BS: Saving Left Behind Pets

Subject: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 04:02 PM

One of my favorite sites on the internet and in real life is www.bestfriends.org, the largest US sanctuary for at risk animals and pets. As you might expect, they are heavily involved in the rescue and care and reunion of pets and owners at the Gulf Coast.

If you want to help- or if you just need a spirit lift - go to

Helping the Helpless and Blameless

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 10:50 PM

Beautiful thread, Ebbie. You are a sweetheart.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 10:58 PM

The've also figured out for Rita that letting people take their pets with them will persuade more to evacuate, something they didn't realize with Katrina.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 11:19 PM

"They" in my post are the civil authorities who tried to persuade people to evacuate.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 12:17 AM

I followed with interest the rescue of the eight dolphins displaced by Katrina. They would have found it impossible to survive in the wild after becoming completely habituated to people.
The Russian Navy has released its trained dolphins from service, but are having trouble finding enough places to take and care for them.

Unfortunately, it will be impossible to place all the recovered pets from New Orleans. There are so many of them. One dog has been adopted by a family here in western Canada, so some are being placed far afield. But all too few, I'm afraid, will find homes.

Thanks for the link, Ebbie.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 12:46 AM

Being alive, meat on the paw - pets are one of the most valuable sources of non-spoilage food protein available to victums in a disaster.

Maintaining the critter's food and water for five days until time of slauter is much easier than finding refrigeration for the equal amount of time.

The butchering is best left to someone without emotional hang-ups connected to the creature. It is suggested that the cooked meat be presented and shared with fellow refugees without attributing a source. Seasoning, long boiling, and presentation help in this tough, un-savory, task.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Ernest
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 03:53 AM

Hey, Guest 12:46 AM, that is exactly why we are keeping Guests here ;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 11:51 AM

Yep. Meat on the hoof, so to speak, doesn't spoil.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Leadfingers
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 12:54 PM

There is always the problem of the 'Pet Owner' who is totally opposed to the idea of any kind of Animal welfare . There was a report in the Torygraph at the weekend of a pair of Pit Bulls who were attacking a solitary Bull near New Orleans , complete with pictures . The guy who took the photos was alone and unarmed , so could do nothing , until an army patrol turned up . BOTH dogs were shot , and an army spokesman expressed concern about the possibilty of packs of dogs becoming a danger to life in the area .

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 01:17 PM

Leadfingers, you speak in clear English but I understand hardly a word! "Animal welfare"? "Torygraph"? "Bull"? "army patrol"?

Please elucidate?

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 01:43 PM

"Seasoning, long boiling, and presentation help in this tough, un-savory, task."

You know NOT whereof you speak, GUEST. Long boiling? No, no, no. That will take dog or cat and make it so damned tough you'll wear out your molars on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 01:45 PM

Number 2, while I'm on the subject: If you do not have good water available, it is very unwise to eat lots of protein in survival situations. The protein requires lotsa water to process the amino acids. Best keep it to fats and starches. FYI of course.

Here, kitty, kitty, kitty . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 02:14 PM

Does that mean, Peace, that cat is not protein? Or that there is mroe water in its tissues?

For me and my house, give me Danish.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 02:15 PM

Danish cats are good, too. I'm with ya, Ebbie.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 02:16 PM

But then, to answer your question: I have plenty of good water available.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: GUEST,rarelamb
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 03:05 PM

Why does it make it tough? I have boiled ribs before grilling and I gotta tell ya the meat almost drips of the bone.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 05:36 PM

The boiling is to get most of the fat off the ribs. I have boiled muskrat before. It's good to do that for about 15 minutes then lower the heat (or move the pot further away from the fire). If the meat is well marbled with fat then the boiling doesn't toughen it as much. Better to slow-cook as opposed to boil. Also, slow cooking 'keeps' more of the protein value of the meat (or vegetable).

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 06:16 PM

How could the collection of idiots not realized that people would not evacuate because of their pets? I certainly knew that...but there are great problems with having pets in shelters, and I hope that since it is now being done they are segretated into pet and nonpet shelters. There will be serious problems unless there are no shortages of anything...constant noise, filth, disease, danger from bites...and some pets are birds...what a great way for bird flu to take hold...children will be attacked...and what about the animals that are dangerous to start with? Pit bulls etc....and the ones that aren't dangerous at home but milling around with hundreds of other animals, some of whom are predators and some are prey for them..like kitty with aforementioned birds...under conditions of overcrowding etc....If/since they have decided to do this, there had better be vetinary technicians and/or animal control people at each shelter to deal with any problems via tranquilizers or whatever is needed both for pets and their owners and their potential victims. Think of the superdome situation with 2,000 cats, 4,000 dogs, 27 goats, 14 pythons, 27 alligators, 200 rats, 300 gerbils, 3 llamas and 94 chickens and 424 parakeets. Good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 06:17 PM

"Think of the superdome situation with 2,000 cats, 4,000 dogs, 27 goats, 14 pythons, 27 alligators, 200 rats, 300 gerbils, 3 llamas and 94 chickens and 424 parakeets"

Enough food for a bit, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 06:32 PM

Peace, you are the limit! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 06:45 PM

Oh, Ebbie, I do feel a bit strange joking about a serious matter. I am afraid that I think pets should be left behind in evacuations. I know I would feel badly having had to leave Tamar behind, or any of many other pets (friends, really), but the logistics of evacuations are such that there is just no room and pets help create confusion and other types of concerns that cloud the issues that arise in panic/desperate situations.

On those occasions when we search a house for people, we will take a pet with us if we encounter one. But if we then encounter a person, the pet gets left behind. No one will re-enter just to save a pet.

I have a great love for animals and I would never treat one with cruelty. As a child my pet dog was poisoned by a family that lived just around the corner. In the next two years I broke every single window in that house with a slingshot--including the picture window and the designed windows in the front door of their place. I also had a dog that growled at my daughter when she was crawling near the dog's food dish. I took the dog and my .22 and was going to the dump. A neighbour asked if she could take the dog to be a companion for her father. I gave her the dog. If she had not been there at that moment, the dog would have stayed at the dump. However, it is a no brainer as far as I am concerned. People come before pets.

That said, I think that your initial post is great. No creature deserves to be deserted or left in misery. The work being done by people to rescue/reuntie/find homes for pets is admirable. I think that on occasion my sense of humour just carries me along. Please excuse me for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 06:46 PM

"rescue/reuntie/find"

reUNITE

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 07:42 PM

Hey, friend, I'm with you.

I got to tryig to figure out the weight of the feathers of 424 parakeets. Should be at least 2/3 of a pound, don't you think? Quite a bit of roughage there.

Eb

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 07:49 PM

Before picture.

Give a little squeeze and voila:

After.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 08:19 PM

Don't know the weight, but this is what it would look like.

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 08:30 PM

Acess Forbidden to preceding link. I might just die of hearbreak, but I'd leave. Pets in the Superdome...including snakes...

Subject: RE: BS: Saving Left Behind Pets
From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 08:33 PM

Sorry, Sorcha. Shows all kinds of feathers in the air. Lots of people around.

"including snakes"

There are a few of them in the White House.