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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: John Hardly Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:18 AM ....and further, because "huge" doesn't fit, you choose to redefine the term (supposedly from the "original languages") for huge, cedar-tree-like, to something that makes no more sense when describing a hippo -- swift when bent. Neither one of your explanations fits the passage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,John Hardly Date: 23 Jun 05 - 10:07 AM One key rule in interpretation is that one doesn't look for a more obscure interpretation if the obvious one makes perfect sense. Why would one choose, when describing a hippo, to dwell on the tail -- a feature of the hippo that is hardly the first characteristic one would note. In fact, it is one of the last characteristics one would note UNLESS one was noting that it was almost non-existant. Why would the poet choose to describe the hippo: "...you know, that beast in the field whose tail can bend even when it is swift?" Why would he define the almost non-existant tail as "swift" or "bendable" when neither would bring to mind the beast he's describing? How much less tortured to merely assume he is talking about a beast with, you know, a HUGE tail -- a tail that resembles a cedar? If a poet was going to describe a cardinal (redbird) would he, as a point of definition, describe the cardinal as "you know.... the bird with the HUGE beak" when: 1. The cardinal doesn't have a huge beak 2. The cardinal would be best (most succinctly) described as "you know......the crimson songster" 3. To define the cardinal as the one with the huge beak would, no doubt, cause the reader to mentally picture the toucan, NOT the cardinal. But you are asserting that the "poet" in Job chose to describe the hippo as "you know...the one with the HUGE tail" when 1. The hippo doesn't have a huge tail 2. The hippo would better be described, not as the grass eating beast of the feild, but rather as the mud-water-wallowing beast. 3. Dwelling on the tail to describe the hippo doesn't lead the reader to think "hippo". I'm afraid that yours is tortured interpretation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,Wolfgang Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:58 AM Dinosaurs could not have lived and died before man brought sin and death into the world. (from a Christian website) To answer questions about dinosaurs and Creation, we must start our thinking with the Bible, and from there find the answers. If we trust the Bible as true, and accept theories compatible with scripture we will never have a problem. (from the same site) Well, if one reads the Bible as a book reporting undisputable facts such sentences result. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Le Scaramouche Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:24 AM It's not certain that the word means sway. In ancient Hebrew there is a root Kh/f/tz II which means to harden or stiffen. The other explanation, to bend, comes from Arabic usage, which might mean he's so powerful that even when his tail is swift it can bend. Sway is likely to be a mistranslation unless the meaning of the word has changed in 400 years. Does anyone have an OED? |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: John Hardly Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:13 AM How would one conclude that poetic license would lead a poet to characterize a hippo's tail (a tail that is almost non-existant) as swaying like a cedar? Poetic license usually leads one to artfully rather than literally describe, but an artful description is still usually apt and accurate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Le Scaramouche Date: 23 Jun 05 - 09:06 AM Tails aside (being poetic licence) if it's about any actual animal, it's clearly an hipopotamus. There is an interesting use of the plural to denote THE best of beasts. That, or it is a shortend form of the Beast of Waters, similar to what hippos were entitled in Mesopotamia, and if memory serves, Egypt. Hippos, along with crocodiles (identifed with Leviathan) had a mythical status as beasts of great power. Not saying it isn't a memory of dinosaurs, but that it is just as likely to be an hipopotamus. It's also undecided if the word used in the original (yakhpotz) means 'stiffen' or 'sway'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Stu Date: 23 Jun 05 - 08:58 AM "Give jobs to anthropologists" . . . or palaeontologists even? Anyhow, there is plenty of mention of dinosaurs in the Bible: Noah's doves, crows etc. Birds are simply theropd dinosaurs by another name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Donuel Date: 23 Jun 05 - 08:53 AM a hippo tail sways like a twig. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Le Scaramouche Date: 23 Jun 05 - 08:46 AM The behemoth is more probably an hipopotamus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: John Hardly Date: 23 Jun 05 - 08:11 AM Job is considered the oldest book in the Bible. It doesn't pre-date the flood, but it does pre-date Abraham. Job mentions dinosaurs. Though dinosaurs were around for an apparently long time, even science marvels at how rapidly they disappeared (am I the only one who saw "Ice Age"? :^) ). There are still dinosaur-like creatures on the earth -- those that could continue to adapt to a severe change in climate -- those who could survive the ice age. Funny thing.....I always have to smile when the proposal is made that adding a few million years into the timeline makes creation any more possible. From my perspective, even if given a few million years, I couldn't create a universe. Conversely, a God who could create a universe in the first place would doubtless not need a few million years to do so. He might have used a few million years -- but that's beside the point of whether He might have needed a few million years. Job chapter 40... 15 Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. 16 What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! 17 His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. 18 His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,Bainbo Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:35 AM Well, there's an awful lot of Bible-reading folk who say they're waiting for the 'Raptor. I think that's what they say ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: gnu Date: 23 Jun 05 - 07:22 AM Don Firth... thanks for the belly laugh, artful dodger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Le Scaramouche Date: 23 Jun 05 - 04:37 AM Another point to remember is that the use of English has changed since the 1600s. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Le Scaramouche Date: 23 Jun 05 - 04:36 AM The Bible is not 100% accurate in the details, especially when translated, but if you are going to get hung up on things like that, you've missed the point. Besides, if you really, really want dinosaurs, they might have been leviathans. Bodhrans as such may not be mentioned, but you have tabrets, timbrels and cymbals. Some of which would definetly be frame drums. A day was not always 24 hours, and it can also reffer to a period of time. We even do it now, how many times have you heard people going "well back in the day" or "they were good in their day" etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Bobert Date: 22 Jun 05 - 11:14 PM Ahhh, yeah, lets get this right... God created all this in 7 days??? Explains a lot... Shouda put a little more thought into Adam and Eve... But in all seriousness, what a crock.... IOf one wants to take the Bible 100% then better watch every step fir fear of being damned 4 steppin' on a bug..... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,Hybrid Date: 22 Jun 05 - 11:09 PM ...well, there was dinos, and god must just have misplaced that chapter in the bible ehy? kinda hard to miss something godzilla runnin around out there... |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 05 - 10:54 PM Back then giants walked the earth ... Aquinas, Luther, Calvin show how to draw from these reservoirs of time-less wisdom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 22 Jun 05 - 10:32 PM Sure there are Dinos in the Bible. Especially in the New Testament. With all those Romans running around there had to be a Dino or two among 'em. Probably a few Tonys and Guidos as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Don Firth Date: 22 Jun 05 - 10:05 PM If God had wanted man to play the piano, He would have given him 88 fingers. HAH! Missed me again!! Don Firth (dodging lightning bolt) |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Peace Date: 22 Jun 05 - 09:54 PM Well, if I have the choice, please mention the potato before even considering Jerry Falwell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,G-Spot Date: 22 Jun 05 - 09:52 PM Nor Jerry Falwell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: sixtieschick Date: 22 Jun 05 - 09:49 PM No potatoes either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Jun 05 - 09:46 PM Nor the bodhran, in the list of "praise the Lord with..." stuff. And I KNOW God didn't make the banjo, OK? ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 22 Jun 05 - 09:02 PM No mention of the platypus either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Peace Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:59 PM "There aren't any kangaroos in the Bible either, are there? That must mean that kangaroos don't really exist." They don't. The folks in Australia have mutated rabbits that look like giant mice with pockets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Peace Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:53 PM They were long dead by the time 'man' came about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:50 PM ya, but he dint mention lots of things...that is a kangaroo, wow..like come on, wouldent u add that there was big things that dint stop eating terrorizing the planet b4 man? |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:46 PM There aren't any kangaroos in the Bible either, are there? That must mean that kangaroos don't really exist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:44 PM but, the bible is about certain thing...mostly about god is good, bla bla...but if he created dinosaurs...wouldent he have mentioned the 2 story high monsters walkin around? |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: John Hardly Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:42 PM Job chapter 40... 15 Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. 16 What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! 17 His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. 18 His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,Hybrid Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:40 PM ...smart ass... :( |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Peace Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:22 PM And then there's that, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Amos Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:20 PM The reason there are no dinosaurs in the darned Bible is because the guys who wrote the Bible were farmers who had no concept of fossils, the length of Earth's eons or anything related there to. They measured time in seasons, generations, and dates-since-catastrophes, but not much more. They had no sense of elements, such as carbon, and its variants such as Carbon-14, or how to measure such a length of time as a thousand years, except conceivably as a long list of grandparents. They were great poets, at times, and wonderful givers of advice, by why expect them to invent lasers or archaeology? There is also no mention of puffins in the darned Bible, nor of aerodynamic foil curves and their use in making flying machines, nor of the rate of acceleration of gravity, the chemistry of stainless steel, the frequencies of color, nor the number of planets in the solar system or the nature of remote clusters, quasars, or other galaxies. Some of us have learned some things since, however. No sense standing on your head about it. A A |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Peace Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:15 PM Maybe to find out if we'd believe the Bible? Give jobs to anthropologists? Hide them from Fido? Beats me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,Hybrid Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:06 PM whyy would he wnat to mess w/ our heads? he does it enough by having people belive or not belive in him...dinosaurs MUST have bin real |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,G-Spot Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:03 PM The same reason He created Martin Gibson! |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,G-Spot Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:01 PM Because he is like many of us. He likes to mess with our heads! GS |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,Hybrid Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:01 PM ^^^sorry, that was me... |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 05 - 08:00 PM why would god put dinosaur bones in the earth? what would his point be? |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: Peace Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:55 PM This is addressed to all--not G-Spot specifically. 1) If yer gonna go quote the Bible, do it entire. Because if you're of a mind that God created the whole thing, and that he did so about 5000 years ago (along with the rest of the known Universe), then it ain't a giant leap to understand that God could create a dinosaur bone that's millions of years old and put it (them) in a 5000 year old Earth. IMO, of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,G-Spot Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:50 PM Between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2, a terrible event occurred making the created earth "void and without form". This event is spoken of by Jesus many centuries later, when he said "I saw Satan, fall to earth as lightning". He spoke of the "war against Heaven waged by Satan & also lost by Satan. Being cast out, Satan fell to earth, wreaking havoc upon all creation causing the "Void & formless" condition of the earth. Of course, God decided to remodel the place and create "Man in His Own Likeness", but satan was lurking, even as Martin Gibson still lurks here, and is still wreaking havoc. In the Gen. 1:1 & 1:2 interval, the dinos were destroted. At least, that was a theory presented to me some years ago. GS |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,Hybrid Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:49 PM yeah, that would...you know, if unicorns were real and such |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:48 PM that wooooould make sence :O |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: John O'L Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:47 PM The dinosaurs were busy eating up all the unicorns and so missed the boat, or so I'm led to believe... |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:45 PM lol, ah, np sleepless dad, :P, just bin on my mind for awile, making me go all "hmmmmmmm" and stuff |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:42 PM well i dont know about that one guest,hybrid but i prefer melons ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:42 PM Sorry Hybrid - That was my feeble attempt at a joke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,Hybrid Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:41 PM "...Dinosaurs in the Book of Second Opinions. Chaper thirteen I think" and what would that be? im not to religious |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:39 PM You can find several passages about Dinosaurs in the Book of Second Opinions. Chaper thirteen I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: No Dinos in the bible? wtf.... From: GUEST,d.bunker Date: 22 Jun 05 - 07:36 PM Because the locusts ate them all. |
