BS: Are all bigots male?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 04:19 PM

"We pick our hills to die on." ... George Custer certainly did!

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 04:54 PM

If you get killed fighting for a particular cause, you might just be the last one, and no one will be there to take your place. I believe in fighting like hell for what I believe, then if I find I'm losing, running like hell, and regrouping to give it another shot. "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day." Or as Patton said, "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

If I'm under duress, I have no ethical problem at all about lying to or generally trying to deceive my oppressor. The only way to keep fighting is to stay alive.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 04:59 PM

Patton may have said that, but that doesn't make it true.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 05:24 PM

I love these threads. They are the comic relief each day anew. A week without Shambles' complaints is a dull week. The pompousness, the questions to which there is no clear answer (I'll never forget when I answered one of his questions with a single word, 'yes', and he had to ask back what I meant because he did not understand a simple response response to one of his own questions; my God, how have I laughed then!), the statements with a question mark, the presuppositional questions, the self help threads (like the one about bullying), the interruption of threads with nonsensical links or quotes,...

My only complaint is that on days with time pressure I have difficulties to find Shambles new haunt. Though the theme never varies he manages to word the titles so cleverly misleading that on some days I had the feeling that I must have missed his newest contributions.

On these days I wish that these threads were marked in (brown?) colour so I can find them easily or that all his contributions were transferred to the old

The Shambles whine about Mudcat thread.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 06:00 PM

I disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it until I experience moderate discomfort?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 06:04 PM

LOL! Now yer talkin', Bee-Dub. That I can almost believe.

Wolfgang, you have expressed my own thoughts about Shambles' strange contributions to daily humour on Mudcat perfecty. I look forward to his next thread, so I can get a few more good laughs. The trouble is, like you said, one can sometimes miss one of them, because the titles tend to be a bit mysterious.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 06:19 PM

Shambles has made some cogent points in the past to do with censorship (in the broader sense) and he's made some pertinent remarks about clones and their functions on the 'cat and as posters. He's as entitled to his say as anyone else, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 06:21 PM

Also, Shambles at least asks other for their side of things--something that doesn't always happen around here.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:11 PM

But always with a not-so-hidden agenda.

Then again, he's probably not so different than anyone else, in that respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: bobad
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:19 PM

"He's as entitled to his say as anyone else, IMO."

And his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:21 PM

I've tried reading his posts to see what he's disastisfied about (apart from the obvious) but I confess they often don't make sense to me.
I don't understand Shamblese. His sentences are like he's doubling back to throw you off the trail. You end up losing the will to live halfway through.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:21 PM

"I might even agree with what you say, but if you insist on saying it over and over and over, I will defend to the death my right to a bit of hush..."

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:26 PM

Frothfleckin halda bernidian sumatsowin.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:28 PM

"And his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say."

You can say that again.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:30 PM

"And his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say."

do you hear it now Peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:31 PM

WHAT?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:32 PM

"And his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say and his say. !!!!!!!!!!!"

did you hear that Peace?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:33 PM

HaHaHa: That's TWICE you said that.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:34 PM

It's not that funny Peace.

It's not that funny Peace.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:37 PM

What?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: number 6
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:38 PM

It's not that funny Peace.

It's not that funny Peace.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: gnomad
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:41 PM

McGoH: too right, think I may get that one on a T-shirt.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 08:42 PM

HAHAHA: That's twice you said THAT, too.

This will have to be my last post for a while. I am the worst compulsive poster on the Mudcat. I have been told.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: GUEST,the ghost of Guest 11:52 AM 's cat hating ol
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 11:26 PM

woof !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 11:28 PM

Aha! A canine bigot!

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: GUEST,Guest 11:52 AM 's cat hating old dog
Date: 26 Feb 06 - 11:43 PM

woof woof woof.. fuckin cats, I fuckin hate 'em.. woof !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 05:22 AM

"Defend to the death" in that pseudo-Voltaire quote is actually ambiguous. It's never been quite clear whose death is envisaged.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 07:31 AM

Lots of giggling from the corner here.

It's good to start the day with a laugh - many thanks laddies.

I'm thinking the same thing about the T-shirt.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 08:50 AM

mcm lived one mile from eight mile for her entire growing up. first near mumford at seven mile and livernois, then at seven mile and mack, then a few blocks from the foot of eight mile which was not in eminem's old neighborhood but WAS in his new one. aa came later.
and your point is?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 08:58 AM

little touchy this a.m, eh har ... errr, Imean mcm.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 11:16 AM

a bigot is defined as someone intolerant of other's opinions. I tolerate them all the time. I just don't agree on some things. racism is something else again.

and you can't play the pms card, mickster...got no more hormones....and i was just trying to determine why you put this up on this thread...whatevah did you mean, kind sir????? that better?????

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 08:18 PM

I totally disagree with what David Irving has to say, and I will defend to the death (well maybe not that far...) the rights of the guys who locked him up.

Vell done gallant little Austria! god bless your alps and the gallant little breakfast cereal named after them!

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 09:25 PM

I will defend your right to agree with me until my supply of jelly beans gets low.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Feb 06 - 09:41 PM

Well put.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Peace
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 12:49 AM

What are ya gonna tell the bear when ya run outta cookies?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Bert
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 03:03 AM

Big Mick,

Perhaps if someone were to start deleting some of your messages then you might just have a little more symopathy for Shambles.

I find your nasty personal attack quite out of character with the Big Mick that I have known.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Davetnova
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 03:36 AM

Does bigotry depend on context? Trevor Phillips, head of the commision for racial equality (so he can't possibly be a bigot) has said that in Britain everyone has the right to offend anyone they please and that if muslims don't like it they should fuck off. If I said that I WOULD be a bigot.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: s&r
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 04:29 AM

I read the first three posts as a question of English - does 'his' no longer mean 'his or hers' as I was taught?

'Their' is great with a plural subject but you can end up with nonsense like: 'each trolley is equipped with a notice stating their proper use' (B&Q)

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: autolycus
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 05:40 AM

s&r,

Try imagining that you are female and you read, "Everyone must have had his patience tried." I'd have thought you (as a female) might object. Women didn't used to 'cos they 'knew their place', knew better than to make a fuss, didn't have too much self-respect, etc.

In virtually every case, if you use "they" or 'their' instead of 'he/she', 'he', 's/he' etc., you will have made perfect sense. I say virtually because there is the occosional formulation where 'they' or 'their' might be confusing.

The trolley example is very odd. Since when did the word 'trolley' (in the English Language) have a gender?

As for bigotry,

1. The question looks answered to me.

2. The basis of the falsISH attribution to Voltaire is nice and clear at the very end of McGrath's link. Voltaire wrote some like the quote, so Ms. Hall was correct when she said it was a summary of his position.

3. Found this quote under bigotry in a quotations book,

      "We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another."
































    Jonathan Swift.




Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 05:47 AM

That quote ties in with the one I use about NI, I don't know where it came from though, it says..........

There are too many Protestants and too many Catholics, and not enough Christians.

Always thought it had a ring of truth about it.

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: s&r
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 06:26 PM

For me Ivor it was just English, not necessarily always logical: I saw no more prejudice in 'the manager picked up his pen' than 'the burglar picked up his swag'. In either case (to me) the gender was not specified unless it needed to be for some reason.

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: autolycus
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 05:32 AM

Stu,
If I understand you aright, I'm saying that our use of "his" leads us to assume so often that the person is a man, when it might be a woman.

Thus we get the familiar scenario of, for example, the nurse saying to the patient,"The doctor ios just coming", and the patiuent being TAKEN ABACK when a woman walks in.

In better words, constantly saying "he", where "they" works, leads us into expectations unfair (to say the least) to women.

Best wishes

Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: kendall
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 07:32 AM

What Mick had to say didn't strike me as a personal attack, simply one man's opinion. An opinion that happen to agree with.

To me, a personal attack is when someone uses filthy language and/or calls someone nasty names.

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 08:34 AM

definitely no. considering all the BNP female candidates, bigots are definitely not all male!

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:11 AM

"Defend to the death" in that pseudo-Voltaire quote is actually ambiguous. It's never been quite clear whose death is envisaged.

For some reason it seems that some of our posters may choose to consider such things as unclear or to go out of their way to discuss anything other than the very clear implications in this quotation.

One thing is sure - that should any poster be foolish enough to make a stand to try and ensure that all views expressed on our forum receive equal treatment and remain as worded - this attempt will not receive very much support...............But they can surely rely on on many personal judgements being posted about them.

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What Mick had to say didn't strike me as a personal attack, simply one man's opinion. An opinion that happen to agree with.
To me, a personal attack is when someone uses filthy language and/or calls someone nasty names.

The particular personal judgement made in that post may not have contained what you may judge to be 'filty language' or 'nasty names' but there are plenty of other examples from that poster that do. But is any personal judgement (good or bad) made in public about another named poster really what our discussion forum is for?

Kendall I will look forward to reading your public condemnation of the next personal attack (as now defined by you) that I will inevitably receive. Especially when it comes from one of the usual suspects who appear to be unable to make any post that does not contain personal judgements, 'filthy language' and 'nasty names'.

Is it really not possible to JUST discuss the issue on our forum anymore?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:23 AM

There are some people who will not discuss things unless it is on their terms. As a one sided argument is a waste of time, I wonder why you indulge in it.
You are possibly the only person who is NOT discussing it Roger. You persistently refuse to address any of the myriad points which have been raised, preferring insted to re-post the same threads ad infinitum. Whether these threads are for you or against you do not seem to matter, and you appear to be posting against yourself at times.
One thing is for sure though, when I see these old threads of yours reappear I know who has refreshed them, you sure don't suffer from a small ego that's for certain.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:43 AM

The thread got all this way without anyone from Oz mentioning the Pride of Australia, Pauline Hanson?

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:48 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:52 AM

I may disagree with what you say-

Subject: RE: BS: Are all bigots male?
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:52 AM

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