BS: Utah designates official state handgun

Subject: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: number 6
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 09:39 AM

Christ .... isn't a state bird or flower good enough

John M. Browning-designed M1911

This is just plain wonkiness. Is it something in the water, or bad food. Maybe it's Mormons going over the edge.

Don't want o bring up the right to bear arms argument, as that just goes on and on ... and we've been there before many, many times.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 12:15 PM

Lunacy is a growth industry in the U.S. of late. Maybe they can put The Grim Reaper on the State seal, too.

If this sort of idiocy was limited to Utah, it would be one thing.......

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 12:18 PM

Hmmmm, maybe since Virginia is the gun supplier of choice for criminals and misfits it should make the AK-47 their state gun??? Maybe even put it on their flag???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 12:31 PM

I think a peashooter would be my recommendation.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 12:38 PM

Mmmmm, I can see the signs now......"Welcome To Utah, The Small Willy State".

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: gnu
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 12:48 PM

State gnu... I could get behind that. But a State gun?

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: artbrooks
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 01:04 PM

The M-1911 .45 cal service automatic - pretty much an antique because of the small magazine capacity, although they are still made. I understand that it was selected because the inventor was from Utah. Now, why they feel the need to have a state pistol is another issue!

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 01:36 PM

We live about 35 miles from the eastern border of Utah. I was not happy to read about this, but not surprised. There are some weird mentalities there, though maybe not as unusual as they have been, with the proliferation of wing-nuts all over, from news accounts.

My dad's wife used to shoot her shotgun at magpies if they got in her trees, right up against the house and not that far from the road. I hated her for that. She thought nothing of it.

One thing, for sure, the LDS church will close ranks, they do all of the time, if they feel threatened. They don't call it the Beehive State for naught.

This brings to mind Alabama's song "Words at Twenty Paces:"

Artist: Alabama
Song: Words at Twenty Paces
Album: Mountain Music


Just like a western movie
A challenge has been made
A shot fired in anger
And pride stepped off the train
Won't we ever stop this
Killin' me and you
'Til our hearts are up on Boot Hill
And there's nothing we can do

Words at twenty paces
Anger at high noon
This house ain't big enough
For both of us, it's comin' soon
We'll finish off our happiness
And run hope out of town
With words at twenty paces
Lord, it's love we're gunnin' down

How did we ever lose the dreams we used to share
The gentle touch, the words of love, the way we used to care
Sometimes you words cut like a bullet in my side
Oh which is more important, wounded hearts or wounded pride

I've got my ammunition
I know you've got yours too
We know each other's weakness
Lord, the damage we can do
Why can't we just step aside
And put our guns away
Let love come like the cavalry
Ride in and save the day

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:12 PM

Seriously, what can one say other than, "Ready, aim . . . ." ?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: gnu
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:15 PM

Don... heheheheee

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:17 PM

To commemorate the 1911 introduction of this handgun, a reproduction is being produced in a limited number of 3000 by Colt. The price is c. $1049.00.

Browning was introduced to gunsmithing in his father's shop in Ogden, Utah, and made his first rifle, a breech-loading single-shot, in 1879. Demand exceeded the Ogden shop's capabilities, and the patent was sold to Winchester.
His shop was a true pioneer enterprise and Browning deserves commemoration.

Browning's repeating shotgun, made in the Belgian FN factory, revolutionized the hunting market.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:20 PM

Utah State Symbols

State Animal - Rocky Mountain Elk
State Bird - California Seagull
State Cooking Pot - Dutch Oven
State Emblem - Beehive
State Fish - Bonneville Cutthroat Trout
State Flag - State Flag and Seal
State Flower - Sego Lily
State Folk Dance - Square Dance
State Fossil - Allosaurus
State Fruit - Cherry
State Gem - Topaz
State Grass - Indian Rice Grass ###
State Insect - Honey Bee
State Mineral - Copper
State Motto - "Industry"
State Rock - Coal
State Song - "Utah, This Is The Place"
State Hymn - "Utah We Love Thee"
State Star - Dubhe
State Tartan - Utah State Tartan
State Tree - Blue Spruce
State Vegetable - Spanish Sweet Onion
State Historic Vegetable - Sugar Beet

### Has anyone tried it and if so, is it any good?

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:33 PM

Indian ricegrass- not being a grass-eating mammal or seed-eating bird, no. Important in their diet.
It is a bunchgrass, tolerates sandy soil and dry conditions.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:34 PM

Utah's State Bird - California Seagull. That makes as much sense as a state gun. A sea bird on the desert probably spends most of his time at the state dump. Therefore why is there no state dump on Bruce's list?
Do they use the state gun to shoot the state bird at the state dump?

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: gnu
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:39 PM

Hahahahaa

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:39 PM

Utah State Symbols:

State Resident: Asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:49 PM

Wasn't it a flock of seagulls that led the first Mormons into Utah?


I hoped this was going to be Utah Phillips and a watergun.
Oh well.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:53 PM

Gulls should be called that and not seagulls.

Here in inland Alberta, 'seagulls' are a sure sign that spring has arrived. They follow the river systems from south to north all over North America.
We live near a reservoir and the South Saskatchewan River. Many thousands come here in the summer. During the day the gulls feed in fields and garbage dumps, at evening they fly to water to roost for the night.
It is pleasant to sit outside on summer evenings and listen to their flights as they go overhead- they 'call' continuously.

The California 'seagull' is one of our summer breeders, common in western Canada from British Columbia to Manitoba, as it is all over the western U. S.
It breeeds inland, not in California. It goes to California only as a snowbird.

It could just as easily be the state bird of any western state (or western Canadian province).

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:55 PM

Greg F is mudcat's resident asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:56 PM

Thanks, Q.



I have searched and searched--and I don't think anywhere in the USA does a state claim a dump as its symbol.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 03:14 PM

What about New Jersey?

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 03:16 PM

It wouldn't be right for me to acept a title that, by all crireria, should be rightfully yours, Q.

Therefore I decline the honor in your favor.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 03:33 PM

To be fair, Greg, I believe it's beyond "dump" in New Jersey... If I have it correct it is "toxic waste dump"... Kinda goes along with the New Jersey state flower... You know, dead flower...

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 03:43 PM

Now I come to think on it, Bobert, I think the new Jersey State Bird IS, in fact, the seagull - specifically the Herring Gull - colloquially called the "Garbage Goose" in those parts.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: robomatic
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 04:06 PM

One of the wonderful aspects of MUDCAT is the great knowledge brought to the forums by those who know their songs and know their firearms. I initially got sucked into this marvelous site by an in-depth discussion of an old Alaskan song wherein some duffer highlighted the difference between the terms "30 ought 6" and "30 US". The song can be heard sung either way.

All this to introduce the story I heard when I was waking up yesterday that the Alaska legislature is considering a Bill proposed to name official state firearm.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 04:12 PM

Alaska state firearm? Here ya go:   CLICKY.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Mark Ross
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 04:35 PM

When Utah Phillips heard that the LDS church was finally going to admit men of color to the priesthood, he proposed that they change the statue of the Angel Moroni on top of the Mormon Temple (blowing a trumpet) , to one of Louis Armstrong.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:11 PM

State firearms? For the love of Jeezis, what is WRONG with these imbeciles? Don't they have anything of substance to occupy their time with?

Apparently not.

Talk about a waste of taxpayer dollars.......

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:19 PM

Well i think its a great idea. You other places are just jealous cos you didn't think of it first. I never heard of the state song or the state hymn. what do you think would they be ready for a new approach?

Utah! Utah!
There ain't no place cuter!
Have some fun
With the state gun
Ride there on your scooter!

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: artbrooks
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:32 PM

The Great Salt Lake, just west of Salt Lake City (duh!) is home to a very large, year-around seagull population. It is said (mostly among the unanointed) that, when the Angel Moroni announces the second coming by blowing his trumpet, the entire city will be covered in seagull crap. Did you know that he is really Italian? His real name is Angelo Maroni.

BTW, New Mexico is the only stare with a state question - red or green?

Art Brooks, U. Utah 68/74.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:36 PM

Hey, Q-ster:

If they want to honor Mr. Browning, how about his falling-block rifle invention, wch became the Winchester Model 1885 Single Shot rifle {Hi-Wall/Lo-Wall}, one of the top target/match rifles of the era, instead of the M-1911 whose primary use was to put holes in other human beings?

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: pdq
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:55 PM

"Wasn't it a flock of seagulls that led the first Mormons into Utah?"

The connection between the Mormons and the seagulls goes back to 1848 when there was a huge population explosion of the Mormon cricket. They eat anything green and move across the land in swarms.

Seagulls seem to notify each other when there is a large supply of food, such as the dumps mentioned.

The sky filled with seagulls which ate the crickets. They are credited with saving the Mormon people from starvation.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 05:57 PM

According to legend.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Naemanson
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 06:05 PM

I have owned one of these. I used one when I joined my ship's shooting team when I was in the Navy. As issued by the military the 1911 semiautomatic was a lot like most Republicans. It looked good and was wildly inaccurate.

Once you took it in for a very expensive tune up (education?) it became a fine accurate shooter. Of course, now it was a Democrat...

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 06:14 PM

Another curious thing is that no state seems to have an official lingerie, official spaghetti sauce or official barometric pressure reader.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: kendall
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 07:28 PM

My thought is, why a state gun? What is the purpose? and then, what is the harm?

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: kendall
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 07:28 PM

That photo of Sara will make a great campaign poster.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 07:42 PM

artbrooks, thanks for pointing out the GREAT SALT LAKE. Ya beat me to it. I have an old postcard from there when I was young which actually has a tiny bag of salt from same attached to it.

Mark Ross, that would be great to see Louis up there blowing his horn instead of the Italian? **bg**

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 08:30 PM

A state gun? Next, the Mormon Tabernacle Cavalry......

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: artbrooks
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 09:13 PM

Hispanics can be of any "race".

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 09:15 PM

Yes, they are a linguistic group, not a race.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 09:17 PM

By the way, Chongo thinks this move by Utah is an absolutely terrific idea, and that all American states should choose an official firearm that resonates strongly with the state's past history and its main cultural values. He has already recommended the Thompson Submachine Gun for the state of Ohio, based on its illustrious use there by both gangsters and cops (not to mention G-men) in the 20's and the depression era.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Mark Ross
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 09:43 PM

The way I heard it (about the seagulls that is) , after the voracious birds had finished vanquishing the hordes of hungry locusts, they were flying over Salt Lake City heading back to the lake. As they passed overhead (over Brigham Young's domicile) one of them chanced to let loose with some digestive muck that had passed through its system, landing on Amelia, Brigham's 24th wife. She immediately turned to Elder Young, demanding that he run into the house and get some tissue to wipe off the offending stain. Brigham Young replied, "Why Amelia, by the time I get back with some tissue that bird will be halfway to Ogden!"

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 10:17 PM

Well I come from Salt Lake City with my official state handgun
I'm a fan of Donny Osmond and i want to have some fun
old Gary Gilmore! don't you cry for me
I'm gonna kill more than just two or three!

LH
Indiana should get the Thompson - home state of John Dillinger. Although Illinois probably has a better claim - seing as its already called the Chicago piano or something similar.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Naemanson
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 10:40 PM

I REALLY like what Guest999 said. State Lingerie is the best of all possible worlds.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 10:55 PM

Assigning anything the status of official state whatever is an act of purely political symbolism intended to make a handful of supporters feel good while the rest of us simply don't give a shit. Convince enough influential people that having an official state dildo will help them get re-elected and we'll have one by year's end.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 11:49 PM

I see absolutely no harm in some state having an official state handgun (or other type of gun) if they want to, but it's a cool opportunity for a lot of noisy outrage in certain quarters, a simply glorious chance to slag off one's favorite demons on the unspeakable Right and demonstrate one's idealistic fervor for all to see, so let's glory in this opportunity and make the most of it, shall we? ;-D The coolest thing of all is, you can post links to photos of the despised Sarah Palin toting various firepower and looking spunky while she does it, and if that doesn't get your adrenalin pumping and send your outrage meter rocketing happily to the top of the scale, nothing will.

Just think: if Utah hadn't done it, you wouldn't be having all this fun right now.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 11:53 PM

Well Al Capone was famous for his loyalty to the Thompson Sub-machine gun (AKA Tommy) so Ill. no doubt would want to claim it. They say that he carried his in a violin case and if that is true this is a music thread and should move above the line. Rat a tat tat rat a tat tat!

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 12:09 AM

Actually it was Illinois that I meant for the Thompson. Chongo said Illinois, not Ohio. It was my error when I typed Ohio.

Subject: RE: BS: Utah designates official state handgun
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 12:15 AM

Chongo seems to have a deep understanding of shallow issues. Pay closer attention to his wisdom LH.