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BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..

Fortunato 11 Apr 06 - 08:17 PM
The Shambles 12 Apr 06 - 02:56 AM
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greg stephens 12 Apr 06 - 06:18 AM
MBSLynne 12 Apr 06 - 06:18 AM
greg stephens 12 Apr 06 - 06:21 AM
sian, west wales 12 Apr 06 - 06:23 AM
Purple Foxx 12 Apr 06 - 06:29 AM
Bunnahabhain 12 Apr 06 - 06:41 AM
GUEST,Paul Burke 12 Apr 06 - 07:29 AM
GUEST,Cookieless gnomad 12 Apr 06 - 08:45 AM
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Fortunato 12 Apr 06 - 09:02 AM
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Subject: BS: SHIVER surname UK? Help please..
From: Fortunato
Date: 11 Apr 06 - 08:17 PM

Mudcat friends, I have a request. If you know of or have heard of someone with my surname, SHIVER,(spelled that way) somewhere in the UK, please give me whatever info you can about them. After many years of research we been unable to connect the US families named Shiver who arrived here from somewhere before 1735. We know about the supposed derivation of the name from Chevre in France to Cheever(s). There are folks named Shivers who have made connections with the UK, and we know spellings may vary, but there seem to have been folks named Shiver in Ireland and England at one time.

But are they still there somewhere? If I could contact someone of that name who has done some research...well you see.

thanks
chance (Shiver)


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 02:56 AM

There are lots of Chivers. They used to make jellies and probably still do. Would this spelling not be from the same root?


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 02:58 AM

http://www.chiversfarms.co.uk/

CHIVERS FARMS LTD is a private family farming company formed in 1962. It had its earlier origins in Chivers & Sons (of jam and jelly fame), which was sold to Schweppes in 1960.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Gurney
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 03:59 AM

I do qualify to answer, because I was English for the first half of my life. Never knew a Shivers, though.
Chivers, Scriveners, yes, but no-one in the Auckland NZ phone book of exactly that spelling. Chivers rhymes with shivers (trembles), by the way, and not some-one who harvests chives.

All the other names starting with Shi.. look oriental.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:18 AM

Chance: you may be unique!


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: MBSLynne
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:18 AM

Have you registered on Genes Reunited? I got onto it at the end of February and have found no end of distant relatives and additional info for my family tree. Admittedly, I haven't found anyone researching my mystery surname, Louthin, but they are extremely hard to find

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:21 AM

There do notseeem to be any Shivers in the Cumbrian or Stoke-on-Trent phone books. It does exist as a Christian name though, the famous pirate Shiver Matimbers.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: sian, west wales
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:23 AM

No 'Shivers' and 2 'Chivers' in the South West Wales phone book.

sian


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:29 AM

No Shivers in the Tyneside phone book either.
I have the current U.K. electoral roll on disc & will check that later.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 06:41 AM

Closest Edinburgh has is shivas and chivas, one of each. No great use there.

The census link below finds theee people with the surname shiveralive in 1901, all born in lancashire.

UK 1901 Census


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 07:29 AM

I suspect the name Chivers derives from the villages adjacent, but situated on opposite sides of the railway line, of Higher Cheever and Lower Cheever.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: GUEST,Cookieless gnomad
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:45 AM

Phone book for Scarborough & Yorkshire coast has no entry for Shivers.

One of these may be able to help, but I have no experience of either.
One possible

Another

Good luck.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: GUEST,Micca
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 08:58 AM

Chance, i will have a look when I get back to London Next Monday!


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Fortunato
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:02 AM

Thanks to all so far.

Greg, they've often said they threw away the mold when they made me...

Yes, I've had the Chivers products and those folks and Cheevers may all be somehow related (as we're all related, in the end (?).

Our name appears as Shiver (no 'S' at the end) uniquely in 1750 or in a land grant in South Carolina. I'm taking a shot that the family story of two brothers of that name arrived, either from Ireland or England and wound up in SC is accurate and they could spell(?!).


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Fortunato
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:08 AM

Bunnahabhain

Thanks for the link to census. I had seen reference to Lancshire for the name but much older, and your link gives me hope some are still alive, out there. We don't seem to breed much.
Perhaps they all played the banjo.

best, Chance


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:16 AM

Sounds like a name from the North?


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Fortunato
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:53 AM

Well, Shambles, the usual story goes that a fellow named Chevre, (Goat Cheese?)came to the Ireland and then England with William of Orange. Afterwhich, education and spelling being what they were, the name Chevre transmogrified into Chever, cheevers, and perhaps Shiver(s)as well. Of course no one knows.

Why do you say the North?


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:43 AM

Chance, you might want to take a look in the AUCTION. I'll do a quick search on ancestry.com and let you know if there are any possibilities...maybe sweeten the pot a little.:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: MBSLynne
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:45 AM

Spelling is of almost no relevance in surnames. My mother's maiden name of Stapleford is also spelled Stableford. My Grandfather always spelled it with the 'P' but his brother always used the 'b' and that was well into the 20th century. Dpn't forget that universal (almost) literacy is a very recent thing. In the past, even those who could read and write often used the skills very little and many people would spell phonetically. Witness how bad a lot of people's spelling is these days!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: MBSLynne
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:47 AM

BTW there are two Shivers with the 's' in the Leicestershire phone book

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:51 AM

Here's one example of what I found on ancestry.com. A little late for your folks, but there may still be something there.

Detrich Shiver
Arrival Date:         May 11, 1827
Age:         22
Gender:         M
Port of Arrival:         New York
Place of Origin:         England
Occupation:         Sugar Refiner
Destination:         United States of America
Ship:         Ship Acasta

There are several Shiver listings coming over in the late 1800's. And, here are some listings from birth indexes:

Record         Alice Shiver         1874         Apr-May-Jun                    Gateshead         Co. Durham, Tyne And Wear
View Record         William James Shiver         1885         Oct-Nov-Dec                  West Derby         Lancashire
View Record         Elsie Emma Shiver_         1889         Apr-May-Jun                  Kettering         Northamptonshire
View Record         Richard Henry Shiver_         1889         Apr-May-Jun                  Gateshead         Co. Durham, Tyne And Wear
Microfilm Serial Number:         M237

Perhaps another clue/connection, from a death index:

ngland & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Record info
about William Shiver
Name:         William Shiver
Birth Date:         abt 1822
Year of Registration:         1908
Quarter of Registration:         Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:         86
District:         Peterborough
County:         Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire
Volume:         3b
Page:         171 (click to see others on page)

More, if you want to participate in the auction!**bg**


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 10:53 AM

Also, do you know about the free Shiver Family Forum at genealogy.com? Lots of postings and you can add your own query.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Fortunato
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 12:25 PM

Dear Katlaughing,

thanks very much for the info. I do know about the forum, but I've not paid attention for awhile. make clear ties to an immigrant, or even move backward from Camden, SC from the land grant.

But thanks. I thought I'd try another tack, reverse!
I'll check out the auction.
best, chance


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Fortunato
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 12:28 PM

MBSLynne,

thanks for the info. When I go over to visit the Micca I'll call those folks, perhaps in Leicestershiver.

I understand the spelling issue. Even my family spells the name with or without the final 's'. It's only that my most remote certifiable ancestor spelled it without the 's' so I thought I'd start there.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 01:20 PM

Why do you say the North?

The North is cold enough to make you Shiver.

Sorry...............


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: MBSLynne
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 01:23 PM

When I was doing one line of my family tree, which came from Leicestershire, I wrote to every one of that name in the 'phone book. If you want me to give you those addresses, PM me. Writing to them first might be a good move...they may then be waiting to greet you with open arms!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Fortunato
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 01:37 PM

Lynne, PM on it's way.

muchas gracias.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 03:11 PM

Shambles, we know there were some of them here, kinda North, way out West...CLICK!


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 04:14 PM

Sorry to take so long. As you are already aware their are records of this family in Leicestershire. The issue of surnames predating standardised spelling is covered elsewhere in this thread.
Apologies for offering something so insubstantial.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Helen
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 05:48 PM

A quick google found this page of

links for searching for people in the UK

I did a quick search with the UK peoplefinder and found no-one. It searches electoral rolls and other resources.

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 10:36 AM

Apparently came over with William the Conqueror, fought at Hastings and were granted lands in Leicestershire for their services on that day.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Fortunato
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 12:55 PM

Purple Fox,

Thanks for your help. I'm glad for your thoughts and input and your time.

Teribus,

I'd like to know what you say is true, but my internet search of the Domesday book hasn't turned up anything, although elsewhere people who want to sell me stuff suggest something else.
What makes you thinks so?

Chance


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Noreen
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:42 PM

No Shivers here, Chance- none in the local Worcester phone book, and not a name that I have ever heard at all before I met you. I thought you were a one-off!

Good luck with your search.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:46 PM

There is a G.P. Shivers living in Boston, Lincolnshire. Can provide UK telephone number if required.
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: folk1e
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 10:18 AM

Nothing in sunny Manchester eather!
It was my understanding that people in that era just made up a second name to differentiate them from all the others with the same fore name! Usualy this was a place or occupation. A Shiver is a type of crack in a long piece of wood "siver me timbers",so it could have been a nickneme given to a carpinter.
Or I could be talking b****cks. Good luck anyway!


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 14 Apr 06 - 05:20 PM

There's an "S Shiver" listed in the London 'phone book.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Fortunato
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 11:19 AM

Doug Chadwick et al

Thanks very much for your responses, I'll refresh this thread when or if I receive any answer to the letters I send to these folks.

Strange there are so few of them. Makes you wonder if most of my forbears were hanged or otherwise prevented from breeding.

best
chance


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: open mike
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 11:37 AM

here is what i found on roots web
Surname        From        To        Migration               Submitter        
SHIVER        1400        -----        SC                        sandlott        
Shiver        1700        1900        Worldwide               twocats1        
Shiver        1700                ALA                        linpinda        
Shiver        1734        now        NC>GA>AL               bcassady        
Shiver        1736        now        VA>SC>GA               pjshiver        
Shiver        1753        now        DEU>PA>SC>GA>FL,USA        sshiver        
Shiver        1758        now        KershawCo,SC>Wilkinson>Floyd>Brooks>GlynnCo,
                         GA        susak        
Shiver        1765        now        SC>GA,USA               shiverf        
Shiver        1770        1880        SC>GA>PulaskiCo,GA,USA        donnana        
Shiver        1791        now        KershawCo,SC>GA>MitchellCo,GA,USA        mkozy        
Shiver        1800        now        FL,USA                        jshiver        
Shiver        1800        now        MitchellCo,GA,USA        jheard4        
Shiver        1800        now        FL>MS>LA               shivor        
SHIVER        1800s        now        GA>FL>GA               sc2id               Descendant of REBECCA JANE SHIVER (who married
Wm M. SULLIVAN, June 01, 1846 in Alachua
Co.,FL). Rebecca was born 04 Oct 1828 in
Dooly Co.,GA and was the daughter of MANNING
SHIVER & SARAH. REBECCA died 30 April 1912
in Mitchell Co.,GA, at the age of 83.
Shiver        1855        now        AL>AR,USA                 striplin        
Shiver        1858        1930        TX                        cfkonz3        
Shiver        1884        1899        Ga>Fl>USA                 Levylady           married Ssamuel Jo Miller,Sumner,Levy,Fl
Shiver        1920        1920        IRL>GA>FL,USA                 kshirah        
Shiver        1920        ----        WayneCo,MI>GA>AL>NC         liana        
Shiver        1930        1950        MD                        stitcher        


these entries are by people who are doing genealogical research.
most of them have e-mail addresses..the links did not copy
here is more info:
http://resources.rootsweb.com/~clusters/surnames/s/h/SHIVER/


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Bardford
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 12:18 PM

A search on SHIVER at Free BMD (Birth, Marriage, Death index) yields 4 results. Search on SHIVERS shows more.


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Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please..
From: Fortunato
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 12:32 PM

Thanks Bardford

I'll investigate.

cheers,
chance


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