BS: 1966 and all that

Subject: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 02:41 PM

As a Scot I'm fed up with the ENGLISH going on about 1966, ok you won the world cup, however that happened forty years ago, and I'm glad that you won but but please do yourselves a favour and shut the hell up about it.

I mean a bloody film out now called 'sixty six' I mean the majority of Scots are fed up to the back teeth about 1966.

Mind you you never mention 1967 when Scotland became the unoffical world champions.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 02:41 PM

I could give a damn really

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 03:01 PM

Who cares about football anyway???

But, ahhhhhh, guitars is a different matter and that was the year that my Martin D-18 was born!!!

Now that's something to brag about... Might of fact, she's still doin' a lot of braggin' while them English soccer players who won the cup are shufflin' around nursing homes... LOL...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 03:03 PM

And my D-18 was born in 1967. A good year for guitars.

Any why do y'all keep calling soccer - football?

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 03:20 PM

1966 was an okay year, as the '60s went. I was in college and the National Guard. I think that was the year I spent all that time at the beach.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Snuffy
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 03:30 PM

Football means soccer to 90% of the population of this planet. For any other type of football you have to specify - Rugbuy Union, Rugby League, American, Aussie Rules, Gaelic, etc.

And the soccer is the only one where you aren't allowed to use your hands, just your feet. All the others should be called "handball"

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 03:33 PM

That's what you do a lot of if you don't wear a cup ain't it?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: lady penelope
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 04:20 PM

I was born in 1966. Nuff sed.....

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Shields Folk
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 04:39 PM

Banockburn was in 1314 and the jocks never shut up about that either!

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 06:52 PM

Yee Haw !! Another Race Riot !!!

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: GUEST,memyself
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 08:29 PM

"Football means soccer to 90% of the population of this planet."

Isn't it the other way around - "Soccer means football to 90%", etc.? (And does that mean that 90%+ speak English?).

(Sorry to interfere with the race riot - you can get back to it now).

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:05 AM

The new film isn't about football. It's about a boy who's pissed off that the final is taking place on the day of his barmitzvah.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: MBSLynne
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:44 AM

1966 was a great year for me...and I don't think I was aware that there WAS a World Cup......

Believe me, a lot of us English are fed up with all the hype around football generally.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:57 AM

We have a tradition of remembering how many people died in World Wars...why should we not have memories of something great that happened for our country....

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:15 AM

Would we be harping on about it so much if it had been a different team we beat??

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:18 AM

I was 17. redoing my O levels at Exeter tech - 7th floor.

I remember my birthday that year. It was january. I got some Richmond fags and smoked one or two of them in the dinner hour in a coffee bar above a record shop called The Left Bank in Paris Street, Exeter -- very bohemian. I chose Richmond cos it was a name I associated The Rolling Stones.

That night there was an eagerly awaited documentary about Donovan on the box. The young Mr Leitch was shown larking round on the beach in St Ives in winter time with some beautiful women. And he was playing a tasty looking Gibson - lucky sod. Someone in Melody Maker pointed out next week that they were all posing as penniless hippies but in actual fact the young ladies were all dressed by Courege.

One of the girls hitched a lift and outraged my parents by trying to scrounge some money off a lorry driver (it was in the script). Over the top of it Donovan sang Jansch's Running from home. This surprised me as I hadn't thought Donovan's guitar picking was equal to that sort of thing at that point. To be honest I was a bit pissed off, as I don't think I had figured out Running from Home at that point myself.

what bliss in that bright dawn.....

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Paul Burke
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:52 AM

1966 wasn't a good year for me. I was 13 and being bullied at school. New hormones and neither information nor opportunity to do anything with them, thank you the De La Salle Brothers. I had grown out of Freddie and the Dreamers, but was too immature for stronger stuff. Holiday in Ireland was good, though I hadn't heard of the music then. We were there when the football was on. Bad news from the Isle of Man- the steam railway closed as British holidaymakers deserted in droves to Spain. It never fully reopened.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Splott Man
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 04:06 AM

Just because a few lazy sports journalists bring it up at any opportunity, please don't tar us all with the same brush.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:25 AM

No, I got it the right way round - when people all over the world and in almost every language speak of "football", "Fussball", "futbol", etc they mean the game of soccer - in South & Central America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australasia, just about everywhere but the USA

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:35 AM

Guest I have stated time out of number that soccer was the term we used in Ireland to describe Association Football and we didn`t pick it up from the Yanks, I am going on 70 and that was always the way I heard it described.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 06:39 AM

I was a Police Cadet in Exeter in 1966..attended the Tech on Tuesdays Al so we may have crossed paths at some time.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: MBSLynne
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:44 AM

Unless Australia has changed a lot since I lived there, when they say "Football" they mean Australian rules football, which in no way resembles soccer. When they refer to soccer, they call it soccer.

I was 14 for most of 1966 and thoroughly enjoying my hormones! I spent most of my free time down at Cottesloe beach or in my room listening to music...especially the Beatles. One of those times when, in memory, the sun always shone.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:49 AM

Okay, agreed, if you Scots stop going on about what we did to you in the far more distant past. No more "Braveheart" = no more 1966. Deal?

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:17 AM

No one is forced to see a film about something in history that does not interest him. There are films made about events even much longer back in history.

Every German football fan older than 50 still can't hear these words without crying:
Er hat den Ball - verloren diesmal, gegen Schäfer. Schäfer nach innen geflankt. Kopfball - abgewehrt. Aus dem Hintergrund müsste Rahn schießen - Rahn schieß:t - Tooooor! Tooooor! Tooooor! Tooooor!

1966 gave the German language a new word: Wembley Tor (Wembley goal)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:29 AM

Where's this 'Scotland' place then? Is it near Norwich?

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Becca72
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:39 AM

1966 was 6 years before my birth and I don't watch football or soccer...sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 11:06 AM

I don't like football either, I agree not more talk about bravheart or Bannockburn.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:32 PM

its an odd thing the football results were a sort of something we all listened to, from being tiny kids. even those of us who didn't like football. we got to hear about exotic faraway places like Huddersfield and Brechin City.

a bit like the shipping forecast - german Bight and all that. What uneventful lives we must have had, to sit through that.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Shields Folk
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 04:19 PM

Forfar 5 East Fife 4

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: lady penelope
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:03 PM

As my father would commandeer the telly whenever the footy results came on, we had no choice but to hear/see them. On a saturday that alright 'cos it usually meant that the next programme was Dr Who!

I like watching local sides play or the sunday teams on Hackney marshes, but league football games tend to leave me cold. But then hype is always the quickest way to put me off something. I must say that I REALLY enjoy watching the few games a year that I see of Aussie rules football. Not so much a sport as vaguely organised carnage.......

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Cats
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:10 PM

1966 - after the 'cup' a certain family moved into my village and I became baby sitter to two lovely children and official dog walker to a black and white mongrel dog called Pickles. Dreadful day when some young hooligans strung him up on a fence and left him to die a few years later.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: The Walrus
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:47 PM

To be honest, when I saw the title, I thought this thread was about the short radio series "1966 And All That" - a brief history of the 20th Century, in the style of "1066 And All That" (I found it amusing, although it did get mixer reviews)

W

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: JennyO
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:21 AM

1966 was a big year for me. It was really the year I grew up in a big way. It was my first year working, the year I left home and discovered I actually could take charge of my life and do some of the things I wanted to do without my overbearing mother breathing down my neck.

It was my first year of freedom. The music of that time was very significant in my life - not folk music at that stage but bands like Manfred Mann, The Kinks, The Animals, and many of the local rhythm and blues bands. To tell the truth, I was a bit of a groupie, but I learned a lot and I had a ball. In many ways it was probably just about the best year of my life and I don't regret one minute of it. I remember that period of my life with a lot of fondness.

Pity I had to throw it all away the next year and marry a tyrant. It was many years later before I felt as free again. I'm starting to get there now.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: GUEST,Penguin Egg
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 10:37 AM

Tom Hamilton has a point. I am bored to death about 1966. We won a game- so what! I must admit, I would like to see football banned, even if it means driving it underground. Best place for it.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: MBSLynne
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:42 PM

I think it would be somewhat unfair to ban something which gives large numbers of people innocent enjoyment. I don't like football, but I don't have to watch it and if other people want to I see no reason why they shouldn't

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:34 PM

Thats a sad story JennyO. Its a funny thing, when we've been dominated all our childhood, we sometimes look for that oppression in our work relationships and choice of partner - I suppose it gives a sense of reassurance - as though we're revisiting childhood with all its limitations.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:38 PM

Never mind the football, 1966 was when I met the people who introduced me to my local (Herga) folk club, the Young Tradition, Watersons etc, etc.....   

Kitty

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:25 PM

I was 2 and heavily into Andy Pandy...

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: GUEST,Desdemon~D
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 07:20 PM

....and you're making me feel like I've never been born...

~D

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: JennyO
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:14 PM

I think that's exactly how it is WLD, and it took me a long time to work through it, but I have, and things are pretty good now.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:41 PM

Nothing to do with 1966, but I had to post a gloat after teh last few days:

Chelsea beaten. Arsenal beaten. Manchester United beaten. Glory Days!

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: MBSLynne
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:05 AM

Yawn....

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: The Walrus
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:33 AM

1966, I was in junior school and just being introduced to folk music (OK, mainly 'Spinners' stuff) by a student teacher at junior school, (A Miss Maxwell IIRC).
No responsibilities, no worries, all needs supplied and a cloud of (school)friends, just having fun - Happy Days.

W

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 05:09 AM

that's nice to hear JennyO. Do you gig? I'd be interested if you ever expressed any of this in your work.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Grab
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 05:15 AM

Tom, call us again when the Scottish national anthem is changed to something other than a celebration of winning a battle against the English 800 years ago. I mean, all those positive things to celebrate about Scotland - the Highlands are without a doubt the most beautiful place in the UK - and the best thing some wankers can think of for their national statement is "we're not English". Go figure.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Paul Burke
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:11 AM

Better than God Help the Queen.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:46 AM

There isn't a Scottish National Anthem any more than there is an English National Anthem.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: dwditty
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:59 AM

The best thing about 1966 is that we were less than a year away from the release of Sgt Pepper's.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 05:58 PM

there were other good things The Four Tops -Reach Out!, Sweet Souls Music - Arthur Conley - the Stax tour with Sama and Dave.

Gerry Lockran, Johnny Handle, Bert Jansch, The young Tradition, The Three City Four, The Watersons, Noel Murphy, Hamish Imlach, Derek Brimstone, Carthy and Swarbrick - all at the top of their form and down at your local folk club.

Subject: RE: BS: 1966 and all that
From: Hawker
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:04 PM

1961 was a far better year - the year I was born!

Cheers, Lucy