BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert

Subject: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Alice
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:51 PM

If you live in a rural area anywhere in the world and urbanites are moving in, you may be able to relate to this!
Many locations in the US West are printing up a guideline for urban newcomers to the country life. Madison County, Montana, provided such a brochure to city slickers, and now Madison County, Idaho, is doing so. Other "Code of the West" brochures have been handed out in other states such as Arizona, Colorado and Texas, according to this AP article.
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"Commissioners said they noticed some frustration from new residents over some aspects of rural life familiar to farmers and lifelong residents.
They say the code is needed to inform transplants from metropolitan areas that living in the country means a lack of amenities such as all roads being paved, quick responses from fire departments and cell phone service.
The guide also warns newcomers they may face some nuisances, such as farmers baling through the night at harvest time and burning their fields."

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It's the "Green Acres" phenomenon! We have a local farm and ranch supply company that does tv ads based on Green Acres. There is a guy dressed in a checkered suit who looks like Eddy Albert. Each ad has a script where the greenhorn needs help on his farm and asks the rancher what to do. The old rancher then takes him to Farm & Ranch supply to get the right stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Scoville
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:55 PM

Ha ha! Like the time I was late for school because there was a longhorn bull in the road. Or all the time I spent crawling along behind a farmers on combines in Iowa. Or the time my city cousin decided that hopping from rock to rock was a safe, clean, way to get through a cow pasture, until she hit a "soft rock" and spoiled her new sneakers.

Honest to God--what do people expect? If you move out there to get the feel of country living, you're going to get the feel of country living, fun and less-fun.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:59 PM

I think it would be more appropriate to have the guides in all the real estate offices. Once a city slicker has bought into it, it may be too late to avoid some unhappy surprises.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 01:05 PM

Are they also being asked not to "Californicate" Idaho, as Oregon evidently did?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 01:41 PM

Keep in mind, Ron, that it didn't work. My father paid $39,000 for a 160+ acre ranch. Thirteen years later he sold it for #104,000.

The last time 'round, it sold for more than half a million.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Shaneo
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 01:44 PM

When the urban sprawl goes deeper and deeper into the country side the rural inhabitants usually bend to facilitate the so called city slickers, The pig farm they will say is too smelly ?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: breezy
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 01:46 PM

Ah! the country smell of manure , esp pigs and the cocks crowing at Dawn and all the other girls.

And the shit on the roads making me range rover dirty.

the realities of rural life just 20 miles from the centre of London

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 02:42 PM

And the damn wildlife won't stay in their pens!!! Coming into the yards, gardens, eating the veg...geeze, folks!!!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Scoville
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 02:47 PM

Or crashing through windows and jumping into swimming pools, as seems to happen a lot around here.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: NH Dave
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 03:43 PM

breezy, it was a real education for me, a US farm boy to arrive in East Anglia with the forces, and encounter hog muck being used on the turnip fields. Now that is something that will really clean out your sinuses.

Reminds me of that line in Convoy>/i> about the trucker following the truck hauling hogs.

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Scoville
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 04:03 PM

We used to drive a couple of times a year from Denver to Cedar Rapids and back, and I vividly remember having to use the windshield wipers when driving behind livestock trucks. Yuck. That, and going through a car wash before we actually arrived at my grandparents' house.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: open mike
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 04:21 PM

if there is a class for new comers to the country, well, i hope it tells them to leave their street lights and mean dogs at home in the city.

I recently went to a remote area and was thinking about the difference between the fast lane and road rage and the hand signals often found in the country...the "two finger wave" of the friendly back roads folks
who lift thier digits off the steering wheel to give a friendly howdy v.s. the "one finger wave" of the stessed out city speed freaks on the freeway.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 06:12 PM

I could never understand the people who bought the cottage next door to the church and then complained bitterly and regularly about the sound of the church bells twice a week and the cars cluttering up the road on Sundays.... Did they not notice the 120ft tower or the big 4ft sign saying 'CHURCH PARKING ONLY'...?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: RangerSteve
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 06:23 PM

It's not just in the American West. Here in Western New Jersey, where it's still motly farm country, they've had to pass "Right to Farm" laws because uf lawsuits instituted by yuppies who move out here and expect Currier and Ives paintings come to life. One couple tried suing a neighboring farmer because his tractors made noise, and because his rooster crowed all the time. The yuppie wife was quoted as saying that the rooster crowing was "traumatic. I break down and cry every time I hear it". She needs to move back with her Mommie. Another thing yuppies need to learn is that their commute into the city will be longer, speeding on these country roads and tailgating us commoners won't gain you any respect. We're not getting out of your way. Try leaving for work earlier.
Oh, yeah, the yuppies moved, but not before writing a letter to the editor of the weekly newspaper where they pointed out that we would not be graced with their royal presence anymore, and it was our loss. In reality, we won. But they'll never see it that way.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 06:45 PM

we get similar in our cities, Liz, folks buy/rent near a pub/venue or sportsground & complain about noise & crowds.

One or 2 NIMBYs (Not in My Backyard) made long & loud complaints to the licencing athorities & media about the activities of the next door church.

Their complaints referred to the markets (30+ years) & concerts (several years) - how dare a church do commerical stuff to support their outreach!!! How dare visitors park in their inner city streets when they came to the markets, concerts & nearby sportsgrounds.

Church authorities were forced to spend zillions to completely soundproof the hall so concerts (folk & world) did not spill out & disturb these NIMBYs. We also leave by the entrance nearer the main road, not side road, tippy toe to the carpark near the NIMBYs & leave quietly. Which we would anyway, the real noise in the area probably comes from the backpackers pub across the main street.

City folk also move into bushy areas to enjoy the quiet & greenery, then complain about proposed hazard burning by the local volunteer fire brigades. Sometimes they "won" & subsequent fires were fiercer & covered more ground. Sometimes propereties burned & lives were lost.

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 07:41 PM

Teton County did this before Madison County. Teton County -- where the low-end billionaires, forced to move from Jackson Hole by the high-end billionaires -- are driving out the millionaires.

Please, don't californicate Idaho. It would be to your good health not to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Slag
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 02:15 AM

You guys really overlooked one of the main dangers of city dudes moving to the country ( and yes, there's still some country left here in CA, but it's going fast!). It seems all the megopoli are where the political blue is situated. What's going to happen when they move out here in the stick and they have to actually start thinking for themselves? Why, within a year or two they will have learned to think logically (that is, if they want to survive and not be a member of Darwin's "Also Rans"). And then when they turn their new intellectual power to politics, all bets are off. More red in rural America!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: maeve
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 06:54 AM

Then there was my new-from-the-city-neighbor who figured he'd get one over on the local yokels. Come spring, we found he had tapped the pines as well as the maples to make syrup. Ayuh, he showed us...! ;)

maeve

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 07:17 AM

We get them in the highlands too. They pay ridiculous prices for properties, then when they move in, can't understand why Harrods don't deliver, or the food in their local shops costs more than in the supermarket 80 miles away!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 10:47 AM

I was new on the job and talking to a member of both PETA and the Sierra Club who was visiting from LA. I asked about the hiking in the hills.

"It's great, but carry a gun. At least a .357 magnum. There are wild animals in those hills!!! (You could hear the italics.)

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Scoville
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:32 AM

. . . I won't get started on PETA.


Denver used to have problems with coyotes eating pet cats and mountain lions eating joggers. I try to stay out of the way of mountain lions. My grandmother's Abyssinian was mean enough--I wouldn't tangle with that personality in a 150-pound body.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Midchuck
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 12:19 PM

For any animal that will willingly attack a human, other than another human, a .357 isn't enough. You need a .44 Mag or better if you insist on relying on a handgun.

Getting back to the original topic, it doesn't just happen in the West. We get the same stuff in Vermont. We have a "right to farm" law too.

I recall some years ago someone got up in Town Meeting and complained about the road maintenance. It seemed he lived on a dirt road, and in mud season his Corvette was bottoming out. You can imagine the sympathy he got...

Peter.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Slag
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 12:33 PM

Here in good old CA we've enshrined those sweet lovable old pussycats, the mountain lions. Those wise voters took the lions' management from the hands of the Dept. of Fish and Game and decide to act in accord with the wisdom of Walt Disney and Hannah and Barbbera. DF&G have set great steel traps on my property and that of my neighbors after one tried to snatch a new comer's kid who was sleeping the night on their new veranda. One of the trackers told me if I got the chance to shoot one in our area it would save them the problem. I didn't have to be told.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Metchosin
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 12:42 PM

RangerSteve, same thing here. Its as if they have absolutely no idea of time and distance when they move out here, and daily try to prove themselves able to compress at least an hour's drive into a 20 minute commute. Over the past 5 years, the roads around here have become f*cking dangerous, particularly during their return flight.....and keeping to the right, on hills and blind curves, even when the road has no clearly designated centre line, seems to be an alien concept also.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Mo the caller
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 01:37 PM

Well the country dwellers make money out of the incomers.
I was in the Post Office (15 years or so back when my nearest village still had one) and saw a notice about a planning application to turn a farm into a small housing development. I asked if the people who lived near were objecting. They weren't, the farmer had also put in plans for a large-scale pig farm, and they knew which they prefered.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 01:56 PM

"For any animal that will willingly attack a human, other than another human, a .357 isn't enough."

You use it to wound the person you're jogging with.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 02:05 PM

I have always marvelled at people who go into a cow pasture and seem surprised to see plops here and there. Seems a mystery to them.

Year ago in Ontario while driving from Alberta to Montreal, my brother and I stopped near a stream to rest a bit. He called me over and said, "What made that track?" I looked and said "Black bear, and it's less than three minutes old judging by the speed of the water beginning to fill it." He got all freaky. I told him to relax because the bear liked us less than we liked the bear. He was gone--the bear that is. So was my brother. He spent the next half hour in the car.

We used to think it a real luxury in the north when roads got an oil coat to keep the dust down. Then when a 200 km stretch got paved thus cutting about 1 1/2 hours off a trip to the big city, we were thrilled. There were still no buildings at all between point A and point B, but there'd always be someone along within a day or two, so it was never anything to get upset about if ya broke down. We sure get spoiled in the city.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 02:06 PM

"Year ago in Ontario while driving from Alberta to Montreal"

Saw it just as I posted. That should read "Years ago . . ."

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Scoville
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 03:16 PM

The last time we were in Colorado, we went up to Rocky Mountain National Park to see the elk and hiked one of the circular trails. My brother wanted to hike a second one but I was having a hard time keeping up with him because we were not longer used to the altitude (and because he's seven inches taller than I am and takes half as many steps) so I decided to go back down to Estes Park and Christmas shop. I said I'd pick him up at the trail head in two hours.

An hour and fifteen minutes later, I was sitting in the car checking a town map when there was a knock on the window. It was my brother. He had seen fresh mountain lion tracks and not only finished the trail but hiked all the way back to town in what must have been record time.

Never did see the mountain lion but, like I said, we'd rather not tempt fate.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Alice
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 03:35 PM

There is a mountain bike trail in Colorado where a mountain lion routinely staked out a spot to jump on bikers. He killed and mauled bikers before the lion was finally killed. He was an older lion and found a place where his dinner would come to him.

Then there are the people who think they are in the wilderness when they are right on the edge of town... a mom and her daughter were walking their dogs here when a couple of guys shot and killed the German Shepherd saying they thought it was a wolf. The shooters were visiting Bozeman from Texas, I believe. A wolf with a bandana around its neck?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: RangerSteve
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 03:54 PM

There's also a belief among city people that there are animal doctors that work for free. In my 20 years as a ranger, I've had to put quite a few deer out of their misery after they had been hit by cars. It's no problem if there are no people around, but if there are, the first thing they ask is "Isn't there an animal hospital you can take it to?" I usually ask them if they want to pay the bill. That's when they decide it's ok to kill it. But occasionaly, you get someone who insists that I put the deer in my patrol car and take it to a vet. I've tried to explain that if the deer regains consciousness, it will panic and probably kill me, but they've seen "Bambi" and they know that deer are cute and cuddly and fully understanding of human compassion. The deer will sit quietly in my car and be grateful. Sometimes they'll even stand between me and the deer. On those occasions, I would just leave. So far, no one has filed any complaints about me. Some of us have even been asked to rescue deer that have fallen through the ice into rivers and lakes. If the deer fell through, so will a human. And, again, the deer just don't understand compassion. They'll kick the daylights out of anyone that comes near them. I hate to see an animal die that way, but it's not worth risking my own life.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 03:57 PM

We routinely have bear (both black and grizzly on occasion), mountain lion, elk and deer wandering through a town with about 10,000 people in it. It's no big deal really. But it is wise to bike with others because there is some safety in numbers. (Note however, there isn't much safety in numbers if a grizzly is pissed off for any reason.)

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 04:05 PM

There are idiots everywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 04:47 PM

Heck, Peace, we've had black bear, moose, elk, deer and mountain lion wander through a two towns (a "cross the street" town line) with 60,000 people in them. Lady who had the lion decided NOT to go chase it off, locked the back door, and let it eat her cats.

Wolves have been found trailing people with dogs outside of Challis, ID -- about 4,000 people. And coyotes are so common we don't even talk about 'em anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 05:16 PM

Is there an equivalent guide for people moving into urban areas, about the things they are used to having, but that they are now going to have to get along without?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 05:17 PM

Air for one.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Slag
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 05:42 PM

Breezy, your discription of the road reminded me of one road on the westside of the San Juaquin aways from a little town called Wasco. On the Maps these days it's called (PC, enough) "Brown Material" Road but all the locals still call it by it's original name!

And that reminds me of the sensibilities of the Tendertooties on some other outstanding names. There is a row of evenly uplifted hills where Hwy. 20 enters the Coastal Range called "Sqaws' Tits" and down by Lake Isabella up Kern River Canyon are a pair of peaks called "Nellie's Tits". Come to think of it Grand Tetons is French for "Big Tits". Those early comers were sure a nostalgic lot, weren't they? Then there's the Gros Vent River (pronounced "Grow Vaunt") named after the Gros Vent Indians. The name means "Fat Belly". Then there was Hang Town, Whisky Flats, Tom's Place and many other colorful names, some of which still remain. City folk haven't gotten their sensibilities wrapped around those yet.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 05:50 PM

Fallis, Alberta. They pronounce it FALLis. Can't figure out why.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Slag
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 06:00 PM

Someone said recently that there was a time when they wouldn't put a representation of Florida on maps of North America; too suggestive! Was that an "s" or "c"?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 06:21 PM

Saw a comedian who said he could do a shadow puppet of Florida without using his hands.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 08:09 PM

Then there are the morons who move near airports and complain about the noise of planes landing at night.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 08:21 PM

. . . only to find out they are really mosquitoes.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 07:36 PM

I have photos..(slides) of people in Yellowstone Park getting OUT of their vehicles to get better snapshots of the CUTE momma bear with the two cubs!....yes, they were tossing them treats, also! (We were taking the pics from a specially built platform on top of our govt. station wagon, about 50 yards away. These people had passed several signs saying "DO NOT FEED THE BEARS...STAY IN YOUR CAR WHEN BEARS ARE AROUND". (No, I don't have pics of bears getting mad when the snacks ran out).....

I have photos, taken in 1975 on the Seattle docks, of this little low-slung sports car (built on VW frame...what were those called?) pulling a little one wheeled trailer (wheel was about 10" diameter).....They were waiting for the ferry to take them to Valdez, where they intended to drive to Anchorage!
   Regulars on the ferry were staring, half in amusement, half aghast... One was heard to mumble, "There's potholes on that road bigger than than that trailer!"
   They just smiled and said, "Oh, we know it will be 'an adventure'."
I 'specks it was.

......after my party boarded the ferry, we went to the restaurant for a snack. The folks sitting beside us asked where we were from.

"Kansas", we admitted.

"Oh, were from Los Angeles! We never met anyone from Kasnsas! Have you even been to Dodge City?"

"Well, yes.."

"Do they really have hitching post for horses on the street? How do they keep it clean?"

....fighting to keep my face straight, I allowed as how, "no...Marshall Dillon retired awhile back, and they've kinda paved things 'modern like'.....even have 'lectricity most places. Barely need to worry about Indian attacks at all these days"

It was a pleasure to reach Juneau, where 99% of those you met seemed sane.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 07:42 PM

LOL! I went to NYC when I was 14. Lots of people asked me, how did you get here?? (on a covered wagon, you nut)

Much trouble with Indians? (only when they are drunked up and have knives)

I kinda like the folks in Custer (South Dakota) State Park who park on the road, no shoulder at all, to get out and pet the buffalo. The ones who ignore the posted speed of 45 MPH are fun too. ZOOOOOM thru the park, around the blind 20 MPH curves.....BAM! Not much left of a small car after it hits a buffalo. Or careens thru a whole herd.

Did you know that the plural of tourist is tourii? hee hee. Family word.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 07:48 PM

I used to work about 30 miles east of Cleveland, Ohio -- rural country, but hardly backwoods! So we had a computer connection to Columbus put in (dedicated line, with a modem that measured about 18" long x 6" high x 4" wide, so you know it was back aways -- the terminal had a screen that was a magnificient 9" diagonal). I was asked about the connection at meetings and how well did it work? (Well, hell, it was Ohio Bell, just like Cleveland and Columbus and everyplace.)

I usually said, "Pretty well. Every morning we ring up Mazie over at the switchboard and tell her, 'Mazie, you connect me to Columbus now, ya hear, and don't go listenin' in, neither!'"

I got some really odd looks....

Another time, working in Elkhart, Indiana (120 miles from Chicago, ferchrissakes!) I got a call from a Customer Satisfaction Rep from IBM....

"You bought a new server a few months ago! How do you like it?" said the perky guy.

"Just fine," I replied. "We get in here about 7 each morning, stoke the boiler, put in some more coal and away we go. Only problem we had was that thing with the pop-off valve, and we got that fixed."

"You...you're telling me you have a steam-powered RS6000???"

"Works right good, too. We're a-gittin' 'lectricity next, city says, so we'll be sellin' the stoker."

"Are you shittin' me???"

"Yes."

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Alice
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 11:43 AM

When I was a child, a relative of ours in Michigan was shocked to learn there are airports in Montana. She thought she would have to take a stagecoach part of the way to visit us.
Did these people think TV westerns were contemporary visions of life in the 50's and 60's? I guess so.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 01:05 PM

Airports in Montana? Really? I didn't know that! When did that happen? Daggone, they'll be putting runnin' water inta Idaho next!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Slag
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 01:11 PM

"Ok dude, be on the 12 o'clock stage outta town or be ready to draw!"

note: if you are going to stay and draw, please bring your own art materials.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 03:11 PM

Slag--

"more red in rural America". Not if the Republicans are stupid enough to follow Tancredo's lead. Or if they have a Republican-only civil war over the issue.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 03:24 PM

Well, Red Wyoming is turning Blue......not getting Redder....

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 03:31 PM

"Daggone, they'll be putting runnin' water inta Idaho next!"

We get that in Canada. It's called spring.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 03:38 PM

LOL! Melt Down!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Metchosin
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 04:33 PM

ROTFLMAO too, Peace.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: RangerSteve
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 08:10 PM

When I was a park ranger, I used to get phone calls all the time for complaints like: One of your snakes is in my swimming pool. Or: One of your bears is in my yard. Or: one of your deer was hit by a car and is dead on my front lawn. These people actually believe that the wildlife belongs to the State, specifically, the State Park Service, and have addresses in the parks. I loved telling them that not only were the animals not ours, but that they would have to deal with it themselves. That's when they panic. The thought of getting their fine hand-made Italian shoes dirty really sends them off the edge. I've seen women hiking in high heels. Occasionally, they'd ask for a ride, and it bothered me a bit to turn them down, but I only gave rides to injured people, not stupid ones. (I didn't say that to them, I'd just say I wasn't allowed to).

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 08:11 PM

Steve, in Wyoming the wildlife DOES belong to the State (not the specific park tho) and it IS their job to come deal with it.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Slag
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 12:38 AM

They passed a road kill measure here in CA that allows you to finish off a suffering animal and take the meat (bullet holes NOT allowed). So now we have, or rather had (thank God they moved recently) a neighbor that put apples and pears in the road in front of their house to keep them supplied in venison. We made DFG aware of it but they said there was little that could be done. That is, nothing could or would be done.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Code of the West' country living alert
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 08:58 AM

Dear gods. That is terrible Slag. In Wyoming we are not 'supposed' to finish off a road kill, but people do anyway. Never known anyone to be prosecuted.