BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 05:27 AM

Thats not an "analogy" Ebbie, thats a wet dream!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 02:37 AM

Guest/Josepp, that's a good analogy.

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Back on June 27, 7:37 AM, Sawzaw reported that Democratic Rep. Taylor had voted for Republican John McCain over Democrat Barack Obama. Taylor is a very conservative (not that that's necessarily bad) Democrat and has voted for and urged many issues that most Democrats don't want; he has often been asked whether he would cross the aisle but he said that overall he thinks that the Democratic party serves the people better.

As for voting for McCain over Obama, it might not be remiss to note that he is a white man living in Mississippi. Not to charge that he is racist- but most people are affected by their upbringing.

I Also Found This

"When it briefly looked like the House might have to decide the contested 2000 presidential election, he said then that he would vote for Republican Bush over Democratic nominee Al Gore to reflect the views of his constituents."

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 01:26 AM

With Little Hawk it won't matter how many political parties there are, they will all be working for the same interests and therefore no good can come of it.

I look at it as two supervisors working for the same VP of a company. One supervisor is a prick who enjoys fucking his underlings over and one tries to shield his underlings from the wrath of the VP. One day, you screw up a project that you worked on very hard but one little slip fucked you. The VP has to be told about it. Which supervisor do you want going to the VP and pleading your case? The one who would get a hard-on feeding your ass to the dogs and watching you get fired or the one who tries to defend you by pointing out that that you had done an overall good job but the mistake could have happened to anybody?

Both work for the same interests but that doesn't mean the outcomes are the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 12:39 AM

So, Little Hawk, your solution is. . . ?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 12:32 AM

I'm saying, Don, that you can't fight City Hall through those 2 political parties...no more than you could fight fascism by choosing between backing Hitler or Mussolini. No more than you could fight Communism by choosing between Lenin or Stalin. No more than you could fight crime by choosing between Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky.

It's not a viable choice, because it isn't a real choice when they both represent the same essential interests.

What you will get from either one of those 2 big political parties is more of the same you've been getting for a long time now. And that's not a viable choice.

But you don't see any other political choice, do you? So you choose to have faith in one of them. Well, that's your choice. Not mine. I have no faith in either one of them. This doesn't mean that I lie down in the gutter and let anyone take me away, however, (what a dramatic notion!) it means that I continue living my life regardless of those 2 stupid political parties, just like other people do. It's not the ONLY thing in life worth livng for, you know. There ARE other things to live for than the crass political maneuvering and manipulation that passes for "democracy" nowadays in the USA.

I haven't seen anyone coming to take me or you away yet, Don, and I don't think that your opinions or mine will prove to be the crucial tipping point in causing it to somehow happen. But if it did, it could just as well be the Democrats as the Republicans who made it happen. They have both enacted draconian legislation that points very strongly in that direction by abrogating your civil rights. Bush did with the Patriot Act. Obama did with the NDAA. And the NDAA is even more dangerous in that respect than the Patriot Act was. It's the next logical step along the same authoritarian line. It looks to me like nothing has really changed except the faces of the people at the top.

That's why I don't believe in either one of those parties. They are walking down the same path.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:40 AM

.....maybe they just have an over-due book from the library, and will be tied up

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 01:48 PM

Lieberman, was and is far from a loyal Democrat. He was John McCain's first choice for VP. Didn't they campaign together?

Sawzaw it is well and good to choose sides, but not so good to choose your own personal convenient version of reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 01:42 PM

I'm saying with the "Blue Dogs" that the Dems, at the very best, had a shaky and quite disconnected "super majority"... Ben Nelson, if you will recall, was as close to a Republican as one could find... Lieberman, who caucused with the Dems didn't win as a Dem but an Independent... So technically, they didn't and even with Lieberman they were still at least one, perhaps 2 Dems shy of a workable 'super majority"...

Like Will Rogers once said, "I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat..." 'Bout sums it up...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Jun 12 - 09:32 AM

Bobert: Are you saying that the Senate Democrats did or did not have the super majority?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 02:19 PM

Once again, Little Hawk counsels that you can't fight City Hall, so just lay down in the gutter and let them haul you away.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 12:53 PM

"(shrug) Mussolini just won a small round over Hitler, that's all. And it was a squeaker. One vote made the difference."

Mussolini? Hitler?

Been attending seminars at GSOSH (Gingrich School Of Shrill Hyperbole) have you?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 12:04 PM

(shrug) Mussolini just won a small round over Hitler, that's all. And it was a squeaker. One vote made the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 10:34 AM

"Obamacare upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court!"

In the words of an old children's show host (before 5 second delays were in place), "There. That oughta hold the little fuckers."

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 09:26 AM

Brucie is 100% correct...

We have a systemic problem with a dysfunctional government... It hasn't been too functional since Newt Gingrich brought all but declared war on Congress and Democrats back during the so-called "revolution" in the 90's which ended up with Bill Clinton being impeached... That was a low point but wait... It got lower... Much lower with the Supreme Court intervening in the 2000 election with it's decision in Bush v. Gore where the court held that Bush would be "harmed" if the recount were to continue... Yup, he would have been... He would have lost!!!

Then came 9/11 and the government seemed to shake off its dysfunctionality until Obama was elected and then it was Mitch McConnell, John Beohner and Eric Cantor taking up where Gingrich left off...

We are now even more dysfunctional than at any time in the 90s because the Republicans refuse to participate in governance...

And they want to shift the blame to rather moderate to conservative policies of the Obama administration...

Yes, our democracy is screwed... Republicans gleefully say, "Well, Dems have hads a majority and didn't do this or that (immigration)" but will not say it's because of their 300 plus filibusters and the tyranny of the Senate "super majority" rule that rewards the minority over the majority...

Yes. as I have pointed our before, unless we fix the systemics then nothing else can or will be fixed... Oh sure... We'll muddle thru but...

...great nations don't remain great by muddling thru...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 08:48 AM

"Voters believe what they are told to believe."

Some voters, not all. Some are able to think for themselves.

Some people continually use a hypothetical logical fallacy to prove a point.

"I want to go on record of saying that if Sawz jumps off a bridge"

What are the chances of that actually happening?

If Bobert slugs down some moonshine, fires up his Bong, and then bitches about people not following the rule of law then what?

What are the chances of that actually happening?

Hypothesis Contrary to Fact (Argumentum Ad Speculum):

Trying to prove something in the real world by using imaginary examples, or asserting that, if hypothetically X occurs, Y
would result.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 08:19 AM

"If Greg F said that then I would bet the farm that beardedbruce has taken his words out of context...


You would lose.



"
Taking statements out of context is ***dishonest***...
"

I AGREE. And when you stop it, I will appreciate it.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 03:57 AM

"reflective of the ascendance of economic issues in voters' minds."

Voters believe what they are told to believe. The big issue now is not the economy, it is the crumbling of democracy. The economy is not broken. It has been purloined, and regardless of which side anyone is on, bullshit ain't gonna change that very clear, very simple fact. All the rest is smoke and mirrors. The USA cannot afford rich people, period!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 11:57 PM

In Indiana, Rep. Joe Donnelly is running a television ad in which he details his generally conservative stance on immigration while images of Obama and Pelosi are shown on screen. "That may not be what the Washington crowd wants, but I don't work for them," Donnelly says in the ad. "I work for you."

Rep. Travis Childers, who represents a district in northern Mississippi where Obama won just 38 percent of the vote in 2008, takes a similar approach in his TV advertising -- promoting the fact that he has "voted against every big budget" since winning a special election two years ago.

Even some Democratic candidates who are being heavily touted by the White House appear determined to keep the president at arm's length. Shortly after Obama played a lead role in helping Sen. Michael Bennet defeat former state House speaker Andrew Romanoff in a Democratic primary fight last Tuesday, Bennet was asked whether he would want the president to campaign with him this fall. "We'll have to see," Bennet told ABC's George Stephanopoulos -- a response well short of a ringing endorsement of Obama's political standing.

One senior Democratic consultant suggested that the distance candidates are seeking to put between themselves and Obama is reflective of the ascendance of economic issues in voters' minds. "Barack Obama's economic policy of spending our way out of recession is seen as a failure at best and harmful at worst,"

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 11:42 PM

Some things Bobert says are true some are not.

He uses the old college unix mainframe/terminal way of ********screaming********* with the ***** on each side of the screamed words. The more **** the louder the scream.

I always tell him when I agree. I always state when I agree with Obama. It makes me feel good when I agree with someone.

I think some people believe they have to take everything that certain people say as the truth and everything certain other people say as untrue.

You have to study everything that is said to determine if it is true rather than using the source as the deciding factor.

The dumbest asshole in the world might say something that is the truth on occasion and the smartest person in the world might say something that is untrue.

People have to decide things independantly. Study logical fallacies. Read up on Tribal Politics.

Being able to decide things on our own and not just following the rest of the heard is what makes us human.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 10:43 PM

I don't SCREAM much, Sawz...

Well, at least since I found that CAPS meant SCREAMING...

No so, the real SCREAMERS here who SCREAM all the time...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 10:41 PM

You admit that what Bobert says is true?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 10:39 PM

"Do your think that SCREAMING turns lies into truth???"

Works for Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 10:34 PM

I think I'll distance myself from this thread...

See you after November, maybe.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 07:22 PM

I want to go on record of saying that if Sawz jumps off a bridge then I ain't gonna follow him...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 07:08 PM

Don't pick on Bruce- he is a disturbed individual who refuses to seek professional help - more to be pitied than censured.

SEE

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 05:41 PM

I don't think that Bruce is being dishonest. I am disturbed that whatever depths he thinks that "liberals" sink to, he feels the need to sink to the lowest level (in his opinion) that any "liberal" on this forum reaches and justify that same behavior on his "side."

Two wrongs don't make a right.

If Greg F jumped off a bridge, would that make it OK for Sawzaw to jump off a bridge?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 05:24 PM

If Greg F said that then I would bet the farm that beardedbruce has taken his words out of context...

I have written similar things but in the context of what I have heard people say or the way some folks I know think of Obama...

Taking statements out of context is ***dishonest***...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 05:08 PM

more patriotic

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 04:45 PM

But Liberals don't claim to be more on patriotic.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 04:40 PM

Greg F,

At least I don't call anyone who is Black and a Democrat "a Dumb Ni--er." as you do.



I am one of those who stated that the so-called liberals here should apply the same rules to themselves that they insist on applying to others.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 01:48 PM

I still think I'd rather lobby Obama than Romney. I do wonder what lurks in the hearts of progressives that persuade some that the worse choice is better in the short run.

There are billions of dollars already invested in persuading you to vote for Romney. I suppose one should have some respect for that kind of dedication. But, remember, even under capitalism not every investment gets a positive return.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 01:36 PM

This comment is offensive to those of us who complained about the comments on "Bush" and the use of HIS name here on Mudcat.

And who are "us" - do you pretend to speak for folks other than yourself, or is this an example of the "Royal We" of King Bruce the First?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 01:04 PM

No, it's the other way around. Obama is slowly becoming a Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 12:08 PM

"If you want to define " loyal, patriotic, respectful Americans" you had best be willing to accept the same criticism given those on the conservative side when they were thought to be defining those terms. "

That would mean that you stalwart defenders of the American Constitution and the unexpressed thoughts of the founding fathers are debasing yourself to the level of mealy mouth relative morality espousing liberals. I do declare! What has the country come to?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 10:50 AM

Hillary is worse than Slick Willie...

BTW, why do you SCREAM so much... Do your think that SCREAMING turns lies into truth???

Hmmmmm??? You look like the guy who SCREAMED at my 90 year mom when she and her friends were run outta one of those "town meetings" in Venice, Fl. during the health care debates two summers ago...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 10:45 AM

The other one was me...forgot to sign in. You can delete the other one...or leave it up, it bears repeating....

Bobert: "For the one millionth time, GfinS... Bill Clinton isn't a liberal... He's a Nixon-ite Republican...
, GfinS... Bill Clinton isn't a liberal... He's a Nixon-ite Republican..."

..and Hillary??...Don't kid yourself, Bobs, THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!..for, "For the one millionth time,"....They are owned lock, stock and barrel..even before they are nominated! Obama went a "little astray" from the original intent, and now they are gang banging him from every side....it doesn't matter, though..he sucks, anyway!
either you adhere to the Constitution or change it LEGALLY. He has done neither, as his predecessors. Borders, not rhetoric....freedom of religion, not rhetoric, habeas corpus laws, not rhetoric, a budget, not rhetoric, war powers to defend our country, not rhetoric, anti monopoly laws, not rhetoric, three distinct branches of government, freedom to assemble, not rhetoric, no spying on average American citizens, not rhetoric, due process of law, not rhetoric, not having people's wills and ideologies over run other people's rights, not rhetoric, , and a government where 'WE THE PEOPLE' are the government...not rhetoric!!...which is all you get from 'O-Blabbo', which by the way I was calling him during his primaries, and election..BEFORE there ever was a TEA PARTY!!!....so shove that rap up where I hope you take your head out of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 10:44 AM

Bobert: "For the one millionth time, GfinS... Bill Clinton isn't a liberal... He's a Nixon-ite Republican...
, GfinS... Bill Clinton isn't a liberal... He's a Nixon-ite Republican..."

..and Hillary??...Don't kid yourself, Bobs, THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!..for, "For the one millionth time,"....They are owned lock, stock and barrel..even before they are nominated! Obama went a "little astray" from the original intent, and now they are gang banging him from every side....it doesn't matter, though..he sucks, anyway!
either you adhere to the Constitution or change it LEGALLY. He has done neither, as his predecessors. Borders, not rhetoric....freedom of religion, not rhetoric, habeas corpus laws, not rhetoric, a budget, not rhetoric, war powers to defend our country, not rhetoric, anti monopoly laws, not rhetoric, three distinct branches of government, freedom to assemble, not rhetoric, no spying on average American citizens, not rhetoric, due process of law, not rhetoric, not having people's wills and ideologies over run other people's rights, not rhetoric, , and a government where 'WE THE PEOPLE' are the government...not rhetoric!!...which is all you get from 'O-Blabbo', which by the way I was calling him during his primaries, and election..BEFORE there ever was a TEA PARTY!!!....so shove that rap up where I hope you take your head out of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: John P
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 09:44 AM

It is possible to distance oneself from President Obama while still knowing that voting for Mitt Romney would make the things one doesn't like about Obama a hundred times worse. So . . . distancing myself from Obama while distancing myself a lot more from Romney. It doesn't really change any equations.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 09:08 AM

"that for loyal, patriotic, respectful Americans. It is "President Obama" and the President's name is not to be used as a curse word."




This comment is offensive to those of us who complained about the comments on "Bush" and the use of HIS name here on Mudcat.

If you want to define " loyal, patriotic, respectful Americans" you had best be willing to accept the same criticism given those on the conservative side when they were thought to be defining those terms.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: pdq
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 08:57 AM

The story about Rep. Gene Taylor is a bit old, since that years election saw him defeated by Steven McCarty Palazzo, the Republican candidate. Palazzo is a certified public accountant but served in the Marines during Desert Storm.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 08:32 AM

For the one millionth time, GfinS... Bill Clinton isn't a liberal... He's a Nixon-ite Republican...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 07:37 AM

"Sawx, as usual, is being blinded by the light"

I never said a word about my position Amos. Why are you blindly attacking me?

Attack Carter for being wrong or right and explain why he is wrong or right. Or are you afraid to?

Rep. Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) said he voted for GOP Sen. John McCain for president in 2008, not Barack Obama.

The revelation by Taylor, an 11-term incumbent facing a tough reelection battle, is one of the most extreme examples yet of a Democrat distancing himself from his party's unpopular leaders.

Taylor, who has been taking step after to step to highlight his independence from Obama and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), told a reporter for The Sun Herald of South Mississippi about his secret ballot two years ago.

"I did not vote for Obama. I voted for Sen. McCain," Taylor told reporter Maria Recio, she said in an interview with The Hill. "Better the devil you know."

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 11:37 PM

Bobert: "BTW, NAFTA wasn't on progressives... Liberals weren't for it at the time.."

well, Clinton rammed it through..they took a sneak vote when all the Republicans had already lest for Christmas break....and Clinton was representing himself as a 'liberal' at the time..Hillary is of the same ilk....shills for the same bankers you say you dislike...and the Bushes!..and that's a fact! If Obama runs with Hillary, to get the votes, it would be tantamount to a Obama/Bush ticket. when it comes to the really big stuff, the Clintons have pretty much always gone with the Bushes..both of them...including Mena, for Papa Bush!! These pecker-heads go WAY back, together.
..................................................................

Here's a breaking flash for a Mudcat exclusive!: NOBODY HAS BROUGHT THIS UP, YET...............
With all the scandal about 'Fast and Furious'...and all the 'noble intentions of a slick plan' to catch the cartels using the guns(so they say)....their 'excuse' is just as lame, and illegal!..Didn't anyone inform the AG Holder, that ENTRAPMENT is both illegal and could have gotten everything they got as a result, thrown out of court???...they can't even make up good lies!!!

You heard it first...on Mudcat!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 09:34 PM

"The inauguration of the President of the United States takes place during the commencement of a new term of a President of the United States, which is every four years on January 20. Prior to the Twentieth Amendment, the date was March 4. The day a presidential inauguration occurs is known as "Inauguration Day".

The only inauguration element mandated by the United States Constitution is that the President make an oath or affirmation before that person can "enter on the Execution" of the office of the presidency. However, over the years, various traditions have arisen that have expanded the inauguration from a simple oath-taking ceremony to a day-long event, including parades, speeches, and balls."

I presume the balls spoken of in the last paragraph are those that once belonged to the American people?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 09:33 PM

Hillary...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Elmore
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 09:29 PM

1-20-2017.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 08:02 PM

Free trade doesn't exist... Hasn't in my life time... Maybe for ever... It is a "slogan" that people use to get their way in rigging the system better for them...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 07:56 PM

This liberal ain't for it now. Some is free trade and other stuff is protected. Whatever works for the moneyed class I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 07:44 PM

Or back a little further, Capt'n... Like before the Emancipation Proclamation...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats distance themselves from Obama
From: kendall
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 07:40 PM

The unions have been bleeding members for years. Now, only 1 in 10 workers belongs to a union.
I guess they want to go back to the dark ages when a laborer earned 5 cents an hour.And no benefits.