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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jul 13 - 11:57 AM And NOW it's starting to make a LOT more SENSE now!!! Remember I posted this, at the beginning, when i first got on..: From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 13 - 11:01 AM Dream on. You guys are ignoring the circumstances that led to him being shot, and trying to make it solely a case of him being shot, because Martin was black. Do you think Zimmerman would have shot him, if Martin wasn't on top of him, beating him up??? Yes, I agree that it was a lack of good judgement..on both of their parts. Yes, it would have never happened, if Zimmerman had remained in his car, against the advice of the officer who advised him to stay in his car, BUT, Zimmerman getting out of his car, against that advice, was in itself NOT breaking a law. It was dumb, yes, and he followed Martin, which eventually led to him being assaulted by Martin, according to the evidence...but following a person, does NOT give permission, common sense, or reason, for that person to turn around and accost the guy following you...and technically, and legally, Martin was the first to break the law, by doing so. It was a stupid act of bravado, as was Zimmerman trying to take the law in his own hands. IT WAS ALL STUPID!" As it is turning out, Martin called Zimmerman a 'Cracker', which is a racial term, and a few other names, which I heard on the news, which is slang for a homosexual, who he was thinking was going to rape him...so he figured he wasn't armed, just a 'faggot'(Trayvon's words) who needed to 'get his fuckin' ass whooped'(Trayvon's words). Do you think that might just explain WHY Trayvon didn't call 911?????? WHY Trayvon elected to assault Zimmerman???? So is it that Trayvon was the homophobic racist who attacked Zimmerman? Sound like it to me...BUT.... ..as I POSTED BEFORE: IT was ALL acts of stupidity, all the way around, and BOTH of them, misreading the moment and circumstances!! ..and I posted that, before the trial was even over! guest from SANITY! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jul 13 - 11:24 AM Oh, and when I said I heard it on the radio, it WASN'T the Rush Limbaugh Show, either. It was on the news out of Albuquerque. LMAO!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jul 13 - 11:19 AM Greg F, I KNEW you'd be bitching(along with a couple of others), but I did NOT quote Limbaugh. Is right from the mouth of JEANTEL, on the Piers Morgan Show! Don't blame me, I didn't say it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jul 13 - 11:16 AM Follow-up.... ...and more of Trayvon's remarks on phone to follow...which I heard on the radio, but there is nothing online, as of yet...but shall be coming. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 20 Jul 13 - 11:07 AM Yeah, GeistInsanity, you and Limbaugh make a good pair of total fucking idiots. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jul 13 - 10:59 AM Part of the 'withheld evidence'......... maybe the real reason Trayvon punched Zimmerman.... I think the 'so-called' liberals might just get split into the 'so-called liberals' and even 'lefter so-called liberals'....with egg on their faces. GfS P.S. Homophobia, anyone?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:46 AM On second thought, wonder how Beardy views the Dreyfus affair? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:45 AM The "jury had spoken" in the Captain Alfred Dreyfus case too, and the verdict had huge public support. Plenty more similar examples down to the present day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:39 AM What Bobert said!! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:28 AM That should read three and a half stone. DT |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:28 AM There are folks who are for just letting this pass because, they say, the jury has spoken... Fine for them... That takes care of the Florida justice side of the deal... But it does nothing to address the injustice side of the deal and that's why we're not just letting it pass... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:20 AM ""But if you're going to protest, you'd better know what came out in court, in the presence of a vigorous and dedicated prosecution, rather than falling for the hyped-up media version with its predictable and pre-selected victim and villain."" The major problem is that your cleverly constructed apologia for Zimmerman's actions, fails to take into account the evidence which was deliberately kept from the jury, such as the fact: 1. That it was Zimmerman who had the martial arts experience. 2. That Zimmerman outweighed Martin by three and a stone. 3. That at 29, Zimmerman was nothing like the weak older man posited by the defence. 4. That Zimmerman had a history of violence which included stalking an ex girlfriend and assaulting her when confronted. 5. That Zimmerman had previously assaulted a police officer, while resistin arrest. 5. That two qualified voice recognition experts who gave the opinion that the voice crying help was more likely to be Trayvon Martin, were not allowed to testify. 6. That eight of Zimmerman's friends WERE allowed to testify that it was his voice. This whole trial was conducted in a manner completely unsatisfactory, except of course to those determined to acquit. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Jul 13 - 08:47 AM ""Don't just question authority--question every fucking thing."" All very wel Jeri! But when you point up all the inconsistencies in the way that evidence was permitted or debarred, and every single piece is slanted to disadvantage one side of the contest, that is not opinion, neither is it Media misdirection. It is reported court record, and it is redolent of corruption. If it is not based upon racial prejudice, what possible other reason makes any logical sense. Especially when you see where, and under what authorities it took place. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 20 Jul 13 - 08:42 AM GfinS, I remember well the 60s... We wore a lot of hats... Anti-war... Civil & human rights... But we also had our music and our weed... We understood there was a time to reap and a time to sew... But that took a consciousness that respected both... There were people back then who didn't have that consciousness and were clueless as to why the folks who did didn't want to be around them... It's kinda like a band-mate who either isn't in tune or can't hold the beat... If the music video had been "For What Its Worth" then, yeah, maybe it would have been appropriate... But the video detracted from the discussion and added nothing at all to the discussion... But you won't get this because I fear that you were one of the folks in the 60s who thought it was all about sex, drugs and rock & roll and missed the real important stuff... Timing is everything... Like I said, "A time to reap, a time to sew"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Lighter Date: 20 Jul 13 - 08:41 AM Has anyone noticed, as I have, that not *one* of emotional TV talking heads has explained exactly *why*, based on evidence in the trial itself, they're so sure the verdict was wrong? All they do is talk about race, an "innocent child" etc., etc. The details you most likely to heard before the trial were mostly *false.* The time-line between calls, the distance to Martin's house from the site of the fight, the testimony of the only eyewitness to get close (who saw Martin "grinding and pounding" Zimmerman's head on the concrete), the reluctance - at first - of even Martin's brother and father to identify his voice on the tape, Zimmerman's waiving of his Miranda rights, the clear photos of his injuries (not released till many months later), the lack of any injury to Martin except the gunshot (and a skinned knuckle), the testimony of one of the country's most distinguished forensic pathologists, the fact that it took Zimmerman 45 seconds of crying for help before he shot (whether or not Martin had grabbed for his gun), all combined to create *more* than reasonable doubt that he'd committed the crimes he was charged with. The evidence showed *beyond a reasonable doubt* that Martin didn't go home when he could have, came back to confront Zimmerman, broke his nose, then kept pounding his head on the concrete even after a neighbor came within twenty feet and yelled at them to stop because he was calling 911! And the prosecution - and now others - now describe the 17-year-old Martin as "an innocent child." (Florida prosecutes plenty of 17-year-olds as adults for violent crimes.) The photos of Martin that are usually shown were taken when he was about fourteen years old. Now why would that be? In 2012 he was 5' 11" and taller than Zimmerman. You don't have to believe me. You don't even have to believe the jury, which deliberated for 16 long hours after hearing many long days of testimony. But if you're going to protest, you'd better know what came out in court, in the presence of a vigorous and dedicated prosecution, rather than falling for the hyped-up media version with its predictable and pre-selected victim and villain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Jul 13 - 07:56 AM ""The one who spoke out stated that originally, there were two that thought Zimmerman was guilty of manslaughter and one who thought Zimmerman was guilty of 2nd degree murder. 2 + 1 -=3 , "three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, " The REMAINING THREE thought Zimmerman was innocent. Thus "The jury was initially split -- three and three along the line of guilt -- she said" YOUR claim that "The juror who was interviewed said that initially they were three to two for conviction." IS FALSE and a lie. Are you pretending to be stupid, or are you really that dense???"" Look mate, my comment was based in, and responding to YOUR post about three to four days ago, in which none of what you have said above appeared. If you didn't post it, how could my response to what you DID POST be a lie, or stupid? You have a remarkable capacity for dishonest goal post shifting. Don T. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jul 13 - 12:16 AM I watched the music video, and it was really cool. Legend played well on it...BTW, Bobert, if you watched the music video at all, you might have noticed the expression on the faces of the singers, in the background..both white and black..and yet you posted: Bobert: "BTW, GUEST... There's time for music and time for standing up for what is right..." I thought black and white singing together IS what is standing up for right!!!...Now just sharing your hate, has NOTHING to do with DOING 'what is right'!!..or 'left'... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 19 Jul 13 - 10:03 PM 10/4, part B... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: olddude Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:54 PM I think myself that things can always change for the better. I should have also added I am an ex computer science full professor. ya know I am everything the Amish shun and detest but yet they accept me as one of them. If they can do it and it is 180 degrees against everything they stand for. maybe just maybe black and while people can take some time to look at each other and say, this hasn't been working well over the last 150 years. How are your kids doing ... wanna go for a beer .. I mean when you know someone then everything changes. Now lets fix the darn gun laws. Take that power from the states that cannot get it right and put it in the Federal hands with some sense perhaps. I can only pray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:10 PM That's a big 10/4, Ol'ster... No one should have a gun if they are a nut, a criminal or don't have a clue how to use it safely... The NRA says that can't happen... BS... It won't happen if we don't put in the hard work against the NRA to make it happen... BTW, GUEST... There's time for music and time for standing up for what is right... We knew that in the 60s and it still stands today... Your youtubes won't bring Trayvon Martin back... It won't stop the 100,000 Americans who will be shot this year... Get off this little head-in-the-sand games... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: olddude Date: 19 Jul 13 - 09:02 PM What we need Bobster is to write our Congressmen and push for a federal law on handgun carry. it will go a long way I think. Too many states have such screwed up laws. Florida is one, if you can breathe and have no record sure here is a carry permit. Like some people should not own a car, some people should never be allowed a firearm. All it would have taken is "I am from the neighborhood watch what are you doing here" I bet everything would have been fine but sadly that didn't happen. This situation is over but we can try to prevent another from occurring if we try our best to push for federal control |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:51 PM Make music, not war! Will this do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCWZDgy7XAE&sns=em |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:50 PM Yes, becoming more civilized is always the goal of intelligent people... So is real justice... No justice = no liberty = no freedom = oppression... We gotta get it right... Florida didn't get it right and that is not acceptable... Not now and not tomorrow... This must get fixed... This is something we can't walk away from like watching a bar fight where both guys are going to wake up tomorrow... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: olddude Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:40 PM we fight in this community, we call names (me too) and I am sorry I lose it sometimes. We gotta be better people. Ya know what, in the Amish community English are really not welcome, they do business with English but keep a large distance between them. Ya know what else, a Catholic is like Satan the worst of the lot. Ya know happens when I stop by their Bishop's home, a smile, you must take some tomatoes and beans home to your family. Always a pleasure to see you come back soon we miss you. Why ? cause they got to know me and don't care about the other stuff. They no longer see an English Catholic only Dan if we all do that to each other, imagine how great mudcat could be with all of the smart people and gifted talent we have here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:37 PM No, Ol'ster, it ain't over... It wasn't over when O.J. got away with murder... It's never over when justice isn't served... Never... We don't get over injustice... We suffer with it until it is righted... Here in North Carolina there is a military doctor who has been in prison for the last 30 plus years... He was convicted of killing his wife and two young daughters... Problem is that he didn't do it... But he's still in prison... He's lost his entire family and over 30 years of his life... No, injustice is never over... BTW, this doctor is about to get a new trial... BTW, Part 2... How many men have been exonerated of crimes they were convicted of 20, 30, 40 years ago and now DNA says they were innocent??? It's been hundreds... No, injustice is never over... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: olddude Date: 19 Jul 13 - 08:20 PM 20 years after graduating one of my former black students still sends me a fathers day card every year "to my other dad". One of my best friends is a conservative Amish guy .. you don't have be part of any culture or belief or whatever to be friends. agree to disagree .. that is fine. Lots of conservative republicans don't buy into my somewhat independent way of thinking, nor do my democratic friends and family .. but does it really matter no. People can disagree and that is fine but fighting when it changes nothing is silly. If you were members of the jury yes ... but it is over |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST Date: 19 Jul 13 - 07:02 PM Yeah, I thought that was a really honest speech Obama gave. I thought I posted this AM but it didn't through. Good news feature. http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/07/19/203306999/How-To-Fight-Racial-Bia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:58 PM Make music, not war! gfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: olddude Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:47 PM Bruce, Greg knows a lot about pocket watches, You want to learn more about them and are interested, he can also help you. Greg help Bruce with learning more about Hamilton's and their history. a heck of a lot better then beating each other up |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: olddude Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:38 PM Dear Greg and Bruce. I have done a lot for both of you and I have called both of you friends. Now I am putting my EX Cop, EX government hat on and say if you don't stop calling each other names, I am going to kick the shit out of both of you .. and trust me I can do it .. knock it off, shake hands and behave. Nobody was there, it is what it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 19 Jul 13 - 06:10 PM Wyatt Earp and Bat Masterson inhabited Dodge City, Kansas circa 1886. Then they moved west when things got too quiet there. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:36 PM Wasn't that the Dodge City ethic back in the "good ole days? Naw, that was Tombstone, Arizona. vide Paladin - have gun, will travel.. Welcome to the 1880's - Disneyesque living "history"[sic] is all the rage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 19 Jul 13 - 05:05 PM "Stand your ground." Wasn't that the Dodge City ethic back in the "good ole days?' Lets all practice our fast draw. (Careful you don't shoot yourself in the foot. . . .) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 19 Jul 13 - 04:52 PM I just read the full text of Obama's remarks and they were right on... His views of hold-your-ground laws are consistent with my own... They do not make people safer... They make people engage in hostile, violent acts who normally wouldn't think to do so... It puts murder on the list of options for conflict resolution and a major step backwards for our society... Of course the NRA will blast out their usual phoney statistics as if they are based on reality but just remember who it was that used it's political clout to stop the CDC from accumulating stats on gun violence... That alone should tell you that the NRA's stats are bald-faced lies... But back to Obama... Very nice speech and thank you for laying it out the way it is... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 19 Jul 13 - 04:08 PM Thanks for posting that, bodad. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:49 PM Thanks for the latest truckload of horseshit, BullshitBruce, but you STILL haven't answered the question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: bobad Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:34 PM President Obama on the trial: "You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. And when you think about why, in the African- American community at least, there's a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it's important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that -- that doesn't go away. There are very few African-American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me. And there are very few African-American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me, at least before I was a senator. There are very few African-Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often. And you know, I don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African-American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it's inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear." Full remarks here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:15 PM It is because I respect the opinions of others, when they can support their opinions with factual reasons. Especially when they are black ( in cases of suposed "racil" rpofiling)- which it seems you do not |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:04 PM Please let us know why you think any sentient being should give a fart in a high wind about what UberMensch Bobert or you, Greggie boy, have to say? Nice collection of horseshit & spittle, BullshitBruce, but you didn't answer the question. Is that because you know that the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is even more full of shit than you are? - hard to believe tho that may be.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: bobad Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:01 PM The FBI has ordered the Sanford, Florida Police Department not to return George Zimmerman's gun to him while a federal civil case against him is still pending. According to the Orlando Sentinel, the request is a clear indication that the U.S. Department of Justice is moving forward with its investigation as to whether Zimmerman violated the civil rights of teenager Trayvon Martin on February 26, 2012, the night of Martin's death. The Raw Story |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Red Queen Date: 19 Jul 13 - 03:00 PM Hmmm...more Florida justice... http://sdvoice.info/black-woman-gets-20-years-for-firing-shot-at-wall-white-man- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:49 PM Or is it that you and UberMensch Bobert don't bother to listen to anyone who presents a viewpoint you do not agree with, regardless of race? What a perfect example of the "Liberal Attitude'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:47 PM And then, tell me why you don't think it worthwhile to listen to what blacks have to say unless they agree with you? Sounds like you are admitting your racism, doesn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:45 PM Please let us know why you think any sentient being should give a fart in a high wind about what UberMensch Bobert or you, Greggie boy, have to say? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:34 PM BullshitBruce, The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is a certified right-wing fundagelcal "christian"[sic]lunatic, as anyone who is able to use the internet search engine of their choice can discover in about 5 seconds. Please let us know why you think any sentient being should give a fart in a high wind about what he has to say? Just another BullshitBruce barrell of horseshit, signifying less than nothing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:29 PM Here, look it up yourselves!! CNN.com - Transcripts transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/28/ijvm.01.html Cached No justice, no peace. TRACY MARTIN, TRAYVON`S FATHER: ... and Trayvon`s mother is very upset that ... saying this had nothing to do with race, and of ..." transcript of interview So what is it the 'pundits' know more about this??????????? THAT BEING SAID: It is being used by VERY evil people to promote violence, discord, bigotry, divisions, and hatred! If it WAS about race, I'm sure the mother would weigh in that it was...she didn't, she is directly contradicting the assholes trying to manipulate it..READ IT YOURSELVES! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:27 PM So PeeDee- you want to censor free speech? No surprise coming from a Fellow Traveller of BullshitBruce. How many postings of irrelevant horseshit has HE made? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Jul 13 - 02:07 PM PDQ: "I have posted 10 times, before this one." Please post more often, you have good input! Regards! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 19 Jul 13 - 01:16 PM Greg F has posted some 5 times since I asked him what questions these are, that I have not addressed. If even the UberMensch can't tell me, maybe his claim is ... another scumsucking lie? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: pdq Date: 19 Jul 13 - 01:02 PM Overposter known by "the F word" has posted 243 times in the month of July. I have posted 10 times, before this one. Perhaps Jeri and the gang can put a limit on the number of posts for some of the "usual suspects". That will not improve the quality of their posts, just the quantity. |
