gettin' along . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:24 PM

Somewhere on the net (I can't find it now) there is a fun little toy in which you paste an exceprt, and it guesses the writer's gender, based on some simple rules, such as the count of adverbs and adjectives, and relative ratios and such.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:20 PM

MG=LH? BS

WH


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:19 PM

Well it does. We can't help it if you're an insensitive pig. So shut the fuck up and leave us alone.

But hey - it's OK to say that because this is "such an ephmeral and meaningless medium as an internet message board... "


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:14 PM

"So if it doesn't bother you it shouldn't bother us ?"

I don't understand how anyone who claims to be an intelligent, mature adult CAN get so bent outa shape by anything that mighta been said about them in such an ephmeral and meaningless medium as an internet message board...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:08 PM

Lepus no way, you're far too sane and pleasant. Often you've saved me posting by writing what I had thunked.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:03 PM

... that should have been assertion, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:00 PM

Sidestepping the poop for a moment, there is a kind of profiling that can be done on language to establish connections between one virtual persona and another based on the assertation that it's almost impossible to disguise your word pattern over a long passage. It's quite accurate if you have sufficient input.

OK, as you were.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 03:00 PM

So if it doesn't bother you it shouldn't bother us ? You're the best judge ??


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:52 PM

Hah! I missed Donuel's now-lost post on the supposed LH-MG connection, but I read discussions about the possibilty here and on Jon Freeman's forum. And as intriguing a possibility as it is, I'd have a hard time believing that he was he. Although LH is probably one of the handful of Mudcatters who, if he applied himself, could conceivably pull off a convincing alternate persona for years (that doesn't sound like a compliment, but it is)... Nah, I just don't think so.

But, hey, go ahead and believe it. Then, at least I'm not MG anymore. >:)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:47 PM

"If your wife or mother or children had been called "cunts" you would care too"

Oh no I f-n wouldn't! Cause I know the 'value' of this place is such that I don't HAVE to care ANYTHING that's said on this thing...

And well, how do you know my mom, wife or children (what children) aren't c#nts?!?!?! Maybe I am too! Maybe you are too...   

Maybe we all are...

I suspect there's no 'maybe' about it


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: jacqui.c
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:45 PM

Bring back the toilet humour.............. PLEASE!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,615
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:42 PM

Clinton - I thought a few hundred posts ago you were telling us that this is just an internet forum and we're making mountains out of molehills. We care because we're offended. If your wife or mother or children had been called "cunts" you would care too. And we would be complaining just as loud. If it had happened to Joe Offer or Max I can promise you these posts would have been deleated. But they were not. But since it "only" happened to someone you and Joe don't like we're just supposed to forget about it ??

There is something rotten at the Mudcat. And let me guess - we should just go away and start our own forums - right ?


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:40 PM

Also, there is not one single post in this thread in which I have complained about Joe not deleting anything. My complaints in this thread have been and are entirely about Joe repeatedly lying about me in this thread, and about Joe discussing the contents of PMs and private e-mails in the open forum.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:36 PM

Who said that? Why, it was CarolC who, along with her husband Jack the Sailor, has spent this thread whining about Joe didn't do enough to stop Martin Gibson's use of such comments.

I am me, and my husband is my husband. If you have a complaint about something I have said, take it up with me. If you have a complaint about something my husband has said, take it up with my husband.

My complaints about Joe Offer are between me and Joe Offer, and they are very legitimate. Joe know what he has to do if he is going take responsibility for his behavior in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:30 PM

Bee-dubya-ell is right. That wasn't the post.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:30 PM

I take it that LH is Little Hawk, and MG in the post above is Martin Gibson. I checked Martin's posts many, many times. In the last six months, I have spent far more time on the posts of Martin Gibson than I have spent on all other objectionable posts combined in the nine years I have been here at Mudcat. As far as I can determine, he always posted under the name of Martin Gibson. I think there was a time or two when Mudcatter logged out and posted as "Guest, Martin Gibson" - but in those cases, it was pretty obvious that somebody was posting pseudonymously to poke fun at Martin. But, in the thousands of messages posted by Mudcat Member Martin Gibson, it was that individual and nobody else.

There was no impersonation in the "Martin Gibson Affair," and it's unfair to attempt to accuse any regular Mudcatter of posing as Martin Gibson.

But Martin Gibson was prolific. He often posted more than thirty messages in a day. Keeping up with him was a real chore.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Mooh
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:28 PM

Imagine my surprise when Joe's link above connects to one of my pointless posts unrelated to this thread! How'd THAT happen?

Brief Mudconfusion leads to me becoming MG or something (I'm not really following this discussion very closely). Cool, fame!

Sorry, Mooh is Mooh.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:27 PM

Here's a link to that message, #1465466 (click). I can't figure out how it insults anybody. And the complaints I've heard in this thread about my failure to delete that message, sure sound to me like the squeal of a stuck pig.

More lies and slander, Joe. Please show me where any of those complaints about you not deleting that message have come from me.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST,Tommy! Make 'em Stop!
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:24 PM

His wife must have his nuts in a vice clamp or something.

Who said that? Why, it was CarolC who, along with her husband Jack the Sailor, has spent this thread whining about Joe didn't do enough to stop Martin Gibson's use of such comments.

Congratulations CarolC, you are the new Martin Gibson.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:23 PM

Good eggs don't respond the way LH did in his 'liberal twitch' thread. That was pure MG. But what the heck we all believe what we want to believe. I am off to sit under a pyramid and await enlightenment.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:19 PM

Joe Offer,

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I think you should entertain the possibility that the link you provided re CarolC's post of June 15 at 11:50 AM may no longer be linking to the thread to which she originally referred. Since the big crash, the database is, to put it it bluntly, fucked. Posts within threads were restored out of sequence. Just open this thread at the first post. A post by JennyO at 6:52 AM on June 11 is now showing as the initial post to this thread, not MG's post of 7:50 PM, June 10. I've come across similar things in other threads. Some are bad enough that it's impossible to follow the sequence of the thread at all. If there's jumbling in one database field, there's probably jumbling in others.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:13 PM

I said Little Hawk might be Martin Gibson based on the flimsiest intuition and similar writing styles but I have no evidence or right to besmerch Little Hawk who I think is a good egg.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 02:11 PM

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Little Hawk, Guest, 15 Jun 05 - 01:52 PM, for various reasons. And also there were some posts from MG that LH didn't know about.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:56 PM

Interesting but unprovable.
G


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:52 PM

One bad apple spoils the whole box eventually. He was allowed and often encouraged to rule the roost. Those scared of becoming his next victims hung on his every word. Dianavan summed it up.

The clone(s) who had a delete fest a couple of weeks back, sure found the time to delete criticisms against him. And regardless of how many times they tell you those posts were offensive...they were not.

He either was a clone or was admired by one. Funny they never found the time to delete his many hundreds of offensive postings. Either way a few , a very few members, lost a lot of credibility.

And LH your inane ramblings are an insult to those he derided. He overstepped the mark big time, unless you also enjoy seeing women, children and disabled folk insulted. Don't answer that please, I haven't the time for your views. I find them twisted.


I posted that about 500 posts ago . I can't be the only one who has known for months it was LH? By the time he wrote his recent 'Liberal Twitch' thread, where he took the p**s out of a 15 yr old boy with a speech impediment, LH had lost the plot so much he was writing as MG, but using LH as the name. I pointed that out to him on that thread and got called the predictable (never had much of an imagination eh?) troll guest, but by then it was transparent who MG was.

It was always going to be someone who never had kids, nobody with them could wish another persons child dead, it was also someone who had issues with females,and a good idea about those he targetted, a passable knowledge of judaism and a chicago fixation, plus someone who was probably bullied as a kid.

LH ticked all those boxes. But his dogmatic belief in his own beliefs as LH swung it for me, the same dogmatic stance MG took in his opinions. Everyone else was always wrong and he was always right, regardless of which personna he was using at the time.

I am sorry for all those he hurt too, it made a pretty good detective mystery for a very short space of time. But if I knew him, like some of you did, I would be upset understandably. Donuel's post stating it was LH has been deleted, maybe he requested it to be.

The consolation is he must be a very unhappy indivdual to get his kicks like that. Hope the meds kick in and he finds another purpose in life. But for everytime LH called me a troll guest for pointing out his resemblance to MG, he can well and truely swivel.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Kim C
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:42 PM

Once again, I can't believe you all have wasted so much time on this subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:41 PM

"shaking his dick at random passersby"
If I did tha,t no one'd see it....


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:37 PM

LOL, Lepus Rex.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:23 PM

"lead poor little Carol out of the darkness by example"

I'd rather leave the bint in the dark...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:21 PM

Heh. And at least you're "whining" about a real issue, Carol. I mean, even Martin Gibson usually complained about things he cared about... Clinton's just standing around in his "I hate Mondays!" t-shirt shaking his dick at random passersby.

Go back to the "sort of likable curmudgeon" thing, Clinton, 'cause this ain't working. You're not Martin Gibson material. You're not even Gibson Lite. You're just not that kind of bastard.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 01:03 PM

That's a good point, Lepus Rex. It's been a hell of a long time since I last saw a post from Clinton that wasn't a complete whinefest. His wife must have his nuts in a vice clamp or something.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 12:59 PM

Keep posting about it too... all you're doing is supporting the 'majority' opinion of you in this thread...

That's pretty funny, Clinton, did you used to feed that line to "Martin" when he was around? It sounds like one of his.


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 12:39 PM

Yeah, you are kind of a whiny little bitch, yourself, Clinton. (No offense.) But how is whining about whining not whining itself? Sack up a little, yourself, and lead poor little Carol out of the darkness by example.

Fascinating reading, here, now that I've had the chance to finish reading it. Predictably, several people have placed the blame for all this bullshit on anonymous GUESTs. You poor victims, you.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 12:32 PM

Yer just confirming what a thin grasp you have on a thing most of us like to call reality.....

Believe whatever you need to, in order to get your wee little head to sleep at night CarolC... Especially about me...   It matters not one whisht....

Keep posting about it too... all you're doing is supporting the 'majority' opinion of you in this thread...


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Subject: RE: BS: For Real. I quit
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Jun 05 - 12:29 PM

Well, Joe could always apologise. That migh help heal some wounds.

(I'm not holding my breath, though... )


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