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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Wolfgang Date: 08 Feb 06 - 03:34 PM No, the regulars are not openly anti-semitic like neonazis or other cranks would be and some (not so welcome) GUESTs are. But if I read a sentence like All of the people who represent me in my government have been bought and paid for by the "Israel first" lobby. in Mudcat I start seeing a shade of grey in the continuum from white to black. Jews bribe and pay to control the world was a topos (used by very honourable people with the best of intentions) in the Germany of the 20s and early 30s of last century. I have read other and worse sentences of a similar type and always shake my head in disbelief that no other Mudcatter from the left part of the political spectrum seems to notice what I see. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Amos Date: 08 Feb 06 - 02:14 PM Well, there WAS one genuinely anti-semitic post but it got deleted. The rest is -- as far as I have been able to tell -- sweeping generalities with no referent. I asked for specifics, but someone must have misinterpreted my question, because all that came in reply was a juvenile insult of some boring sort or other. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Feb 06 - 12:53 PM What a very appropriate name Arthur Butz has. Especially when the first name is pronounced the way it is in this part of the world, as "Arfa". Half-arsed. I don't think any one is denying that anti-semitism exists in the world. Just that the alleged instances of it on the part of Mudcat regulars aren't actually anto-semitic at all. (At least no one's come up with any plausible examples so far.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Wesley S Date: 08 Feb 06 - 12:34 PM Oh my God – Martin Gibson isn't really bad – he's just TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT !!!! So I'm sure everyone will want to go back and re-read the entire thread so that when they get to the part about us watching our children die in front of our eyes we can relive the warm fuzzy feeling that Martin intended !! And I should just whack my pee-pee with a hairbrush for thinking that Martin meant anything negative by his comment. That puts all of his posts in a brand new light. I'm SO glad we got that cleared up. I'm getting all misty eyed just thinking about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,AR282 Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:23 PM >>It's you, GuestAR282. tie a string around your finger so you won't forget.<< Marty, you're not a Jew. For someone who loudly proclaims himself a Jew, you have yet to diplay an ounce of knowledge about this religion, its customs or its associated languages. I hope you don't think you're actually fooling anybody. You're just a pathetic conservative doofus who needs attention and then needs to insult those who give you that attention because you think it makes you look less pathetically attention-starved. You need response but you're afriad you won't get it if you're nice. So you're a sour, nasty little prick because this generally gets you what you so crave: a little attention. But then you have to defend your actions and you can't so you crouch behind "I'm a poor little Jew, you can't attack me--that's antisemitic." That's why I prod you, Marty, I think you're funny. I poke, Marty reacts. >>I love plenty of things and have a passion for a lot more. Morons like yourself are not on that list.<< That's real nice, Marty, but that doesn't have anything to do with anything. Ya runnin outta words, boy?? That's highly unusual for a motor-mouth like you. As Thomas Pynchon once said, "You can spot a mouth like that a mile off." You need to come up with your usual insult-laced diatraibes or I'm gonna git bored with you and quit poking. And we all know you wouldn't like that one bit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:15 PM It's not my hate, bobert. You can deny the anti-semitic hate found by some here, but this thread sure has proven it exists. Because it does. I just wanted to make those that deny it exists here like yourself, see for themselves. Question is, are the ones who deny it exists just as guilty? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Bobert Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:10 PM Hey, AR, this thread ain't got one thing to with anything except Martin's need for attention... I said it 300 posts ago yet seems a lot of good people signed up for the MG circle jerk... Nevermind, I'll go back to ignoring this thread until it hits 600, 'er 6000... Hate sho nuff draws a lot of attention... Even if it is Martin's hate... which happens to be his strongest suit... Later... (No, make that much later...) Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:02 PM It's you, GuestAR282. tie a string around your finger so you won't forget. I love plenty of things and have a passion for a lot more. Morons like yourself are not on that list. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,AR282 Date: 07 Feb 06 - 09:59 PM That reminds me, Is a Jew hater someone who hates Jews or a Jew full of hate? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 07 Feb 06 - 09:43 PM And that's as proven, just so easy for you to do AR282. Another hash mark for one of Mudcat's biggest anti-semites and Jew haters, Guest AR282. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,AR282 Date: 07 Feb 06 - 09:39 PM Just as zionism is the best friend of nazism (nazism demanded the expulsion of Jews from Europe while zionism made it a reality) Martin is the best friend of Jew-haters everywhere: if you're determined to hate Jews, Martin makes it easy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 07 Feb 06 - 08:12 PM artbrooks, sorry I crossed threaded with you. I appreciate you finding that article also. The disclaimer at the end means really jackshit, though. Anyone is qualified to deny the holocaust happened and NU I hyold accountable for having someone with this mindset on their staff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 07 Feb 06 - 08:08 PM And Wesley S. I sure did make that statement. You are such a moron to show a fragment and not show it's context. It was from a Terry Schiavano thread, and was in response to the insensitivy of people who should experience the same pain like this poor woman's parents did, as they were left to watch their daughter die. You are full of hate and denial, Wesley S. You are full of crap, also. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 07 Feb 06 - 08:04 PM It does exist, Wesley S and it's real so stop denying how narrow your little southern world is. From Northwestern University's web site today and as printed in the Chicago Sun-times: February 6 MEDIA CONTACT: Alan Cubbage at 847-491-4886 or a-cubbage@northwestern.edu Statement by Northwestern University President Henry S. Bienen Regarding Associate Professor Arthur Butz Northwestern University Associate Professor Arthur Butz recently issued a statement commending Iranian President Ahmadinejad's assertion that the Holocaust never happened. Butz is a Holocaust denier who has made similar assertions previously. His latest statement, like his earlier writings and pronouncements, is a contemptible insult to all decent and feeling people. While I hope everyone understands that Butz's opinions are his own and in no way represent the views of the University or me personally, his reprehensible opinions on this issue are an embarrassment to Northwestern. There is no question that the Holocaust is a well-documented historical fact. The University has a professorship in Holocaust Studies endowed by the Holocaust Educational Foundation. Northwestern offers courses in Holocaust Studies and organizes conferences of academic scholars who teach in areas relating to the Holocaust. In addition, Northwestern hosts a summer Institute for Holocaust and Jewish Civilization. And most recently, a fellowship in the political science department has been established in my name by the Holocaust Educational Foundation. In short, Northwestern University has contributed significantly to the scholarly research of the Holocaust and remains committed to doing so. Butz is a tenured associate professor in electrical engineering. Like all faculty members, he is entitled to express his personal views, including on his personal web pages, as long as he does not represent such opinions as the views of the University. Butz has made clear that his opinions are his own and at no time has he discussed those views in class or made them part of his class curriculum. Therefore, we cannot take action based on the content of what Butz says regarding the Holocaust – however odious it may be – without undermining the vital principle of intellectual freedom that all academic institutions serve to protect. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: artbrooks Date: 07 Feb 06 - 07:56 PM Oh...300 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: artbrooks Date: 07 Feb 06 - 07:54 PM The jerk is an electrical engineer...which hardly qualifies him to comment upon the Holocaust as either a historical fact or as a precurser to subsequent events. The president of Northwestern University, Henry S. Bienen, had this to say: His [Butz's] latest statement, like his earlier writings and pronouncements, is a contemptible insult to all decent and feeling people. While I hope everyone understands that Butz's opinions are his own and in no way represent the views of the University or me personally, his reprehensible opinions on this issue are an embarrassment to Northwestern. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 07 Feb 06 - 07:42 PM Anyone who denys that the holocaust happened is a complete idiot. I'm amazed that that kind of thinking exists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Auggie Date: 07 Feb 06 - 04:16 PM Anti-semitism isn't hard to find away from the 'Cat (out in the real world) either. See the brief cut and paste below from today's Chicago Tribune. a.p. Northwestern University tenured engineering professor Arthur Butz commented in the Chicago Tribune and in the Iranian press that he agreed with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's assertions that the Holocaust is a myth. Butz, a tenured Northwestern professor since 1974, is known for denying that the Nazis killed 6 million Jews during World War II. Butz wrote that the Holocaust didn't happen, that it is a "deliberately contrived falsehood" and that its promulgation was motivated by the desire to create a Jewish state in the Middle East. About Ahmadinejad, he wrote: "I congratulate him on becoming the first head of state to speak out clearly on these issues and regret only that it was not a Western head of state."-Online Chicago Trib. 2/7/06 That a person who has acheived Butz' level of academic and professional success (for those of you ouside the US, Northwestern is a very well regarded school (hell, I couldn't get in... but I digress) can not only hold, but disseminate such a ludicrous opinion and still remain in a position of influence just boils my blood. Evidently, ignorance does not preclude one from gaining tenure at Northwestern. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: robomatic Date: 07 Feb 06 - 10:06 AM A couple of points, then my anti-semantic quote of choice: While I disagree with several mudcat posters over the past few seasons, even extremely disagree, I doubt that they would post HERE if they were truly anti-semitic. The real thing is not hard to find on the internet. Also, the quality of MG's postings has improved of late, whether or not I agree with MG, I really appreciate the comparative diminishment of previous tactics of purile abuse directed at others and lowering the standards of many threads. Well done MG, and if you needed help getting there, well done to the influence! From an episode of Seinfeld, wherein our hero had, for purely selfish purposes, induced his uncle to dump his girlfriend on the pretext that she was anti-semitic. As usually happened in such circumstances, Seinfeld was hoist by his own petard and by the end of the show he's trying to get his uncle back together with the woman: "You know you'll never do any better!" "But, Jerry, she's an anti-semit!" "Can you blame her?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Feb 06 - 05:18 AM If the post picked out as overtly anti-semitic has been removed, could that be indicated in some way? Otherwise the comments about it reads as if they aimed at some other post here, but with no indication which one that might be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: CarolC Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:47 PM Message sent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: CarolC Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:40 PM The Mudcat has a policy for dealing with posts like that one. We are supposed to ignore them in the thread, and send a PM to Joe Offer requesting their removal. I have done this in the past when I have found posts like that one, and they have been removed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Amos Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:38 PM Appreciate your restraint, Sir 6. Comment withdrawn. I get touchy about sweeping negative generalizations, but I shouldn't have aimed it at you. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:11 PM I was incorect. Here is the post I refered to : Subject: RE: BS: High Court Rules In Terry Schiavo Case From: Martin Gibson Date: 20 Mar 05 - 08:49 PM I hope all of you who do not agree that her parents have no say get to watch your child die before your eyes, also. Deal with that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:09 PM Wesley ... I never saw that post by MG ... If I did I would certainly have expressed my opinion with it also. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:07 PM "agree with you that it makes a very anti-semitic noise, but it strikes me as being by someone who wouldn't know the real thing if it dragged him off to a camp somewhere -- a juvenile asshole." I guess we should have not been offended here in my town when a bunch of juveniles sprayed some offensive Nazi hate graffiti on some buildings here ... your right they probably didn't have a clue ... but they where quite justifiably charged by the law and the disturbing, insensitive graffitti removed. What a civilized society would do. Sad thing is, that post what not by a juvenile, but an adult probably middleaged. Sure, there is mud slinging, personnal attacks, mindless posts ... but that post is undeniably disturbing. OK Amos (and I will not address you or anyone else here as a wanker) sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 06 Feb 06 - 11:00 PM If you want to see some offensive posts that were left here just start checking some of Martins old posts. Like the one where he says "I hope you all have to watch your children die slow painful deaths" I agree - the "midnight" post was indeed offensive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 06 Feb 06 - 10:51 PM Not saying that it represents the Mudcat .... just offended it is left here. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Amos Date: 06 Feb 06 - 10:46 PM Oh, Bullshit, you two wankers; that offensive post is so obvious, and so ridiculous, that no obne bothered with it. I agree with you that it makes a very anti-semitic noise, but it strikes me as being by someone who wouldn't know the real thing if it dragged him off to a camp somewhere -- a juvenile asshole. But if a clone wants to remove it, fine. For you to decide that it is representative of the Mudcat, though, is as pathetic as that post itself, unless you're just on a witch-hunt of some kind, which I would find hard to understand. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 06 Feb 06 - 10:24 PM They don't know much about anti-semitism at all 6. They don't know that they are party to it. That was the purpose of starting this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 06 Feb 06 - 10:09 PM "Another name to be added to the list of mid-night visits?" In fact it's not just disturbing .... it is offensive, and exremely insensitive. Obviously they don't know here what that post means. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 06 Feb 06 - 10:02 PM Disturbing that it wasn't removed MG .... but you have a point, it is hard evidence of anti-semitism, and it remains etched right here in this thread. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 06 Feb 06 - 09:15 PM No, don't let them remove it, Six. It's obviously from a regular here and it is a testimony to what this thread is about along with anti-semitism disguised as anti-zionist rhetoric by a very bizzare group of ultra-liberal maggots. Hi gar GOY le Your suggestion is kind of dumb. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 05 Feb 06 - 11:41 PM I'm not for removing Carol's thread but Guests 05 Feb 06 - 10:58 PM. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: CarolC Date: 05 Feb 06 - 11:19 PM Jews don't have rights in most Arab countries, and most of those are totalitarian states with very poor human rights records and unethical governments which also support Arab militant and terrorist groups with clear goals towards the destruction of Israel. Israel is completely surrounded by enemies (except for Egypt and Jordon, who have managed to recognise and work with the Jewish state). How come this is never mentioned or championed by Carole C. as she so vigorously champions the Palestinian cause? I need to spend some time looking into these accusations that Jews don't have any rights in most Arab countries. I suspect that this is a bit of propagandistic hyperbole. I'm not going to have time to devote to this research right now, and I'm not sure when I will have time, but I will get to it. And to whatever extent Israel is surrounded by enemies, it's enemies that Israel, itself, has created with its expansionist agenda, and as a result of the manner in which the architects of the nascent state went about creating it. It didn't need to happen the way it did, but that result (enemies) is exactly what those architects of the state of Israel wanted, because it serves their expansionist agenda. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 05 Feb 06 - 11:02 PM Please remove the above post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: CarolC Date: 05 Feb 06 - 11:01 PM LOL You've found me out, Wesley. Yes, I am anti-Texas (but not anti-Texan, really... there are too many Texans I like for me to be that). I've even been to Austin, and aside from a really great vegetarian restaurant I found there, I didn't find much to like. Sorry. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: CarolC Date: 05 Feb 06 - 10:55 PM Well, gee, Carol, wasn't Israel established as a homeland for Jewish people, people who had deprived of a homeland for two millenia? If that is the founding premise of Israel, does it really seem unfair to offer citizenship to Jews? I think you misunderstand my point entirely, Joe. A more careful reading of my posts in the future might remedy that problem. As I said in my previous posts, I am only correcting misinformation given by others when I point out things like that. I am not giving an opinion about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST Date: 05 Feb 06 - 10:55 PM I do not think there is a vast number of anti-semites on the Mudcat usually. I do however think that there are certain people who have worked hard to earn very little respect. Not because of the Faith they say they hold but because of their appauling attitude and complete closed mindedness. Throwing accusations around and getting them backed up by someone else more able to discuss them for you is really quite pathetic. This person crying foul isn't unpopular because they are Jewish. They are unpopular because they are Ignorant and Cruel and in need of some kind of anger management therapy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 05 Feb 06 - 10:55 PM Download the entire MC site forum (easy to do) then search the DB you have accessed, follow the names, and post your diatribe of hating-the-H8ers to a blog.
It might make interesting reading.
Just don't pull things out of context.
Sincerely,
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 05 Feb 06 - 10:43 PM .. I do tend to think it has a lot to do with ignorance, and misundersting .... anyway, I hope it does. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 05 Feb 06 - 10:41 PM "As a proud Jew, I am hear to point out that many here are guilty of it and hide under a fake banner of tolerance, while at the same time are really some of the worst enemies Jews have." I agree Martin. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,dame judith kneesup Date: 05 Feb 06 - 08:58 PM Couldn't agree more martin old bean. That fake banner of tolerance really gives me the pip. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 05 Feb 06 - 08:48 PM That part of the character is not fake. More and more of the character is not that fake as it once was. If you don't see the change, you truly are a moron. I am not here to promote anti-semitism. Far from it. As a proud Jew, I am hear to point out that many here are guilty of it and hide under a fake banner of tolerance, while at the same time are really some of the worst enemies Jews have. So while I do not take some things that seriously, this I do. And it grieves me that so many in the folk community are at the very fringe of society and common sense. Again, there are many, mostly Americans, who agree with me. The article by Michael Neumann is mostly propaganda. Now there is your hate plant and you are to stupid to realize it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Feb 06 - 08:40 PM If a neo-Nazi group wanted to foment antisemitism on Mudcat the best step they could take would be to fund "Martin" (Ron Davies up the thread.) That possibility has often occurred to me. I don't mean the funding bit, but the possibility that when the man has said that the whole character is just a fake, intended to annoy people, he might have actually been speaking the truth. No way of knowing one way or the other. But the effect is the same either way. ....................... That article by Michael Neumann that someone linked to earlier is worth reading. It approaches a lot of the issues involved from an unusual angle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,dame judith kneesup Date: 05 Feb 06 - 08:16 PM I love it when you talk dirty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 05 Feb 06 - 08:15 PM Not yours, bitch. You are not a member. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,dame judith kneesup Date: 05 Feb 06 - 08:13 PM howdy doody martin. Glad you got all my pm's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 05 Feb 06 - 08:06 PM No list, Amos. Just hundreds of good behind the scene PMs. Doubt it all you want. I could give a royal crap. Divis. An honest answer on your part and my point proven. So many like you have the same answer but do not have the balls to admit it. They are just not that close to the fire. In fact they are very, very far away from some real facts. My hat is tipped to you, sir. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Amos Date: 05 Feb 06 - 07:34 PM Those Martin sympathizers are everywhere. I have a list. :D A |