Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish

Subject: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Shaneo
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 04:04 PM

If he was Irish, or English for that matter ,would he have made it as big as he did ?
I think not , as a songwriter , yes , he would have written some great Christy Moore type songs.
As a singer , no , he is not up to scratch , I suggest if he was born in Ireland or England he would probably be doing the rounds as just another folk/ballad singer in the pubs and being paid 180 euro for his troubles .

Just a thought ?

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 04:06 PM

So what you are saying is that he would be another run of the mill Irish singer, but because we have less taste in the United States he has become an icon.   Or, perhaps I am reading your post wrong?

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 04:18 PM

As for me I wouldn't put Christy Moore and Bob Dylan in the same song writing catagory. There's more than just a little bit of difference between the two. YMMV.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 04:25 PM

If you think Dylan can't sing, listen to his version of "The House of the Rising Sun". He paces it beautifully with lots of lovely folkie decoration scattered around. The Animals - vocally - attacked with a sledge-hammer. Talk about lack of subtlety!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Les from Hull
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 04:25 PM

I took it that the USA is a much larger market. He had a major record label and an procative manager, and the times were probably right for him as the leading light in a 'Movement'.

I liked his singing. It was his bloody harmonica playing I couldn't stand! But I'd like to think that his songs would have made it even it he hadn't as a performer. Look at the number of Bob Dylan songs recorded by other people that became major hits all around the world. In fact it was the easy way to have a hit for lots of people.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Shaneo
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 04:29 PM

To Ron , It's because you have more people in the U.S.A.
They are the ones who made him an icon , and it's also about acceptance , If a singer becomes 'big' in the U.S.A. it almost guarantees that it will happen for them everywhere else.
To use Christy Moore for example , the man is hugh here in Ireland , but not so in America , that's my point

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Les from Hull
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 04:31 PM

I have the utmost respect for Christy Moore, but not so much as a songwriter as for his interpretation of other people's songs. Hm, Christy singing a Dylan song - now you're talking!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 04:33 PM

Okay, my mistake.   Sorry I got defensive.

I don't know why Christy Moore isn't bigger in the U.S.   I've played him a number of times on my radio program and get very little reaction. I think he is a superb singer and interpreter of song - but I don't find his songwriting in the same league as a Dylan.

When you get down to it - does size matter?

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 05:21 PM

"To use Christy Moore for example , the man is hugh here in Ireland , but not so in America , that's my point"

Okay - so who started calling him "Christy" in the States? 'Catters: from now on its "hugh" Moore!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 06:16 PM

Who's Divine?

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: bobad
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 06:22 PM

Divine

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 09:12 PM

What if bob dylan was scotch?

He would be wearing a kilt and waiting for somebody else to get the drinks in!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Effsee
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 09:30 PM

Ho Ho Bloody Ho!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Polish
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 09:46 PM

If Dylan was like most Polish American guys I've known, we would have found out if he could get broadcast time with "It really don't make any G*dd**n f**kin difference anyway, don't f**kin' think twice, f**k it, it's awright."

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Big Tim
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 03:28 AM

Christy sings Dylan's 'Hattie Carroll' on his most recent album.

Dylan would have made it big anywhere - cos he's a genius.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 04:08 AM

If pigs could fly, the price of bacon would go up.

eric

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Mr Happy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:42 AM

If Bob Dylan was Irish, it's perhaps less likely he'd've chosen a Welsh bard's name as his nom de guerre.

Possibly, we'd now have Bob Brendan/ Samuel/ or any of these!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_poets

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,Robots For Tea
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:33 AM

How can anybody compare the great songwriting genius of Dylan to some half baked hypocrite like C Moore?

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:57 AM

Now, that's fighting talk!!! But just for interest sake. Why is Christy a hypoctite?

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:05 AM

If we got rid of all the folkies who were half-baked, we wouldn't be left with too many!

(Okay, I'll get back in the oven).

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Shaneo
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:13 AM

Why call Christy half baked , the man has been entertaining for forty years .
He has searved his time as a singer/songwriter .
I used Christy's name for example when talking about Bob Dylan.
I'm sure Bob would not call Christy a hypocrite.
As for Dylan being a genius / not so .he is your average folk singer and a good poet.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Maryrrf
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:25 AM

Yes Bob Dylan wrote some good stuff - but I would agree with Shaneo that he is an "average folk singer and a good poet". I may be flamed for saying this, but I think he is overrated. I think it was more a case of being in the right place at the right time, and getting the right marketing push behind him.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:52 AM

I don't think you are far off the mark, Maryrrf. What made Dylan the poet laureate of his generation was that he was in tune with the times. I believe that Woody Gutherie is probably responsible, in some measure, for Bob Dylan. Much of what Woody wrote was protest music (include This Land Is Your Land in that) designed to call attention to what needed correction in our country. Dylan was influenced by this. Some of his best creations came out of these times in the early 60's. The times were changing, in a big way, and his music, his poetry, reflected that.

I believe that questions such as these don't serve much purpose, other than to stimulate conversations. Neither I, or anyone else, knows if Dylan would have been what he is if her were Irish. But to answer the question, my opinion is that he would not have been what he is today. He might have been a pretty good writer of Irish Rebel songs though.

Mick

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 11:14 AM

I haven't bought a Dylan album since the 60s, But! He is a mighty, mighty figure in the history of rock - and folk music. There is no greater praise than that of your contemporaries, and The Beatles, Phil Ochs etc all thought Dylan was a great, great artist. His influence was immense. Rock lyrics took on a whole new dimension following his lead.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Scoville
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 11:36 AM

(Speaking as someone who only knows the name and nothing about the man himself or his music)

Well, for one thing, Mr. Moore isn't marketed in the U.S., from what I can tell. Even Amazon doesn't have any sound clips. I don't buy stuff without hearing samples.

There is one rather lame fan-page on MySpace but I'm hoping the four songs that are posted aren't representative, since they're boring. Not bad, but sort of high-average singer-songwriter fare. At least I think Dylan is interesting even if I don't like the music, and there's really quite a bit I don't like from a musical standpoint; I'm not a slavish Dylan-lover.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: alanabit
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 12:16 PM

I don't think either Dylan or Christy Moore would be interested in this sort of comparison. They both do what they do best and they do it very well.
I think Dylan would have stood out had he been Irish. The thing, which has always struck me about the Irish people I have known, is that they sing anyway. A lot of people dislike Dylan's voice, so they say he is a rotten singer. A good voice is of no more use to a bad singer than a Goneri violin is to a monkey. Dylan made his voice mean something to those, who were listening. That is exactly what Woody Guthrie (no Pavarotti either) had done before him. I believe many Irish people would have given Dylan a hearing and clicked. Woody Guthrie actually rated the young Dylan more as a singer than as a writer.
It is hard to imagine anyone else, who could have appeared at Dylan's time and produced such a stunningly diverse catalogue of songs. He had firm roots in all the musical styles, in which he wrote, be they rock, country, blues, "art songs" or nowadays even swing. He also tackled subjects and songwriting angles which no one before him had dared. Who else can you name before Dylan, who took on the complex psychological profiles like, "Ballad of a Thin Man", "It's all right Ma, I'm Only Bleeding" or even the tragi comic "Mississippi"?
Like Dylan or loathe him, he has created a body of work, which stands alone in diversity and can constantly be revisited and reinterpreted by either the man himself or other artists. I think that makes him a bit special by any yardstick.Most of the Irish guys I know place a very high value on words, be they spoken, written or sung. Dylan got through to most of them all right - and that does not surprise me.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 12:30 PM

Song challenge: write a song lyric beginning with the phrase, "If Dylan was Irish" - that can be sung to the tune of "Irish Washerwoman".

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Amos
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:22 PM

IF Dylan were Irish, he'd be still a protestor,
And he'd ne'er have an agent or an income investor,
He wouldn't be rich, like he got out from Boise
And he might sing things better, and for sure he'd be noisy!

Och! rub a dub, row de dow, Bob Brennan, the daisy,
Just drinking good craithur, and being quite lazy,
The bold Irish poet, Bob Brennan the daisy.

He would sing in Kilkenny, and, despite his hard thinking
He'd have bloody few fans, and his revenue sinking,
Though they'd not be so unkind as to have finally banned him,
They'd shun all his records, who could not understand them!

Och! rub a dub, row de dow, Bob Brennan, the daisy,
Just drinking good craithur, and being quite lazy,
The bold Irish poet, Bob Brennan the daisy.

He'd be gaunt, he'd be skinny, and his face would be boney
He'd have no affaire with that belle dame, young Joanie
He'd have no motorcycles, nor groupies eclectic,
And he'd never have thought, sir, of going electric!

Och! rub a dub, row de dow, Bob Brennan, the daisy,
Just drinking good craithur, and being quite lazy,
The bold Irish poet, Bob Brennan the daisy.

And now, with years, deeply on his mug showin'
It's out to the streets auld Bob would be goin'
His gravel truck singing, all the shops to be fillin'
In hopes that somebody would toss him a shilling.

Och! rub a dub, row de dow, Bob Brennan, the daisy,
Just drinking good craithur, and being quite lazy,
The bold Irish minstel, Bob Brennan the daisy.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:34 PM

Holy smokes! Begob and begorrah, old Amos has set the bar high. Although I'm not sure of how the chorus scans - but the last verse brought a tear to my eye, and I'm only on my third Guiness. And now I need another. Anyone looking for me, I'll be at the bar. The rest of you carry on with your versifying; let's see what you can come up with!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Jim Lad
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:39 PM

If Bob was Irish he'd be called "Audience".

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:48 PM

Okay, how 'bout this: If Jim Lad was American, ... ?

(He'd be called Jim Boy, or Jimbo).

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Jim Lad
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 02:04 PM

"Jumbo", these days.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 02:14 PM

!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,Zac
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 04:17 PM

How about 'Goodby Moshe Durkin'

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 04:55 PM

Go for it!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,A friend
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 06:46 PM

Oh goodbye Mosha Durkin sure me agent's been out workin'
He's collectin' lots of songs that I can call me very own.
Be it Carthy, be it Behan
Sure the punters aint believin'
That it's me whose reapin' everything the others might have sown.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:22 PM

Okay, you Dylan fans, you're not going to take that lying down, are you? A lyrical reposte is in order, I'd say!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Mr Happy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:34 PM

reposte??

No such werd!!!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:48 PM

Wha - !?


By golly, yer right! You sent me to my dictionary, and I've been downright humbled: rIposte, seems to be the werd wer looking for!

Okay - a lyrical RIPOSTE is in order!


riposte
riposte
riposte
riposte
riposte

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Jim Lad
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:09 PM

And how many years can the Irish exist
Before they're allowed to be free..... etc.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Mr Happy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:15 PM

BOGOF??

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Mr Happy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:28 PM

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Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Mr Happy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:29 PM

sorry Joe

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Nick
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:34 PM

If Dylan was Irish I probably would have heard of Christy Moore earlier

I listened to Dylan in the 60s and heard of Christy Moore within the last 4 years when Flamenco Ted's peach of a daughter (remember the beautiful horses in the field, Sophia?) sang Ride On (and I know he didn't write it).

I still listen to more Dylan than Christy Moore

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Jim Lad
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:02 PM

And how many times can Blair turn his head
Pretending he just doesn't see....

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:06 PM

Good man, yourself, Jim Lad - keep'r coming.

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:21 PM

What if Dylan Thomas had been a Samoan?

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Peace
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:36 PM

What if Thomas More was less?

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Mr Happy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:50 PM

Think you folks need to get out moore more!

Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish
From: Jim Lad
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 12:18 AM

What if meself was yoself?