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Subject: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Amos Date: 29 Oct 03 - 08:30 PM The Official Guide to Being a Good Republican - The Talking Points 1. Co-Opt God into absolutely everything you say and do. If people believe that God is on your side, then more likely they will support you. Also stress that Democrats do not believe in God, and if elected, they will try to ban God all together. Always remember to use God's name often. Example of how to deliver bad news to your constituents: "This legislation that cut millions of dollars from [insert social program here] was God's will!" -- Smile often and make a "possessed" body movement so people will think that God is speaking through you, reaffirming the impression that you, and only your party, can do God's will. 2. Always stick to the "official" story. Independent statements and thoughts are what get people into trouble. If you don't know the official story, check with Newsmax, FOX, or the Washington Times for updates. Don't run your yap!! The truth may get out and we don't want to have to start explaining things! 3. George W. Bush has been and will be America's ONLY president. Tell everyone you meet, and speak it as if it were told to you by God himself. If people start getting around to thinking that there could be a president other than George W. Bush . . . Well let's not think about that. Also remember to remind people that EVERYONE got to vote in Florida during the 2000 presidential election, and all of that stuff about Katherine Harris was made up by the liberal media. (See Below) 4. All media is liberal lies! Especially the New York Times, the Washington Post , and NBC. The only REAL news comes from FOX. Remember to pepper your comments with statements like, "Katie Couric wants everyone to wear a Mao Jacket!" or "Dan Rather is an atheist!" -- These are statements that cannot be proved or disproved; therefore no one can ever accuse you of lying. If you say them often, proudly, and as if God told you himself, people will believe you. 5. Michael Moore is the anti-Christ. In fact, the reason he always wears a baseball cap is to hide the three sixes on his head. Remember to tell everyone that Bowling for Columbine is a work of complete fiction and only won the Academy Award for Best Documentary because of the liberals in Hollywood. Also remember to remind people that Hillary Clinton is in cahoots with Michael Moore to make America a socialist country, and to take away your guns. 6. Hillary Clinton wants to take away your guns. Remind everyone that Bill and Hillary Clinton hate democracy, hate America, and hate your guns. That should be enough to convince whomever you are talking to that the Clintons really suck, and if you ever want to have a gun on you, whenever that mugging you are so worried about actually occurs, you had better hate the Clintons, too. 7. Clintons Part Two -- All Bill Clinton ever did was have sex, sex, and more sex. While it is partly true, don't let anyone try and Slide things like "Balanced Budget" or "Eight years of peace and prosperity" by you. Tell people that it was the Republicans that kept terrorists in check by spending millions of dollars investigating sex, sex, and more sex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: curmudgeon Date: 29 Oct 03 - 08:36 PM Absolutely brilliant Amos. I hope you've got a publisher lined up for this gem. Keep up the good work -- Tom |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST,pdc Date: 29 Oct 03 - 09:01 PM Woo-hoo! I love it, and "borrowed" it, but gave credit to "a guy named Amos." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: kendall Date: 30 Oct 03 - 05:29 AM Suggested motto for the republican party. PULL UP THE LADDER, I'M ABOARD. Excellent piece Amos, I'm going to save it for future ammo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST Date: 30 Oct 03 - 05:43 AM Amos didn't write it. It was copied from here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Rapparee Date: 30 Oct 03 - 07:48 AM I hate to interject (I like them!), but why do we always seek to blame another? Surely some of the fault lies within ourselves, too. Why do we waste time and energy assigning blame instead of using the time and energy to fix the problem? Isn't God a liberal? After all, s/he created conservatives. What's more liberal than that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:36 AM "... make a 'possessed' body movement" What does that consist of? Like in Exorcist? There's always stuff in our papers about politicians going in for "spin", but I haven't so far seen that. (Though with our Tory Party here on the brink of appointing a suspected vampire as its leader, who knows...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: kendall Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:57 AM Did I imply that Amos wrote it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST Date: 30 Oct 03 - 10:11 AM No Kendall, but Curmudgeon and Pdc did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Amos Date: 30 Oct 03 - 10:18 AM Apologies for the accidental false impression -- it isn't mine. I just support it. See link above for correct source at buzzflash. Sorry for the confusion. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 03 - 11:25 AM Still no word on what a "possessed" body movement looks like. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Little Hawk Date: 30 Oct 03 - 11:35 AM Here's an interesting footnote. Canada's most populous province, Ontario, got taken over about 8 or 9 years ago by the neo-conservative movement under Mike Harris. Their program was called the "Common Sense Revolution" (ha ha), and was anything but. They succeeded in getting elected by appealing to people's sense of greed (with promises of big tax cuts), their zenophobia (by demonizing the most powerless members of society), and their hatred of "big government" (a handy thing to pin on incumbents whom you hope to kick out of office). It worked. Enough people were fooled that they got elected twice in Ontario. (They didn't talk about God much, cos that angle doesn't work nearly as well in Canada as it does in the USA.) Now, their stated aim was to "balance the budget" and restore fiscal responsibility. Their gimmick is to pretend that all other parties are less fiscally responsible than the Conservatives (which is an outright lie, by the way, but their hardcore supporters believe it like it was gospel...). What they actually do is privatize formerly public contracts, handing them out like plums to their rich pals who fund their campaigns. Those fellas then cut the staff by 50% and cut everything else they can, so as to maximize their profits, AND raise the price of things at the same time!!! What a gravytrain for private enterprise. (and there vanished your tax cut, people...) Everything deteriorates, and everything costs more. So, the damage these guys did to schools, hospitals, roads, municipalities, etc in Ontario became so catastrophic that people finally got totally disgusted and kicked the bastards out in our recent election. The "Common Sense Revolution" is deader than Clinton Hammond's skunk. It has been shown for the fraud it really was. And guess what? It seems that the Conservatives cooked the books when they said that they had balanced the budget all those years. It now appears that far from balancing the budget, they created record deficits while the rich got richer and everyone else got poorer. Gosh, WHAT a surprise.... (sarcasm) That won't stop the jerks from coming back again with the same old phony mantra of "tax cuts" that turn out to be a flimsy smokescreen over a robbery of epic proportions. The scary thing is, I think most of them actually believe their own rhetoric, and they no doubt figure that the rich are rich because God loves them and is rewarding them. Want to get elected in North America? Here's your platform: I will cut taxes! I will reduce spending! I will improve your social services! I will fight crime on our streets! I will clamp down on welfare cheats and crack users! I will defend our institutions of freedom at home and abroad! Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. But it sounds marvelous, doesn't it? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST,JTT Date: 30 Oct 03 - 12:40 PM A small coda: When Bill Clinton has sex with people he's not supposed to, it's bad. When Arnie does it it's good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Don Firth Date: 30 Oct 03 - 01:22 PM And when Bush screws the whole nation, it's-- Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah.) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Amos Date: 30 Oct 03 - 01:23 PM Maybe Arnie's just better at it? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: jimmyt Date: 30 Oct 03 - 03:34 PM I work, pay my taxes, put money in the offering at church, put my children through college, pay my bills, try to be kind and sensitive to my environment and citizen's of the earth, and in addition I am a folk musician. I am not ovwerly religious and rarely bring God up in a conversation. I am also a Republican Always interesting that such a "politically correct" group as you, can absolutely tee off on someone else's political leanings with absolutely no regard as to whether or not it is as generalizing and stereotyping as saying all Jews are pawnbrokers or all Gypsies are cheats, etc I read thread after thread here where everyone tiptoes around on eggshells trying to be "sensitive" to people of different skin, religion or ethnicity. This is almost a joke the way you manage to rush headlong with reckless abandon at a different political persuasion. Just an observation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:01 PM I partly agree with jimmyt there - there are so many reasons why people, looking at the political parties around, might settle for one rather than another, and most parties are such broad and shambolic coalitions of people who agree on some things and not on others. I could never divide people into those I respect and like and those I despise and dislike, just on the basis of political affiliation, any more than on any of the other labels jimmyt mentions. Mind, there's a difference between things that you can't change, such as what colour you are, or where you come from, and things that are your own choice, such as politics, or even religion. But it's not a difference that means everything goes. However I think it's generally fair to be unfair about politicians of every shade. They've put themselves deliberately in the firing line, for good motives maybe as well as bad ones, but they knew what they were getting into. And they tend to hand it out pretty freely towards their opponents. Anyway, I hope that jimmyt would make the same objection when it came to people with his own political views attacking the people he disagrees with. And I'm quite willing to believe that he would, on the basis of what he writes there. (And I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what a "possessed" body movement looks like. I'm just curious.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:10 PM jimmyt - very well said - |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: jimmyt Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:14 PM Mc Grath, I have strongly opposed the political persecution of Liberal Politics as strenuously as I have the right wingers. I guess I can agree that if this or other threads are strictly picking on the POLITICIANS, of which many are pretty sorry on either side of the aisle. It is the attack on the entire political party and by doing so are as much as directing it at me personally that I don't like. Good Lord, MC GRATH AND I AGREE ON SOMETHING!!! I may start a thread! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST,pdc Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:39 PM Jimmyt, you probably understand that most people criticize on the basis of stereotypes. Given that Republican Bush is running the US at the present time, the temptation to give in to stereotype thinking is almost overwhelming, as he is the consummate stereotypical rightwinger. Couple that with what he has done to the country, and the urge to "bash" rightwingers becomes almost obligatory, out of a strong sense of frustration. If the next President of the US was a moderate, decent Republican, I think you would see attacks on rightwingers diminish sharply. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Bill D Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:44 PM McGrath...I can't TYPE a 'possessed body movement'..only *grins*, but they can be anything from a jerky head movement with eyes closed, as if having a petite mal, to a clenching of the fists as the head tilts back and the mouth opens widely, as if gasping for breath. The implication is that 'something' extraordinary is guiding your movements. It takes LOTS of practice and watching televangelists to do it so it doesn't look like 'ol Beelzebub had got you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:54 PM JimmyT, it goes back to Lincoln--the "you can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time." There are politicians who thrive on figuring out ways to fool enough people into thinking they are legitimately going to do what they say that they get elected, and then do a lot of damage before they're kicked out again. Ronald Reagan is a template for our time, with all of his deregulation and letting all of his pals get rich. He had coat tails long enough that quite a few of his cronies are still around, and Dubya is trying to out-Reagan Reagan. And seems to be doing a marvelous job. People from all parties have at times managed to enrich themselves, but it seems that in the past century the republicans have had the upper hand at it. This has nothing to do with us little folks who call ourselves Republicans or Democrats. It has everything to do with industry, lobbyists, the corruption of power, and a lot of people not paying attention in civics class who continue to not pay attention when they go to the polls. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Amos Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:59 PM JimmyT: Apologies if you got inadvertantly tarred with the wrong brush. I posted it in reference to the more rapacious sort of Republican, the kind that starts wars unilaterally. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: jimmyt Date: 30 Oct 03 - 05:10 PM So, Stilly RIver Stage, By This am I to understand that I didn't pay attention in Civics class? As I remember I got an A, as well as in Political Science and American Government. You must understand that as in art, 2 people can look at the same painting or situation in the government or economy etc and derive totally different thoughts,and neither is necessarily wrong, nor is the other necessarily smarter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 03 - 05:21 PM God, that sounds scary, Bill D. Bush is paying a state visit to London in a couple of weeks. If he tries something like that while he's here, it'll either be the men in white coats or an exorcism - probably in Buckingham Palace. There are limits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Don Firth Date: 30 Oct 03 - 07:11 PM JimmyT, the problem may be that classic definitions have shifted. Believe it or not, people used to regard me as somewhat conservative. Over the years my views haven't really changed that much. But the whole spectrum has shifted so far to the right within recent decades that when I express some of the same views I expressed years ago, now I find myself being called a "flaming liberal." And although I have voted for Republican candidates in the past, I have not done so recently. Nor will I. And I am not alone in this. I know a number of people who, at one time considered themselves to be Republicans or who, at least, regularly voted Republican, who feel that Bush has made such a pig's breakfast of things that they cannot, in good conscience, continue to vote Republican. On the other hand, I know some people of the Republican persuasion who are very apprehensive about the rightward shift of the nation's policies, but they are so caught up in the idea of being Republican and so loathe to put themselves in the position where someone might call them that dreaded epithet "liberal" that they continue to support Bush even though it wrenches their best instincts to do so. If you honestly compare the philosophy of main-stream Republicans with the position taken by the Bush administration, you will see the quandary this rightward shift puts many Republicans in. I only hope they will follow their best instincts instead of the current reactionary party line. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Little Hawk Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:03 PM Sure thing, JimmyT...totally legitimate point you have made there. I'm actually fed up with ALL the political parties, not just the Republicans. And I'm fed up with the party system of politics. I don't think "divide and conquer" is a good way to govern a nation, but that is exactly what is being done everywhere where party politics is practiced. The very nature of such a combative system leads to false campaign promises, phony tax cuts (that rob Peter to pay Paul) and dirty tactics by all the parties. It's not good. It will one day be seen as having been a very foolish way to organize a supposedly "free" society. Consensus is better than the triumph of one special interest group over another. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:07 PM "But the whole spectrum has shifted so far to the right within recent decades that when I express some of the same views I expressed years ago, now I find myself being called a "flaming liberal." And what do you think they'd call Abraham Lincoln? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST,John Hardly Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:48 PM I couldn't agree more, jimmyT. Well said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Bobert Date: 30 Oct 03 - 11:14 PM Hey, ain't nuthin' about the code... "I am not a crook.... I am not a crook... I am not a crook... I am not a crook... I am..................... .... and the crook beat goes on... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Oct 03 - 11:58 PM Yeah, but in many ways Tricky Dick seems mild by comparison. No, Jimmyt, I did not say you didn't pay attention in civics class. But I will suggest that you're thinking along binary lines, instead of recognizing a range of possibilities, and that I didn't necessarily include you in that explanation. By suggesting a couple of scenarios that doesn't mean there aren't many more stops on this sliding scale between the rapacious and the knee-jerk Bubba who doesn't evaluate the slogans he is using to decide who to vote for. It is amazing how few votes it can take the tip the scales, and the sloganeers bank on that. Literally. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST,Larry K Date: 31 Oct 03 - 11:19 AM Amos: A breif note or rebuttal to your 7 points. Its easy to preach to the converted with a one sided rant, but it does little to convince anyone of anythings or change anyones mind. Here is the other side. 1. Co-Opt God in everything. I seem to remember Bill Clinton carrying a bible and being photographed by the media before he got oral sex that same afternoon with Monica. I don't think this is only a republican issue. At least (by all accounts) Bush his sincere in his belief in God. The same cannot be said for many other politicians. It is the democrats and ACLU trying to take God and the 10 commandments out of the schools and courts. 2. Stick to the official story- Don't let the truth out. "I never had sex with that woman" Bob Torecelli scandals kept quiet. LBJ revelations recently that he knew we were loosing Vietnam and lied to the people. Dick Morris and Bill planning a family values campaign while he was getting his foot sucked by prostittues. Susan Estrich stated on tv that Hillary knew she was lying when she went on tv and denied Monica stating it was a right wing conspiracy. Another issue not owned exclusively by either party. 3. Bush is only president- Florida- Back to selected not elected. The best way for democrats to keep losing elections is to stick to this mantra. The story would have more credibility if every recount done afterwards didn't show that Bush still won the election. (When the New York Times admits that Bush has won, you know its time to give up the ghost) 4. Liberal Media- If you read Ann Coulters book "Libel" or Bernard Goldbergs book "media bias" you couldn't possibly defend this charge. Here is a game to play. At the next election count the number of times the media introduces a Republican as either Republican or extremist, or right wing. Than count the number of times they introduce the Democrat by the same means- Democrat or extremist, or Liberal. You will find a 20 to 1 ratio. By the way- fox news keeps on growing. CNN and CBS news keep on shrinking. The american public is sending a message. And yes- Barbara Steishands husband playing Ronald Regan on a CBS movie. Lets have Rush Limbaugh play Bill Clinton in a movie. 5. Michael Moore- Check the Larry Elder website and others for all the lies and inconsistencies in the movie. According to police reports, the two kids were in a bowling class, but skipped school and did not attend the class the morning of the movie. The kids parents didn't make bombs, they made communication satellites. When Moore was asked about it, he said "well they may make bombs in the future" Very lame response to a mistake in the movie. When the hollywood crowd at the acadamy awards boo a liberal, it says something. Quite frankly, Moore, Sharpton, and Franken are an ambarrassment to the Democratic party and I hope they continue to get huge media coverage. 6. Hillary- Failed at education in Arkansas. Failed out Healthcare in 1994. Has done nothing for upstate NY. Lied about a right wing conspiracy. Lied about cattle futures. I give up. Convince me on something she has done other than being Bill's wife. Ok Ok- she has voted for every tax increase that she could. 7. Bill- Plus side- a great economy. That is the mantra. He gave us a great economy. How did he do that. Most people can't tell you a single thing he did to benefit the economy but they give him the credit. All we can point to is a tax increase very similar to the one Bush 41 gave us in 1990 whicl Bill claimed resulted in the worst economy in 50 years. The facts. According to all economists the economy had rebounded and was strong in the last year of Bush 41. Clinton inherited a good economy,it stayed strong for 6 years (we'll talk about that later) through the internet bubble, and that had a recession in the last year of the Clinton term. The Nasqac fell by 50% during the last year of clinton. Those are the positives. The negative. Sommalia disgrace- Ossama cites. this as his belief that americans are weak. Clinton turned down Ossama 4 separate times. (several books on subject) Was lied to by North Koreans- surpize we have nuclear weapons. Did nothing for Sadaam. Boosted Yassar (the terrorist) Araftat. (Arafat was the most frequent visitor in the Clinton white house- a fact) Released the FLAN puerto rican terrorists to gain votes for Hillary. Gave nuclear secrets to chinese. Sold the Lincoln bedroom. Lowered the morale standards for the country. Bacically, an inpeached, disbarred, perjurer. And that has nothing to do with sex. Sex was his least offence. I liken it to convicting Al Capone on tax evation. The amazing thing is that When Clinton was elected, the democrats had the house, senate, governers, and the presidency. Today they have none of those and people still love the Clintons. The Clintons campaigned hard in the 2002 elections and 7 or their 8 candidates lost. They helped Grey Davis. He lost. And Democrats still continue to love the Clintons. I don't get it. The only ones the Clintons help is themselves. The democratic party is broke but the Clinton Library is thriving. Well at least there is another view. Isn't diversity great. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Amos Date: 31 Oct 03 - 11:33 AM Thanks, Larry. ALways nice to know there is more than one point of view around. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Oct 03 - 02:00 PM But it wasn't very funny was it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Rapparee Date: 31 Oct 03 - 05:49 PM My brother is a Republican who acts as an independent. I'm independent, voting for the person who seems best to me regardless of political party. But I offer these names from the not-too-distant past: Richard Allen, James Watt, William Clark, Paul Thayer, Raymond Donovan, Ed Meese, Michael Deaver, Albert Hakim, Richard Secord, John Poindexter, and the suit Marine, Oliver North. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Don Firth Date: 31 Oct 03 - 06:19 PM Not to belabor my point above (30 Oct 03 - 07:11 PM) about the major shift to the right in the Republican position, but to put the matter a bit more graphically, in 1961, President Dwight D. Eisenhower, a Republican, warned of the dangers inherent in the military-industrial complex when he said:— Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.The Bush administration IS the military-industrial complex. Don Firth Eisenhower's entire speech, well worth reading by liberals and conservatives alike. On the military-industrial complex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Bill D Date: 31 Oct 03 - 06:35 PM "If you read Ann Coulters book "Libel"....ummmm...right. The lady who would make Rush Limbaugh sound liberal. I'll sure run right out and immerse myself in THAT! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: kendall Date: 31 Oct 03 - 08:19 PM The first article talked about the republican party. The other side could only mention a few names. Hardly a balanced report. Another point, you say Liberals love the Clintons? BS! I/m as Liberal as any, and I have no use for either of them. Now, if you want to make a list of bad democrats and a list of bad republicans... well, you already know which would be the longer list. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST,Claymore Date: 31 Oct 03 - 11:13 PM And to add to the mix, the Republican tax cut just slammed into the economy giving us the highest growth rate (7.2%) in the US economy since 1984 (Reagan years). As for co-opting God, does anyone remember that when faced with the stained dress, Clinton brought in Jesse Jackson as "his spiritual advisor". And that Jackson showed up with a whore, who at that time was carrying Jackson's child. Also the Washington Post has been one of the strongest supporters of the Iraq War, recently posting a full page editorial, "Why Bush is still right" about the correctness of why we went to Iraq, and todays editorial about the Ramadan Offensive, in which they praise the Presidents "strategery" of "rooting them out" and requesting more troops to Iraq along with passing the Iraq reconstruction request. As Bobert knows, that ain't the same Washington Post we knew in our salad days. I think they finally got a lick o' sense. And as I have written many times... ain't facts a bitch |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST,pdc Date: 01 Nov 03 - 02:18 AM Claymore said: "And that Jackson showed up with a whore, who at that time was carrying Jackson's child." Could you provide evidence for your statement that this woman was a whore, please? Otherwise you are committing slander, which is an offence under the law. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Greg F. Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:43 AM Not to worry, pdc. If you read Claymore's posting history it will be abundantly clear to you that his precious "facts"- as he calls them- tend to be somewhat elastic to cover his purposes. Just skip on ahead..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Rapparee Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:51 AM Claymore, while I respect your statements, I should point out that economists think that the 7.2% surge in the GDP was due to the money people got back for the "child tax rebate" and that there will be a significant braking action on the GDP in the next quarter because that money will be gone. Yes, the tax cuts might be working, but I'd wait a couple more quarters before saying that they are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST,pdc Date: 01 Nov 03 - 12:16 PM The CBC news called it a "jobless recovery." Unless employment rises significantly, the recovery cannot last. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: Forum Lurker Date: 01 Nov 03 - 01:00 PM I wasn't aware that any recovery had taken place. Jobs are still being lost, not made, prices and tuition are rising, salaries aren't, and the deficit's growing. Oh, I see. The rich are getting richer, so the economy OVERALL is increasing, even though most people with only 5 figures in their income are getting poorer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: kendall Date: 01 Nov 03 - 03:40 PM Bush is saying that the economy has "turned the corner"..well, it sure as hell didn't leave any skid marks around here. The last Maine shoe manufacturer just moved to Mexico. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST,Claymore Date: 01 Nov 03 - 08:13 PM The lady in question was a staff worker (not his wife) who was paid to provide sex for Jackson; thatsa a ho in anybodies book. For several years after, she was given something like $60,000 a year from an illegal fund as hush money. Thatsa a Democrat in anybodies book ( a good Rebublican would have gotten much more);) And being a good Democrat, Jackson took a few days off for "spritual rejuvination" Talk about invoking God... Sorry about Maine, but here in West Va I just got $10,000 promotion and made a federal employee for moving the Job Training completions on my Job Corps Center from 114th to 4th in the Nation, in one year. 84% of my students are the school drop-outs from Philly, B-more and DC. And when the bus arrives on the Center and they process through Security, I greet them at the top of my lungs. "Ladies and Gentlemen, I intend to make sure that that is the last free bus ride you get in your lives". Maybe I should yell louder... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: kendall Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:28 PM Thats great, but this country runs on manufacturing, not services. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: kendall Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:36 PM Anyone with more than a teaspoon full of brains can see that this country can not maintain its position as a super power when all the manufacturing jobs have gone south, and we are reduced to flipping each others hamburgers for minimum wage. L.L. Bean still charges $40.00 for a shirt made in India. The profit margin is out of reason. We are screwed buying that shirt and the poor bastard who made it is screwed even worse. Now, justify this if you can. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: jimmyt Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:52 PM what if you like the shirt? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Code of a Good Republican From: GUEST,Claymore Date: 01 Nov 03 - 11:17 PM OK, while there has been a bit of a thread creap here, I still have to point out that whether or not any clothing manufacturing jobs go south, it means nothing to us as a world power... absolutely nothing. There are core industries, such as air craft and areospace, weapons technology, information technology, transportation networking, healthcare research, etc. which do. Those jobs which are low skill and repetative need to go south, to force such countries such as Mexico to train and augment their work force and reduce our immigrant influx. We are in a world economy, which President Clinton knew well when he signed NAFTA (a VERY inconvenient fact for Democrats). As Bob Dylan sang, "Please get out of the way if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing". And for those who can't change, they will end their days staring out to sea for jobs that are never coming back. As for the shirt, right now there is a clever manufacturer in Bumfuck, Eygpt, who is working on a cheaper way to produce a better shirt, after he saw L.L Beans on the Internet. Now if he can just find a way to get it to market... which will require American planes, American fabric manufacturing software, American distribution networking, American advertising on American media... It doesn't take a teaspoon of brains to get the picture... just point and click... |
