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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Don Firth Date: 17 Oct 06 - 12:47 PM Right, Bill. The steps we should take right now are relatively easy compared to what they would be fifty years from now. If we wait until it's obvious to everyone, chances are it will be too late to do anything about it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Bill D Date: 17 Oct 06 - 12:36 PM "... what can be done about this global warming and how do we know it is man made?" Lots can be done...and since there is some evidence that we humans are making it worse, the only prudent course is to assume that we are at least partially at fault! This is called 'caution'. I would rather err on the side of caution than wait until it is CLEAR that we needed to change our ways 50 years ago! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Don Firth Date: 17 Oct 06 - 12:30 PM That global warming is an established scientific fact, and that human activity (wholesale pouring of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere from automobiles, coal-fired power plants, dozens of other sources) is either causing it, or is dangerously accelerating it, is also a scientifically established fact. No, we are not "all doomed." But we will be if we keep doing what we're doing. That, too, is an established scientific fact. Scientists say so. Auto manufacturers, power plants, and other businesses that might have to spend a little money to reduce or eliminate their contributions to atmospheric polution--and the politicians they own--say either that it isn't so, or "well, let's study it for a few more centuries." Personally, I'll believe a scientist over a politician every time. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Amos Date: 17 Oct 06 - 09:56 AM Old Guy: OVercome your reluctance, and see the movie. It won't hurt, and it may inform. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: GUEST Date: 17 Oct 06 - 09:42 AM "Every time I ask what can be done, I get told "see the movie" I do not care to see the movie." Actually, various people upthread (maybe you?) asked what can we do, and I posted a link to UCS's common sense solutions. Here it is again. Don't see the movie. Read this. Practical Solutions to Global Warming |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 17 Oct 06 - 08:46 AM You have been advised to see the movie, cause it is well researched and well put together, far better than trying to get the answers thru a thread at Mudcat... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: GUEST,TIA Date: 17 Oct 06 - 08:17 AM Nope. "Dumbass" was the personal attack. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Bunnahabhain Date: 17 Oct 06 - 08:07 AM What can be done? Try a few of these things, Old guy. Drive a smaller car, that will do better gas milage. Try and do fewer miles in it, by combining trips and such like. Insulate you house well, and get used to wearing a sweater indoors in the winter. There are lots of others, but I don't know your circumstances. If you live in cabin in rural Alaska, it will be well insulated already, and you do need a four wheel drive out there. It's not a question of going back to the stone age, it's simply producing electricity , and running cars in ways that don't produce Carbon dioxide. It wil take decades to get to that stage, so in the meantime, use ways that produce less. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Barry Finn Date: 17 Oct 06 - 02:51 AM First try using your voting power & help elect someone with an enviormentally friendly brain & continue from there. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 17 Oct 06 - 01:13 AM "blind stupid allegiance to a political party" An assertion, not a fact and a personal attack. My point is, what can be done about this global warming and how do we know it is man made? Every time I ask what can be done, I get told "see the movie" I do not care to see the movie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Don Firth Date: 16 Oct 06 - 11:21 PM ". . . there is no way to turn it around unless we all go back to the pre-industrial era, voluntarily." Untrue. There are plenty of things we can do to stop the trend and reverse it, things that would improve our lives immensely. But there are those who are afraid that it will impinge on there profits and others who think it will alter their way of life. Well, it will to that--but it will alter it for the better And it will also help to insure that future generations (do you have children and grandchildren, Old Guy?) will have a decent world to live in. But that's just too much trouble for some folks to even bother thinking about. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: GUEST,TIA Date: 16 Oct 06 - 11:15 PM Dumbass. There's a difference between being fried by a natural, unstoppable occurence, and actively doing it to yourself and your children because it is more important to you that you follow your blind stupid allegiance to a political party. BTW, how soon will the Earth be swallowed by the sun? Any difference (that you know of) between the Earth biota now, and the biota at a comparable time in the past? Never mind. Just went way beyond you. Sorry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 16 Oct 06 - 10:56 PM I hate to intrude on your "we are all doomed" club but the fact is that we are all doomed. It we don't wipe ourselves out, nature will do it for us. Yellowstone could blow tonight and start a nuclear winter that could wipe out mankind. Even it that calamity and thousands of other possible calamities are somehow avoided, eventually the earth will be toasted by the sun. If global warming is not a nautral occurance, a cycle like other cycles in history, is man made, there is no way to turn it around unless we all go back to the pre-industrial era, voluntarily. Who wants to be the first in line? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Don Firth Date: 16 Oct 06 - 02:46 PM "So the continets[sic] slide around but the climate stays the same until humans screw it up?" . . . friggin' pathetic. . . . Jaysus, Old Guy, Read a Book!!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Wolfgang Date: 16 Oct 06 - 11:14 AM It is nice to see the hasty reactions to the troll post. But it was a fine trool post making fun of all the attempts to bring up personal experience as a proof of global warming. I wonder why some people who did react this time did not react the many times someone else used a particularly warm period or a sequence of hurricanes as proof for the other side. The local effects of (real BTW) global warming are too variable and too small to be detectable by personal experience. But I do not think highly of those posters who first look for which opinion (man made global warming / global warming scepticism) a local personal experience is quoted and then either welcome it warmly or turn to science. Double standard posters! (1) Never trust personal experience for so tiny effects (which could have large consequences, but that's something else, the effects are small compared to the standard deviation). Only trust good science for measuring these effects. (2) Trust measurements much more than models. We had the sad case reported just last weekend that the really big science global/local climate model (into which millions of Euros have flown) which did predict for Germany much more rain during winter, Mediterranean climate in summer, long periods ofdrought for some regions was found to be wrong. Not just a bit. Fatally wrong from the very onset. That means back to the start for the one big German model. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Alice Date: 16 Oct 06 - 11:01 AM I think old guy has proven his ignorance is bliss to him and he will hold on to that ignorance against any attempt to educate him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Bunnahabhain Date: 16 Oct 06 - 07:52 AM Those are not all time records, Old Guy. 21,000 years ago, at the peak of the last Glacial Period, Chicargo was under a mile of ice. Climate change is not new, but normally happens slower than this, and factors such as variations in the Earths orbit are responsible, not man-made Carbon Dioxide. Don, It is entirely possible that continenetial drift would not have been taught when Old Guy was at school. It was proposed as a theory in the 30's, but only proven in about 1965-67. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 16 Oct 06 - 07:18 AM Exactly what the deniers are full of... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 15 Oct 06 - 11:48 PM Flatulence!Lots of stinky, hot air everywhere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Oct 06 - 11:11 PM Turbulence! In the full global picture, as you have been told before local relatively small local areas will give instances that appear to be the opposite of the real trend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 15 Oct 06 - 11:04 PM I am not saying global warming is not happening but here are some all time records: In Chicago, the storm on Thursday caused brief white-out conditions and marked the earliest measurable snow on record. SUMMIT COUNTY Colorado. Friday's opening marked the earliest-ever start for A-Basin, and comes on the heels of a winter with banner snow that set a record for skier visits at The Legend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 15 Oct 06 - 10:55 PM First, if you get off the plane in Mexico, little buggers come up to you and try to shine your tennis shoes for a penny. Then you notice it is warmer. If you keep going and pass over the equator, you are upside down and the water draining out of a sink spins counter clockwise. If you keep going, it gets real cold and the sink won't drain at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Oct 06 - 10:51 PM "things could get pretty damned nasty in other parts of the world. Droughts, crop failures, increased "desertification,"" Welcome to Australia! The wheat and rice crops are likely to be about 25% of last year... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: GUEST,TIA Date: 15 Oct 06 - 10:26 PM Old Guy, Have you ever flown south? Did you notice anything when you stepped off the plane? I can only believe that you are being deliberately obtuse, because nobody is that ignorant. ('til now?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 15 Oct 06 - 10:15 PM So the continets slide around but the climate stays the same until humans screw it up? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: GUEST,Boab Date: 15 Oct 06 - 10:13 PM Palm trees, Old Guy? The Isle of Arran--off the west of Scotland, has palm trees galore. And far from a looming rise in temperature due to global warming, the temperature in the UK/Western Europe region is expected to DROP, due to the probable diversion of the Gulf Stream, which is the factor which makes palm trees a part of Scottish vegetation. Whether or not this drop in temperature has permanence is debatable; I imagine it will depend in the mid to long term on the degree of the general global warming trend. Does all this mean that Boab is a convinced "believer"? Itdoesn't. I think there is a probable warming trend, and if not, it's No thanks to the heedless career of humanity, which is HELLbent in ignoring calls for action which will reduce their contribution to such a dangerous trend. If there is even a slight possibility that we are responsible for all or any part of a warming trend we owe it to our kids, grandkids and greatgrandkids [and I have all of them] to take whatever action possible which will slow down or stop this situation from reaching a deadly stage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: GUEST,TIA Date: 15 Oct 06 - 10:13 PM Seashells in the Himalaya! Proves, yes PROVES that scientists don't know shit. Clams got no legs, let alone crampons. What an F'in MOron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: GUEST,Old Fat Woody Date: 15 Oct 06 - 09:20 PM Why it's the Model T Ford made the trouble made the people wanna go, wanna get, wanna get up and go seven eight , nine, ten, twelve, fourteen, twenty-two, twenty-three miles to the county seat. Yes sir, yes sir It's the model T ford made the global warming. Yes sir, yes sir |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Don Firth Date: 15 Oct 06 - 09:16 PM Old Guy, when you're boning up on the sciences, learn something about geology. Have you never heard of "continental drift?" What are now arctic regions were not always in the higher latitudes. What the hell did they teach you in school? Or was that back when they still thought the earth was flat? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 15 Oct 06 - 08:55 PM I wonder how coal got to be in Antarctica? And Oil in the north slope of Alaska where no plants grow? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Oct 06 - 08:43 PM Gee, Old, sorry you were up at 4:18 AM. Hope the snow doesn't keep you up again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Don Firth Date: 15 Oct 06 - 08:35 PM ". . . the area gets colder again and the ice cap rebuilds." That's an essentially localized effect which would not take effect if the worldwide temperature continues to rise as a result of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. There's an old say about "not able to see the forest for the trees." You have to look at the overall picture, Old Guy. Global warming means global warming, and although it may have temporary localized effects that seem to indicated that it isn't taking effect in the short term, that doesn't meant that it isn't happening. By the time it makes itself patently, obviously undeniable to people like you, it will be far too late. You, and everybody else, will soon be boiling in their own juices. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Greg F. Date: 15 Oct 06 - 05:49 PM If it was, then sevaral |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Bunnahabhain Date: 15 Oct 06 - 05:26 PM It's not simple, Old Guy. If it was, then our |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 15 Oct 06 - 04:14 PM OK Amos, It was a troll but I sure got a lot of bites from the Kneejerk Liberals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Amos Date: 15 Oct 06 - 04:11 PM OG: Look -- go see "An Inconvenient Truth" and pay close attention to the math. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 15 Oct 06 - 04:06 PM Im just asking. No need to get you drawers all in a bind. Now the Greenland Ice cap. The gulfstream brings warm water northward into the area and the salt in the water makes if eventually sink and flow in reverse, bringing cooler water back to the gulf. Am I right so far? So when the cap melts and the water is less salty, it does not sink so much and the northerly flow slows down the warming effect, the area gets colder again and the ice cap rebuilds. Is that why these palm trees were growing in england at one time? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Don Firth Date: 15 Oct 06 - 01:45 PM Old Guy, get a clue! Global warming is a upward trend in the global temperature, and like all meteorological phenomena, an instance or two that seems to contradict the trend does not mean the trend isn't happening! Some posts back I point out the matter of the Greenland ice cap melting (which it is doing at a rapid rate) and pouring enough cold, fresh water into the warm, salty Gulf Stream, potentially disturbing its flow and basically, shutting it down. With the cessation of the warm flow of the Gulf Stream, Northern Europe would experience a severe drop in temperature--a sort of mini-Ice Age (it's happened before). But that would only be temporary. The global temperature would continue to rise and the cold temperatures in Nothern Europe would end soon enough. In the meantime, things could get pretty damned nasty in other parts of the world. Droughts, crop failures, increased "desertification," and much more severe storms (hurricanes, tornadoes). Learn something about meteorology. You might also take a look at planetology. We can see, by examining conditions on planets like Venus, just how dangerous to humanity--or all life on Earth--a runaway greenhouse effect can be. Don't snort. It's possible! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Amos Date: 15 Oct 06 - 01:41 PM Hang tough, Old Guy. The fact that you do not understand the science does not mean it isn't there, you know. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 15 Oct 06 - 01:24 PM What happened to those terrible hurricanes this year? You know, the ones caused by global warming? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Don Firth Date: 15 Oct 06 - 01:20 PM One heavy snowfall doth not an Ice Age make. One of the effects of global warming is that all weather tends to grow more extreme--but the temperature trend is upward. A warmer atmosphere holds more moisture in suspension, so one effect of global warming is that when the temperature does cool (temporarily) and the moisture precipitates out, rainfall or snowfall tends to be heavier. Basic meteorology. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Old Guy Date: 15 Oct 06 - 04:18 AM The lake-effect snowfall was a record for October, with 14.3 inches falling on Friday at the Buffalo Niagara International Airport. Combined with 8.3 inches recorded on Thursday, there was about 22.6 inches measured at the airport as of 11 a.m. The previous record was 6 inches on Oct. 31, 1917. http://albany.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2006/10/09/daily47.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Don Firth Date: 11 Aug 06 - 01:53 PM Along with the fact that cold, fresh water in that quantity would alter the course of the Gulf Stream, which would, in turn, alter the climate of northern Europe. A regional Ice Age. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Aug 06 - 10:11 AM Once all the weight of an ice cap comes off, there is a chance that the extra buoyancy will cause that mass land to rise. It is even more likely that if this land is in an area of geological instability, that earth tremors may be induced. Possible land and water disruptions may then ensue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: freda underhill Date: 11 Aug 06 - 08:48 AM The meltdown of Greenland's ice sheet is speeding up. Data from a US space agency (Nasa) satellite show that the melting rate has accelerated since 2004. If the ice cap were to completely disappear, global sea levels would rise by 6.5m (21 feet). Estimated monthly changes in the mass of Greenland's ice sheet suggest it is melting at a rate of about 239 cubic kilometres (57.3 cubic miles) per year. This figure is about three times higher than an earlier estimate. (BBC online) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: GUEST,Al Date: 04 Aug 06 - 10:25 PM You can get a hell of a buzz off of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 04 Aug 06 - 09:19 AM Does putting acetone in your gas make it smell better? Should we ask Spaw? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: GUEST,Al Date: 04 Aug 06 - 09:07 AM 2 to 3 ounces of acetone per 10 gallons of gas gets an extra 2 mpg or more gas mileage for most people. It has something to do with better more complete burning of the gas. Works with diesels too. Acetone is a comodity so it is not hype for a particular "wonder" product. It costs around $5 per quart or $15 per gallon. Google it or go to http://www.gasbuddy.com/Forum_MSG.aspx?master=1&category=1054&topic=153466&page_no=1 There are other gas saving topics there and they debunk rip offs like magnets on your gas line. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Don Firth Date: 04 Aug 06 - 01:09 AM Well, let's put it this way: I heard on the news a few days ago about a guy who took Viagra. Shortly thereafter he started having trouble with his eyes. He took some more and he lost all the sight in one of his eyes. Then he took another and he went stone blind. Think I'm making this up? Clicky Some folks are so focused on what they consider short term gains that they completely ignore the obvious signs and blunder—blindly—into disaster. Have another tank of gas. What the hell! Buy yourself a new SUV! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Aug 06 - 12:25 AM Why do you add acetone to your gas? |
