BS: a word to the wise

Subject: BS: a word to the wise
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:21 PM

When I post a warning passed on to me via government agency channels, it drops to the bottom of the page very quickly, so take note now that...

The CDC and NIH have recommended that people should stockpile tuna fish, condensed/powdered milk and other food stuffs in the event of a human to human pandemic.

Now is the time to also stockpile Tamiflu for your family since it was unavailable for some time now and may once again be available to certain people. I say certain people since I have found that Rite Aid drug stores within certain economicly disadvantaged areas are unable to fill orders for the liquid Tamiflu. One may have better chances of filling the prescription in wealthy neighborhood drug stores - especially for the pill form.

Certainly we all hope the hype today will turn out to be as disingenuous as the swine flu scare but it is better to be safe than sorry.

Good luck and good night.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:39 PM

I heard we are to store it all under our beds. All part of the worldwide diversionary shell game led by Bushites.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:44 PM

Bush's ratings drop into the basement and up comes the spectre of a pandemic!

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:51 PM

Donuel, try having your meds balanced.....

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:52 PM

The spectre of a pandemic, like war and poverty, we always seem to have with us. What was it Tom Paxton wrote? -- "...if it isn't war, it's some loathsome disease...."

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:54 PM

Where the hell am I supposed to put the tuna? My basement is full of saran wrap and duct tape.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:55 PM

Don,

Read Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor" or maybe it was "Executive Orders". A scenario much like this whole thing happened. Disease allows government to over-ride State's rights and shut down interstate commerce and travel. It allows for the military to take control. (Maybe those camps we talked about a year back are gonna get some customers.)

And if the government controls the media, well, what ya see is what ya get.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: MMario
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:58 PM

Donuel - all threads travel to the bottom of the page at exactly the same rate - 24 hours without posting.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:59 PM

Anyone seen "V for Vendetta" yet ? About the British government unleashing a virus and the totalitarian government that results because of it? Hmmmm....

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:00 PM

If there is no monster, create one.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:02 PM

I find no reference to these recommendations on the CDC website.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:10 PM

Living where we do we are creating a "72 hour kit." But that's because of earthquakes, blizzards, and other natural disasters.

If you're worried about a flu or any other pandemic, I recommed reading about the pandemic of 1918. The are several very good books on the topic.

Besides -- how do you plan on stopping it? With Executive Orders?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: LilyFestre
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:12 PM

Being of the homesteading variety, we try to stay stocked up as much as we can all the time. You just never know.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:14 PM

Stock as you would for any natural disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: LilyFestre
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:17 PM

Exactly. :)

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Becca72
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:43 PM

By stocking up on canned tuna you may avoid the pandemic, but you'll end up with mercury poisoning...can't win 'em all, I guess

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: MMario
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:46 PM

The reason to stock up being so you can avoid other people? It would have to be pretty disastrous before I could stay home from work; I doubt the slight added risk from shopping would do much to increase or decrease my chances of catching a disease.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 03:03 PM

1)Tuna are overfished already
2)my bed is pretty low, and hard to see under
3)powdered milk is no substitute for beer
4)if there's really a pandemic afoot, there are other things I'd rather set my mind to.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 03:16 PM

Putting aside the politics of fear, actual bio war research, the dozens of cartoons and essays I have done on the subject...

Should a pandemic occur there is a breakdown of transportation (truck drivers) Grocery stores (employees) etc. - it is not about aoiding people.

As my doctor said if they can't even get water to Katrina victims there is no reason to believe that adequate precautions can be left to the government. So I got prescritions despite the current recommendations to not prescribe Tamiflu (pre emptively)

Branson bought enough for all his employees last year.



_________________________________________________________

PS for Clinton Hammond only

Yes I am completely insane - please do not attempt to take any advice regarding H5N1 mutations and precautions. It is all make believe.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 03:28 PM

I, as most other people, probably have enough food in place for a three week siege -- longer if the food was rationed. I have enough bottled water for two people for four days and another hundred gallons available.

Use your head for minute -- during the pandemics of 1957 and 1968 the nation did not collapse, food deliveries did not stop, and essential services continued. Sorry, but I don't depend upon the government of the US or any other country for help in hard times; I learned this back in 1965 fighting floods on the Upper Mississippi.

I also learned that disasters are never as disasterous as the doomsayers tell me they will be.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: number 6
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:02 PM

I'm stocking caviar and Dom Perignon under my bed.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:03 PM

See ya soon.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:07 PM

Jerry Falwell predicted "The Rapture" would come at the same time as the Y2K problem erupted, so he stocked up on guns and ammunition. Why, do you suppose?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:09 PM

The Rupture is coming? Sheesh . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: number 6
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:12 PM

How I learned to love the Bird Flu and stop worrying.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Beer
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:12 PM

No Scotch "6"?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:13 PM

You needn't worry about the bird flu if you're ruptured.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:13 PM

Guns and ammo for the rapture ? Now I know I'm not going....

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: number 6
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:14 PM

Sorry ... I dipped inot the safety stock and drank it all on the weekend ... hic.

But I'll take a beer right about now ... got one beer?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Becca72
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:33 PM

No worries about water here in the great state of Maine...I think we're still holding 6 truck loads of ice intended for those affected by Katrina...

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:12 PM

Here's the CDC's Pandemic Flu Planning Checklist for Individuals and Families.

Stockpiling prescription meds by individuals isn't a good idea. Hospitals and pharmacies, yes.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:22 PM

But Jeri, I can't get any more hospitals in my basement!!! Where else can I stockpile them?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:24 PM

Let FEMA do it. Trust them. They know what's happening.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:53 PM

Spaw, take the Burger King and Walmart out of your ass, and there will be some room in there.

Peace, when FEMA isn't being run by Homeland inSecurity, they basically coordinate between hospitals and pharmacies which are supposed to maintain emergency supplies.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:11 PM

I've got three cases of Twinkies stored in my basement, just in case..

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:15 PM

And did I mention that I'm stockpiling Tele-tubbies videos, just in case? (The Smurfs went bad. Be sure to rotate your stock.)

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:07 AM

Don't let Gerry Falwell know.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:56 AM

As you know, the flu virus vaccines that many of us have been injected with have been grown in an egg medium in the lab.

Maybe its a leap but does anyone else see a correlation between growing flu virus in an egg medium and the sudden appearance of the avian flu virus? Is this a mutation or could a virus leap from bird to human via the very method we are using to protect us from the common, everyday flu?

I know I am being vague but there is something rattling around in my brain that tells me these flu shots we are offerred every year, may not do us any good in the long run. Are there any doctors or scientists out there that can sort this out for me?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 02:45 AM

Tamiflu?
and we're all doomed if we can't get it
oh dear!

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: LilyFestre
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:23 AM

Jerry,

You're all set then, those things NEVER go bad!!!!!

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:23 AM

Doctors I talk with casually seem to believe that a pandemic next year is possible. If it occurs, so many people will be home sick that the economy will be affected for a time. I am taking this seriously despite what Bush says.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:03 AM

I don't imagine that many of the people in Asia who have contracted the avian flu had the flu vaccine administered first.

One startling bit of information: There are now cases in 40 countries.

Because of its location on the migratory route Alaska is considered a prime venue for the flu- among fowl. But since Alaska doesn't have a large commercial poultry industry it wouldn't appear to be much of a menace to us. As long as the virus does not make the jump from animal to human. So far, they say, that has not happened. Although they are less than reassuring as to how humans first got the bug.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:09 AM

I hope W gets homesick, goes back to Crawford to hunt quail with Dick, gets shot in the foot and together end the day enjoying a great feast of bird flu.

Peace is right. Leave it to FEMA. They have a longer track record in the care and feeding of victims than most individuals. How many of you have ever fed yourselves? Naw, best leave it to Homeland Security.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:17 AM

Glad you picked up on the 'tongue in cheek', Don.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: open mike
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:19 AM

there are warnings about tuna these days, too..
i recommend boxes of long shelf life soy milk
ready to drink or use without having to add h2o

i live with large bags of beans and rice (25-50 pound)
being the usual chioce for groceries...so usually am
prepared for any emergency. another item of import
might be a solar battery charger...and re-chargeable batteries.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 03:55 PM

good tip mike

In obtaining Tamiflu my experience was that Rite Aid would not fill it claiming simply it was on indefinate back order. However a CVS drug store in a relatively up scale area fills it immediately.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 04:25 PM

You could store stuff under the Brooklyn Bridge. I imagine the old cache is going to be cleared out.

Here's the story.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 04:36 PM

Wesley S - 20 Mar 06 - 01:59 PM

"Anyone seen "V for Vendetta" yet ? About the British government unleashing a virus and the totalitarian government that results because of it? Hmmmm...."

Hey Wes, the plots a bit thin isn't it?

The British Government unleash a virus in order that they can rule............ Britain???

Hmmmm...... Indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 04:36 PM

Out of about 6 billion people world-wide, 103 have died of H5N1. That's 0.0000017%. As someone said very recently, "There is no pandemic among humans, but if I were a bird I'd be worried."

Nor do you need a poultry industry -- H5N1 is found in wild fowl worldwide and in all regions. The influenza virus has been endemic in wild fowl for many, many years -- it's NOT something new. What is new is the infection of domestic poultry farms.

Not H5N1 or any other strain of influenza virus has come about because of egg-based growth medium. What is grown therein is used to inject people, not birds, and the eggs CERTAINLY aren't allowed to hatch. For that matter, Saulk polio vaccine was grown in egg medium.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 05:59 PM

"Ohio Gov. Bob Taft says he believes U.S. states in general are on their way to being prepared as much as many overseas governments are. He said in an interview that states need to make sure local governments are prepared to handle quarantines and isolation since they will be the initial front line in the fight.

Taft said Ohio has already toughened laws on quarantines, is working on a contingency plan to keep state government running "at low strength," and will hold a number of regional summits to make sure local health agencies are aware and ready to cooperate."

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 06:20 PM

"FDA investigators say Tamiflu is safe
November 18, 2005

FDA investigators say Tamiflu is safe
The antiflu drug Tamiflu is safe, federal health advisers said Friday, after finding no direct link between the drug and the deaths of 12 Japanese children who had taken it."

from here. Notice the Roche logo at the top.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 04:44 PM

Neat site with questions and answers that may help some folks put this Bird Flu thing in perspective.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/expert/

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Becca72
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 04:58 PM

wasn't this same little fright tactic called "Sars" awhile back?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 05:03 PM

I see it this way. Ya want to take over a country. So, create a reason to restrict travel. Create a reason that will make seeing troops in the streets commonplace. Get yer potential troublemakers and put them in camps. Then make them disappear. Announce that the New World Order (which has been talked about for over 100 years now) is in place and if ya don't like it talk to the guy/gal with the tank or APC.

"Good morning, America, how are ya . . .".

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:13 PM

In addition to what Rapaire said, the influenza vaccine contains inactivated strains of virus. If it were possible for anything to get into the culture when the vaccine was growing in the egg medium, it would be inactivated by the same process.

I think the chance of a pandemic is quite slim.
I also think the chance of the mother of all hurricaines causing the damage it did in New Orleans, I think the chance of the unjustifiable death and suffering due to lack of government action is slim. I think 20 - 100 MILLION of the world's citizens dying from flu in one single outbreak are slim. All of these things happened.

When I worked in public health, sometimes what we did was try to head off panic and sometimes it was simply trying to get folks to take threats seriously. People get hysterical, or they resent having to think about possible disasters and ridicule anybody who does, whether the people they're making fun of are over-reacting or just making sure they have batteries and a full pantry. I think the smartest thing to do is just develop an appropriate plan, get prepared, and then go on with life as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:25 PM

Jeri, that's exactly what I think. Panic buying of Tamiflu isn't going to help a bit -- that's a "I got mine, screw you!" mindset. When your neighbor comes knocking, asking for some bit of food for his sick kid, what are you going to do -- shoot him? Isolating yourself in your house is ridiculous.

I've been through this before...with Y2K; with the Cuban Missile Crisis, with the Hungarian Revolution of 1956; with saber-rattling by the Chinese over Quemoy, Matsu, Formosa; with the sinking of Pueblo; with the shooting down of the EC-121 plane; with the Asian Flu; with the Hong Kong Flu; with the North Koreans jumping on South Korea; with Hantavirus; with Lyme disease....

I remember when I was very young laying in bed listening to airplane propellors overhead, remembering a film I'd seen somewhere about the bombing of Pearl Harbor, wondering if this was the plane that would End My World.

My "disaster/panic/fallout shelter" circuits overloaded long ago, as did my wife's.

Plan, prepare, and get on with life. Sheesh.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:45 PM

Rap, I miss the significance of the 1956 Hungarian Revolt in connection with alarm in this country. The main problem there is that our government did NOT help.

The reason I mentioned that Alaska doesn't have a poultry industry is that I figure that wild fowl won't have as much chance at infecting chickens where there are fewer chickens.

I agree that hysteria-mongering is counter productive. But Jeri makes a good point in what has happened in the past in this country.

I'm of the opinion and mindset that when a flu - any flu - sets in a community anyone coming down with something should

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 09:55 PM

A finger flick sent my post skittering away- I want to finish my thought.

When anyone is coming down with something, I think that person should STAY HOME. DON'T go to the office or to school. All of us have seen a bug sweep the entire office. Just STAY HOME; when you are no longer contagious come back. If each does that, not only will fewer of the personnel get the bug but the office will keep functioning.

Not everyone agrees with that. I have a friend who is of the opinion that we all get stronger when we are exposed to whatever comes along each time it comes along.

When and if a super flu comes along I plan to behave just as I've done in the past. If I'm coming down with it, I won't go anywhere. If someone else is coming down with it I'll stay away. I once sent a musician home because she was so sick she could hardly see straight- she had come to music night because she "didn't want to stay home by herself"; there was no way I wanted her sitting in our group and as tactfully as I could, I told her so.

The main thing that keeps me from being too alarmed about this avian flu is remembering the many times we've gone through this before. Anyone remember the 'swine flu'?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 11:42 PM

I totally agree with you on that, Ebbie.

The latest on this, though, says it is not easily passed from human to human:

Why bird flu is harder to catch than a cold
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
(Filed: 23/03/2006)

The reason the deadly H5N1 bird influenza virus is hard for people to catch and spread has been found.

Although more than 100 people have been killed by the avian influenza virus, the fact that it does not spread easily to other humans has been a biomedical puzzle. Now, a study of cells in the human respiratory tract reveals a simple anatomical difference in the cells of the system that makes it difficult for the virus to jump from human to human.
        
Bird flu factfile

The finding, reported today in the journal Nature, is important because it demonstrates a requisite characteristic for the virus to equip itself to easily infect humans, the key development for the virus to become a pandemic.

A group led by University of Wisconsin-Madison virologist Prof Yoshihiro Kawaoka, showed that only cells deep within the respiratory system, rather than the nose or throat, have the surface molecule or receptor that is the key that permits the avian flu virus to enter a cell.

"Our findings provide a rational explanation for why H5N1 viruses rarely infect and spread from human to human," the authors report.

The upshot of the finding is that existing strains of bird flu must undergo key genetic changes to trigger a pandemic.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: jacqui.c
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 07:32 AM

Rapaire - you hit the nail on the head for me.

I was about 14 when the Cuban missile crisis arose and had, a few weeks previously, read Neville Shute's 'On The Beach'. Bad combination, particularly since my parents were not the sort of people that I could go to to unload worries or even just discuss what was going on. I don't think I slept a full night for quite a while and had fears of nuclear war up into my twenties, particularly once I had my children.

One day I started thinking about where I was going with this and worked out that this was one of the things that I could not do anything about and so should stop making myself ill over it. Took a lot of training to not keep thinking about it, especially in that time between wakefulness and sleeping, but it worked in the end.

Now I look at what happens and, if I can do something to change it I will. If not - ce la vie - I'll just get closer to coming back as a wolf!

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: kendall
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 07:35 AM

I woke up this morning with a hankering for sunflower seeds, and a strong desire to shit on someone's car. Should I worry?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 09:26 AM

If you shit on my car - WORRY!

Isn't it odd that every time something new comes out about Katrina or Iraq or Iran, up pops Bird Flu? Think he wants to distract us?

I keep a few weeks supply of cat food in my basement along with some bottled water. If I am house bound, I don't want to be murdered by my cats.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 09:32 AM

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 10:18 AM

"and a strong desire to shit on someone's car"

Thanks a bunch.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 02:51 PM

Questions to be answered

When the bird flu hits, as it enevitably will, what will you do about your pets who pick up dead birds?

about dead birds in the pool

about your kids with flu like symptoms

about...



This issue has not been properly thought out by a long shot.


for a laugh however try... http://www.thefrown.com/frowners/becomerepublican.swf

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 03:09 PM

Donuel, thanks for the link!! Scathing, hilarious, and too true!

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 03:40 PM

When the bird flu hits, as it enevitably will,

It already has.

what will you do about your pets who pick up dead birds?

Don't have any pets.

about dead birds in the pool

Don't have any pool.

about your kids with flu like symptoms

Don't have kids, either.

But if I had any of the above I can't see running around screaming about it. You assume that ALL dead birds will be dead of H5N1, which will no more be the case in the event of a pandemic than it is now. If a pandemic did hit, the city would close the aquatic complex -- not because of dead birds, but because of the danger inherent in groups. READ ABOUT THE 1918 PANDEMIC!! LEARN FROM HISTORY!!! Gatherings, even church gatherings, were banned (or in some cases held outdoors). Many people wore surgical masks, not to stop the "germs" but to prevent coughed-up droplets from infecting others. Most cities had "no spitting" ordinances on the books and enforced them. But the trains and buses and streetcars still ran, food was still available, and life went on.

But the ONE THING that any reading of the history of the 1918 pandemic shows is that national and big-city governments were not prepared and in fact were in a state of denial. New York city, for instance. The Surgeon General of the US. The US War Department, which wouldn't stop transfering troops around the country and thereby spreading the disease.... And by the way, the 1918 pandemic apparently started in a rural county in Kansas -- it did not start in Spain.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 03:45 PM

"And by the way, the 1918 pandemic apparently started in a rural county in Kansas -- it did not start in Spain."

There's the answer then: Kansas has to go . . . (with Dorothy I suppose).

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 03:47 PM

Wesley - the British Government releasing a virus!
Not much worry there.
Blair and his incompetents couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.

There was a case of bird flu identified near France. The French government innoculated all their domestic chickens within the week. France is 23 miles across the English Channel. Our government's statement was something to the effect of - "there's nothing to worry about - it's in a different country - we will start to think about doing something if it gets over here!" In the meantime they are sacking thousands of doctors and nurses from hospitals because the accountants are paid too much and there isn't any money left to actually treat patients.

If he USA is worried about catching bird flu from person to person contact - does that mean Blair will have to stop licking Bush's arse?

And isn't Tammy Flu in the Country music Hall of Fame?

Quack!
Geoff.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 10:43 PM

I just found a dead, great horned owl in my yard the other day. I didn't even consider it to have the bird flu, but rather thought about West Nile disease. My dogs were strange around the bird, they walked around it. I turned the bird into the local DNR office and they told me they probably won't even test it to see why it died because of expense! They said they would send it up to a different office in case someone wanted to stuff it. Odds are they threw it in the woods out back as soon as I left.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 10:48 PM

DNR? Do Not Resuscitate?

Here in Maine, they were testing dead birds for West Nile. The ones my cat brings in definitely did not die from a virus. I handle them with care, scrub my hands with disinfecting soap, and have ANOTHER talk with the cat. He just doesn't get it.