BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 01:17 PM

Bobert: "Are you willing to admit that this trial is a sham if the stuff found on Martin's phone has nothing to do with the case..."

Huh??....That's like asking me if it would be a sham, if he was watching cartoons on his T.V earlier in the day...Who knows what's on his phone..AND , more so, a phone narrative, is not conclusive that the narrative isn't colored, to fit the persons having it....so I guess the answer to your question is 'Maybe, Maybe not.'

Bobert: "You, and others, seem is fine to parade your fishing expedition out there that somehow because Martin did this or that in the past justified Zimmerman,...."

I have said nothing of the sort..you just interjected that. You're starting to use Firth's tactic, of making up stuff that nobody said, and then arguing it, as if it was said!


Bobert: " who BTW didn't know Martin or if he even owned a cell phone, in murdering Martin..."

Or a gun, for that matter..

You really gotta relax a second...take it easy...take a big breath. You're getting so wound up in this that your starting to show signs of mental and emotional fatigue.

Like i said before, NOBODY knows for sure what happened..let it play out...and BTW, the prosecution is fucking up his own case, more than Zimmerman's own defense.

Regardless, I have my hunches, that usually bear out...but CALM really is the best place to stay!

...I mean, I think it would be silly to get so worked up about it, that I'd take to the streets, waving a piano over my head, huh?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:54 PM

And Bobert knows what he is saying- after all, he was there, right??????




NOT.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:46 PM

Not quite, Ol'ster...

One guy stalks another guy with a gun... The stalked party gets murdered in the course of defending himself...

Why is the stalker getting a pass??? He instigated the confrontation...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:46 PM

people forget that OJ was a Buffalo Bill. He would come to buffalo to sign autographs and people lined the streets. After the trial he couldn't give away the damn things. The lawsuit took away his home and cash. His life ruined even though he was found not guilty. Then he commits another crime and ends up in jail for 30 years. Nobody is going to win on this one either way

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:40 PM

here is the reader digest condensed version ... two guys got into a confrontation. Both guys too macho to run away .. had to show off their testosterone. One is dead the other's life is ruined forever no matter how it shakes out

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM

That's right, Beardy, its always someone else's fault, never yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM

the fuckin horse your beating is dead folks ... no one is going to budge on their opinions so why fight.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:40 AM

Mudcat Linkmaker:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/george-zimmerman-trial-race-is-a-subtext-not-the-focus/2013/07/02/a296611e-e262-11e2-a11e

Entered link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/george-zimmerman-trial-race-is-a-subtext-not-the-focus/2013/07/02/a296611e-e262-11e2-a11e-c2ea876a8f30_story_1.html




So the Link maker truncates, and "Liberal Voice " claims a victory....

I guess Liberals need to claim whatever victories they can, since they can't supply facts to support their viewpoint.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:35 AM

Washington Post says "page not found", Beardy (big surprise. b

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:29 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/george-zimmerman-trial-race-is-a-subtext-not-the-focus/2013/07/02/a296611e-e262-11e2-a11e

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:27 AM

Okay, GfinS...

Are you willing to admit that this trial is a sham if the stuff found on Martin's phone has nothing to do with the case... You, and others, seem is fine to parade your fishing expedition out there that somehow because Martin did this or that in the past justified Zimmerman, who BTW didn't know Martin or if he even owned a cell phone, in murdering Martin...

That's the issue here... The defense and the judge seem to have no problem allowing Martin's past to be used to paint Martin as someone that needed to be murdered... For what??? Smoking pot and talking smack??? If that was a capital offense in America then about 300,000,000 Americans deserve to be murdered...

More insanity from the King of Insanity...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:24 AM

Bobert:
"
This case isn't an "Okay, I meet you on the street" case, bruce... This is a case where the victim was stalked and confronted... That is a major difference...

The facts of the case as we know them are that Zimmerman got out of his vehicle with a gun and confronted the victim... That isn't at all the scenario that you have just presented... Your scenario has nothing to do with the realities of this case...
"


Trial:

""Jurors today heard George Zimmerman's account in his own words of his fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin as prosecutors played a dramatic audio tape of Zimmerman being questioned by police shortly after the shooting.

Zimmerman is heard telling a police officer how he saw Martin walking through his Sanford, Fla. neighborhood on a dark, rainy Feb. 2012 night. As a neighborhood watchman he tried to follow him in his car because there had been a series of break-ins in the gated community.

Zimmerman said he lost sight of Martin, got out of his car to call police and was walking back to his vehicle when the 17-year-old attacked him.

"He jumped out of the bushes and he said 'What the f..k is your problem, homie?'" Zimmerman said on the tape.

"And I got my cell phone out to call 911 this time, and I said 'I don't have a problem.' And he goes, 'No, now you have a problem,' and he punched me in the nose."

In court, jurors listened closely to the tape, while Zimmerman showed no emotion and Martin's father closed his eyes from time to time.

Zimmerman told police he fell down to the ground after being punched repeatedly. "I tried to defend myself. He just started punching me in the face, and I started screaming for help. I couldn't see. I couldn't breathe."

"He puts his hand on my nose and mouth, and he says 'You are going to die tonight.'

He said "the suspect" was "mounted on top of me" and began to bang his head onto the ground.

"As he banged my head again, I just pulled out my firearm and shot him," Zimmerman said."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:21 AM

"You know which one was "the victim" already?
How?"

Are you joking?

In my experience, in a murder trial, the victim is is generally the dead one.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: pdq
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:05 AM

"A witness in the George Zimmerman trial described his wounds as...'non–life threatening.' " ~ Valarie Rao

"Zimmerman, who faces a second-degree murder charge for shooting the unarmed teenager, said Martin repeatedly slammed his head against the ground. Rao told the jury she believed that happened maybe once."


Note how ABC "news" accentuates the "unarmed teenager" point for their purposes when it is not needed to convey the facts.

More important, both statements by Dr. Roa are opinions and should not be allowed to stand, just as the cop's opinion that "Zimmerman is telling the truth" was struck from the record by the judge.

Heck, if Zimmerman had already received "life-threatening injuries", he would not have been able to defend himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 11:04 AM

You're right. Beardy. It is obviosly the iced tea that the entire case hinges upon.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:59 AM

Richard Bridge: "I should also point out that if a man with a gun is following you, you are really quite likely reasonably to apprehend an intended assault, and are therefore entitled to use reasonable force in self defence.   So "Martin assaulted Zimmerman" is by no means a foregone conclusion."

Speaking of 'foregone conclusions' you seem to think that Martin KNEW that Zimmerman had a gun....would you, as an unarmed person, attack someone WITH a gun???
Your supposition, seems to have a bit of bias there, Ol' Chap!

Nobody KNOWS, not you, not Bobert, not any of us...so, as per aforementioned, 'Chill out!'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:54 AM

Anyway, Bobert has stated that he does not want a "fair" trial, he wants Zimmerman convicted. He already knows what happened, and has decided guilt.

"
From: Bobert - PM
Date: 18 Jun 13 - 12:52 PM

...
2. We agree but if Martin (the victim) gets a fair trial, Zimmerman has to be convicted of, at the very least, wrongful death...
"

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:54 AM

No, Keith, I don't think "evidence" should be withheld... What I am saying is that whatever was on Martin's phone - unless it implicated that he knew Zimmerman and/or planned on hurting Zimmerman - is not evidence...

Richard Bridge, who is also an attorney, says it isn't evidence...

Seems the only folks who think it is evidence are the same people who didn't think Zimmerman should have been charged in the first place and that was long before anyone knew about Martin's cell phone...

Hmmmmm??? Seems that these folks have major prejudicial leanings about what really happened... Reminds me of the stuff that used to go on here in the South...

But again, Keith... Why is anything that Martin did prior to being murdered relevant to the case???

Please use facts and not irrational arguments that have been made here before that are not facts but obvious and ***admittedly*** fictional scenarios...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:37 AM

Bobert has already decided that the only "fair" trial is one where Zimmerman gets the maximum sentence, regardless of any evidence.

Since Bobert knows all, anything less would obviously be proof of "racial" prejudice.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:30 AM


Your argument that stuff in Martin's life prior to being murdered is fair game is not only wrong but down right disrespectful to the victim...

By "fair game" do you mean admissible as evidence.
It is usual for the judge to decide.

You know which one was "the victim" already?
How?

If the trial is conducted fairly then, yeah, that's the way it is supposed to work, however, we have already seen enough misconduct by both the judge and the defense team to see that is not the case here..

You think evidence should be withheld because you think the trial may not be fair?
That would make the trial unfair if it wasn't already!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:23 AM

Brother should be brotherhood :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:20 AM

Ok, ready to fry George again!

Don, huh?

End of big night of drinking. Nonsensical bordering on incoherent. BWI. Ought to be a law against it. They need to invent a smart phone with a built in alcohol sensor that will cut you off from posting just as soon as your ability to reason slips away until morning. If I have ever posted anything that didn't make sense or emailed songs about brother, it's generally that. I know it seems like some sort of psychotic break but it's not.

So I'm pretty sure I was making fun of people (of which I have known several growing up in the drug culture of the seventies and eighties) who drink and snort coke or crystal so they can stay up all night and half the next day getting drunker and more strung out instead of going to sleep. I'm pretty sure I was announcing my superiority over such foolish individuals. Except a.) It was completely off topic and b.) completely devoid of any decipherable context.

I'm going to have to tell my drinking partners to start hiding my phone after 12. There's no other way.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 10:17 AM

"A witness in the George Zimmerman trial described his wounds as "insignificant" and "non–life threatening." Dr. Valerie Rao, a medical examiner, made the determination after reviewing video and photographs of Zimmerman after his deadly confrontation with Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman, who faces a second-degree murder charge for shooting the unarmed teenager, said Martin repeatedly slammed his head against the ground. Rao told the jury she believed that happened maybe once. Zimmerman claims he shot Martin in self-defense."

Read it at ABC News
July 2, 2013 6:04 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: pdq
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:58 AM

...here is a photo of the back of Zimmerman's head the night of the shooting:


http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_ssh.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:49 AM

Keith A in Hertford,

Your argument that stuff in Martin's life prior to being murdered is fair game is not only wrong but down right disrespectful to the victim...

There is a reason why past sexual activities by rape victims is not admissible in court... The logic is that it does not justify the rape... The exception, of course, is spousal rape... But the fact that a woman has had _____ sex partners in her life does not give an unknown rapist an excuse for his behavior... It is not relevant...

As for leaving it to the judge and jury to decide??? If the trial is conducted fairly then, yeah, that's the way it is supposed to work, however, we have already seen enough misconduct by both the judge and the defense team to see that is not the case here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:19 AM

Greggie,

The only shit being posted is you.



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-anchor-concerned-about-zimmerman-trial's-firestorm-potential-proceeds-to-politicize-it/

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:18 AM

SANFORD, Fla. -
For days last summer, various news outlets analyzed the voice of George Zimmerman during his Feb. 26, 2012 call to Sanford police, and reached a conclusion that was inflammatory, shocking and false.

Asked by HLN anchor Nancy Grace what he heard on the tape, one of the lawyers representing the family of Trayvon Martin said without equivocation: "He said coon."

No, in fact, both sides of the divisive case now agree: He said, "punks."

Local 6 tracked the earliest mention of the epitaph to an amateur blogger who, like many, was outraged that Zimmerman had not been charged in connection with his shooting of the unarmed 17-year-old.

A local TV station in Orlando aired a report that parroted the blog entry and, from there, the misinformation was off and running to national cable networks.

It was one of many pieces of misinformation that have filtered into the public consciousness since Zimmerman shot Martin and claimed he acted in self defense.

As 500 potential jurors prepare to begin showing up here next week, Local 6 reviewed a few other myths or misstatements:

Trayvon Martin was not a heavily tattooed, bearded man, contrary to a well-traveled email claiming the media was hiding that image of Martin. The man pictured in the email is a 33-year-old rapper known as Game.

Nor was Martin a 6-foot-2-inches, 175-pound bundle of muscled mass, as the email claimed. He was 5-foot 11-inches, 158 pounds, according to his autopsy. (Zimmerman was listed at 5-foot-7, 204 pounds in a medical record created the day after the shooting; a jail record states he was down to 185 pounds when he was finally arrested in April 2012.)

Another falsehood wasn't promulgated by anonymous e-mailers or reckless bloggers, rather, it was broadcast in open court last week by Zimmerman's defense attorney, Mark O'Mara.

O'Mara stated he had recovered video from Martin's cell phone showing Martin taped two of his "buddies" beating up a homeless man. In fact, it was video of two homeless man fighting over a bicycle, O'Mara acknowledged days later. He apologized for the misstatement.

Finally, the most trivial of the myths, but one so prevalent it should be corrected: There was no iced tea.

The Skittles and iced tea narrative, along with the hoodie Martin was wearing, has become iconic in the aftermath of the shooting.

But evidence photos released last week show it was actually an Arizona brand fruit drink Martin carried with him when he died.

Again, a trivial matter, but, for those truly interested in facts, one that needs to be corrected.



http://www.clickorlando.com/news/myths-misstatements-surround-trayvon-martins-death/-/1637132/20441210/-/9jlkj1z/-/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:16 AM

Source of latest blogoshit, Beardy? Or did you make it up yourself?

Also, you never supplied the source or the relevence of the previous blogoshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:02 AM

In a segment discussing the start of the trial of George Zimmerman for the 2012 murder of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, MSNBC anchor Tamron Hall noted that many are concerned that the trial has the potential to exacerbate racial tensions in the United States. Hall and her guests fretted about the "firestorm" that the Martin trial could set off. After making this appropriate and responsible observation, Hall politicized the trial noting that President Barack Obama appears to be on the side of the prosecution while conservatives and Fox News Channel are seemingly supportive of the Defense.

"The emotions involved in this are tremendous," Hall observed in a question to The Washington Post columnist Jonathan Capehart. "You've written about it. You've even been, if you will, attacked by the attorneys representing George Zimmerman."

"You have people who have that pit in their stomach. The worry that the outcome of this trial could set off a firestorm, quite honestly," she continued. "And folks are worried about that, honestly."

Capehart said that the Martin family, which has called for calm and asked for the public to abide by the decision ultimately reached by a Florida jury, is concerned about unrest.

"Even though the national outrage has died down, the sort of red hot passions that this case has embroiled, for lack of a better word, are still there," Capehart noted. "The level of vitriol and also passion that attends to this case is very, very real."

Capehart said that the calls for calm from all the parties involved were helpful to quell the racial tension that the Zimmerman case naturally evokes. After that bit of responsible reporting, Hall proceeded to politicize the Martin case by observing that Republicans support an accused murderer while Obama would have loved Trayvon like a son. Fortunately, she was only observing how "others" have inflamed the nation with their coverage of the case.

"You have others, I mean, who have tried to turn this into a political story, Jonathan," Hall noted. "We know that the president gave his heartfelt words that, if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon, but we also know that George Zimmerman went on Fox News a lot because he felt that he had a sympathetic ear from conservatives."

In March of last year, MSNBC brass defended the actions of their anchor, Rev. Al Sharpton, who traveled to Florida in the wake of Trayvon Martin's death in February, to hold political rallies with the stated aim of forcing local police to charge and arrest Zimmerman. "We didn't hire Al to become a neutered kind of news presenter," said MSNBC president Phil Griffin.

MSNBC prime time anchor Lawrence O'Donnell spent one memorable segment last year angrily interrogating an empty chair after his scheduled guest, Zimmerman's attorney, cancelled last minute. "He literally ran away," O'Donnell said, "he is in our car right now taking him away from the studio."

Zimmerman is suing NBC/Universal, a fact that every MSNBC anchor has been forced to disclose amid their hourly coverage of the trial, after the network aired a misleading edit of his 911 call which made it appear as though he told the operator that Trayvon Martin was black unsolicited. In fact, he was asked to describe Martin's appearance.

When Hall says that "others" have politicized this case, one would have to assume that she is not only referring to Fox News and the President of the United States. Hopefully, she is also talking thinking her fellow MSNBC colleagues.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:55 AM

Oh, that's right- you apply rules to other that you don't bother to follow yourself.

Typical Liberal, from the support you get here.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:53 AM

Greggie,

And your attacks contribute what to this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:51 AM

Bobert,

"He loves to invent things he wishes you had said, claims you said them and then calls you a bunch of filthy names for having said them"

Care to give some example, or should I just call you a lying bastard whose "buddy" has stated that "Black, and a Democrat" is the same in his mind as "a dumb Ni**er"?

His posts are still there ( at last check)- and I have offline copies of the thread in case his mud elf enabler cleans up in an attempt to cover up.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:45 AM

And this latest blogoshit relates to the Zimmerman case how, exactly, Beardy?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:37 AM

"It's been a great week for gay activists, but Dr. Cornel West is not happy. As the postmodern professor par excellence explained to radio host Tavis Smiley last Sunday, the advances made by gays and lesbians mean that "we black folk are just being pushed to the back of the bus":

Again this has something to do of course with what history books will say. The irony of the age of Obama in which black folks found themselves pushed to the back, [and] our gay brothers and lesbian sisters more and more pushed to the center.

Perhaps West is right, and identity politics really is a zero-sum game. Then again, the good doctor may simply be suffering from a touch of radical conditionedness.
"

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 08:32 AM

Because Bobert has already convicted Zimmerman, based on biased press reports, before the trial even began.

Bobert claims to have such solid Southern roots he "Knows" exactly what happened, just from the race of the victim and defendant. One has to wonder just what dark past he is covering up, from his childhood days in the South, where every white is a Klansman.

And then there are his continuous accusations of "racism" against all that disagree with his political view. He seems to be projecting his own attitudes on everyone- Those of us who dislike the liberal actions ( or attempts) of this administration, and supported conservatives in the past, can't have ANY ( Shouting at Bobert) reason to dislike Obama except "racism".
That seem to be the focus and only point that Bobert can ever put forward- ANY failure to agree with Obama MUST be racism, since that seems to be his own controlling factor. He can't even understand that to support Obama when we objected to the same things by white WOULD be racism

What is he going to do if Condoleeza Rice runs for President? Then I will claim any lack of support is "racism" on his part, and he will deny it- the rules he puts on others don't apply to him,, as everyone knows. Only conservatives are "racist", never the liberals who treat blacks like their own private pool of votes, not even giving them the payoffs they give unions and their bank supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 07:44 AM

Of course it is not a foregone conclusion!

If I were on the jury, having to decide if it was murder or self defence, I would want to know about all the things that led up to that encounter.

The judge decides what evidence is admissible.
The jury decides what weight to put upon it.
Why keep evidence from the defence?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 07:30 AM

I should also point out that if a man with a gun is following you, you are really quite likely reasonably to apprehend an intended assault, and are therefore entitled to use reasonable force in self defence.   So "Martin assaulted Zimmerman" is by no means a foregone conclusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 07:28 AM

No. They are not issues in the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 07:14 AM

His state of mind is not in point. His intentions are not in point. His character is not in issue.

Zim claims self defence.
He has to convince the jury that he was attacked.
All of those factors might be considered to have made an attack more likely or less likely, therefore in point.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 06:57 AM

Why withhold them and create a conflict, and a cause for doubt after a conviction.
Let the defence have everything and the jury can judge the relevance.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bert
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 06:17 AM

I don't know GfS, maybe Zimmerman did go "out one night". We don't know.

But I don't see that Martin's phone records are any more relevant than the color of his socks.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:50 AM

You know..all you guys who are fanning hatred, really ought to cool it. NOBODY was there, and NOBODY knows for sure what happened, or really, for sure, everything that led up to it...and THAT IS a FACT!
What if....just what if everything happened as Zimmerman said it did??..must the race card triumph, just because of race?? Everybody needs to chill out..BIG TIME!...I remember when the Arizona shooting happened with Gifford, the same guys who are pointing fingers then, are pointing fingers now...and they all blamed this nutcase, as being a right wing nut, who was shooting because he was a right wing nut case...and I called for restraint..and people were shocked that I wasn't on the bandwagon...well, this is pretty much of the same thing. Everybody, both sides of the 'argument', all emotionally charged..and raging with their emotions...regardless of the FACTS...just assumptions, rumors, presumptions, and a lot of fucking wishful thinking! Knock it off..calm the fuck down..chill out, and let the evidence come out as it does. One person is dead, and it really was a tragic mistake. If you think Zimmerman decided one night, to go out 'nigger hunting', after dinner, I think you're a fucking moron! If you think because Zimmerman was following Martin, was just cause for Martin to turn around and punch him out, and assault him, you're fucking idiotic!! If you think this thing escalated, because people misread the moment, you're probably closer to what actually happened...in other words, 'reality'. If you think this sad event is reason to make political hay out of it, well you're only fanning the fires for more hatred and violence...and that's REAL fucking stupid, idiotic, and moronic in full blown royalty!..If anything, we should be on the side of peace..and calm...but working each other up, on stuff, when you REALLY DON'T know what the fuck happened, then you are a fucking disgrace, to everything civil, to everything just, and everything that most of you 'SAY'(?) that you stand for!
Calm down, and let it unfold the way it does.....maybe, when all the facts finally come out, you might not have so much crow to eat!..AND...as a bonus, you would have not stirred up fear and loathing, needlessly.

Patience...the wheels of time roll slow...but grind fine!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 10:59 PM

more Snoop wisdom!

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 10:11 PM

Don't Bogart that joint my friend
pass it over to me...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:59 PM

Snoop Lion defense

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:52 PM

If he ate a twizzler ya gotta aquizzle

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:42 PM

That, sadly, is what it's going to come down to, Bert...

"If it don't fit, ya' gotta acquit..."

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bert
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:19 PM

A very important piece of evidence has been withheld. A week before he was killed Martin bought a pair of Argyle socks. Of course he deserved to be shot

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 08:47 PM

If not then we don't need to feast on his vomit...

Let it be...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 08:33 PM

That's OK, Bobert-

Beardy is currently petitioning the government for a posthumous pardon for William Zantzinger, too. That 6 month sentance was cruel and unusual punishment, and there was no real evidence that he'd killed anyone.

Perhaps being wrapped up in that campaign will give him less time to vomit his horseshit here.

One can only hope.