BS: Where's the Global Warming

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: freda underhill
Date: 06 May 10 - 07:44 AM

Last year on 23 September I was woken up by a phone call at 6.00 am. A neighbour warned me to close the windows. i looked outside and saw a sight that looked post holocaust. The sky was thick with red gold light, and the air was hazy and everything a blur through the haze. A massive red dust storm had rolled in from the central desert, smothering my house, street and city with thick choking dust.

There was an article in the paper today, saying that due to the unseasonal heat and dryness, it may happen again.

I had thought it was a once in a lifetime event.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: TheSnail
Date: 06 May 10 - 04:50 AM

Sawzaw

Was this chart posted by you a random cherry picked chart?

No, it was a chart showing the Northern Hemisphere Sea Ice Anomaly from exactly the same source as this chart which you had posted showing the Southern Hemisphere Sea Ice Anomaly. In the ensuing discussion I posted these links -
Antarctic ice sheet losing mass, says University of Colorado study
All About Sea Ice: Characteristics: Arctic vs. Antarctic
NASA - Sea Ice May Be on Increase in the Antarctic: A Phenomenon Due to a Lot of 'Hot Air'?
which you did not respond to.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinions, Sawzaw, but if you wish to convince others of their validity you need to back them up with some properly researched facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 May 10 - 01:30 AM

"You have put this forward as a policy that the world should follow"

I have stated my opinions. You are welcome to state yours.

You are welcome to post any chart you want and interpret any way you want.

Was this chart posted by you a random cherry picked chart?

When I stated my opinions on Geothermal energy I was not aware of anything Gore said about geothermal.

If Al Gore is in favor of Geothermal energy, I am with him on that.

If you believe using Geothermal energy will prevent global warming and help the environment I am with you on that.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: TheSnail
Date: 05 May 10 - 04:00 PM

Sawzaw

Do you still believe that thermal pollution (equivalent to about an hour's worth of solar input per year) is a significant factor in the climate? You are correct. I was wrong.

Oh Sawzaw! What are you going to do? That's been one of your main arguments for so long. More to the point, what does it say about your credibility? You have put this forward as a policy that the world should follow but it took me a few minutes to find thae facts to knock it down. Had you done ANY research or were you just taking the word of some skeptic website?

Why do you claim they are random cherry picked charts?

Well take this one for a start -
This chart should unleash a flurry if hostile uncivil remarks from the Illuminati.

Did you have the faintest idea what it meant? Did you know what PDO stood for? Did you make any effort to find out?

And what about this one.

It was one of a whole series of charts. You picked one that appeared to show no global warming; I found one that did. Neither of them prove anything without a proper interpretation.

And the there was this one.

You complained about GISS and NOAA restricting themselves to 1500 weather stations and you think the results from ONE prove something?

Why are you making excuses for Al Gore?

I'm not. The man may be a complete charlatan for all I know. I'm just using your logic.

In a television interview, Gore said "millions" when he should have said "thousands". He wasn't talking about global warming, he was talking about geothermal energy. Do you think he was trying to "big up" the potential? Do you think geothermal energy is a non-runner? Odd, you've supported it yourself on this very thread.

He got his facts wrong by several orders of magnitude. This led one skeptics' website to feel justified in saying "Al Gore is an idiot and a hypocrite.". You got your facts about thermal pollution from human energy generation wrong by several orders of magnitude...

That's not what I am saying, it's what YOU are saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 May 10 - 01:09 AM

Do you still believe that thermal pollution (equivalent to about an hour's worth of solar input per year) is a significant factor in the climate? You are correct. I was wrong.

Why do you keep posting random, cherry picked charts that appear to show that there is no global warming? (Even though they often show no such thing. Why do you claim they are random cherry picked charts? Am I supposed to get them pre approved by you to make sure they meet your criteria?

...and I'll add a couple more -

What point were you trying to make when you asked -

Which country emits the most CO2? I was showing that the US is not the biggest CO2 emitter

Which country emits the most CO2 per capita?

and what was the purpose of the question - I was showing that the US is not the biggest CO2 emitter per capita.

Who said "The interior of the earth is extremely hot, several millions of degrees."? I was illustrating that AL Gore is sloppy with his "facts"

Why are you making excuses for Al Gore?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 May 10 - 11:56 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: kendall
Date: 04 May 10 - 07:55 PM

Temps here are way above normal. We have Lilacs in bloom for the first time in history this early in May.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: TheSnail
Date: 04 May 10 - 11:11 AM

Glad to see you're OK, Sawzaw, I was getting worried about you. Would you care to asnwer any of the questions I asked on 20 Apr 10 - 08:04 PM?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 May 10 - 11:02 AM

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID11224/images/Wx_tornadoTrend.png Works for me

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 May 10 - 02:24 AM

Sorry, 'image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID11224/images/Wx_tornadoTrend.png' does not exist or is not available.

"Climate change is much more complex than the average temperature of one month in one location."

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 04 May 10 - 12:41 AM

Western lifestyle unsustainable, says climate expert Rajendra Pachauri

Rajendra Pachauri, the chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), warned that western society must undergo a radical value shift if the worst effects of climate change were to be avoided. A new value system of "sustainable consumption" was now urgently required, he said.

"Today we have reached the point where consumption and people's desire to consume has grown out of proportion," said Pachauri. "The reality is that our lifestyles are unsustainable."

The Golf Links area in Central Delhi where Dr Pachauri lives is named after the nearby Delhi Golf Course and is one of the most expensive residential areas in India. Every home in this gated community has its own security guard and it enjoys round-the-clock police patrols to protect its wealthy residents.

Dr Pachauri’s neighbours include a former prime minister’s son and senior Indian business leaders. Indian steel tycoon Lakshmi Mittal, Britain’s richest man with an estimated £10.8billion fortune, owns a home in the same area.

Currently, homes of a similar size to Dr Pachauri’s are being advertised at prices of around £6million.

Explaining the area’s sky-high property prices, the director of an international property broker told India’s Economic Times: ‘This area has a certain snob value attached to it. Buying a house here means announcing to the world that one has arrived in life.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1247376/Controversial-climate-change-boss-uses-car-AND-driver-travel-mile-office---says-YOU-use-public-transport.html#ixzz0mpWr1YSO


Al Gore, Tipper Gore snap up Montecito-area villa

April 28, 2010 Los Angeles Times

The Italian-style home has an ocean view, fountains, six fireplaces, five bedrooms and nine bathrooms.

Former Vice President Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, have added a Montecito-area property to their real estate holdings, reports the Montecito Journal.

The couple spent $8,875,000 on an ocean-view villa on 1.5 acres with a swimming pool, spa and fountains, a real estate source familiar with the deal confirms. The Italian-style house has six fireplaces, five bedrooms and nine bathrooms.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 May 10 - 11:19 PM

"Sydney has fifth warmest April in 151 years PAUL TATNELL
April 30, 2010 - 4:53PM Sydney Morning Herald"

Cherry picked data rears it's ugly head again.

Climate change is much more complex than the average temperature of one month in one location.

That is why the usual springtime tornado activity in the US this year is way below normal:

This chart shows the daily count for tornadoes as well as a running total for the year compared to the average for the past 5 years 2005-2009.

Notice that despite a few active days in January, only one day in February produced a tornado. March and April have continued to be quiet. This chart includes data up through Wednesday. Since then, an additional 40 tornadoes have been added on Thursday and Friday. That brings the total for the year of 2010 up to 138, still well below the 452 average ( more likely 470 compared to the same date range)

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 May 10 - 01:36 AM

As Amos said - turbulence - the atmosphere is not uniform in temperature and humidity. Which is WHY we have 'weather'....

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Amos
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:25 PM

Ebbie:

Global planet is a huge, complex system with millions of variable mini-climates working within it. That's all. If the planet warms, some spots get hotter faster, others get hit with more wind, and the place and time of precipitation begins to alter its pattern. And that's just above sea-level. Within the massive regions of saltwater, major currents andf striations build up and shift their courses, their frequencies, their velocities, and their directional patterns, and the cycles of reptition change which adds more change to the complex patterns of air warming and rising or cooling and descending.

It's not "weather change", it's "climate change" that is being measured by the long term surface trends.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:16 PM

"both higher and lower...now I'm really confused FT."

One word - Turbulence. I have mentioned it before here, but the screaming abusive trolls swamped it with about a thousand posts of non-sense non-science....

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:32 AM

both higher and lower...now I'm really confused FT.

but here's more..

Sydney has fifth warmest April in 151 years PAUL TATNELL
April 30, 2010 - 4:53PM Sydney Morning Herald

Sydney has experienced its fifth warmest April on record with a month of balmy nights and little rain. But don't put away the warm clothes just yet with predictions that winter is on the way; it's just running a little late. The average April minimum temperature was 1 degree above the average of 16 degrees. Combined with high humidity and little wind, temperatures rose.

With the average April maximum of 25 degrees, Sydney recorded its second highest maximum temperatures averages in 151 years. Meteorologist for Fairfax company weatherzone.com.au, Samuel Terry, said a number of high pressure systems meant pleasant weather, but, in bad news for our water catchments, very little rain.

"A high pressure ridge extended in over New South Wales for most of the month, preventing any real cold fronts from pushing through. Towards the middle of the month, a humid, northerly wind flow established which really bumped up temperatures," he said.

Mr Terry said Sydney had received well below its normal rainfall for 2010, which is unusual considering most of Sydney's rain usually comes before July. He said unless Sydney receives some "good rain" in May "we could be in a bit of trouble". "As well as being a warm month, April was a dry month, with the city collecting only 30 millimetres; just under a quarter of what is normal," he said.

"This made it the driest April in four years for Sydney, and it was similar for most other suburbs across the Sydney Basin, including Canterbury and Penrith."

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 05:37 PM

Freda's article:

GW/CC Theory states that Turbulence will increase - thus both higher and lower temperatures may be experienced at the same location....

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: freda underhill
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 05:33 AM

Headline in today's Sydney Morning Herald:
Hottest late April in 88 years April 27, 2010

NOT since the April days of 1922 has Sydney had such a run of warm weather so late in autumn. Last Friday, the temperature reached 30.7 degrees in the city - the hottest day this late in the season for 88 years. A Weatherzone.com.au meteorologist, Josh Fisher, said April typically had warm days but the recent ''late season heat'' was unusual.

But as the end of the month nears, 21 of 26 days so far have been above the long-term April average of 22.4 degrees. The average temperature so far this month has been 25.1 degrees. ''I would say that we would be coming up with quite a [significantly] warm April,'' Peter Zmijewski, a Bureau of Meteorology forecaster, said.

Sunday night was the coolest night since last October for some parts of Sydney, including Mascot and Homebush, hovering around 11 to 12 degrees. Mr Fisher said it has also been quite dry, with just 30mm falling in Sydney so far this month, compared with the usual 126mm in April.

The bureau expects temperatures to stay around average for the remainder of the week.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 10:50 AM

Confusing millions of degrees with thousands of degrees is an error of magnitude.
Confusing percent with standard deviation is an error type.
If the former erodes credibility, the latter demolishes it.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 08:33 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: TheSnail
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 08:04 PM

Sawzaw

So what you are saying Snail is that anybody that disagrees with you is stupid?

I have never said anything remotely resembling that.

It so happens I believe there is some global warming. I believe it is over hyped with scare tactics. And I believe there is a profit motive behind it.

Have you studied any of these things I believe?

I'm sorry Sawzaw, but studying your belief systems is not high on my list of priorities. Produce coherent evidence and I will happily discuss it.

You don't seem to be very good at answering questions so I'll repeat a few here -

Do you still believe that thermal pollution (equivalent to about an hour's worth of solar input per year) is a significant factor in the climate?

Why do you keep posting random, cherry picked charts that appear to show that there is no global warming? (Even though they often show no such thing.)

...and I'll add a couple more -

What point were you trying to make when you asked -

Which country emits the most CO2?

Which country emits the most CO2 per capita?

and what was the purpose of the question -

Who said "The interior of the earth is extremely hot, several millions of degrees."?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 07:17 PM

"It so happens I believe there is some global warming. I believe it is over hyped with scare tactics. And I believe there is a profit motive behind it."

And many also believe there is a profit motive behind those denying GW/CC.

Snap!

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 02:39 PM

What does Gore's believability have to do with it? You could prove beyond a doubt that Gore was a lizardoid alien in a man-suit sent to curb our oil consumption so the alien mother ship could later come and suck all our wells dry for their own nefarious purposes, but there still would be global warming. Gore's famous bloopers are a handful of sand to throw in people's faces. Ask yourself, "Who would want to draw our attention away from the reality of global warming?"

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 02:11 PM

So what you are saying Snail is that anybody that disagrees with you is stupid?

It so happens I believe there is some global warming. I believe it is over hyped with scare tactics. And I believe there is a profit motive behind it.

Have you studied any of these things I believe?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 09:24 AM

It may not matter to some of folks and the symbiotic relationship/fixatioon with the late Mr. Gore..(late, as to his influence on anything much in the real world). But, it sure does when it comes to a greater understanding our life supporting planet :)

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: TheSnail
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 08:03 AM

It doesn't matter, Ed. In this case, Gore got it spectacularly wrong. According to the sceptics, this invalidates everything he says. Sawzaw has also got several things spectacularly wrong. Apply the logic.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 06:59 AM

Here is what I read in the past:

Figures I have seen speculate that the Earth's core temperature is between 5,000C to 7,000C, with many estimates on either side of this....some that I have seen as low as 1,500C. Anyone got a more specific deduced # ?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: TheSnail
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 03:45 AM

Sawzaw

Who said "The interior of the earth is extremely hot, several millions of degrees."?

Al Gore. We all make mistakes. For instance, you posted this chart under the impression taht it would demonstrate an absence of global warming when it did nothing of the sort. Would you like to go through everything Gore has said and check it to see how many bloopers he made?

Before you do that (which will take you quite a long time) could you let me know whether you still believe that thermal pollution (equivalent to about an hour's worth of solar input per year) is a significant factor in the climate?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 12:43 AM

Our fathers thought the world was flat, and we think it is round, not because the earth has changed its shape, but because men have revised their thoughts. — Damon Dalrymple

The earth is large and old enough to teach us modesty. — Hans Cloos

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 12:08 AM

Who said "The interior of the earth is extremely hot, several millions of degrees."?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 11:30 PM

On Earth cycles:
http://quakestar.org/milankovitch_cycles.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 07:25 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63E4SG20100415

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: TheSnail
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 11:21 AM

Sawzaw

Which country emits the most CO2?

China.

Which country emits the most CO2 per capita?

Qatar.

Your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:37 AM

Seems plausible to me Snail but I still want to study it some more.

Which country emits the most CO2?

Which country emits the most CO2 per capita?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 06:39 AM

"the amount of water vapour is on average a fairly constant percentage world wide."

Haha! Close enough for a 'back of the envelope calculation' guess! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 06:32 AM

No Snail! Unfair!

You resorted to Science, not .. er, ... um ... Rhetoric? er, no, um.....

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: TheSnail
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 05:03 AM

Sawzaw

When Al Gore was asked what are the greenhouse gasses, why did he leave out water vapor?

Here you are.

Read and understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 03:00 AM

"When Al Gore was asked what are the greenhouse gasses, why did he leave out water vapor? "

Alas! I am not a mind reader! But I suppose you are, so you will come up with some esoteric conspiracy involving the colour of his underpants...

Also, at a layman's guess, the amount of water vapour is on average a fairly constant percentage world wide.

And, ya know, mate, when it gets too high a percentage, it's called Rain!
:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 02:43 AM

Foolestroupe:

When Al Gore was asked what are the greenhouse gasses, why did he leave out water vapor?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 06:08 PM

"Why do you keep posting random, cherry picked charts that appear to show that there is no global warming?"

People were doing that because they had no clue how Science works, or what the up to date cutting edge Theory of GW/CC was about - I posted a basic explanation of how Science works and why that attitude of taking something that a Theory predicts as proof that the Theory is wrong, exposed them as not understanding GW/CC in spite of their pretending to (bullshitting, in other words). The occurrence died down a little...

If they are still insisting on doing it

1) They lack the intellectual capacity to understand what the Science IS... or

2) They read that illumination of mine and just continue to post such rubbish purely for Trolling purposes.

It appears that some people only respond to The 12 gauge Solution - pity it is not PC...

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: TheSnail
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 08:38 AM

Sawzaw

If you read my posts you will see where I said that if CO2 emissions were reduced to 0 or even reversed back to levels 200 years ago there will still be global warming due to man's use of energy which results in thermal pollution. More people=more heat.

From here -

"The total solar energy absorbed by Earth's atmosphere, oceans and land masses is approximately 3,850,000 exajoules (EJ) per year.[11] In 2002, this was more energy in one hour than the world used in one year.[12][13]"

After you have read it and understand it let me know if you have a question.

I think I'd rather spend my time reading and understanding what qualified climatologists have to say. A question? Why do you keep posting random, cherry picked charts that appear to show that there is no global warming? (Even though they often show no such thing.)

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 02:17 AM

1200 posts of garbage...

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 01:18 AM

"refused to disclose the data used to construct them. This breached a basic rule of scientific procedure"

Haha! And those playing with genetics stuff claim that they can't release THEIR data either, because their material is 'commercial in confidence' because of trying to patent Nature...

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 01:07 AM

At the forefront of those who found suspicious the graphs based on tree rings from the Yamal peninsula in Siberia was McIntyre himself, not least because for years the CRU refused to disclose the data used to construct them. This breached a basic rule of scientific procedure. But last summer the Royal Society insisted on the rule being obeyed, and two months ago Briffa accordingly published on his website some of the data McIntyre had been after.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 08:59 PM

"Why did the "researcher" hide the data for 10 years? "

Ah - a couple of Australians recently got the Nobel Prize.

It took many years for their ground breaking work, which involved some serendipity as well as discovering a whole new Genus of bacteria that behaved differently in many ways - hence the need for a new Genus to describe them, to be accepted - they were widely ridiculed at first by the leading 'experts'.

Now we accept that stomach ulcers are NOT "caused by stress, excess stomach acid, etc". The bacteria are held in check, probably even since birth, until the immune system is compromised, often by 'mental stress' or other illnesses, and they then multiply out of control. Nowadays, the accepted treatment is a course of defined anti-biotics, and a few other things, that destroys them and their resultant side effects in a couple of weeks. Taking medications that reduce stomach acid levels, eating mush food, etc are now recognised as nothing more than medieval old wives tales, that really have no effect any more than wishful thinking. My grandfather died back in the early 70s, if this 'discovery' had been made earlier, his ulcers would have been cured.

One guy even infected himself with a isolated preparation of the bacteria, got extremely sick and terrified his wife, then took the cure and regained his health.

These guys knew that they had to 'hide' their 'discovery' until the proof was overwhelming, and then could say - "here is what we did, now repeat the experiments for yourselves and come back and tell us what you found". The 'experts' did, and now these guys who LOOKED at Nature are Nobel Prize Winners - their detractors are not.

Many sincere hard working scientists do not release their findings immediately - look at the nutters who claimed to discover 'cold fusion' and desperately grasped at fame...

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:49 PM

"Do you have anything to say about them?"

Who would care anyway - would you respect what I said?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 02:32 PM

Snail:

What is there in your links that is new?

There is probably some global warming and it is probably due to mankind.

If you read my posts you will see where I said that if CO2 emissions were reduced to 0 or even reversed back to levels 200 years ago there will still be global warming due to man's use of energy which results in thermal pollution. More people=more heat.

Read up on my posts so I don't have to reiterate.

You will even see a discussion [as opposed to personal attacks] of possible alternatives and ways to slow it down.

I am all for less CO2 emissions, less pollution and more efficient use of energy.

After you have read it and understand it let me know if you have a question.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 02:20 PM

"The Ozone hole, sea rise, etc."

Do you have anything to say about them?

Why did the "researcher" hide the data for 10 years?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: TheSnail
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 09:07 AM

Hi, Sawzaw. I take it you've now read and fully understood the links I posted above. What did you make of them?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:00 AM

The fool who thinks he is a fool is for that very reason a wise man;

But the fool who thinks he is a wise man is rightly called a fool.


:-)
The Fooles Troupe