BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 08:42 AM

http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue-174553647--abc-news-topstories.html

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 08:28 AM

Obviously BOTH (emphasis) ,Bobert.

Martin initially was punching, then started pounding- at which point Zimmerman, in fear of being killed, pulled out the gun and fired one time. That is in accord with all testimony.


YOUR (emphasis) capabilities in causing bodily harm are not in question- but you CANNOT ( emphasis) claim that Martin was un-trained AND (emphasis) capable of the damage YOU (emphasis), a trained person, could do.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:50 AM

Give it a rest, will ya'?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 07:47 PM

On the other thread Lighter - who speaks as if he witnessed the entire murder - says he heard the entire testimony...

Here's the obvious question:

1. Did Martin rain MMA down on Zimmerman as one witness says or...


...2, Did Martin slam Zimmerman's head into the concrete???

You can't do both, people... One motion require you to punch down and the other grab the head (no punch down) and use the head and concrete as much different???

Hmmmmmm???

Seems like Lighter doesn't have a clue what happened...

BTW, as a former martial arts enthusiast with an ex who was also a sensei if I had 10 seconds on top of Zimmerman the damage that was shown in the pics ain't squat... I would have turned his head into hamburger...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:37 PM

Don T.: "I couldn't possibly have found a better description of you."

Something to reflect upon.

(He won't get it!)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:58 PM

Thanks Jack The Sailor for keeping this thread alive. It's a fitting memorial to Trayvon, and his wonderful family.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:40 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/for-the-aclu-george-zimmerman-case-is-awkward-deja-vu-94518.html


The American Civil Liberties Union is experiencing some uncomfortable déjà vu.
George Zimmerman's acquittal in the shooting death of black teenager Trayvon Martin has triggered the specter of an awkward and often raucous debate the group thought it had put behind itself two decades ago.

After the 1992 acquittal of Los Angeles police officers in the videotaped beating of African-American Rodney King, ACLU leaders split sharply over the possibility of a federal trial for the officers. The group eventually suspended its policy opposing double jeopardy — only to reverse itself the following year.

A New York Times editorial back then called the ACLU "torn by internal disagreement." A Boston Globe column described the organization as "twisting itself up in knots."
The heated debate highlighted one of the ACLU's challenges: It is perhaps the nation's foremost advocate for civil liberties — but it also has a long history advocating for civil rights.
More than 20 years later, President Barack Obama's comments reacting to the Zimmerman verdict dwelled on race while calling for respect for the trial process and the jury verdict.

"The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner," he said Friday. "The juries [sic] were properly instructed that in a case such as this reasonable doubt was relevant, and they rendered a verdict. And once the jury has spoken, that's how our system works."
Meanwhile, the ACLU's first public reaction drew notice in some quarters for leaning heavily toward racial justice — while staying silent on civil liberties and due process in the Florida case.
"Last night's verdict casts serious doubt on whether the legal system truly provides equal protection of the laws to everyone regardless of race or ethnicity," ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said in a statement on July 14, the day after the Florida jury's verdict. "This case reminds us that it is imperative that the Department of Justice thoroughly examine whether the Martin shooting was a federal civil rights violation or hate crime."

The statement went on to call for additional federal guidance on the use of race in law enforcement and for a new federal law aimed at ending racial profiling.
But it was the specific reference to an "imperative" for DOJ to investigate under criminal statutes — an apparent endorsement of the calls of many civil rights activists and groups for a federal prosecution of Zimmerman — that threatened to reopen old wounds.
That call came even though the ACLU's long-standing policy, restored in 1993 after the King debate, explicitly rejects such an option. "There should be no exception to double jeopardy principles simply because the same offense may be prosecuted by two different sovereigns," the policy says.
(Also on POLITICO: 'Justice for Trayvon' rallies continue)
Romero's statement stirred concern among some civil libertarians that in a rush to join the chorus of outrage over the Zimmerman verdict, the group had turned its back on the policy it settled on two decades ago.
In an apparent attempt to stem the controversy, a top ACLU official wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder on Thursday to make clear that the group does not favor a second prosecution of Zimmerman in federal court.
"We are writing to clearly state the ACLU's position on whether or not the Department of Justice (DOJ) should consider bringing federal civil rights or hate crimes charges as a result of the state court acquittal in the George Zimmerman case," Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU's Washington office, wrote.
(WATCH: President Obama's full remarks on Trayvon Martin)
"The ACLU believes the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Constitution protects someone from being prosecuted in another court for charges arising from the same transaction. A jury found Zimmerman not guilty, and that should be the end of the criminal case," she wrote.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 12:49 PM

""people with big mouths, and no care, really don't matter, at all...just small people with big mouths hoping to be heard...with nothing to say of any substance!""

As a piece of spot on accurate self assessment, that is bloody brilliant.

I couldn't possibly have found a better description of you.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 12:40 PM

Zimmerman's 'karma' is going o punish him far worse than a prison sentence!

Fatuous nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 11:16 AM

http://www.npr.org/2013/07/19/203342650/double-take-toons-lessons-from-zimmerman

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 04:44 PM

Hey, I agree with KB on that one....just like I agree with the FACT that after Rachel Jeantel told Trayvon, after she told him that Zimmerman was probably a 'homosexual rapist'(her words), that he should run, run away....either one of those things could have avoided this sordid ordeal!

By the way, the DoJ is not going to bring more charges on Zimmerman, they're just placating the left, until things die down, and people's attention spam(about that of a mayfly), wanders to 'other things'.

That being said, Zimmerman's 'karma' is going o punish him far worse than a prison sentence!
Happy now?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 04:06 PM

And if Zimmerman hadn't, he might not be.

Most complicated.

Actually I think that if Zimmerman had not had a gun he would likely have stayed in his truck like the dispatcher told him to and none of us would have ever heard of either of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 03:10 PM

Well, that's a start if you're trying to pray for a way out of this bullshit!!
Welcome back..I knew as soon as the waters were tepid enough you'd worm your way back......you really do have a mess on your hands...(see the 'Rupture' thread!)

GfS

P.S. Oh, by the way, "Jayzuz!!!" is not really a salient argument, it's just another feigned knee-jerk re-action, as if there is something to object about...but you don't know what it is...Do you, Mr Jones?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Lighter
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 03:08 PM

And if Zimmerman hadn't, he might not be.

Most complicated.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 03:04 PM

Well, as the NRA always points out, if Trayvon Martin had had a gun he'd be alive today. Lapierre has said that in this case, hasn't he? No? Oh, I wonder why.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 02:50 PM

Jayzuz!!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 02:41 PM

Hi, Elmore...welcome back to the mental ward!
I happen to agree with you on the legal front...and I still maintain it was a chain of stupidity, and over-hyped bullshit, promoted by the wannabe zealots of civil rights nostalgia!...besides, it's now come out that Trayvon instigated the actual ILLEGAL assault on Zimmerman, thinking he was going to pound the shit out of what he was convinced, by his girlfriend, that the guy following him maybe a homosexual rapist! The wannabe 'so-called liberals' are in a tailspin over it..who do they support?..the Homosexual community from homophobes?..the black community, because they're used to beating that drum??...Hispanics?? because it's a new drum, they don't like as much, but it's still a drum that makes noise, ..unfair trial??..but it was THEIR guys who withheld evidence and fucked it up for political controversy..'stand your ground' laws, that were not even used in the trial..the rule of law?? which didn't fall their way, so it must be a Tea Party plot,...stricter gun laws?...because Zimmerman had one, but Trayvon's picture with one doesn't count...after all, he's a black homophobic wannabe gang member, who just didn't take it with him that night, notwithstanding a minor...yeppers, them there liberal stereo whiners are whining out of both sides of their mouths.
A don't have a pig in the race..just tried to point it out to them that they are in the position of a political used rubber...fucked over AGAIN!
Personally I just wish they'd contain themselves...and everything in it!....but if you do spread it around, the male hormone in it DOES get rid of cellulite on women!

Until the next bit of nonsensical indigestion...(and maybe not)..

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 02:06 PM

OMG. I've been busy being ill. Can't believe this back and forth is continuing, despite the fact that I participated in it earlier on. Legalities aside, Trayvon will be considered a martyr, someone convicted of his own murder. Zimmerman, at best, will be thought a fool.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 12:20 PM

Bobert: "Martin Luther King was very puzzled about "hippies" because they were pretty much apolitical and just wanted to be left alone..."

Damn hippies!....(hey, maybe they were onto something...or maybe just on something)

Does being an old radical and bragging about it, make you block-headed and proud of it, or just block-headed for a long time?...because you ARE a bit extreme, when trying not to deal with either facts or reality.

Don T obviously didn't watch the trial...he made up his own mind without one..who needs evidence?? or witnesses??..NOT Don!

Look guys, the whole thing was a sham, from even before they held it, and the politicizing it, by your buddies, even fucked it up more. It was designed to fail, and play to YOU, the audience. Legally, the verdict WAS the correct one, so no real damage there, but idiots are still trying to get mileage out of it, all this while keeping the truth of the assault by Trayvon, out of the light.
You can believe or disbelieve any fucking thing you want, and you have shown that you do. more of the real story is breaking, but you don't care....matter of fact, the FACT that you don't care about the circumstances, as fucked up as they be, just shows that people with big mouths, and no care, really don't matter, at all...just mall people with big mouths hoping to be heard...with nothing to say of any substance!
So, get over it(you didn't give a shit anyway)...and blather on.
Oh, and keep ignoring the truth of the whole story...it makes for better blather!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 10:22 AM

""Nor if he hadn't gone back, broken Zimmerman's nose, and "pounded" his head on the sidewalk.""

A claim for which we have only Zimmerman's word, and the next day the fairies had taken away the bush from which he claimed Martin ambushed him. In fact it was one of a number of lies told by Zimmerman.

""Zimmerman didn't chase him, at least according to the phone-call timeline, and didn't strike him, at least according to the autopsy.""

No, he didn't, because Martin wasn't running. He said on the phone he was being followed.

Zimmerman did hit him! With a 9mm slug! After that fists were superfluous.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 10:12 AM

""Makes sense to me...but STILL does NOT justify the whole stupid chain of events..but at least explains it!!..""

The fact that it makes sense to you doesn't actually improve its credibility.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 09:55 AM

Ditto on the despicable pig comment...

Sorry, GfinS, but that little ditty didn't do ditty for me... Too schmaltzy for my tastes... BTW, there's a major difference between
"old hippies" and "old radicals"...

Folks who weren't either really wouldn't understand that part because "old radicals" and "old hippies" did kinda look alike back then...

Martin Luther King was very puzzled about "hippies" because they were pretty much apolitical and just wanted to be left alone...

B~ (old radical)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 07:55 AM

"even the boy in the White House"

You are a despicable pig Mr. Kennedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 04:41 AM

The verdict was indeed the correct one. I am pleased with the outcome, I was never in any doubt of his innocence. One has to ask themselves how they would react when confronted with this type snooping about their property. When this type comes into an area such as this, you can be sure criminal damage or robbery in their motivation and intent.

We all expected this shower would hit the streets running to play the old race card after the verdict was read, even the boy in the White House threw his threepence worth in.

I wouldn't worry too much about it, they will go on their usual burning and wrecking spree for a few days, the police are more than capable of dealing with it if left alone to do so. It will soon blow over.

My only hope is that British courts would take a similar approach in such cases, this is very unlikely due to political intervention by a government that has proven it has failed to serve it's own people.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 02:16 AM

Damn Hippies!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 11:03 PM

Here, bobert..Here's a ditty for ya'..........
Hey, Red Queen, you out there???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:32 PM

I am...it's all one big mess....even orchestrated!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 08:38 PM

You, GfinS, at least have the right song for the occasion... Just seeing black and white singers together singing the wrong song sends the wrong message...

The economy??? Your Republicans have stymied one jobs bill after another... The non-flat-earth economists said it would take $1.3T in stimulus to get US out of the rut... Your buddies said no... Even Europe now gets it that your Republican austerity is stupid...

Now back the issues at hand... Stick with the real issues, GfinS, and leave the oberta dictum alone...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 08:30 PM

..along with the, beardedbruce might have a few things to post, as well!

Not guessing, Bobert...heard it!..and posted links to support it....it's just that your corporate owned media hasn't got it up yet, how to spin this one, and keep the deception going. Do you think the president didn't know this information, when he gave his speech??
what else AREN'T you being told??
How bad the economy is?? Race riots?? Gun issues??..all converging together???
You might know this...written in similar times..for similar reasons

Did you forget??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 08:20 PM

Snap now, and avoid the rush....it'll all come out!

Remember when the message in the music was AHEAD of the curve???

How long did it take you to flash before??
Did you run out of your mojo??

The Girlfriend was purposely abridged in her testimony. Those 'lawyers' should be disbarred!
They deceived the whole fucking nation, and got the suckers to champion the lie!
Protest music, anyone?

Me, I only compose instrumentals, anymore. I try to say it without words, like I used to...besides, when the takeover is done, don't you think they'd like some good music????

Funny, we haven't heard from Firth, yet....the ramrod distractor is hiding??

(That should flush him out!)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 07:34 PM

Yo, GfinS,

You are spinning faster than a top on crack...

Your guesses suck as bad as your spin...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 07:31 PM

Yo, Lighter,

Were you there??? Funny, I don't recall you being called to the stand...

But you seem so sure of exactly what happened...

You are coming off as a racist who devalues the life of a black teenager just trying to walk home from the store...

I mean, your assertions are mythology...

Tell us where you got these so-called facts...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 07:00 PM

Vehement posters here have invented their own scenario, repetitively posted, which is at odds with the witness statement and Zimmerman's injuries.

Acquittal was the logical outcome.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 06:39 PM

If Trayvon was a white man wearing a suit he'd still be alive.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 06:04 PM

Nor if he hadn't gone back,

Please supply evidence that Martin "went back" - other than the self-serving testimony of documented multiple liar Zimmerman.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 05:59 PM

Your "if's", GfS, are dumb, imo. Should I say that IF the sun had not shone today, it would have been cloudy?

One expects a 29-year-old to have and exercise better judgment than someone who has just turned 17. That is what we call the difference between a boy and a man.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 05:54 PM

1 2 3 4

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 05:12 PM

..and if the 'so-called liberals' weren't deceived, and betrayed, and used, by the banksters/multinational/political indoctrinators, who are also doing the 'so-called conservatives', it would have been just another, needless, stupid crime, that nobody would have been hating each other over, too...and/or..is being manipulated, so more of it can/will happen.....

....and you 'thought' folk music had no more place???

IF EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Lighter
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 04:57 PM

Had Martin kept walking home, it wouldn't have happened either. (He could have been there in between 30 and 60 seconds.)

Nor if he hadn't gone back, broken Zimmerman's nose, and "pounded" his head on the sidewalk.

Zimmerman didn't chase him, at least according to the phone-call timeline, and didn't strike him, at least according to the autopsy.

Not every tragedy is a crime.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 04:35 PM

Two irrefutable things:
#1: Had Zimmerman- a Night WATCHman - stayed in his vehicle after reporting a 'suspicious' character, it would not have happened.
#2: Had Zimmerman been wearing a uniform that indicated his standing, it would most probably not have happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 04:02 PM

a better question to ask, is how can this be avoided in the future to any black, or white, or purple or any other person right. I can only strongly suggest a federal hand gun carry law. I talked to a cop from Florida that I know. He said the stand your ground stuff occurred because people got mad at the high number of drug related break in's and subsequent homicides. The state then passed that law. The downside to "no good deed goes unpunished" is that they laid a good foundation for murderers to get off. Now stand your ground was not part of this case but it will be again in the future sadly. A federal carry law would be a good step I think. but who knows maybe the feds won't get it right either but maybe they will at least talk to people who know about such things unlike NY before making laws.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 03:51 PM

And that posting of an intirely irrelevent Dylan tune has what to do witth anything, GeistInsanity? Dogshit-R-Us.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 01:48 PM

Just in case you didn't understand the lyrics.....read carefully!

Ballad of a Thin Man

You walk into the room
With your pencil in your hand
You see somebody naked
And you say, "Who is that man?"
You try so hard
But you don't understand
Just what you'll say
When you get home

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You raise up your head
And you ask, "Is this where it is?"
And somebody points to you and says
"It's his"
And you say, "What's mine?"
And somebody else says, "Where what is?"
And you say, "Oh my God
Am I here all alone?"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You hand in your ticket
And you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, "How does it feel
To be such a freak?"
And you say, "Impossible"
As he hands you a bone

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts
When someone attacks your imagination
But nobody has any respect
Anyway they already expect you
To just give a check
To tax-deductible charity organizations

You've been with the professors
And they've all liked your looks
With great lawyers you have
Discussed lepers and crooks
You've been through all of
F. Scott Fitzgerald's books
You're very well read
It's well known

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Well, the sword swallower, he comes up to you
And then he kneels
He crosses himself
And then he clicks his high heels
And without further notice
He asks you how it feels
And he says, "Here is your throat back
Thanks for the loan"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Now you see this one-eyed midget
Shouting the word "NOW"
And you say, "For what reason?"
And he says, "How?"
And you say, "What does this mean?"
And he screams back, "You're a cow
Give me some milk
Or else go home"

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Well, you walk into the room
Like a camel and then you frown

You put your eyes in your pocket
And your nose on the ground
There ought to be a law
Against you comin' around
You should be made
To wear earphones

Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Copyright © 1965 by Warner Bros. Inc.; renewed 1993 by Special Rider Music

Rather both prophetic and apropos!...on several levels!

gfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 01:26 PM

Give it up, Bobert...that's NOT the reason! No wonder evidence was withheld!!
Also it could explain the President's demeanor during his speech. Sooner or later this was going to come out!..and sooner or later all the 'so-called liberal' agitators, would have a lot of 'Jim Crow' to eat!!! This had to do with a over zealot wannabe cop, being assaulted by a kid, who happened to be black, who wanted to teach, what he perceived as a would be homosexual rapist, a lessen by beating the shit out of him, and the wannabe cop shooting him out of self defense, as he was getting the crap kicked out of him, on the ground. Makes sense to me...but STILL does NOT justify the whole stupid chain of events..but at least explains it!!..
...and by the way, this SHOULD have come out in the trial! Shame shame on the prosecution and idiots trying to politicize this into merely a racial profiling!
Now, the way it is, the 'so-called liberals' need to decide about whose 'rights' were being violated, homosexuals?..Blacks?? Hispanics?? Licensed gun owners? and have to choke on their own bullshit!!
In other words, you've been exploited and used...AGAIN....just like them there 'hippies' in the '60s!!

Good night, Gracie!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 01:05 PM

BTW, the video of blacks and whites singing together does not make up for this murder either and is, quite frankly, disgustingly disrespectful to Trayvon Martin...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 01:02 PM

So calling a white guy who is following you a creepy ass cracker is a capital offense???

Murder is murder, folks, and any effort to sanitize what Zimmerman got away with is wrong...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 12:23 PM

"Dumb-ass cracker" was Trayvon's context, and words.

Personally, I liked the video with blacks and whites singing together, and smiling!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 12:20 PM

"Usage of the term "cracker" generally differs from "hick" and "hillbilly" because crackers reject or resist assimilation into the dominant culture, while hicks and hillbillies theoretically are isolated from the dominant culture. In this way, the cracker is similar to the redneck.[citation needed] In the African American community, "cracker" is a racist term for whites.

Since 1900 "cracker" has also been used as a proud or jocular self-description. With the huge influx of new residents from the North, "cracker" is now used informally by some white residents of Florida and Georgia ("Florida cracker" or "Georgia cracker") to indicate that their family has lived there for many generations. However, the term "white cracker" is not always used self-referentially and remains a racist term to many in the region."

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 12:16 PM

I think Newman's "Sail Away" might be more relevant to the discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: number 6
Date: 20 Jul 13 - 12:04 PM

"cracker" .... I thought it referred to poor southern farmers.

"The President say, "Little fat man isn't it a shame what the river has
done
To this poor crackers land."
... exerpt from Louisiana by Randy Newman.

biLL