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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Big Al Whittle Date: 29 Jul 06 - 01:37 PM and nobody's ever asked Hull Kingston Rovers about how they feel about their matches being televised..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST Date: 29 Jul 06 - 12:46 PM Excellent film that tells it as it was - as did Loach's other film on Ireland, Hidden Agenda. It's about time we Brits took a closer look at what was carried out in our name (paid for by our taxes). I understand a lot of people didn't like the Amritsar massacre being shown in Ghandi - tough! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 29 Jul 06 - 10:04 AM Hi Alison. It is said to be an excellent film. Ken Loach is an outstanding director. I agree with your reservation about its truthfulness. Not that what it portrays is not true, just that it is selective in what it shows and therefor unbalanced and biased. But films are not history texts. People should not go to the cinema to be educated, only entertained. Enjoy the film, Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Martin Date: 28 Jul 06 - 06:13 PM Welcome to mudcat Alison. Heard It's a great film. Xtravision will be the first to be getting it out on DVD. If your interested in Irish topics go to the home page here and you will see "filter" type in Irish or Ireland and in the other box it will say 1 Day type in 365 and you will see a lot of Irish subjects. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Alison Date: 28 Jul 06 - 06:05 PM I have not seen the film yet as it was not showing in the local cinema in my town, so I am not going to comment on it except to say if it is based on a true story about what happened in Ireland then it will be a good film. It does not matter what side of the fence you are on, what matters is whether it is a true story of Ireland back then. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Paul from Hull Date: 27 Jul 06 - 08:53 PM ..or RUTLAND, for that matter, to allude to another recent BS thread... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,beachcomber Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:27 PM Are we to believe that the movie "The wind that shakes the barley" , having been seen by those who have a say in the release of such entertainment, has been deemed a) to be politically inadvisable, b) not likely to generate much revenue, or, c) likely to arouse further rebelliousness in Britain (perhaps among the Scots, or Welsh, Tynesiders or, ...Cornish even) ???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Jul 06 - 04:12 AM Now that Film4 is on freeview it may be sooner rather than later as well - All being well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Jon Date: 26 Jul 06 - 08:31 PM Oh well to get back to the original question... I spoke to a friend who watched it tonight in Norwich (as given in my link to Fiolar). He described it as a "powerful film" and indicated it was well produced, the acting was great and the film was well worth watching. I'm not interested enough (I'm not a cinema goer - last one I remember was Dumbo 1980ish when I was late teens/20 and a gang of us were bored..) to go to watch it that way but do look forward to seeing it on tv one day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 26 Jul 06 - 01:32 PM You sharpen up Keith. There are no prizes on this forum for being a short plank.... especially when you keep changing the subject all the time. Go see the film. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 26 Jul 06 - 10:48 AM Fiolar, That Cornish paste is a wind up, ignore. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 26 Jul 06 - 10:20 AM Fiolar, You find Cornish plausible? Would you like to buy Tower Bridge? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Fiolar Date: 26 Jul 06 - 09:46 AM Cornish: So your grandparents lived in Cork. I have no wish to be critical of your grandmother or her family for wishing what they did. That was their business, but I would be interested to know what they thought when the tans burned the centre of the city in December 1920. The estimated destruction was in the region of some 3 million pounds. That in today's figures is probably in the region of 60 to 80 million. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:22 AM WooHoo - It's on at Cineworld in Didsbury. Can't do this weekend but I am hopeful for next. Wonder if I can convince the family to see it instead of Superman and Pirates of the Carribean? :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:04 AM The film has had a great response in Ireland. I was so glad when a nephew of mine came to me last week. He said after he went to see it he spent so much time the next day thinking about it. Now this guy to me was a lost cause, had no interest in Irish history or politics. Now I am glad to say he has seen the light ! I have never been so busy doing talks to local groups and vistors to the my area. The film seems to have sparked off an understanding why the IRA existed. The Irish nation never asked for a fight, the fight came to them. Our country was raped and thankfully our brave men stood up and were counted. This film more than any other about Ireland in recent times has provoked peoples understanding. Most people could relate to someone in the film. I can understand why it gets up some peoples noses, to many the truth should be hidden, not anymore. I look forward in years to come to the films that will be made about the war here in recent times. In the mean time I will continue to spread the word about what many like my self lived through. Film rating 10/10. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 26 Jul 06 - 04:53 AM Tir, a pattern is emerging here. You are not being understood. Slow down a bit. Proof read before posting, and after posting look to see if someone else has slipped in a post that effects yours. And avoid name calling. Calling someone else an eejit in a confusing post rebounds on you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Jul 06 - 04:37 AM I am fine, Tir Chonaill, not overworked at all. In fact I am very happy. The sun is shining. I took a drive through Derbyshire yesterday. Going through Yorkshire later. I enjoy what I do. Don't have to put in an appearance that often. Get paid loads of money. You? I realy must be a thick nome. I cannot follow your line of cut and pastes to me at all. Care to explain? In case I did not make myself clear I will repeat and give the actual text I was refering to. These three posts were right next to each other. (snip) Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST Date: 24 Jul 06 - 09:57 AM Keith try this site,http://cryptome.org/john-dignam.zip Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford - PM Date: 24 Jul 06 - 10:09 AM guest, that is a file not a site. I prefer not to open it, not knowing anything about you. Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,T�r Chonaill - PM Date: 24 Jul 06 - 03:40 PM Copy & Paste the link, Keith. Spoonfed, that's what you need to be. Once you exhibit a bit of intelligence, I'll start to take you a bit more seriously. You only think you are being clever, Keith. When in fact you're being incredibly tedious. (snip) Those three post were ONE AFTER THE OTHER. Don't believe me? Go and look. Now, how does that make the last post of the three, made by yourself, look? As to the petition by Tiocfaidh - BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW You seem to have conveniently ignored the fact that Keith and I were amongst the first to comment and send letters to our MPs. I find that you are often the first to complain about selective memory and careful selection of the right 'facts'. I know you have some sort of ongoing argument with Keith but please give credit where it is due and stop using the same methods you accuse others of employing. Now can we get back to the film? Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 26 Jul 06 - 04:21 AM "Keith also maintains that no-one ever calls for Loyalist violence to stop...." What do you mean? Surely most people call for it all to stop. DTG and I both supported the Anti Loyalist Weapons thread and wrote to our MPs So if Sweeney starts posting about late 20th Cent events it's OK, but no one is allowed to challenge him because that is thread creep?! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 26 Jul 06 - 04:08 AM "...and leading him through his 'little mistakes'" (just in case Keithh thought that last line was 'unintelligible') |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 26 Jul 06 - 04:04 AM Oh, I know Divis. Admissions mean nothing to me when the facts are there and speak for themselves. Keith also maintains that no-one ever calls for Loyalist violence to stop.... I have already made one comment about this up the thread a bit. ... and where did Tiocfaidh's thread calling for a petition, go to.....? Rheumatic brain, if you ask me... How on Earth is it possible to conduct a decent, serious conversation on this forum, when one spends most of ones' time putting Keith's collar on, and lead him through his 'little mistakes' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 26 Jul 06 - 03:44 AM Tír Chonaill, Don't Hold Your Breath waiting for an admission ! You are of course right in what you in above post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 26 Jul 06 - 03:41 AM Keith - 25/07/ - 03.57: Tir I pasted your url into my address box and it did not work. I am no expert in IT. I am not prepared to make further effort and doubt anyone else will. You show contempt for forum users by leaving it like that. Dave: 25/06 - 03.58 I am just a thick nome - can't read whole tracts.... I don't think Keith was complaining about the lack of a dynamic link. I think he is as computer literate as the next man. What he said was it is not a link - it is a file. Which it is. If you would care to look rather than just have a go at him whatever he does you will notice it ends '.zip' rather than '.htm' or '.html'. Dave: 25/06 - 02.53 Errrr, would you explain exactly what you are on about, Tir Chonaill? Earlier an un-named Guest posted a link of http://cryptome.org/john-dignam.zip Keith commented that that is a file, not a link. You then seemed to go off on one to have a go at Keith for being to thick to follow the link. Which was a .zip file that, as a professional computer consultant, I would not follow either. Good morning Dave. How overworked are we, this fine day? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 26 Jul 06 - 03:30 AM Beg to differ, Keith.... Others noticed the creep at the time. Divis related the Tans' experience to his/our own. Legitimitate enough in my eyes. You produced the Straw Man. Thread drift, Keith. And you were the first one to do it. You generally are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 25 Jul 06 - 07:01 PM Yawn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Jul 06 - 06:55 PM Epona, As a territorial I did some exchanges with National Guard. Fort Knox KY and RI. Fine people. Had a great time. Plenty of Territorials and National Guard earning their pay in the Gulf tonight. Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Big Al Whittle Date: 25 Jul 06 - 06:32 PM if anybody's still interested in the film - its coming to The Metro in Derby. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Jul 06 - 06:28 PM OK, Divis, thanks. I think you may be posting accusations without being able to substantiate them but that is your prerogative. Anyone here could equaly claim they have information but cannot disclose the source because it is secret. At least I understand that the accusations against Mr Banwell are purely speculation but it would have been a lot easier if you had said so in the first place! Anyhow - like I said before - it is only an aside in this context. I am sure no-one would have any objections if the discussion came back on track to the film in question. Talking of which I believe it was on at the Cornerstone in Manchester but I missed it:-( Anyone know if it is anywhere else nearby me? Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Martin. Date: 25 Jul 06 - 05:27 PM Keith that name was Dawson Bailie who condoned sectarianism. Cheers |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Epona Date: 25 Jul 06 - 05:20 PM *sigh* A wannabe soldier I am, Keith...all those years of training spent so I can show up a weekend here, a weekend there. But, the benefits are great! :) E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 25 Jul 06 - 03:41 PM Dave, Legal position, "Operational service personnal information still remains classified in Northern Ireland". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Jul 06 - 03:09 PM Dave, Sweeney can give you nothing because Tex Banwell never served in NI. Tir's post came just after the Guest file post, but he was referring to his own much earlier posting which was supposed to substantiate his accusation of thread creep against me. Clear now? He has just posted a working link and it shows I did not take thread off subject. I expect he will apologise soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Jul 06 - 02:53 PM Errrr, would you explain exactly what you are on about, Tir Chonaill? Earlier an un-named Guest posted a link of http://cryptome.org/john-dignam.zip Keith commented that that is a file, not a link. You then seemed to go off on one to have a go at Keith for being to thick to follow the link. Which was a .zip file that, as a professional computer consultant, I would not follow either. I am now illeterate apparantly and unable to open my eyes. To prove that point tou provide a perfectly valid hyperlink of http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=92760&messages=162#1781576 My expertise may be high availabilty Unix clusters rather than PCs and HTML but just who is not reading the thread here? Divis - I still don't agree with your take on the soldier in question but I will bow to your more intimate knowledge of the situation. Is there not something you can give us to show that this guy was indeed a villain? If not don't worry. I am not going to fall out with you or Keith. We all need to get together in the pub for a good session on the music and craic:-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 25 Jul 06 - 02:52 PM Statement from British Government this after. "One year on the IRA 'has ceased all activity' The IRA announced an end to its armed campaign in July 2005 The IRA is no longer involved in any centrally organised criminality, the British and Irish governments believe. Speaking after meeting Irish ministers, NI Secretary Peter Hain said cross-border intelligence indicated the IRA was living up to its commitments. Mr Hain said individual ex IRA members may be involved in criminal activities, but there is criminal activity in every country in the world, these people can not be called the IRA. Political progress has been made. However, the DUP's Nigel Dodds, a member of the Third Force said "This latest assessment from the secretary of state lacks credibility and will be treated by the vast majority of people in NI as yet another ham-fisted attempt to bluff the community and its political representatives into establishing an executive including Sinn Fein." This party knows only one word "NO". Mr Hain said "What there is not is organised crime by the IRA." He added, the IRA are delivering on their commitments made last July, not just in respect of shutting down paramilitary activity but also shutting down criminality." Irish Justice Minister Mr McDowell, who has been strongly critical of republicans in the past, backed Mr Hain's assessment. Asked if he believed the IRA's war was now over following its declarations and decommissioning last summer, he said: "The Irish government and British government do believe it's over yes, based on the evidence we have." BBC Northern Ireland political editor Mark Devenport said it was as firm a statement on IRA criminality as the two governments had made since the statement by the IRA last July. The British and Irish governments have to put pressure on the DUP before the 24th November to reach agreement and then restore devolution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Wolfgang Date: 25 Jul 06 - 02:45 PM Zip-file in the context of the website (no tricks, just one click) The mystery guest 24 Jul 06 - 09:57 AM wanted Keith to listen to a tape in which John Dignam admits working for the British at the end of an IRA interrogation (including torture) shortly before he was nutted. Doesn't make the intention of the poster much clearer for me. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Jul 06 - 02:40 PM Tir, that post of mine. 3 paragraphs. Para 1 and 2 about Tans and IRA Para 3 responding to Sweeney who had decided to post about his own experiences with the army No thread creep from me then. Sweeney, you have said AGAIN that I called you a murderer. I deny using that word about you. Am I mistaken or are you being dishonest? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 25 Jul 06 - 12:51 PM The Hyperlink.... which could not be copied and pasted... Being computer literate, in my eyes, pre-supposes literacy I didn't post the .zip file link, Dave... ... you should open your eyes too... ;-) Right-click the link, Keith, open it in a new window, and see where you brought the thrad off topic..., and don't be such a eejit |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: ard mhacha Date: 25 Jul 06 - 12:50 PM It is alright Cornish you are not the only limey idiot on this Site. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Cornish Date: 25 Jul 06 - 12:40 PM Sorry made a mistake there, meant to write, This is a forum for blues & folk music and other topics such as my granny looking a bit of sawing. My mind just wasn't with it, heavy headed today, was at a reunion dinner last night for Kincora Boys Home. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 25 Jul 06 - 12:34 PM Now Dave it's probably best left what we all know. Doubt someone who called me a murderer would accept anything I had to say. There was a good point you brought up there in an earlier post about hero's. One man's hero Dave can be another mans villain. I grew up listening to bloody DFO's and DFC'S and bar crap, couple of tossers in my family too I am ashamed to say. Not a week goes week in my life that at least one close friend calls down to visit and I look upon many of them as hero's. Doubt very much some here would, then again some would. Ah it's down to views Dave, like a dog licking his balls, it's a matter of taste ! Glad the bride is home, health to both of you. Divis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: mindblaster Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:46 AM Scotch is a drink! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:46 AM No. Kenny. Scotch is Whiskey. Black and Tan is a mixture of stout and bitter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Kenny Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:42 AM Weren't blackandtans Scotch? Is this the reason to this day, all Irish men hate scotch people with all their hearts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Cornish Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:32 AM This is a forum for blues & folk music not for IRA cowards |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:31 AM Yes, fine thanks, Divis. You have reminded me to post she is home and well on the 'Mrs is poorly' thread:-) Do you really think that Mr Banwell was one of the ones 'pulling the strings'? I doubt it myself but you were there. I was not. I would be very surprised indeed if he was. If he is innocent of any crimes against you , your family and countrymen then surely you owe it to Keith to accept that some of your earlier comments may have been made in haste? As Keith once admitted the same to you on another thread? Surely to concede that you may have been wrong on a minor point only adds to the validity of your arguments on the major ones? Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:19 AM Hi Dave all well at that end I hope ? Dave as no doubt you are aware, the British army arrived here in 1969 green as grass to urban warfare. The old school came over to keep them right and pulled the strings from behind the curtains. A waste of time Dave trying to explain these things to some as you know only to well. Best wishes to the bride. Divis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:11 AM I will explain in very very simple terms Sweeney. Tex Banwell left the REGULAR army after the war and took a job with the Post Office. And he joined the TERRITORIAL Army. This was a continuation of his service. He kept the same service number, but no more full time service. His first Territorial unit was 11th Battalion Parachute Regt., and then 10th Battalion who he was with until about 1971. Yes he was what you call a weekend wannabe soldier, just like Epona over there in the Guard. Territorials were only concerned with conventional warfare training. No connection at all with Northern Ireland. You made all that up. Why? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:11 AM Divis, you know that I pulled up Keith when he made some points that I felt were untrue? Well, sorry, but having read the article I feel I must pull you up for the same. This guy does seem to be a war hero. He joined the Army in 1931. If we assume he was 16 then by the time he made his 650th jump alongside 'present day paratroopers' in 1969 he would have been 54 years old. Any service he made in the 70s would have been pretty much 'behind the lines'. Surely the comment 'alongside present day paras' also indicates his active service was finished by 1969? By all means attack those who were responsible for the attrocities in NI. Blame the soldiers who perpetrated the terrible things against your family but targetting this bloke does seem a little unfair. To me anyway. At the end of the day it is a detraction from the thread anyway. I don't know who started it but surely it is time to agree that some of the soldiers in Northern Ireland were a bad lot but this guy was not amongst them? Or, as me mum said, 'you two pack it in or I'll knock yer heads together'. :-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Divis Sweeney Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:08 AM You will enjoy watching the truth about what went on here, always glad to spread the truth ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: GUEST,Cornish Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:07 AM Look, I got a bit angry there I am sorry. My granny lived in Cork. While my grandfather was serving with the 16th Irish Division Royal Munster Fusiliers fighting the Turks in the great war, an I.R.A. man was slipping her one. Her family was relieved then this man was killed in a gun battle with the tans. They through it was all over, sadly by this stage she had been introduced to another way of life and broke her fidelity to my grandfather and most of the local I.R.A. men were visiting her home at night. Her family prayed for the tans to rid them from the area, but they didn't. When my grandfather came home in December 1918, he was just no good to her anymore and as a broken man who served King and country in the war to end all wars. Sadly he had to listen to granny in the other room who ignored his screams to stop it, but no granny had got a taste for it. So please give understanding as to my dislike of the I.R.A. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN, he couldn't save granny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban on 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' From: Lil' Kiwi Date: 25 Jul 06 - 11:05 AM Yeah, thanks so much Divis! That's my weekend planned. :-D |
