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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 22 Nov 11 - 09:55 AM All the terrible suffering and injustice in this world, and people fuss about stuff like this... Grow up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: gnu Date: 21 Nov 11 - 04:34 PM If everyone opted for the search would that force the airlines to pressure the governments to stop silly searches? Of course, that might then give rise to certain groups to clain profiling and discrimination... maybe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Jack the Sailor Date: 21 Nov 11 - 03:29 PM From: GUEST,kendall - PM Date: 24 Nov 10 - 02:19 PM The Israelis think we are over reacting. They should know a thing or three about security. ____________________ Yes. using Israel's methods for dealing with minority populations would make the US as secure as they are. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: VirginiaTam Date: 21 Nov 11 - 01:57 PM Think I will go with the getting groped thanks. EU bans body scanners for cancer risk Bit worrying the FDA has back pedaled on the safety of these scanners. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Nov 10 - 10:18 PM Subject: BS: TSA groping your junk..... OH! Promises, Promises!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Genie Date: 24 Nov 10 - 08:39 PM Kendall, I can appreciate Ms. Pearl's perspective. But I say, "Feel me up as much as you need to. Just put on a clean pair of plastic gloves first, and don't leave my purse and laptop out there somewhere on the conveyor belt for someone to grab them while you're groping me." Oh, and I'll add: "Don't kid yourself that this is going to keep anyone who's really determined from blowing up the plane," |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Donuel Date: 24 Nov 10 - 07:32 PM There are no reports of any delays or psychos at US airports today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: GUEST,kendall Date: 24 Nov 10 - 02:19 PM The Israelis think we are over reacting. They should know a thing or three about security. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: GUEST,999 Date: 24 Nov 10 - 01:04 PM Went through the security point at a Canadian airport, domestic flight. I have an artificial hip that always sets off the detector. I say, ``I have an artificial hip.`` A guy comes and pats me down. Last time I said in a loud clear voice:``What gives here. It`s always some GUY patting me down. Why can`t I be patted down by one of the lovely gals behind that counter`` as I pointed to two ladies. They smiled and I looked at the fellow who said, ``Luck of the draw. Trust me.`` I laughed. I think Canucks take it seriously, but they haven`t yet gotten psycho about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: frogprince Date: 24 Nov 10 - 10:47 AM I most certainly remember Minnie. Some of her obits referred to her having done material unsuitable for family viewing. I said, and still say, that at root she was a very classy woman with a healthy, frisky sense of humor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: GUEST,kendall Date: 24 Nov 10 - 07:54 AM Anyone remember Minnie Pearl? She was a comic on the old Hee Haw show and the Grand o'le Opry for years. She said she was walking down a street when a man grabbed her and insisted that she give him her money. When she told him she didn't have any money, he searched her up and down. Finally he said "You don't have any money." She said, "No, but if you do that again, I'll write you a check." Now this is of course an exaggeration, but it's all a matter of attitude. "Nothing is good or bad; thinking makes them so" (Shakespeare) |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: gnu Date: 23 Nov 10 - 09:08 PM Dick... good point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Donuel Date: 23 Nov 10 - 09:01 PM Genie I also thought about the gloves passing bacteria. There are a few STDs that only need moisture to remain viable. Many diseases can be passed from soiled underwear. You could always use plastic underwear and wipe down with hand sanitizer later. Be carefull if it hits a sensitive area it will burn like hell. To get into work by car the security staff always swabs the steering wheel and other parts of the car and trunk. The swab is used on multiple steering wheels passing what was on one steering wheel to the next. During flu season this is not appreciated. wiping down with hand sanitizer is all we can do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Genie Date: 23 Nov 10 - 08:51 PM Nineteen suicide bombers could probably kill hundreds of people and do massive property damage by setting off a coordinated series of bombs at a shopping mall during the holidays. Or other such scenarios. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Genie Date: 23 Nov 10 - 08:48 PM Bobert, I agree that the media may be covering this for the wrong reason (the "story du jour" phenomenon), but I'm glad they are spotlighting it and hope that spotlight will lead to some serious discussion and consideration of the real facts and issues and maybe bring about some changes. I still think most of this is 'window dressing' and theatre designed to do two things: 1) make money for big corporations and 2) keep the public in a state of disproportionate and misplaced fear so that they (we) will eagerly forfeit our basic Constitutional rights. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: dick greenhaus Date: 23 Nov 10 - 06:54 PM Of course, the question remains: If these techniques were to find a bomb, then what? I'm not sure that a suicide bomber in the midst of hundreds of densely-packed folks in an security inspection area is any less of a danger than he would be in a plane. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Bobert Date: 23 Nov 10 - 06:24 PM I like Kendall's idea... Find a way to detonate and hidden explosives and detonate 'um when people are dumb enough to walk thru the detonator... I am concerned, however, about the amount of press time this is getting compared to alot of real serious stuff that is going on... I mean, the press won't leave it alone... B~ |
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Subject: TSA - expensive, intrusive, ineffective screening From: Genie Date: 23 Nov 10 - 06:06 PM Oh, and polls showing that the majority of people in the US approve these measures mean nothing. First, people who don't fly and don't have loved ones who do shouldn't be asked their opinion on this; they're not affected. Even people who fly once in a while and aren't at risk for skin cancer, aren't known to the TSA agents, aren't famous, aren't minors or parents of minors, etc., may find it all too easy to say, "Go ahead. Take a picture of me naked, feel me up in front of a bunch of people, whatever it takes." But if you have a history of skin cancer and you fly a lot, going through the scanners may be against medical advice. If you're a pilot or flight attendant who may be known by many of the TSA agents or if you're a famous person, having your naked body viewed by those people is a bigger deal than it would be for most of us. If you're a minor, should a TSA agent be able to do things to you that would land them on the registered sex offender list and probably bring prison time if they weren't doing it in the name of "the war on terror?" And as long as the TSA isn't doing cavity searches, would-be suicide bombers can still smuggle enough explosive onto the plane to blow it up, even with the use of the scanners and the pat-downs. Then there's the unscreened cargo, etc. I'd be happy to go back to the days when you could just walk through the airport -- or run, like OJ Simpson in the old commercial -- and get on a plane, carrying liquids in your carryon luggage, without having to arrive 1 to 2 hours early, take off your shoes, and be subjected to invasive physical searches. Secure the cockpit doors, put at least one marshall on every high-capacity flight (jobs that can't be outsourced), check passengers' IDs, use some bomb-sniffing dogs, screen cargo, and do some Israel-type questioning of some adult passengers. And then just accept the fact that nobody's really "safe" anywhere and you're at more risk on the highway or in many other places where people contract illness or are injured in accidents or by acts of violence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Genie Date: 23 Nov 10 - 05:32 PM Not only do the virtual strip search machines probably pose a real risk of skin cancer for frequent flyers and really violate the privacy of passengers and the religion of many, but the enhanced "pat downs" pose some other potentially very serious risks if/since the TSA agents do not change gloves after handling the clothes, body, and hair of one passenger and then repeating the process on another. The ACLU is trying to fight back against this health hazard. Many diseases, parasites, etc., can be passed from one person to another by means of the vinyl gloves that the TSA uses to protect THEMSELVES. Fungi, head lice, dandruff, and some infectious diseases can be transmitted this way. No passenger should be forced to choose between exposure to radiation concentrated on the skin (not to mention having an image made of their whole naked body AND FACE) and being touched and prodded by the same gloves that were used on another passenger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: JennieG Date: 23 Nov 10 - 04:38 PM It's very well for some of you to say "if you don't like it then don't fly", but for those of us who have to cross an ocean to visit family that's not always an option. The alternative is a long swim or very long boat ride, now that might not be so bad. But have all these scans, gropes and searches made flying any safer? Can any of you honestly say you feel safer now than you did a few years ago? It has made no difference to how I see flying as a safe way to travel. If we fly to Canada to visit our son again I would rather not go via USA. Unfortunately not doing so would make our trip more expensive (it costs a lot more to fly from Sydney, Oz to Toronto, Canada via Vancouver than via Los Angeles, and now that we are retired we don't have an endless supply of money) so we may have to choose that option. It would be with great reluctance though. America claims that tourist numbers to their shores have dropped off, is it any wonder when visitors are treated with such disdain? No one wants to go where they don't feel welcome. I certainly don't want to visit the USA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Nov 10 - 11:28 AM 'We hate obese passengers and people with personal hygiene issues:' Now 'abused' TSA staff vent their anger at patdown searches By Daily Mail Reporter Last updated at 4:03 PM on 23rd November 2010 Staff complain about abuse while carrying out searches Passengers braced for huge Thanksgiving delays Traveller reveals how he dodged patdown search Furious security staff have hit back at pat down searches in place across America, claiming that they hated dealing with obese travellers and those with personal hygiene problems. There has already been a angry passenger backlash against the measures introduced by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). But after being contacted by a travel blog, 17 staff have also expressed their disgust after the policy was put in place last month. The staff said that they hated having to carry out the body searches, with one claiming that it was worse for him than the passenger. 'It is not comfortable to come to work knowing full well that my hands will be feeling another man's private parts, their butt, their inner thigh,' one told the BoardingArea blog. 'Even worse is having to try and feel inside the flab rolls of obese passengers and we seem to get a lot of obese passengers!' Another said he had a huge problem dealing with a 'large number of passengers... daily that have a problem understanding what personal hygieneFur is.' All the staff said that they had experienced a high level of personal abuse while carrying out the pat-downs. 'Being a TSO means often being verbally abused, you let the comments roll off and check the next person,' one said. 'However, when a woman refuses the scanner then comes to me and tells me that she feels like I am molesting her, that is beyond verbal abuse. 'I asked the woman if she thought I like touching other women all day and she told me that I probably did or I wouldn't be with the TSA. 'I just want to tell these people that I feel disgusted feeling other peoples private parts, but I cannot because I am a professional.' Angry passengers have subjected TSA officers to verbal abuse and even physical threats. The American Federation of Government Employee, the union which represents officers, said a TSO was punched by a passenger in Indianapolis. Union President John Gage called for more information on the searches including leaflets for passengers. He said: 'TSA must act now — before the Thanksgiving rush — to ensure that TSOs are not being left to fend for themselves.' Huge queues: Passengers move in line for the checks at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport in Atlanta Meanwhile, one patient traveller has proved it is possible to bypass the high-level security measures in place at all airports, but only if you have time on your hands. Blogger Matt Kernan recorded his epic experience as he returned to North Kentucky International Airport in Cincinnati from Paris on Sunday. Exasperated at being told to prepare for a body scan and with time on his hands, the determined businessman decided to make a stand - with remarkable results. Writing on his website noblasters.com, he said: 'I certainly don't enjoy being treated like a terrorist in my own country, but I'm also not a die-hard constitutional rights advocate. 'However, for some reason, I was irked.' 'Maybe it was the video of the three-year old getting molested, maybe it was the sexual assault victim having to cry her way through getting groped, maybe it was the father watching teenage TSA officers joke about his attractive daughter. 'Whatever it was, this issue didn't sit right with me. We shouldn't be required to do this simply to get into our own country.' As a result, Mr Kernan informed staff he did not want to go through the infamous Backscatter imaging machine. He was told he would have to undergo an invasive pat-down search, but again politely told staff that he would consider any contact with his genital areas as assault. After being told that the two options were TSA policy, he replied: ' I disagree with the policy, and I think that it is unconstitutional. No exemptions: Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa goes through an Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) full-body scanner at the city's airport 'As a US citizen, I have the right to move freely within my country as long as I can demonstrate proof of citizenship and have demonstrated no reasonable cause to be detained.' As the situation escalated further airport police were called and more senior TSA officials but Mr Kernan refused to back down, remaining calm throughout. Eventually causing a stand-off between police and TSA officers over who should resolve the situation, Mr Kernan was told by a superviser: 'Here's what we're going to do. I'm going to escort you out of the terminal to the public area. 'You are to stay with me at all times. Do you understand?' He was then escorted by the police and no less than 13 TSA officer through security without a hand laid on him. He said: 'And then came the most ridiculous scene of which I've ever been a part. 'I gather my things – jacket, scarf, hat, briefcase, chocolates. 'We walk over to the staff entrance and he scans his badge to let me through. We walk down the long hallway that led back to the baggage claim area. We skip the escalators and moving walkways.' He was then waved away by annoyed officers and said: 'In order to enter the US, I was never touched, I was never "Backscatted," and I was never metal detected. 'In the end, it took 2.5 hours, but I proved that it is possible. I'm looking forward to my next flight on Wednesday.' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332307/Now-abused-TSA-staff-vent-anger-security-patdown-searches.html#ixzz167iz5xC4 |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: mousethief Date: 23 Nov 10 - 12:58 AM One word: prosthetic genitals. They already make "camel toes" falsies for women (google camel toe cup if you dare), and you can get balls for your pickup truck, so why not for your jockstrap? If we all pack heat in our drawers it'll throw 'em off! |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Donuel Date: 22 Nov 10 - 08:30 PM John Boehner is now exempt from scanning and probing. Kids younger than 12 are now exempt. Pilots are now exempt. Cancer survivors are not so lucky. Articial bladders are being probed spilled and scrutinized at gun point as if an underwear bomber was finally found. A man with sperm duct aneurisms was squeezed to the point of getting an internal rupture even after the passenger warned security. "They seemed to become more aggresive after I warned them of my condition" said the hapless passenger. None of this is well thought out in our attempt to catch the next underwear bomber. Two and a half Billion dollars was paid for the scanners. The pat down policy is to encourage universal use of the new X ray machines. In an Orwellian attempt to call the X ray machines anything but X ray seems to have been a success. No one here other myself have called these machines by the radiation they emit. Brits can say "mustnt grumble" but red blooded Americans are bred with the ideal of liberation and have proudly grumbled for 300 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: kendall Date: 21 Nov 10 - 03:06 PM As the Brits would say, "Mustn't grumble." |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Mrrzy Date: 21 Nov 10 - 02:42 PM Those poor people. Those who have to do it, and those who have to have it done. Can't imagine it's any fun at all 99.99% of the time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: frogprince Date: 21 Nov 10 - 01:06 PM Bobert, you're reminding me of years ago when I went in for a little "ectomy" snipping. I was told in advance that I would get shaved, but assured that it would be done by a male. I was seriously tempted to ask if that was really supposed to make me feel better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Bobert Date: 21 Nov 10 - 08:00 AM Well, seein' as folks didn't like my "fly nude" idea I've come up with another idea: Get better lookin' TSAers... I mean, if yer5 gonna get groped then having someone of the opposite sex that looks good would probably be good fir the industry... Heck, might increase business... Of course you'd need some attractive gay-gropers, too... I mean, everyone would be happy, right??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: kendall Date: 21 Nov 10 - 07:27 AM I said I don't have to fly. The only thing I have to do is die. In everything else, I have a choice. If I want to fly I will go through their damned scanner and I won't be in the least paranoid about it. I don't have anything that every man on earth doesn't have. BFD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: VirginiaTam Date: 21 Nov 10 - 07:05 AM Already a song about it Pat Me Down I love this guy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: olddude Date: 20 Nov 10 - 11:22 AM My friend Louie is absolutely correct I think |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Donuel Date: 20 Nov 10 - 11:18 AM Officials are frankly shocked that the normally cowering cowardly sheeple would even dare to object. THe current rethink of the new TSA policies will now reverse its decision regarding pilots. Pilots may now opt out of the scanners and probes without losing their jobs. Gretchen on FOX friends said that her pat down did not include her entire crotch area. Her voice however actually seemed to voice a bit of disappointment. As for the poor unfortunate souls who are either over 6 years old, have a prosthetic or relies on an adult diaper, there will be hummiliations that will continue to be dismissed as being unavoidable. I think the public is PISSED. In fact if that is what people did on the scanners and on the people grabbing their genitals, I think it would be entirely appropriate. A whole new protest would be added to the vernacular. A Piss IN. or a piss on, depending upon your POV |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Louie Roy Date: 20 Nov 10 - 11:00 AM Far fetched but possible What would security do if some person came with a trench coat on and took it off and spread there legs put their arms above their head and said I want to make this easy for you and they were completely naked would they arrest them for indecent exposure or would they throw them in jail for making fun of the government |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: VirginiaTam Date: 20 Nov 10 - 09:48 AM Cancer survivor flight attendant who submitted to the spatter scan one her way to work, was forced to submit to physical search and more humiliating treatment. her story here |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 20 Nov 10 - 04:22 AM TSA Bans Ink & Toner Cartridges From Flights. Next On The Ban List: People. Lone TSA Twitter Account Fights Entire Internet Sigh ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: GUEST,Seth from Olympia Date: 20 Nov 10 - 03:06 AM I remember flying before 9-11 and thinking about the minimum wage contracted employess who were responsible for airline security and how easy it would be to compromise that system-so in that sense I'm glad that the current TSA staffers have some training and that somebody ( I hope) is doing a good security check on them before they are on the line (though, as line workers everywhere, I'm sure they are at the bottom of the organization for pay and benefits) Anyway, all this makes me appreciate bus travel-cheap, boring,uncomfortable at best, no security at all from my experience- somebody once said if you don't think there is a class system in this country, drop by your local airport and then your local bus station-anyway nobody cares what happens to bus riders, so terrorists, TSA and everyone else pretty much let you be and if one of your fellow passengers decides to cut off your head and eat it on your trans-Canada ride, that's just life on the road... |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: mousethief Date: 20 Nov 10 - 01:11 AM TSA Agent: Um, yes, ma'am, I guess it was good for me, too. No, ma'am, you can't have a cigarette. The smoking area is outside the secured area and it will cost you $10,000 to go back. Okay, ma'am, I'll do it again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Donuel Date: 19 Nov 10 - 06:41 PM The implanted artificial testicles bomber Why didn't we see this coming sooner? Since they feel like the real thing, were gonna hafta X ray the shit out of anyone with suspicious testicles including people like Hillary, Coulter, Ingram, Albright, Reno... |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: mousethief Date: 19 Nov 10 - 03:18 PM Good one, Donuel :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: olddude Date: 19 Nov 10 - 03:08 PM What about the college guy that lights a fart? |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Donuel Date: 19 Nov 10 - 03:02 PM edit Explosives that can be spun into micro fibers have been found to resemble human hair. If these microfibers are easily afixed to skin or scalp with a high tech adhesive, this new security threat presents a clear and present danger to the flying public and flight crews. This is causing a stir among... |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Donuel Date: 19 Nov 10 - 02:52 PM Explosives that are spun into micro fibers that resemple human hair that can be easily afixed to skin or scalp are causing a stir among TSA officials. Some believe TSA must be proactive and enforce Security precaution 42A now, while others feel that an attempted use of such weapons should be demonstrated to be an actual threat first. Security precaution 42A will require the shaving of all facial cranial, armpit and pubic hair prior to taking the flight and may incur an additional $50 fee for highly trained TSA experts to shave passengers at the terminal. The TSA Czar assures the public that all procedures will be done by same sex TSA employees who have undergone an extensive 4 hour seminar on shaving techiniques and waxing. He does caution however that buying a ticket will abbrogate certain rights including having to accept the use of used razors and incidental cuts, infections and/or discomfort. Should anything surprise you anymore? |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: olddude Date: 19 Nov 10 - 02:47 PM There is truth in what you say mouse As for getting rid of the bad eggs -- the problem isn't people not doing their jobs, or not doing them right. The problem is the job they are being asked to do. We (who are speaking up about this) deny it's necessary and affirm that it is unconstitutional. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: mousethief Date: 19 Nov 10 - 02:35 PM BEck has all the signs of a schizophrenic thinking. Do do that he'd have to have signs of thinking. As for getting rid of the bad eggs -- the problem isn't people not doing their jobs, or not doing them right. The problem is the job they are being asked to do. We (who are speaking up about this) deny it's necessary and affirm that it is unconstitutional. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: olddude Date: 19 Nov 10 - 12:51 PM TSA to investigate body scan resister Oceanside man took a stand against security, went viral By Robert J. Hawkins Monday, November 15, 2010 at 7:59 p.m. The Transportation Security Administration has opened an investigation targeting John Tyner, the Oceanside man who left Lindbergh Field under duress on Saturday morning after refusing to undertake a full body scan. Tyner recorded the half-hour long encounter on his cell phone and later posted it to his personal blog, along with an extensive account of the incident. The blog went viral, attracting hundreds of thousands of readers and thousands of comments. Michael J. Aguilar, chief of the TSA office in San Diego, called a news conference at the airport Monday afternoon to announce the probe. He said the investigation could lead to prosecution and civil penalties of up to $11,000. TSA agents had told Tyner on Saturday that he could be fined up to $10,000. "That's the old fine," Aguilar said. "It has been increased." Tyner's stand tapped into an undercurrent of resentment toward the TSA and how security checks are conducted at the nation's airports. Those commenting about Tyner's experience at SignOnSanDiego.com told their own stories of personal humiliations and invasive body searches. TSA chief John Pistole was grilled about Tyner's case Monday on CNN. "The bottom line is, if somebody doesn't go through proper security screening, they're not going to go on the flight," Pistole said. Other news websites, from gri.pe to Yahoo! News to Drudge Report, have consumed Tyner's tale and recirculated it to millions of readers. On Monday, Tyner spent the entire day fielding interviews from television, radio and news agencies. Tyner, 31, was on his way to South Dakota on Saturday to go pheasant hunting. He was chosen for a full-body scan and opted out because he thought it was invasive. He was then informed that he would be subjected to a body search. He told the TSA agent, ""You touch my junk and I'm going to have you arrested." Tyner likened the proposed search procedure to a "sexual assault." When he tried to assert his rights, Tyner was told by a TSA supervisor on tape, "By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights." Aguilar says that Tyner was facing nothing more than the traditional pat-down that TSA has used for some time, and not a more aggressive body search in effect since late October. In the end, security escorted Tyner out of the airport, after American Airlines refunded his ticket. According to Aguilar, Tyner is under investigation for leaving the security area without permission. That's prohibited, among other reasons, to prevent potential terrorists from entering security, gaining information, and leaving. Since Saturday, Tyner's story has added fuel to the Opt Out Day movement which is calling on air travelers to choose not to undergo the full-body scans on Nov. 24, the day before Thanksgiving and traditionally one of the year's top travel days. Since the rollout of the imaging scanners there has been controversy over the quality of the images, which show limited details of a person's entire body, and the possible saving of the images – something TSA has denied is possible. The level of exposure to radiation has also been an issue for many. Aguilar cautioned against the scanner boycott. He said he is aware of a backlash. "Let me paraphrase our new administrator, John Pistole," said Aguilar. "It really is irresponsible to encourage anyone to opt out of a technology that is there in place specifically to protect the public." In late October, TSA added another layer of security, the resolution pat-down, which requires TSA agents to grasp the body of the subject more firmly when running hands over limbs and also requires probing up to the genital areas of the body. Aguilar said that once a passenger enters the security area, there is a legal obligation to follow through with the process. While a passenger can, like Tyner, ask to opt-out of the full body scan, they must walk through the traditional metal scanner and then, at the discretion of the TSA, undergo a pat-down search. Aguilar said the aggressive body search is not designed as an inducement for passengers to opt into the full body scan. Aguilar said that since the resolution pat-downs began, there have been only four in San Diego. And even though there are 10 full-body scanners stationed throughout San Diego's airport, it is rare to see more than one in operation in a security area. The TSA staff does not yet have enough trained people to operate them, Aguilar said. Only about 4 percent of San Diego's passengers undergo the full body scan at this point, Aguilar said. Find this article at: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/15/tsa-probe-scan-resistor SAVE THIS | EMAIL THIS | Close Check the box to include the list of links referenced in the article. © Copyright 2007 Union-Tribune Publishing Co. • A Copley Newspaper Site |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Donuel Date: 19 Nov 10 - 03:20 AM Mixed feelings about scanners At first I thought conservative weirdos like Laura Ingals and Glen Beck felt the way I do about the scanners and gropings but then Glen said "The real reason that the scanners and hand searchs of private parts is so protests will become so vocal that it will cause Obama to suspend the pat downs and then we get attacked by terrorists so Obama will turn around and say "if it weren't for the protesters, people would not have died. You must stop your protests. BEck has all the signs of a schizophrenic thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: olddude Date: 18 Nov 10 - 06:44 PM and agents that don't do their job right, saying it is because they are minorities and we are bigots does great injustice to both minority people,homeland security, and the traveling taxpayer. That is complete shit. It has nothing to do with race, people do their jobs, others do not do their jobs. Lets get rid of the bad people and keep and hire the good people. I think a 5% failure rate on hiring is too high to have IMO. I would not accept it in my company or expect it in any government agency under that reasoning. The guys that were acting up with the young girl by the way were not minority people FYI |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: olddude Date: 18 Nov 10 - 06:31 PM I average 2.5 weeks between flights for the last 5 years or so. Here would be my breakdown. 5% exceptional with the public 90% doing there job, not nice nor mean just doing their job 5% terrible should not be hired to do anything close to work involving the public. That is my real time research. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: olddude Date: 18 Nov 10 - 06:17 PM Joe I have had several TSA that were quite nice. One of them in a small airport actually went next door bought me a coke and sent it through the scanner so I didn't have to leave the secure area (my flight was delayed and I wanted a coke) so I handed him the money. Others were very helpful and kind ... one flavor doesn't fit all for sure. But the ones that were bad I can truthfully tell you were very bad and I won't forget it. I am not labeling all, that is wrong but we need to weed out those that are bad otherwise we end up like the young girl situation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: JennieG Date: 18 Nov 10 - 05:21 PM Joe, I don't know about there being exceptions for medical circumstances. Last year we visited our son in Canada, and had to change planes at LAX coming and going. While in Canada I suffered (and how!) a fall, broke my left arm and sprained my right wrist. My broken arm was put in a slab cast which is rigid plaster along the top and bottom length of my arm but not at the sides, the whole thing wrapped in firm bandages. When going through security at LAX coming home, I was asked to remover the bandages and cast - "I can't, it's broken", I replied. I had doctors' reports with me and was prepared to take it further if necessary, but my reply was accepted. However I had to remove and replace my jacket although it had no metal fastenings, and of course my shoes (slip-ons, not laced), with no help - not easy without a functioning wrist! The drug detecting tape was rubbed along the edges of my plaster cast and I chose to be patted down rather than go through the body scanner, because I had x-rays when I broke my arm and faced the prospect of more as it healed so I didn't want any unnecessary radiation. The treatment I received was firm, not rude but not particularly friendly either. Cheers JennieG |
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Subject: RE: BS: TSA groping your junk From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Nov 10 - 04:13 PM I'm a retired federal investigator. I did security clearance investigations - so, for the most part, I was investigating nice people who knew they were being investigated. As is usually the case in government investigations, we did our best to protect the privacy of the people were investigating, and we tried hard not to violate their legal and constitutional rights. For 25 years, I did my work in workplaces all over California, and in many places in the U.S. I had a good chance to observe work conditions and work ethics in a wide variety of workplaces. There's no rule that governs it all - some workplaces are crappy, some are in the middle, and some are excellent. I saw some federal workplaces where the attitude of employees was horrible, and some where federal employees did work of amazing quality with a wonderful attitude. I take it personally when Tea Party people and others make broad statements about the incompetence and poor attitude of federal employees. In general, I've found that federal employees are a pretty good lot, and most work pretty hard to serve the public. I worked hard to serve the public for 25 years, and I took great pride in the quality of my work. I was The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is a new federal agency established under the Bush administration, to replace companies that had done security inspection on contract. The Bush administration said that the job could be done better by federal employees with stable employment and benefits and a living wage, than it could be done by contract employees paid the minimum age. This turnabout gave me wicked pleasure. And I think the Bush Administration was right in this instance - in general, TSA has done a pretty good job on a near-impossible task. For the most part, the TSA inspectors have a good attitude, and they treat the public with respect and often a nice touch of humor. I fly a lot, which means I go through the TSA checkpoints quite often. My worst experience with airport security was in May, 2002, when I was flying home with my daughter after she was released from the hospital after a terrible accident. She was in a wheelchair, and she had a metal supporting brace screwed into her forearm, and all sorts of metal reinforcement hardware within her shattered body. On top of that, she was in a lot of pain - but because of all her metal hardware, she had to have a very thorough scan. Seems to me there should have been exceptions for medical situations. Maybe there are now - this was right after 9/11, and TSA was a brand-new agency that had been operating for only weeks. But ever since, my experience with TSA has been quite good. The lines move quickly, and the inspectors are friendly and respectful. Some are downright entertaining, and seem to go out of their way to make the TSA line a pleasant experience. I'm sure the conspiracy theorists and Tea Party ideologues can bring up all sorts of anecdotal information to "prove" how horrible and invasive the TSA inspectors are. I'm sure many of those anecdotes are true - but such incidents are rare. For the most part, it seems to me that TSA does a pretty good job. Many of the TSA inspectors are minorities or come from poor economic backgrounds. I wonder if there isn't a bit of bigotry and elitism on the part of those who are so critical of TSA inspectors. -Joe- |
