BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 10:18 AM

What economic model? They support corporations and being screwed by corporations at the same time. They are too incoherent to have an economic model.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 01:56 PM

Canard:    If you cut taxes on the rich, they will increase their investment in corporations, and if you reduce taxes on corporations, this double-barreled infusion of money will give the corporations the necessary funds to invest in new products, and this, in turn, creates more jobs.

Truth:    When corporations have more funds, within recent decades, they use these funds to develop programming and equipment in order to automate assembly lines and routine work, enabling them to reduce the number of workers.

Rather than creating jobs, reduction of taxes on the wealthy and the corporations enables them to trim down their payrolls. This, plus "outsourcing," to countries where labor is cheap, is the current business model.

Don Firth

P. S. "Trickle down" is simple enough to understand. It means someone is peeing on your head.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 01:58 PM

"When corporations have more funds, within recent decades, they use these funds to develop programming and equipment in order to automate assembly lines and routine work, enabling them to reduce the number of workers. "

So, we should return to sweatshops and 14 hour days????

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: John P
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 02:18 PM

So, we should return to sweatshops and 14 hour days????
beardedbruce, when you say things like this you lose your debate. Putting words in other peoples' mouths just doesn't cut it.

How about a law that says that anything that gets sold in the United States has to be manufactured, sold, shipped, and supported by people who work according to U.S. labor laws? The short-sightedness of sending all our jobs overseas is astonishing. They lost their customers! People who don't have jobs can't afford to buy things, even inexpensive things made with slave labor in third world countries. What idiots!

One of the reasons we had to pass a health care bill was that way too many of us lost our health care because having insurance is tied to having a job, and most of the jobs are gone.

Why does anyone think we should go back to the Republican economic model after that model caused the last couple years of financial meltdown? Not that I think the Democratic model is much better, but at least they want to keep the billionaires from stealing money so blatantly.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 02:22 PM

"Putting words in other peoples' mouths just doesn't cut it."



Then ALL those comments about what Republicans "want" mean what???
No comment about them, I note.



Or do you just think your statement applies to one side?

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 02:31 PM

Leave it to Bruce to twist it all out of shape.

Example:   The Boeing Airplane Company. When I worked there in the late 60s and early 70s, I was one of 125 Production Illustrators doing installation drawings to be used on the assembly line. Recently, I talked to someone who currently works in Boeing's Production Illustration department. Now, all that is being done by 12 people with no particular drawing skills working at computers.

And much of the sub-assembly work that used to be done in the United States, mostly by Boeing itself, is now done overseas and shipped here. [Do you really want to fly in an aircraft that has essential parts--like the wings--to be made by the lowest bidder?]

It was hardly a "sweat shop." We all wore shirts and ties and worked in a well-lighted (and air conditioned) room at large drawing tables. Damned good pay and benefits. And any time we worked for more than 8 hours five days a week, we got paid overtime. In the first quarter of 1968, I worked lots of overtime (time-and-a-half) and on weekends (double time), and in three months I'd made enough money to pay cash for a new car.

"Sweat shop" my arse!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 02:33 PM

Reagan inherited the mess that Carter created out of thin air. The hangover from the Carter administration.

Carters approval rating was the lowest of any prez except Trueman.

Anyway it is a pendulum swing. Bad times lead to good times that lead to bad times.

Now these folks that got nowhere during the Reagan administration, did they start and end in the same percentile? Did some of them move up and were replaced by others just starting out working? did this possibly happen in all percentiles including the top?

Is that figured into the big bad proof of everything indexed stats?

I know as I proceeded through life, my income rose faster than inflation.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 02:38 PM

Off yur meds again Sawz? tsk tsk
The Republican Party is so discredited to the poorest base that something like a tea party needed to be invented as an alternative for religious conservatives even though it is still under the thumb of Republican party chiefs.



-------------------------------
to the tune springtime for hitler
intro...

republicans were in deep shit
what a sad sad story
needed a new party to restore
its former glory
Where oh where could it be
they looked from sea to sea
Dick Army looked around
and then he found
a group for you and me

[and the white girls sing...]
CHORUS
and    now    its
Springtime for Repubs and tea parties
Winter for Barak and Feds
We will reload and threaten death
We are all tired of massive debt (unless its your debt)

Springtime for fox news and tea parties
Right wing is happy and gay (no way)
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out here comes a whiter race.

Springtime for Repubs and Tea Parties
Our lands a fine land once more
Springtime for Big Oil and Multi nats
Com' on Corportions go into your dance...

spoken:
Don't be stupid be a smarty come and join a new tea party
Foreigners will give big bucks if we stiff those union f**ks
Com'on now Don't be a jerk lets outsource all our work

And now its Springtime for Big Oil and billionaires
Its time to apologize to me
Springtime for Repubs and tea parties
Means that
Soon well be going
WQe've got to be going
You bet we'll be going
You know we'' be going to WAR!!







PS
Lets not be too disrepectfull of BB abd Doug R and their friends.
After all, for them to hold thier right wing beliefs to be in their best interests they must have a minimum of $6 million dollars as well as property wealth. Thats enough coin to make trouble for any middle class person living month to month.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 02:39 PM

"enabling them to reduce the number of workers." enabling them to reduce costs and avoid moving the work offshore.

Maybe people that have actually been in manufacturing know a little more about the subject.

Also people can decide to buy stuff that is made offshore or onshore.

"Well boys, XYZ corp is importing widgets made in ElCheapostan and we can't compete. Or widget sales are drying up. What can we do to make them cheaper and keep this place going?

Can we decrease the cost of production some how or do we need to shut down and get our widgets made in ElCheaperstan?"

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 02:46 PM

"The Republican Party is so discredited to the poorest base that something like a tea party needed to be invented as an alternative for religious conservatives even though it is still under the thumb of Republican party chiefs."

This is gibberish to me. Did that come with somww sort of a happy meal game? Was it a line from the Thunderdome movie?

Try to punctuate and structure your sentences so they mean something.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: John P
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 03:04 PM

Then ALL those comments about what Republicans "want" mean what???
No comment about them, I note.

Well, no, no comment about them. Here's the difference: People say "The Republicans did so and so", and this can be checked and debated. What you did was accuse Don of advocating the return to 14 hour days and sweatshops, which he was VERY obviously not doing. You are accusing someone you are actually talking to of saying something they didn't say. If you can't see the difference between that and making general comments in a political debate, that's fine, but don't expect anyone to take anything you say seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:04 PM

Public service announcement on NC Tea Party today : "Even if you don't know what the candidates stand for or understand the issues you should vote"...

I rest my case...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: LadyJean
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:30 PM

I clean a house that once had a staff.
The house was built sometime between 1910 and 1920. It still has a bell in the kitchen that would summon housemaids to various rooms in the house. The back stairs are still there, that the servants once used so their comings and goings would not disturb the family. Upstairs on the third floor there are small rooms, that were once the servants' quarters.

The first woman who lived there possibly cooked a meal once a week, and might have done some sewing. Everything else was done by other women who considered themselves fortunate to live in someone else's house, and work 10 to 12 hours a day for a few dollars a week.

Roosevelt's New Deal, post World War II prosperity, that moved blue collar workers into the middle class,the Civil Rights Movement meant women could chose a better life than being the hired help.

I think what conservatives really want is a return to those good old days, when good help was anything but hard to find. It must have been very nice to be the lady of that house once upon a time. I can tell you, from experience. It is not nice to be the person who cleans said home.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:31 PM

Bobert

I don't recall your comment on "We have to vote for the bill to find out what it says."

Please remind me how you objected to Pelosi saying THAT.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:38 PM

Sorry, bruce, but yer gonna have to humm a few more bars... I don't recollect that???

Yeah, LadyJean, what we have seen along with the demise of the iddle/working class is also the demise of the union movement...

I can't tell you how it make me feel when my son-in-laws, all loyal Repub voters, tell me what they are goin' thru in their jobs... They have become the new slave-labor class... Is is painfull to hear what the corporate pigs are putting' all 3 of them thru... It should be criminal...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 09:11 PM

Many Tea Partiers suffer from the Hugh Hefner Syndrome. He sold Playboy Magazine not to the well-heeled or the economically elite but by the poor working stiff who wanted to become the bunny-chasing bon vivant.

The Tea Partiers often defend the corporate masters because they want to become them and entertain some delusion that somehow they might be included into their inner circle.

Bush even tried that ploy by purposely misusing the English language to get working-class people to believe that he was one of them when in fact he was born with lots of money and privilege, and was not a Texas cowboy but a Kennebunkport idle rich kid.
He had no intention of helping out middle and lower class families. In a talk to the wealthy businessmen he called them "his base".

All the poor deluded people loved Bush. "He made it, so can I!" Only in America Myth
Number One.

It's not "about economy, stupid". (I don't mean you Bobert, we're on the same page) It's about a misplaced ideology that has the seeds of its own destruction built in. The Tea Partiers will never become the Koch Brothers or Dick Armey They embrace the corporations who in turn will take great pleasure in screwing them (probably from behind so they won't know who is doing it.)

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 09:29 PM

"The Tea Partiers will never become the Koch Brothers or Dick Armey They embrace the corporations who in turn will take great pleasure in screwing them (probably from behind so they won't know who is doing it.) "

Americans think they are pretty poor and are going to get rich by some wonderful good luck - including just working hard. Aussies think they are more or less rich and may suddenly become desperately poor by an unexpected uncontrolled twist of fate no matter how hard they work.

Which is why the Yank culture (including 2nd rate and failed Yank political advisors and businessmen) falls flat on its face here when it thinks that Australia is the same and acts accordingly.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Oct 10 - 09:51 PM

Righto, Strings...

Dick Armey and Co. drew all this up on paper and it has worked to perfection for them... Dumbass, clueless people out there defending Boss Hog without the slightest idea that Boss Hog couldn't care less about them... Other then them votes...

Morons...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:15 AM

BTW, the Repubs are now blocking an Obama initiative to create 8 think-tanks that would be set up in various parts of the country that would deal with creative energy issues... You know, kinda like the 60's moon-shot think tank that was assembled after Kennedy announced our goal of going to the moon....

The worst part about this is that each would be funded to the tune of $20M, which is a drop in the bucket but, if successful could pay huge dividends for our oil-addicted and under-employed nation???

I just don't get it???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:09 AM

The whole point B, is like the Aussie Liberal Party. They have a Divine Right to Rule, so if they are not running things, then they have a Divine Right to Obstruct.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:54 AM

Yeah, f-troupe... The Repbs **say** they are concerned about unemployment and trade deficits but then block initiatives that would address those exact issues???

Go figure???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:06 AM

Initiatives or Dreams? 800 Billion has already been pissed away and where are the jobs?

Yeah there are some happy turtles down in Florida because they got a nice new $3 million plus tunnel to crawl through so they don't have to cross the road any more.

So we need more and more turtle tunnels that those mean old republicans don't want. Otherwise it's Thunderdome time.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:02 PM

Yo, Sawz...

You answered the jobs question in the same post that you asked it...

Want a hint???






















Who built the tunnels???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:14 PM

"**say** they are concerned about unemployment and trade deficits but then block initiatives that would address those exact issues"

US politics no longer has anything to do with 'serving the people' - like professional sport, professional politics is Big Business, whose only Mission is to be re-elected, in order to keep their snouts in the Public Trough - and con as many 'tips' from their rich mates as possible. It's useful to have few public minded Fools wander in from time to time, as it helps keep the voters conned that there is any 'Public Service' in Politics.

Subject: TEA PARTY APPROVED !
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:14 PM

GRAPHIC I MADE FOR RACHEL MADDOW

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:29 PM

Who benefited from the turtle tunnel after it was built? Humans or turtles?

How about a nice school instead? Maybe feed some hungry kids?

Yep, Thunderdome is here it's people VS turtles an Bobert roots fer the turtles.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 07:52 PM

If you kill off the turtles, you may well kill of the systems that give you food and oxygen.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:02 PM

Meanwhile, looks as if Unions are pouring cash into attack ads against Republicans without having to say who they are??? Hmmmmmmm???

I thought the poor pitiful unions were just barely scraping along and needed a bailout.

Maybe that is how it works, you take care of me and I will bail you out.

See you at the Thunderdome

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:06 PM

The banks needed the bailouts. They got it.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 08:08 PM

WSJ:

General Motors Co. has begun to once again contribute to political campaigns, lifting a self-imposed ban on political spending put in place during the auto maker's U.S.-financed bankruptcy restructuring last year. [Remember GM is an international corporation that makes money overseas]

The Detroit company gave $90,500 to candidates running in the current election cycle, Federal Election Commission records show.

The beneficiaries include Midwestern lawmakers, mostly Democrats, who have traditionally supported the industry's legislative agenda on Capitol Hill, including Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, and Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich. The list also includes Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor, the House Republican Whip, who would likely assume a top leadership post if Republicans win control of the House in November.

It isn't unusual for big companies like GM to spend on political campaigns, but complicating GM's situation is that the company is majority-owned by the U.S. government. GM is planning to return to the public stock markets later this year, allowing the U.S. to begin to sell off its roughly 61 percent stake in the company.

GM, Proud sponsor of Thunderdome

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:08 PM

"The banks needed the bailouts. They got it."

GM and Chrysler needed ?? and they got ??

Their pension funds were ??

The GM stock and bond holders, read pension funds, got ???

The GM investors got a free ticket to Thunder Dome.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Oct 10 - 09:16 PM

Well, saws... You asked about jobs...

What??? Did they pay the turtles to did the tunnels???

I mean, you logic is, ahhhhhh, bogus...

Every dollar that goes into the economy is job producing unless someone steals that dollar and stashes it under their mattress...

Man, you said you don't understand economics... You have seriously convinced me that that statement is true... No offense, but you really would benefit from some education... No, not rocket surgery... Just the basics... Like Econ 201... Yeah, I know that Econ is 2 sememsters at most community college 'cause I took 'um both but, geeze....

Okay, howaboutz 001 Econ... That's kinda like remedial Econ... Hey, they'll teach you to balance yer check book and maybe you'll get some of this other stuff, too... Hey, it's a start...

$90,000 from GM, ya' say??? Oh, how scarey... But, at least, GM stepped up and disclosed... How about the hundreds of millions that are being spent by Boss Hog which yer boy Sam Alito says is fine to spend to defeat Democrats without having to disclose???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 11:13 AM

So Bobert, it is OK for American taxpayer money to be spent on political campaigns benefiting one political party?

My question was who benefited from the tunnel after it was built? Please be more observant and logical.

"you said you don't understand economics" Where did I say that perfessor? You offer to show people things and refuse to answer questions. Then you reinstate your superior knowledge of rare facts like "Haiti where 1% owns all the wealth"

And who said anything about killing off the turtles?

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 11:45 AM

Public debt owned by foreigners has increased to approximately 50% of the total or approximately $3.4 trillion. As a result, nearly 50% of the interest payments are now leaving the country, which is different from past years when interest was paid to U.S. citizens holding the public debt. Interest expenses are projected to grow dramatically as the U.S. debt increases and interest rates rise from very low levels in 2009 to more typical historical levels. CBO estimates that nearly half of the debt increases over the 2009-2019 period will be due to interest.

Check one: ☐ Flawed? ☐ Not Flawed?

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 03:05 PM

Bruce and Sawz, educate yourselves.

At one time, there were lots of sweat shops in the United States. But not so many any more. The corporations have moved them all overseas. It seems to me that a combination of government regulation along with modifications of our tax structure could modify this substantially.

The Production Illustration job I had at Boeing was covered by SPEEA, the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace. If I were actually required to work 14 hours in a given day, the company would have had to pay me triple time!

SPEEA is a union.

One job I had was at a radio station in eastern Washington State. My board shift started at 6:00 a.m. and lasted until I had done the noon news. Then I turned it over to the next announcer. I was then required to go to one of the production rooms and tape the commercials that had been left in my box. This involved voicing the commercial copy, sometimes complete with sound effects and music, which I was required to find and select from the station record library. When I had finished the commercials, I went to the front office to write commercial copy, including the accounts that the time salesmen bought in that needed to be on the air the following morning. My official quitting time was 5:00 p.m. That's an eleven hour day!   More often than not, one or more salesmen would arrive at five minutes to five with fact sheets from clients. I had to take these fact sheets, turn them into commercial copy, and go back into the production room and produce them, so they would go out on the air first thing in the morning.

Often, I wasn't able to get out of the station until 9:00 p.m. or later! And by the way, there were no lunch or dinner breaks. If I wanted to eat, I had to bring sack lunches and eat on the fly! This was seven days a week. The schedule on the weekends was slight different, but not much.

Now hear this!! My salary was $525 a month! I worked there for one year, from fall 1972 to fall 1973. Then I moved back to Seattle.

This particular station was non-union.

[When I worked as a technical writer under contract to the Bonneville Power Administration—residential weatherization program (conservation)—in the late 1980s, I made as much money per week as I did at KORD in a month!]

When I came back to Seattle, I went to work for a local classical music station. I worked from 6:00 a.m. until noon, five days a week, announcing and playing classical music, along with reading a few program notes on the music. I would also read a few commercials and five minutes of news at the top of the hour. I was not required to produce commercials (although I actually did enjoy doing that, but not when I had already put in a long air-shift and hadn't had a chance to grab a bite of lunch). Five days a week, six hours a day, along with the prestige that went with being part of the on-the-air personnel at this particular station—plus frequent perks:   lots of free concert tickets.

At this job, once again I was making as much per week as I had made per month at the eastern Washington station.

This station was covered by AFTRA, which I joined. The American Federation of Television and Radio Artists. A union.

There's a lesson in there, Bruce and Sawz. You two figure it out!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 06:48 PM

The lesson is for the Unions to figure out. Until then they will sink deeper and deeper in their own shit and whine for somebody to bail them out when they milk their cash cow dry.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 09:09 PM

Is it okay to publicaly finance elections???

Yes, yes, yes...

BTW, Swaz and Co... If Page County, Va. pays $10M to build a factory for Boss Hog that factory is a taxable assest... If China builds the same factory in China to steal more of out American jobs it isn't... That is out tax code... Not China's... And guess who that crap got but into our tax codes???

Don First is absolutely correct in that the American worker has been obsoleted by a combination of very bad tax policy here and the rest of the worl perfectly willing to dance with Boss Hog and recreate the working conditions that existed here in the US of A a hundred years ago... Bttom line: no jobs here unless we roll the minimum wage back to $20 a day!!!

You want that, Sawz??? You want people breaking into yer house to feed their kids... You want 40%, 50% poverty... You wnat massive homelessness.. You want the Thunderdome???

Well, the policies that you seem to favor and the folks who want them are all for that...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 12:31 PM

There you go again. You cherry pick the question.

"So Bobert, it is OK for American taxpayer money to be spent on political campaigns benefiting one political party?"

As for bad tax code Obama is announcing tax credits to businesses for new equipment. Hmmmmmmmmm. Automated equipment? Job killers?

Me thinks so and where is said automated equipment made? Asia?

Yer doin' a heckuva job Barry.

At least he could say tax credits for equipment made in the USA and ameliorate part of the job losses this will cause.

"The president outlined a proposal for $200 billion in business tax cuts on Sept. 7. It would allow businesses to write off 100 percent of new investments in plants and equipment made between now and the end of 2011. While conservative economists and outlets like the Wall Street Journal are backing the plan, labor-backed economists are not as supportive.

Robert Reich, Secretary of Labor during the Clinton administration, ripped the president's plan for the investment tax breaks, saying, "Big corporations are investing in automated equipment, robotics, numerically-controlled machine tools, and software. These investments are designed to boost profits by permanently replacing workers and cutting payrolls. The tax breaks Obama is proposing would make such investments all the more profitable."

Check one: ☐ Flawed? ☐ Not Flawed?

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 01:57 PM

Wrong end of the stick as usual, Sawz.

Just as a matter of amusement, I notice that up until now, you have posted 2,172 times, starting almost exactly two years ago, and NOT ONCE have you posted to a music thread above the line.

Strictly here to hawk conservative politics to the hippy folk singers, right?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 03:51 PM

I that what you are? A hippy folk singer?

Are you interested in only hearing from people that agree with you?

I see up at the top mudcat forum and non music threads.


On top of old Smokey

All covered with snow

I found a Hippy Sanger

Who didn't want to know

Any other opinions

Except for his own

Because he was obviously

A left wing drone.

How's that?

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:42 PM

"At least he could say tax credits for equipment made in the USA"

He can't. Not allowed to by Big Business - who support all Politicians, no matter what name their bunch of clowns has. Big business doesn't want that at all. Period.

Big business just wants to be able to export jobs to the the lowest cost location. Period.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 07:44 PM

Must be nice to have such a narrow view of the world, Sawz... I mean, if ignorance is bliss than you must be on complete and total bliss...

Here's the big picture... If the US can fight back into the world market as major expoters and robots make the stuff then what happens is a major shift in out balance of trade... That brings more money into the country... More money into the country, if coupled with some other inititaives that Obama has been pushing, means more eduaction for our people and a greater competitiveness in general...

We have never gotten back our international trade since Reagan stood by with thumbs up his butt and watched China steal our steel industry and Bush I stood by and watched Pakistan and India make off with our textile industry and Clinton stood by an watched Indai and others make off with our customer service jobs...

But the one thing that all thes things have in common is they were all orchestrated by the corportists... Yeah, this recession ain't just a couple years old... It goes back to the 1980s and the Reagan/Mao revolution to bust the union in this country...

How do you like a union busted America with the missle/working class in a 30 year downward spiril and poverty rates on the wat up and all out industries having been handed over to other countries???

That is reality...

So now Obama is some kinda bad guy for actaully sayin' "No more" and trying to stop the bleeding... You were pissed off that he had the balls to manipulate our currency in response to other countries who have been doing it (mainly Clina) kicking our asses??? Then I point out that he is fighting for American jobs and you say that you don't understand economics but continue mean mouth Obama who does understand them and is trying like hell to fight for American jobs...

You are piece of work, Sawz... I mean, eat up igornat on economics and this is all about economics and America is not only losing that battle but ya'll righties are the biggest cheerleaders every time the bad economic news come out... It's one thing to be pissed that yer team ain't in power but quite another to root for the country to do even worse...

That's what I call unAmerican...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 10:49 PM

So to recap Tea Party Econimics 101...

1. Tax cut fir the wealthy because they create jobs... No, they really don't... Top Fortune 500 as flush with cash ($17T) uninvested and so giving them even more cash ain't gonna do squat...

2. Stimilus hasn't created jobs... I mean, how do you argue with retards??? If you put $500B or so into the economy for shovel ready projects someone has to man the shovels.... Of course the stimulis created jobs...

3. The corporations do a better job than the government... Hmmmmmm??? Just ask the millions of working Americans how they liked Boss Hog reniging on the pensions that Boss Hog promised them while they were making Boss Hog a very rich man...

4. Socialism is evil... No, not really... Socialism is kinda the same as civilization... It provides for roads and swage and police and fire fighters and education... Ta ke away those things and you have Haiti...

5. Privatization is wonderful... Oh??? Where do you draw the line??? Let a corrupt government sell the air we breathe and then sell it back to us??? I mean, talk about Mad Max, After the Thunderdome...

6. Rich people are rich because they worked hard... No, 90% of those in the upper 5% were born into the upper 5%... Well, shame on you poor people... You should have picked rich aprents... That's ya'll's bad...

7. You fight deficits with tax cuts... Huh???... Okay, that is like me getting behind on my bills so I figure the best way outta the mess is to quit my job???? I mean, this is some seriously flawed tea...

8. Obama is running up the defict... No, yet another TeaLie... The '09 deficit was 100% on Bush because the incoming president takes on the last presidents budget during the 1st year of his new administration...

9. Well, Obama's 1st budget year is a record $1.3T deficit... Another bogus TeaLie... No, actually the fact is that Obama did reduce the annual deficit from $1.4T... So here we are qagain with Dems being the ones who shrink the defecits... Kinda a patter here going abck 30 years...

10. Well, Obama want's to take your guns away!!! Yeah, when backed into a corner with intellegence and facts Tea Party Nation always reverts to their default position that Obama wants to take their guns way??? What next, Obama is gonna steal yer car??? Molest yer kid??? Burn down yer church???

                        ******NOTE*****

For anyone making it thru Tea Party Econ 101 I'd like to give ya' a pat on the back and 3 credit hours at BobertU... Heck, another 121 hours and you too could be a BobertU grad/alumni

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 11:10 PM

Heard it all before, Sawz. Same old same old.

I believe it was Einstein who said, "The definition of 'insanity' is repeating the same actions over and over again, each time, expecting a different result."

Elect a bunch of Republicans and sooner or later, depression or recession complete with intermittent wars and "police actions." And, of course, the people such as you, who believe that this is just peachy keen as long as corporations and fat cats keep piling up the profits.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 11:23 PM

Well, this brand of Repubs, that is fir sure, Don...

They are unAmerican, ignorant and yeah, mentally deficient if they think that what we need is a few more rounds of voodoo economics... They just about shut dwon the econiomy 2 years ago after a 30 year bout of Reagan econonmics and here we are with them wanting to continue that failed idea...

b~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 08:18 AM

The most interesting thing about Repubs and Tea Baggers is that if they got cancer they sho nuff be finding the smartest folks around to treat them but when it comes to running thr economy it's, "Let Bubba run it"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 12:38 PM

"Not allowed to by Big Business" How so? And if he can't specify why would he do it at all?

Automated equipment is made in the USA too. Why would those companies not let Obama specify made in the USA?

Does not compute.

It's a job killer and a bonus for foreign manufacturers.

Another example of what the administration is blind to.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 01:25 PM

Bobert:"Hey, here's one fir ya' to ponder... Close down all government funded schools???"

And build turtle tunnels with that money.

"but when it comes to running thr economy it's, "Let Bubba run it"..."

What does that mean?

"1. Tax cut fir the wealthy because they create jobs... No, they really don't... Top Fortune 500 as flush with cash ($17T) uninvested and so giving them even more cash ain't gonna do squat..."

If they hire people and make things, who buys it? If people have no money to buy stuff why should someone make it? Please read about the great depression and then preach.

If you were a home builder sitting on $1 million profit from building homes a few years back, would you continue to build homes when nobody is buying them or would you lay people off and wait to see what this can't figure it out administration is going to do?

And when does not taking somebody's money constitute giving them money?

I have never heard such ass backwards thinking in my life.

Where do you arrive at your conclusions?

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: pdq
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 01:39 PM

"I have never heard such ass backwards thinking in my life. ~ Sawzaw

That's because you are relatively new to Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party = Flawed Economic Model
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 01:40 PM

"7. You fight deficits with tax cuts... Huh???... Okay, that is like me getting behind on my bills so I figure the best way outta the mess is to quit my job???? I mean, this is some seriously flawed tea..."

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."