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BS: W stands for?

Don Firth 14 Sep 05 - 01:54 PM
CarolC 13 Sep 05 - 01:08 AM
GUEST,G 12 Sep 05 - 09:44 PM
GUEST,Peter Woodruff 12 Sep 05 - 09:00 PM
GUEST,Peter Woodruff 12 Sep 05 - 08:37 PM
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Don Firth 12 Sep 05 - 01:09 PM
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Jack the Sailor 11 Sep 05 - 06:50 PM
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Tam the man 11 Sep 05 - 09:34 AM
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John MacKenzie 11 Sep 05 - 04:33 AM
Le Scaramouche 11 Sep 05 - 03:18 AM
Jack the Sailor 11 Sep 05 - 02:48 AM
freda underhill 11 Sep 05 - 12:59 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 01:54 PM

DAMN!

pdq, I made another mistake!!

I just found out that Bush wasn't reading My Little Puppy to the children. The book was My Pet Goat, and the children were reading it to him!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 01:08 AM

It's our soul, number 6... the dire unknown want and need. As a nation, we've sold our soul, and we keep trying to fill the void that's left with our material goods and our adrenaline addictions.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: GUEST,G
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 09:44 PM

And "W" stands for Woodruff - any similarity?


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 09:00 PM

This was the best day for America! Because I know it is so!Because I know we can do better than this for America! Peter Woodruff

"W" Stands for worthless!

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:37 PM

Mr. Red,
   Where do you live?

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 04:52 PM

Warming
as in - GWB
Global Warming Bah(humbug)


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 01:09 PM

Now, THAT, pdq, we can agree on!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:06 PM

Will Rogers said:

          "Politics is applesauce"

Seems maybe we need to get more of the worms out before we start the process.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 08:10 PM

One is a shortened version of the other.

It only makes sense. Stuff the Rs say attracts voters. So, the Ds say lots of stuff the same--different words, same spin. They hope to attract some R voters. The Rs do the same hoping to attract some D voters. And to quote Vonnegut, "And so it goes."

The twparty system is leading to the death of democracy in the USA. Only thing left is which party will give the eulogy at the funeral.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:52 PM

Thanks, Peace, for posting links to those.

Eighty-one pages and forty-three pages respectively. That's gonna take a bit to go through critically and compare the two. A cursory glance through both of them reveals a lot of blattaty-blattaty-blattety and yada-yada-yada, but then, these people never have learned to say much of anything succinctly.

Back about 2004, I liked Dennis Kucinich's "Ten Points." Short, to the point, clear as a bell. No waffling or equivocation.

No wonder most people don't know what the hell is going on or where people stand. This stuff is like wading through the fine print on your insurance policies.

But I'll read it anyway.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:50 PM

Both those platforms are reactions to 9/11 and the Iraq war.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:48 PM

If that apple was a banana would it still taste like an apple...


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:14 PM

Republican Platform

Democratic Platform


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 04:54 PM

2004 Republican Party Platform: A Safer World and a More Hopeful ...

Strong at Home, Respected in the World The 2004 Democratic ...

They are both PDF files and I do not know how to link to them. However, there seems to be very little difference between the two. Both can be accessed by Google.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 04:34 PM

Perfect grammar is not essential in communication. But leaving the subject out of a sentence like that makes it nonsense.

But again, even if you had communicated the pseudo thought clearly the point is nonsense.

Was the jist of it? If the Republicans had run Al Gore and if the Democrats had run Bush would "still" have changed his vote?

You are putting still in quite a pickle there.

The Republicans running a second generation Democrat politician campaigning on the the environment, The Democrats runing a third generation Republican, son or a recent Republican President, running with the unqualified support of Big Oil on a platform of "social conservatism"

The answer to your question actually is "If the Republicans and Democrats had done that then the Republicans would be the Democrats and visa versa." Like I said, nonsense.

Sorry Kendall, it was a typo.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: number 6
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 04:14 PM

Well it's true Peace and Bobert.

Last weekend as I mentioned I was down in Brunswick Maine ... on Sunday we went into Portland ... small city of 65k (or whatever) ... my wife wanted to go over to the mall .... same scene in any city ... while she was in one of the many box stores that typically surround the cathedral Mall, I went to over to a Dunkin Donuts across the road. While walking over there I noticed there wasn't sidwalk for a pedestrian ... not one to be found all around the whole area ... even the interesctions were for cars, certainly not for some hapless lone person like me trying to cross a major thoroughfare ... and believe me I'm the only soul to be seen on foot. Now, this I have encountered in Atlanta and Boston previously, but this is small town Maine ... What I'm trying to get across here is that they have become a nation that has become totally lost of the human element ... a nation that is losing touch with it's human roots and trying to satisy a dire unknown (W)ant and need .

Bush, the Republicans, Democrats, Homeland Security, and corporations are reflective of that nation .... they have all lost touch with the human element, the people are losing touch with the human element. Trying to satisfy a thirsty population unsure of their demanding (W)ants and needs.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 04:04 PM

I disagree. I don't think pdq has proven a single point he has made about Al Gore. It is easy to throw out lines that one picks up in the yellow press. pdq has obviously never read any of Gore's books or thought about any of the issues Al Gore is concerned with. That, my friends, typifies the problem in the USA. As a nation, we prefer not to think, we prefer to pillory.

The issues are real. The differences between Republicans and Democrats are real. The differences between the current administration and its greedy, shortsighted, ignorant and incurious dream team and the last administration and - I hope - the NEXT administration, are real.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:48 PM

I would like to take credit for that line of thinking, but over the years, Bobert has hammered that home and I have come to agree with him.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: number 6
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:38 PM

Exactly Peace ... the USA is a nation in trouble .... instead of blaming politicians and parties (which are a reflection on them as a people) and which are ineffectual (right and left), they are going to have to dig deep into themselves to discover what is truly what is needed. Then and only then they can pull themselves together.

As I mentioned ... they are a nation in dire (W)ants and needs ... wants and needs that they have lost touch with , rich or poor, and they are going to have to figure those out within themselves.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:10 PM

Right, Peace. Neither party is worth much these days. What pdq doesn't seem to grasp is that taking shots at one party doesn't justify or excuse the incompetance of the other party. It just tries to change the subject.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:04 PM

See what I mean? When Bush administration draws criticism for its lates screw-up, all pdq wants to talk about is Democrats.

Like I said, change the subject. Karl Rove tactics.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:00 PM

In defense of pdq--my buddy with whom I love to argue and trade shots--he is proving quite well that the Democrats aren't worth a whole helluvalot. It is also patently obvious that the Republicans aren't worth a whole helluvalot either. Folks, the USA is in trouble. Would do y'all some good to start deciding what you can do to save your country from its politicians, and a substantial part of its electorate. IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:46 PM

Again, during the 2000 presidential election, there were questions about "core beliefs".

Originally considered a pro-family, Christian and relatively conservative, Gore eventually made statements that contradicted most of his previous position on issues.

Joe Lieberman had the same problem. In order to follow the "ethically challenged" Clinton administration, he had to change his position on the issues of crime, abortion and pornography, just to name a few.

Eventually, a frustrated supporter said of Lieberman, "he no longer has core beliefs, he has Gore beliefs!"


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:43 PM

For you enlightenment and education, pdq, probably the best known of Al Gore's books is

Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit
.   And he has written five other books on government. Check your local library, or Amazon.

There are a number of books about him, such as The World According To Al Gore : An A-To-Z Compilation Of His Opinions, Positions, And Public Statements, by Joseph Kaufman

So there is no scarcity of source material for athe person who is not just interested in snotty remarks, but who genuinely wants to know.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:30 PM

Doin Firth admits a mistake! A first!

Actually, while Al Gore may have written books, he never read them.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:23 PM

My mistake! Bush was reading "My Little Puppy" to a group of school children on this exact date, four years ago!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:22 PM

During the 2000 election campaign, Ralph Nader was frequently accused of "siphoning votes away" from Al Gore.

In response, Ralph Nader pointed out that "everytime he opens his mouth, Al Gore siphons vote away from Al Gore!"


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:20 PM

By the way, I know that Bush has never written any books. I wonder if he's ever read one. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:15 PM

Cheap shot, pdq. Gore has written several books. If you don't have any idea of what he believes, that's not his fault, it's yours.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 01:48 PM

Don,

If you know what Al Gore really believes, you are doing better than Al Gore.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Metchosin
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 01:42 PM

Countersink only relates to screws? Huh? While you can drill a hole to accept a countersunk screw, you can also buy at least 5 different size punches to countersink a nail or use a nail as a countersink in a pinch, if you are careful. Obviously I have nothing to add to this thread except a bit of pedantry.

On second thought I'll pass on this, although dated.

Chris Rock's "Quote of the Year"
 
"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy,  the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance,Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named Bush, Dick, and Colon.    Need I say more?"


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 01:39 PM

pdq, your theoretical question to me is meaningless. Gore, believing what he believes, would never have been a Republican. And Bush, believing as he does would never have been a Democrat. I voted (and will continue to vote) based on my understanding of the beliefs of the candidates--how well they coincided with what I believe.

So if I don't answer your question, it's because I can hardly answer a question that is basically nonsensical.

I'm not going to get sucked into that kind of trap.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 12:44 PM

Grammatically correct, eh?

Remember, nobody is pluperfect.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 12:19 PM

Don Firth, you don't countersink nails, that is a process related only to screws.

But it does seem appropriate for Bush/Cheney, arguably the greatest screwups in US history.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: number 6
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 11:51 AM

I was down in Brunswick Maine last weekend .. with my Taylor. I didn't see any angels, I certainly didn't witness an epiphony.

But back in the motel room very early in the wee hours of Sunday morning after jamming with some friends, watching CNN news on the TV I did relaize I was in a nation in dire Want of something, something they don't know, or something they can't just grasp.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 11:06 AM

Tam:

The phrase is "Proportional Representation" = One man one vote.

Unfortuanately the US & the UK already have "One Man One Vote"
In the States the man is Bush & over here it's Blair

CHEERS
Nigel


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Tam the man
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:34 AM

W stands for Wanker, and that also goes for the people that voted/campigned for the Wanker.

But he's your president and you're stuck with him.

Tam frae Scotland,

I tihnk that you lot might need a better voting system than what you've all ready got anyway.

Say proposinal resentertion (spelling) in other words one man one vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: kendall
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 07:31 AM

The name is Kendall, with an "A" not an "E"

I'll answer that question even though it is not grammatically correct,

A working man voting for a republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

Personalities mean little to me, it's what their party stands for that counts. I detest Ted Kennedy but I agree with his politics. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are loud mouth trouble makers, yet I like their politics.
On the other hand, I like John McCain but I can't vote for him because I don't like his politics.

I ask myself, "What has the republican party ever done for the working man (me)?? I'm still waiting for the answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 04:33 AM

You just take out the l and replace it with an n.
G.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:18 AM

It's terribly easy:

T stands for Tony, I suppose,
J for my love, Jacques;
W stands for thick Georgie-O
But Saddam is the fairest man.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:48 AM

How can anyone with an IQ over 60 support that nitwit? - Kendell

Judging from posts like the one below, I think its possible that on this thread at least that no one with an IQ over 60 does support that nitwit. The question would be nonsense even if it made any kind of gramatic sense. :)

Maybe you can answer a question: If Al Gore were a Republican and George W. Bush were the Democrat in 2000, would still have voted for Gore? - pdq

I admire your desire to try to be funny by saying foolish things. But you've taken that way too far.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: freda underhill
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 12:59 AM

Spring is just peeping around the corner here pdq, and very beautiful it is, too!


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:34 PM

I'm kinda with you, Don, 'cept that these days whenm we hammer at Bush the Bushites know that we're talkin' the truth...

But, personally, I'm weary of it... Bush has just 'bout worn me out with his string of disappointments... I guess I'm the eternal opomist... I mean, I thought that right after Katrina he would come out and do right... But he din't... He went off to California to try to sell his Medicaid reform???

To me that was like being a ER doctor and treatin' the flu case over the gunshot case...

I mean, can this guy really be that much outta the loop???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:29 PM

Thanks for the kind words, Don. Always a pleasure to chat with you too.

Maybe you can answer a question: If Al Gore were a Republican and George W. Bush were the Democrat in 2000, would still have voted for Gore?


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:21 PM

Actually, I find pounding on Bush to be a bit boring at this point. It's like hammering away at a nail that's already countersunk.

Re pdq: I've noticed that when anybody makes a critical remark about Bush or the Republican administration, he doesn't try to refute the criticism (difficult to do), he rummages around in the "ancient history" closet for a Democrat to attack.

Diversion. Karl Rove tactics.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:17 PM

Okay, we can safely assume that Saddam wasn't actually killin' 157 people very day leadin' up to the Bush administration orderin' an attack that may have killed upwards of 100,000 people...

I'll give the Wes Ginny Slide Rule a break on this one but given what Iraq has become, one's cahn ces of surviving thru the day in Iraq ain't as good these days as they were under Saddam...

Plus, here's what really bugs me... Donnie Rumsfelf goes to Iraq and shakes Saddam's hand and gives him all kinds of toys includin' a gold plated M-16 and then Saddam is no longer needed and so rather than the US keep him contained until they need him again, they go blow the entire friggin' country up???...

Like whoes idea was this?? Michael Brown's????

Dumbass foriegn policy... NO wonder Bush's popularity ratin' has dropped to an all time low... He has worker very hard (no, not really) to deserve to be where he is...

The worst president since, ahhhh, hmmmmmm??? Maybe ever.... And that is beatin' out a lotta stinkos....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:06 PM

freda,

You are free to believe what you wish to believe. I have the same right. Thanks.

BTW, isn't it getting toward Spring for you 'down under' types?

We had a great spring wildflower show here in the desert this year. Hope you have the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:05 PM

How can anyone with an IQ over 60 support that nitwit?


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Subject: RE: BS: W stands for?
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 09:47 PM

Waitin' on the sources, pdq...

Got nuthin' to do with what we do a small businessmen...

The sources????

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Angels Against Angels
From: freda underhill
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 09:34 PM

pdq

like you I want peace and justice in Iraq. I also understand the pragmatism of political alliances.

Saïd K Aburish, a former government Minister under Saddam Hussein, has written several books, one of them "Saddam Hussein, The Politics of Revenge" published by Bloomsbury in 2000. Pages 136 - 138 describe how in 1975 the US Government knowingly helped Iraq obtain the technology to build its first chemical warfare plant. The author was involved in these negotiations, and documents meetings, officials and companies involved. He explains how in 1974, an Iraqi delegation "led by Dr Mohammed Al Shukri of the Iraqi Ministry of Industry, but operating under the cover of representatives of the Ministry of Agriculture, visited Pfaulder Corporation of Rochester, New York, a specialist in chemical plant manufacture."

Saddam Hussein, The Politics of Revenge, Said K Aburish p 137

He goes on to describe the tooing and froing between Iraq and the US that led to the US passing on to the Iraqi government blueprints for their first chemical weapons plant. The author cites letters, and documents which involved both the US government and MI5.

the book also documents co-operation between the Baath Party and the CIA.

freda


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