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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 01 Aug 01 - 01:55 PM Well I promised a continuation thread, so here it is. Please post any further comments at The last thing I want to read (2). For the benefit of any newcomer, this is because threads with 100-plus posts can be a pain to load on some machines. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: SharonA Date: 01 Aug 01 - 09:37 AM Welcome, Coyote Breath. I'm kinda new here too. My impression is that they (we) are not ALL whiney dogs... some of us are just whiney! ;^) Seriously, though, I must agree with those who are dismayed by the extent of Brendy's f***ing foul language. I think that Brendy's point would have been taken much better without it. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Coyote Breath Date: 31 Jul 01 - 10:20 PM ye GODS! I'm new to Mudcat. I'm beginning to think your're a bunch of whiney dogs. And please, watch your language! potty mouthisms are completely inappropriate in such a public forum. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,PAH Date: 31 Jul 01 - 10:04 PM No Fionn, WYSISYG's wrong and Brendy's an idiot. He's handled himself poorly here and has treated anyone with a differing opinion like dirt.....he has shown his true colors with this one..... PAH |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha Date: 31 Jul 01 - 10:00 PM Fionn, see the help forum, under the Help thread......... |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,Quincy Date: 31 Jul 01 - 09:47 PM Sorry I thought this WAS about a favorite or least favorite book. Didn't know I'd stumbled on an argument. Riveting tho'. I'll tell you something tho','dignified' it ain't. I don't care how irritating the person may be, I sure wouldn't apologize to anyone who uses that kind of language right off the bat. Quincy |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 31 Jul 01 - 04:45 PM Wrong on both counts Sorcha. Brendy's right, WYSIWYG's wrong. Hopefully no-one's going to argue, but if they do, I'll be happy to create a continuation thread. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha Date: 31 Jul 01 - 12:48 AM o for pity's sake, it's over 100 posts, let it die a decent, dignified death. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong; it's just a mess, OK? Take a Chill Pill, ya'll. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: John Kidder Date: 31 Jul 01 - 12:33 AM This entire thread, now read, is at least close to the bottom of the list of things I might ever want to read. What an astonishing amount of energy that might have been used for something more useful, i.e., almost anything else. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Little Hawk Date: 30 Jul 01 - 09:46 PM Carrier pigeons are the new age way to go. Much more personal. As for me, I have never yet had the urge to send out a mass emailing to all or even some of the people on my address list. Why do so, when I can just post a thread on the Mudcat? That way, they who want to read it can, and they who don't can ignore it...or hurl abuse at it...whatever makes them happy. Speaking of which, my computer may be down with a virus. It's in for repairs as we...ummm...surf? - LH |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Greg F. Date: 30 Jul 01 - 09:34 PM Ah, McGrath, a Luddite after my own heart. Heck, I still write with a fountain pen you have to fill from a bottle! Cheers, Greg |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Jul 01 - 04:16 PM Question: If there are people you'd like to keep on file, but don't want to risk sending accidental e-mail to them, how do you accomplish this using Outlook Express 5, Macintosh edition?
Why not eliminate all risk and use a pencil and paper. Or if you want to be more up to date, a ball-point pen. Older technologies have a lot of advantages sometimes. (Look at the instruments we like playing, after all.) |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Jeri Date: 30 Jul 01 - 04:09 PM Viruses don't forward themselves to just one person. A few of us received the same warning from her, and there was no attachment. I can't see Susan intentionally e-mailing Brendy. I can't see her intentionally sending him a virus. I can't see Brendy lying about having received one. These are two basically decent people who have traits and tendencies that the other person can't stand. Brendy and WYSIWYG also have enough folks around here who absolutely hate one of them enough to join the party and revel in that hatred.
What I can see is (and forgive me for being paranoid) someone realising: There are a few people around here who possibly hate both Brendy and WYSIWYG, or perhaps hate only her and know Brendy will just do what they expect him to do. There are some people around here who are fully capable of doing something as sinister and illegal as this. I hope for the sake of the truth, Brendy really did complain to someone who can figure out where the message originated. And yeah, this is just speculation - just another possibility. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Greg F. Date: 30 Jul 01 - 03:02 PM I'm hardly an expert on Outlook, Sharon- I don't use it because of some of the real problems with it mentioned in the several "Virus" threads(Take a look at Eudora if you get a chance- there's a version you can get for free) but you should be able to set up separate Folders and /or Groups in Outlook by clicking the "New" button then "Folder" or "Group"& then send multiple mailings only to those addresses saved in a particular group or folder. There's folks better acquainted with Microsoft products that I that will probably jump in here to help. Good Luck! Best, Greg |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 30 Jul 01 - 01:36 PM WYSIWYG's whingeing to ptd.net (or mewling and puking to borrow Shakespeare's phrase) just about takes the biscuit. She says she is an active member of this forum, "in good standing", but might equally have said she got up so many noses here that she flounced away promising never to return. Promises, promises.... And what is "that community" to which she mysteriously refers? I dread to think. Anyway, if her complaint comes to anything, it looks like there will be no shortage of catters prepared to fill in ptd.net on some of the detail WYSIWYG forgot to mention. There's plenty on the record at Mudcat to show I'm not immune from Brendy's temper, nor spared it. But my only concern about lining up with him in this present spat is that WYSIWYG will be just itching to be martyred. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: SharonA Date: 30 Jul 01 - 10:53 AM Question: If there are people you'd like to keep on file, but don't want to risk sending accidental e-mail to them, how do you accomplish this using Outlook Express 5, Macintosh edition? SharonA |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: toadfrog Date: 29 Jul 01 - 05:55 PM This has to be the yuckkiest thread of all! |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,publius Date: 29 Jul 01 - 04:48 PM One has to question the mental health & stability of a self-proclaimed "Christian" who maintains a Nixon-style enemies list( presumably to forward to the Lord so that He may appropriately smite the wicked, or at least those she so designates?), persists in sending messages to someone who has repeatedly requested she not do so, and continually spews her personal brand of religious garbage where it has been made manifest t is not appreciated or welcome. Is she unbalanced? infantile? or, like the majority of religious nut-cases in the world, simply unable to desist from doing what she mistakenly sees as "God's Work"- as with the Nazi belt buckle, emblazoned proudly "Gott Mit Uns". Whatever the cause,I pity her husband's congregation. Let us pray: Dear Lord, protect us from your followers! Particularly the more deeply disturbed ones. Name witheld to avoid Praise, the Oracle of Holy Spam. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,PAH Date: 29 Jul 01 - 03:17 PM i DO know what I am talking about. I'm talking about how you jumped down the throat of anyone who had an opinion, like Sorcha (who by the way, prefers not to be called Sarah, why is that so hard for YOU to understand?), Richm, and others. I don't care what happens between you and Susan but you seem to think it's important enough to bring it up to everyone here and then when they respond, you jump down their throats. If you don't want the opinions and the response, don't start the thread, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out. Roger in Shefield, I know this keeps bringing things up to the top but hey, is this really worse than the "prayer paranoia" thread a while back? However, I do agree that this kind of thing keeps people away, but what can you do? PAH |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Bernard Date: 29 Jul 01 - 01:47 PM I suppose they have to draw a line somewhere. As it is 'policed by complaint', the chances of Joe Public being prosecuted is pretty remote. Unfortunately, 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'. Daft old world, innit?! |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Jul 01 - 01:03 PM So if I write down my address in my pocket diary and I haven't asked your permission I'm in breach of the law? Or if some shady character doesn't want a journalist to have his name in his contact book, he can force him to remove it? I can see some difficulties making that stand up in court.
Still looks clear enough that, in this case, once Brendy has asked to be removed from a mailing list, however acerbically that demand may have been expressed, WYSIWYG has no legal option but to comply.
Always assuming that the law in the States is similar, which I imagine it would be.
Here is a link to lots of stuff about that Maybe someone who understands things like that might have a look through it and clarify the position. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Bernard Date: 29 Jul 01 - 12:55 PM Data Protection Act Journalists are specifically mentioned! |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Bernard Date: 29 Jul 01 - 12:44 PM No, the law includes any records kept without the permission of the 'owner' of the information - policing it is by complaint... Documents such as invoices which must be legally kept for Inland Revenue/Customs and Excise purposes are exempt, but must not be used as mailing lists. As I said, 'without going into the finer points'!! :o) |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Jul 01 - 12:05 PM I think that's only electronic data bases. Otherwise everyone with an address book in their desk drawer would be at risk, and every journalist would be in jail.
So use pen and paper, as I advised earlier. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Jul 01 - 08:03 AM Well,as Lewis Carrol put it, John P:
"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried, As he landed his crew with care; Supporting each man on the top of the tide By a finger entwined in his hair. "Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice: That alone should encourage the crew. Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true."
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: John P Date: 29 Jul 01 - 07:37 AM Wow, sorry about the multiple postings. It looked from here like the Mudcat site froze up and didn't take my message, so I opened another version of it and sent it again. I don't know where the third one came from. JP
it's okay, duplicates deleted by a |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Jul 01 - 07:35 AM If someone doesn't want your emails they'll have almost certainly put a Block Sender on them, so they won't get through. So there's really no point on sending them any email, or even keeping the address.
All right, they could use a different computer or a different email account. But that'd be a bit weird.
But in any case the sensible thing with an address you aren't going to use, but don't want to lose, in case of some kind of emergency, is to write it down in a book, not rely on the computer with all its funny little ways of screwing things up. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: John P Date: 29 Jul 01 - 07:29 AM Susan, I would also like to be removed from your mailing list. I found it disconcerting to be part of a mass email from someone on Mudcat. How and why did you get my email address? Why did you save it in your address book? Why did you choose to use it? It makes you look like a spammer. John Peekstok |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 29 Jul 01 - 05:49 AM Why, though, is she stubborn, Joe? Why does she refuse to remove me from her mailing list? I have no control over who has my name and address in their Windows or other address book, and as such can't effectively complain about it. But to be part of a mailing list is a different sack of spuds, Joe, and she got BOTH e-mail addresses from this site. Fair enough, my fault for letting e-mail addresses lying around....it's odd, really, but if she took the trouble to look out there, she would find all the information she ever wanted to find out as how how to get in touch with me. You are absolutely right, however. She is going to be the one who decides whether she listens to not just me, but a few others up there, who have expressed their discomfort at the idea of this. The fact that I do not like the way she evangelises on this site, has meant that I must suffer her spam. In a way, too, the actual spam itself is as 'harmless' as the next piece of shit that I receive, but yes, she is leaving me on her list out of spite. Which is what I have said, already. I see her to be a hypocrite on this site...I always have, and I have told her so. I get told to fuck off by half of you every time I come in here. Received any spam from me, lately? And I don't even claim to be a Christian. B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jul 01 - 05:11 AM Well, Brendy, I suggested to her that it would be in her best interest to remove you from her Windows Address Book and not have any contact with you. Apparently, she's even more stubborn than you are. But not much... I think this is a personal matter between the two of you. The rest of us can't help. Good night. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 29 Jul 01 - 04:55 AM Well. whatever about the last thing I would want to read before I pass on, I certainly know that the last thing I wanted to read on a 28 degree C morning with the sun splitting the stones, was sad little cries for attention from one of Mudcat's self-appointed evangelists. Pah...sorry, man...you are on the wrong track. This is about geeting removed from Praise's mailing list. Whether I show my annoyance by four letter words or by 15 letter words is my prerogative. If she can spam me, I can 'fuck her from a height' And if you remember far enough back (it's amazing how closely people read between the lines, yet fail to read the actual ones closely enough) I did ask for no discussion; I wanted off the mailing list then..or as I put it at the time..NOW!...You know...GET ME TO FUCK OFF YOUR MAILING LIST!! Here's one more unsolicited spam mail I received from her: ________________________________________________________________________ From: The Hintons To: abuse@ptd.net Cc: Joe Offer ; Brendan McKeever Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 1:52 PM Subject: Possible E-Mail Abuse Allegation Dear PenTeleData Abuse Department, Please be advised that at a public internet forum at which I am an active member in good standing, another member of that forum is threatening to blackmail me through complaints to you about my unsolicited "mailings" to him. I will be more than pleased to respond with the facts (and documentation of his ongoing harassment of me at that forum), if he does pursue a complaint through you, but we will be out of town until mid-August.. He is alleging that he has informed me privately that he does not desire mail from me, but I have not, to my knowledge, ever received such a private notice or a request to me to be removed from my address book. He may have notified me-- we had a housefire in December and some details may have gotten lost in the aftermath. But I have certainly not intentionally spammed him as he alleges. I do a lot of group mailing in connection with a number of activities I coordinate and as a member of that community, using addresses provided in good faith and used member-to-member widely throughout that community. I am careful to use addresses discreetly and appropriately, and never for commercial purposes. As a former Red Cross director and as a pastor's wife, I have wide familiarity with boundaries in general and with all the levels of confidentiality there are. However, I recently upgraded my system, and when sending a mail of that sort earlier this week, I did inadvertently mail to him recently in connection with a verified virus warning-- when I upgraded systems a few weeks ago, the old address book folders did not transfer with all subfolders intact. As a result, his address, which had been segregated in a "Non-pub" folder of addresses of people who do not want to be mailed and/or who have harassed or threatened me, was transferred into my main address book. So when I sent a group mail on BCC he received it and seems to have assumed I was harassing him individually. My husband and I are people of good reputation, well known in our community for helping, not harming. We would anticipate that any efforts to malign us through PTD will be in vain. We will be out of town through mid-August and not available to respond until then if a complain is received. Until then I am documenting all of this individual's communications so that they will be available if needed. A copy to the individual (and to one of the referenced forum's volunteer administrators) is sent with this mail. ~Susan Hinton ______________________________________________________________ PAH...close your eyes for a minute. Pretend you are one of these JoeClones. Now you are whizzing through the innerspace of the Mudcat servers. In fact any Joe, or Clone has my express permission to read it. In it are a few seroius unsubstantiated allegations, plus the qualifier at the end. Now PAH...you would want to be very sure...and I mean VERY SURE that you knew what the fuck you were talking about, and without the added knowledge that I KNOW that she is barking as far up the wrong tree as she could possibly imagine....because I KNOW, my man.....I know the FULL STORY...and I don't give a fuck who you are, but you don't..... Joe. You (if you want to, mind you), can delve into that message if you want, and confirm for me (again, if you want to), and to the assembled masses here, that she was planning to do this, and would cut off any E.mails I would send her back complaining about this, by forwarding my mail on to anybody she chose. Praise is wrong about a couple of things...I never claimed to have asked her PRIVATELY to desist. That would be a bit counter-productive, wouldn't it? If she is going to document 'all of this individual's communications', there would little sense in it, would there?, and jackass or no, there's one thing I am not...and that is stupid. I publish these PMs only because there is a new mailing list, now. One which Joe Offer and I seem to be the persent recipients. And I have said that I don't want any mails from her. Purely conjectural, here, but if I decided to start a mailing list, and arbitrarily add people to it...what's to stop me? Or Fionn, for instance (no offence, man), or kat (again, darlin'...no offence). Anybody, in fact. But do you get the drift? Spam from 'Ikea Customer Services Department' (God Forbid!), or whatever, can be dealt with. I am running the E-business part of a 3D business that is owned by a mate of mine, and I get attachments like 'joke.exe' all the time. I'm running Office XP, and automation is the sweetest thing, believe me. I get shitloads of spam every hour, for chrisssakes, that I have no control over. That sirc virus has been in and out of here since it started, and there's people in and out of here who know their stuff a hell of a lot better than I do, who check this yoke, here on a daily basis for trojans and spybots, and all sorts of nasty things.... But I can't go off to some of these wankers and say..."Excuse me..can you take yourself and the rest of your fucking spam mail, and not kindly at all, Fuck OFF", because I don't know who any of these assholes are. They're from Taiwan, Argentina, Malawi, The Seychelles, for God's sake. Praise is here..I can contact her here....and I did...78 posts back. I also did it a few months ago...publicly. I want NO intimacy or privacy with Praise, whatsoever. I do not send her PMs, and I don't want her to send me details of what she's up to, where she's been, where she's going, what she thinks I need. If we were in a pub, and that was me getting into some woman's face, despite repeated 'Fuck offs' from the lady in question, I'd end up with a baseball bat or golf club over the back of the head. And do you know something....I'd deserve it! STOP SENDING ME YOUR SHIT, PRAISE...I DON'T WANT IT. B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 29 Jul 01 - 04:17 AM .....in the morning is this thread again. Can it go now?. susan just delete the address, let him know and let it go What a place this must seem to be to anyone looking at mudcat for the first time, and every new comment drags it back to the top again Its all been said, just let this thread die |
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Subject: Fighting the KAK Worm & others... From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jul 01 - 09:34 PM If there are people you'd like to keep on file, but don't want to risk sending accidental e-mail to them, copy their e-mail address to the "other" section of the person's entry in your Windows Address Book. Then delete the e-mail address from its regular location. You'll still have the address on file if you need to refer to it, but you won't accidentally send out e-mail to the person. I think this would also eliminate the chance of a worm or virus sending e-mail to that particular person. People who send and receive lots of e-mail are bound to pick up a virus or worm along the way. I think they have a responsibility to be aware of that, and to take special precautions to protect others. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: katlaughing Date: 28 Jul 01 - 08:56 PM As Brendy said, The virus is not the problem. My apologies, apparently vacation hasn't started, yet, according to some other postings of today. It seems we should all adopt a policy of not adding anyone to a list unless they give their permission. I know I've made some mistakes in the infrequent times I've sent out healing requests, but I've also made a point to remove someone's name when they've asked and I now have the names in my address book marked, permanently, of those who do NOT want to receive such. kat
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 28 Jul 01 - 07:58 PM Good point on the ambiguity McGrath - I hadn't noticed. It's like they say in that old advert,"Nothing works faster than Anadin.") And spot on, Bob - you hit two nails on their heads in one post. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Jul 01 - 07:49 PM I saw it as a last straw thing, and maybe a misunderstanding as well. I can't see how the "macho" remark really adds up. Thee are plenty of women around who are every bit as liable to erupt.
Getting back to Pinetop Slim's appropriate bit of thread drift, and the ambiguity I remarked upon in the thread title, I suppose the way we express the difference is that if we say "The last thing I want to read" it means you don't wan tot read it, whereas "the thing I want to read last" means you do want to read it.
I think the thing I might want to read last could well be a poem I just posted on another thread.
And the related question is, what is the thing I would least like to be the last thing I said or wrote to a friend. And that is a whole other kettle of fish. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,PAH Date: 28 Jul 01 - 07:31 PM Do you all really think that this discussion is about virus alerts and such.....look a little closer. this is about one person's total dislike for someone else and he has decided to use this thing (the virus issue) as an opportunity to launch an attack. I can disagree with someone about their beliefs and how they go about them and in fact I DO disagree with the lengths that susan goes in that regard but be clear about this. This thread was NOT a discussion about virus alerts and infected computers, this was about one man's need to be an arrogant, macho, need to be a big man, cyber-asshole and that's what he did. No thanks on the welcome there Hombre, it means nothing here..... PAH |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Bernard Date: 28 Jul 01 - 05:46 PM In my guise as an IT professional, I agree that anti-virus software is no guarantee against infection, but it is, sadly, necessary. I only started using Norton a couple of months ago because I was receiving infected mail quite regularly - which I was able to recognise and delete safely - but realised it is only a matter of time before the worst happens. I have never had a virus or worm on my system, but know dozens who have, many of whom I have had to disinfect... Vigilance, such as has been suggested by others above, is the first line of defence, and mailing lists are most likely to propagate such malicious software. As a member of a Morris side which needs to use a mailing list, I decided to use eGroups, which was later taken over by Yahoo. Such groups are less likely to cause the spread of email-borne viruses, as the providers screen such emails for viruses for their own protection, as the messages are retained on their servers for some considerable period. Such groups can be set up for the use of members only, which significantly cuts down the risk of spam - the group server returns such unwanted matter to the sender, or deletes undisclosed senders' messages. Unfortunately, viruses and worms are like car thieves - if they want to do their worst, you cannot stop them... just try to make it as difficult as possible for them!!
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,Bob Pacquin Date: 28 Jul 01 - 05:24 PM I think Brendy is a bit of an excitable boy, and, his expressions are a bit on the extreme edge, but that is about where I would be if I got an infected e-mail from someone that I didn't like, didn't want anything to do with, and I knew didn't like me, and who, nonetheless, had stubbornly kept my e-mail address in an active address book--And I wouldn't have been any happier if that infected e-mail was a warning from someone who was afraid that they were sending out contaminated e-mails--As Joe pointed out, that is not a very bright thing to do-- As always happens when someone blows off some steam, Brendy's gut reaction to all this has become the issue, and not Susan's action, which was really the problem--
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Jul 01 - 04:23 PM So, anyone on the Cat who wants to get in touch with me, send me a PM instead of an email. Aside from anything else, it doesn't get lost in the spam.
Moreover, the free email forwarders I use has just decided to ration users to 25 emails a day, so that doesn't leave all that much room for real emails once the spam has been deleted unreasd. I mean the real soam - all the get-rich-quick and the dirty postcard brigade. The Space Invaders whom I blast with Block Sender - but there are always more of them coming up behind.
I'm afraid I tend not to open any threads about viruses, because i can't understand them. And if I do understand them, I get worried. I'm the same with articles about illness.
"The last thing I want to read" is a nice ironic ambiguous phrase. For example, what Litle Hawk wrote: "The last thing I would want to read just before dying would be a spiritual text or a philosophical text reminding me of the goodness of life, humanity, and creation" - you could read that either way. In context it was clear LH meant it unironically. But I can imagine Brendy writing exactly the same words, and I wouldn't see it as meaning the same thing at all.
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Subject: Unwanted Virus Warnings From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Jul 01 - 04:07 PM I think Little Hawk made an excellent point, and I'd like to put it in bold print: Main discussion - I am routinely suspicious of any message warning me about a virus. Such messages frequently are viruses themselves. I prefer not to receive emails warning me of viruses. If I do receive one, I call my server right away, and they have been very helpful. Due to their good advice, I did not follow the very sincere instructions sent to me by a well-meaning business associate...and delete a useful and necessary file off my hard drive (supposedly the file was a virus).It seems to me that I get virus warnings most often from people who have very little technical expertise. I usually follow through and check out the warning so I'm able to provide correct information - but most often, the virus warning e-mails I receive are just a well-intentioned nuisance. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 28 Jul 01 - 03:39 PM The last thing I'd want to read was that Praise/WYSIWYG/~S~ had put her prayer gangs to work on my behalf. Praise has promised/threatened to PM me, but mercifully so far without delivering, apart from breathlass little apologies that she has been so very busy, busy, busy, but she hasn't forgotten. Just can't imagine why anyone would trust her with an email address, or does she acquire them by sorcery? McGrath, as explained graphically by Bobbi in the "virus alert" threat, if you're using Windows and OE, you don't necessarily need to open a file attachment to get infected. Bernard and others who put such touching faith in anti-virus programs need to remember that at any point in time there will always be new viruses around that will defeat the best defences. Gratuitous, self-important gestures like WYSIWYG's will ensure that they propogate before counter-measures have been written. To anyone whose eggs are all in the Windows/IE basket, good luck - but you're a nassive target, and sooner or later the software vandals are going to zap you bigtime, with or without WYSIWYG's help. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Little Hawk Date: 28 Jul 01 - 02:39 PM Pinetop - The last thing I would want to read just before dying would be a spiritual text or a philosophical text reminding me of the goodness of life, humanity, and creation...I can think of several that would be appropriate...in several different traditions. Either that, or something hilariously funny...which might not be a bad idea. Main discussion - I am routinely suspicious of any message warning me about a virus. Such messages frequently are viruses themselves. I prefer not to receive emails warning me of viruses. If I do receive one, I call my server right away, and they have been very helpful. Due to their good advice, I did not follow the very sincere instructions sent to me by a well-meaning business associate...and delete a useful and necessary file off my hard drive (supposedly the file was a virus). Several other people in town got the same message (from friends and associates) and did delete the file...and had to spend some money getting their computers fixed. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Pinetop Slim Date: 28 Jul 01 - 02:06 PM The last thing I want to read. The heading of this thread, which gave no hint of the anger I'd find when opening it, jogged a memory of two notes I've received over the years. Both thanked me for newspaper columns I had written about two men and informed me that the columns were the last things the men had read before they died. What, might I ask, would be the last thing you would want to read, assuming you knew death was imminent and you chose to spend some of your final moments reading? (My own choice would probably be a favorite story from "Delta of Venus," though I might do better to choose some wise words about forgiveness, of which I will sorely be in need.) |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: katlaughing Date: 28 Jul 01 - 01:55 PM At any rate, she's gone on vacation for two weeks, so it doesn't look as though you'll get an answer until then. So, no use going on about it, at the moment. I use the Block Sender and Delete. No problem. kat |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 28 Jul 01 - 01:32 PM "Look, Brendy is a jackass whose response is way over the top." What, then do you make of the unsolicited spamming? Over the top, as well? Even if your name wasn't withheld.....that kind of thing doesn't worry me. Say what you want, and I will react to it on it's merits. Same goes for you, Hombre. B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,name withheld Date: 28 Jul 01 - 01:09 PM Look, Brendy is a jackass whose response is way over the top. But he does raise a vaild point about spamming. I have never exchanged an e-mail or PM with WYSIWYG, yet I am on her spam list for Christian prayer chains and phony virus warnings. I presume that she harvested my e-mail address from the Mudcat Resources and if she took mine, she probably took everyone else's. To no avail, I have politely and privately asked WYSIWYG to remove my address from her spamming. She has never responded to my requests, so I do appreciate where Brendy is coming from.
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 28 Jul 01 - 11:46 AM Cause and effect, Bernard. B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Bernard Date: 28 Jul 01 - 11:44 AM Very childish. Use the 'delete' key - that's what it's there for. My system is protected by Norton AntiVirus... I also received the email in question. It was not infected, and I was grateful for the timely warning. The lack of a link to verify that it wasn't a hoax was a little unfortunate, though. If anyone wants to stop unwanted emails, the most effective way is to automatically 'forward' them back to the sender - they'll soon get the message. Attempts at public humiliation of this kind is crass and insensitive, particularly when using such strong language. However angry, justifiably or not, this is simply inexcusable. You are forcing everyone who inadvertently stumbles across this thread - including children, don't forget - to read language they may prefer to avoid. That is exactly the violation of human rights you claim to be complaining about, but greatly magnified. Please don't do it again.
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 28 Jul 01 - 11:12 AM Pah...I wouldn't publicise unwanted PMs if I didn't get any. Welcome to Mudcat, by the way. B. |
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