BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: kendall
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 02:53 PM

You want facts? I give you facts! Homosexuality is not a choice! You may as well be against talking against people with blue eyes. Can you imagine that? Someone says,
Oh it's ok to have blue eyes as long as you don't look at anything with them!

Let's come out of the dark ages. What is, is. Adjust!

How many heterosexual people are going to admit that they married for sex? People marry for LOVE, and gender has nothing to do with it.

Control freaks piss me off.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 03:16 PM

DonT: "1. There are many more heterosexual female paedophiles than has been previously apparent.

2. Paedophilia is about AGE, not sexual orientation."

Don, you are correct!
I pointed that out, in my earlier post...and it is about age!

If any of the biased critics, noted, that in my post, I closed, with capital letters, that we are talking about 'paedophilia, IN THIS CASE'!!

Go back and read it!!!!

It seems the promoters and defenders of homosexuality, seem to only read and comprehend what they want to see, and ignore the rest!..and disregard any other relevant input. This is only 'willful ignorance' and the root word of 'ignorance' is 'IGNORE'!!!!!

now watch, some clown will dispute that too!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: gnu
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:00 PM

I shied away from even reading this thread. Glad I am bored and decided to take a peak.

Kendall. Me too. What a bunch of freaking crap!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:05 PM

"Paedophilia, the topic of this thread, .....is a civil rights issue???????????????"


The topic of this thread is dictated by the Original Poster.

He begins by referring to the case of a convicted paedophile who is allegedly Gay and representative of the Gay community as a whole.

He implies in his original post, and in later posts spells out literally, that in his view Homosexuals are sexual and social deviants who cannot be trusted to care for children as, being deviants, they have a natural propensity for paedophilia.


Thus he seeks to misinform and slander Gay people.

This is a civil rights iissue as Gay people are a minority who have been on the receiving end of violent suppression for centuries.

As for the roots of "Ignorant"

[Middle English ignoraunt, from Old French ignorant, from Latin ignrns, ignrant-, present participle of ignrre, to be ignorant, not to know; see gn- in Indo-European roots.]


Another similar word is "ignoramus".

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:06 PM

Kendall...The figures suggest the most male homosexuals want nothing to do with marriage, the take up rate being very small in real terms.
The divorce/separation rate is also very high, suggesting than monogamy does not have any lasting appeal to the homosexual community.
Curiously, the figures are completely different for lesbians who appear to be on a par with heterosexual married couples.

The attempt to paint women as child abusers is disgraceful, the incidence of this is so small, that it is hardly measurable.
Most female abusers, like Hindley and the care worker last month appear to have been influenced by men

Paedophilia is to all intents a male crime.

Jim.. it is indeed an interesting point.

The last I read on this matter was that large numbers of homosexuals had always been attracted to the priesthood by the celibacy rule, which gave the opportunity to hide their sexual preference.
Many youth leaders have turned out to be secret child abusers as this is was always an easy way to access children.
Most of the abused were boys.....I have never heard of sexual abuse by a Guide leader, or any other adult woman in charge of a girls organisation.

I don't think you can make a case for Christianity being a cause of paedophilia Jim, but I would be interested to listen to your attempt...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:14 PM

Kendall and gnu...most heterosexual people marry to procreate!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: John P
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:16 PM

GfS: If any of the biased critics, noted, that in my post, I closed, with capital letters, that we are talking about 'paedophilia, IN THIS CASE'!!

GfS:, earlier: you know, those same intolerant, 'homophobic' parents that don't want their 6 and 7 year old children to be 'taught'(read: indoctrinated), by some homosexual activist 'teacher', who is just there laundering his or her, or 'its' agenda!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:22 PM

As far as the information about pedophilia and homosexuality promulgated on this thread by Ake and GfS, I've heard more reliable information from the Fox News Service. And the intellectual level doesn't quite measure up to the average "Ren and Stimpy" cartoon (at least they're funny!).

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:31 PM

Well I agree Don, arguing the toss with us hasn't done your persuasive powers much good, given the results of the homosexual marriage polls to date :0)

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:36 PM

"Most of the abused were boys.....I have never heard of sexual abuse by a Guide leader, or any other adult woman in charge of a girls organisation."

do nurseries count? ... i suspect not ...


"The last I read on this matter was that large numbers of homosexuals had always been attracted to the priesthood by the celibacy rule, which gave the opportunity to hide their sexual preference."


Was this in a book? a newspaper? or a mystery secret book in Ake's archives of received wisdom.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:49 PM

Where are you getting your figures, Ake? After the same-sex marriage act passed in California (prior to the fundamentalist Christian carpetbaggers putting up Proposition 8), some 18,000 same-sex couples hauled off and got married almost immediately.

Within my fairly immediate circle of friends and acquaintances (including within the congregation of the church my wife and I attend), I know some six same-sex couples who consider themselves married (some married in a church ceremony) whether the law recognized it or not. Several of these folks happen to be attorneys.

Besides, numbers are not that important in a matter of civil rights. If one person is denied his or her civil rights, that's one too many.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: gnu
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 05:51 PM

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:14 PM

Kendall and gnu...most heterosexual people marry to procreate!
******************************************************************

That is my point. That post is nothing more than a troll attempting to bate a response.

I wish a clone would merge this with the other troll thread that I "referenced" below.

That way, there would be less piles of shit cluttering up the screen.

gnightgnu

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 07:10 PM

As you may not know, the homosexual community has been pushing 'teaching' as young as 1st graders, and 'educating' them about homosexuality....Pardon me????? I don't even want 1st graders being 'taught' about heterosexual activities, unless it is with consent from the parents!!! Moreover, don't you think it is the parents responsibility to teach, or at least have a say, in when and where their children are taught about sex?????....and by whom??...if its not themselves???!!!

Let's not assume for a minute, that the public school system, can adequately handle that subject, especially any better than they can teach reading and writing and arithmetic!!! They can't even teach the basics with much success. You don't believe me?? Check out the scholastic averages, and how we as a nation have fallen, in test scores, and drop out rates...not to mention how charter schools has flourished, due to the inadequacies of the public 'school' system!!!!

That, my dear contentious, Mudcatter, is public record.,...not discrimination!!!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 07:24 PM

Public record?

What's your source for this information, GfS? Supply a link.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 07:53 PM

""Curiously, the figures are completely different for lesbians who appear to be on a par with heterosexual married couples."

On a par with heterosexual married couples, 50% of whom, world wide, end up in the divorce courts or separated.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: John P
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 07:58 PM

. . . the homosexual community has been pushing 'teaching' as young as 1st graders, and 'educating' them about homosexuality . . . 1st graders being 'taught' about heterosexual activities

Did you notice the lack of logic and semantic honesty in the way you skipped from "teaching about homosexuality" to "teaching about homosexual activities"?

Please prove to me that anyone is suggesting that 1st graders be taught about anal sex.

Are you sure teachers aren't being encouraged to teach about civility, civil rights, and tolerance? Do you have a problem with that?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 08:16 PM

If it's a matter of "public record," then I should be easy for your to cite your source for that, GfS.

A link to those "public records," please.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: John P
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 10:39 PM

We should take a close look at the obvious relationship between living in Scotland and being a pervert. We have the Scotsman that this thread is ostensibly about raping small children, and we have the Scotsman who started this thread proving himself to be so perverted that he wants to talk endlessly about what other people are doing in bed. The facts are there for all to see -- I'm only drawing the obvious conclusions. If it wasn't for the Orwellian Celto-fascists and their agenda to make perversion acceptable, we wouldn't have to put up with a whole country full of Scotsmen! I've heard many times about the prevalence of sheep fuckers in Scotland as well. I don't make this stuff up -- it's a matter of public record! The Celto-fascists want us to believe that Scotsmen are just like anyone else. And bagpipes!! The Scottish lifestyle is obviously dangerous and needs to be looked at very, very closely.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Amos
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 11:23 PM

Not to mention their obsession about haggis...

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 11:30 PM

I think John may be onto something here!

My great-grandfather came to the United States from Scotland in the mid-1800s. There can be hardly any question about his sexuality, considering that he married and fathered nine children. But—that raises the burning question:   What was happening in Scotland to make him want to leave (other than a very good, well-paying job with the Hudson's Bay Company, but that, of course, is irrelevant)?

Could it not be that sheep-shagging (which obviously leads to other sorts of perversion) had become so rampant that he felt he wouldn't be allowed to lead a normal sex life if he stayed? Would he be shunned? Persecuted? Even subjected to assault because of his sexual orientation? After all, he fancied women. And did he accurately anticipate the now well-established fact (it's a matter of public record) that sheep-shagging would inevitably lead to homosexuality? With pedophilia as the inevitable consequence

He saw a very ba-a-a-a-ad future for Scottish men.

And why, I ask you (wink wink, nudge nudge), do Scottish men run around in skirts?

Don Firth

P. S. And were you aware that the bagpipes have been officially designated as a weapon of war? It's true!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 12:04 AM

"There can be hardly any question about his sexuality, considering that he married and fathered nine children."

Not, in all seriousness, Don, you will appreciate, a conclusive proof of his sexuality — Oscar Wilde married and fathered children also.

Let me stress I am concerned here with the simple facts of this particular occasionally heard argument [tho I do realise it is probably being used with a certain irony in this generally ironic post], and intend to draw no moral conclusion in this specific instance — tho would add that I think Ake's overall position absurd, irrational, oppressive, intolerant and inhumane...

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 12:54 AM

I wonder if they're kind of 'thick' too? Mick Moloney tells the world that the Irish gave the pipes to the Scots and they never realized that it was a joke, a joke. lol

(Sorry, Giok!)

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 01:19 AM

Ok..wait a minute..(change of tone, to curious astonishment)...
Do you mean to say, that you really are not aware of the falling national scholastic levels, and falling ranking of our children's academic as compared to the rest of the industrialized nations, in the world??..or the increasing drop out rates??

Really?(and I'm not being sarcastic), ..and you haven't heard of the Oakland California's program to introduce 1st graders to broach the subject of homosexuality??

Now I'm only asking..(not setting anyone up for an argument).

If you found out about, at least, the former, (not the homosexual thing) wouldn't you be protesting the educational system, or its inadequacies?...Maybe even write a 'protest song'?..protesting the ills that fomented this national disgrace??

Seriously!..I figured, with the topics covered on here with such voracity, that instead of pulling out sabers to do 'battle'..and rhetorically 'slay' your opponent, I would figure that those doing battle would at least care about those things they either deny or affirm...regardless of the political 'fad' of the day...because that pendulum swings...and nothing is so permanent as change.

Perhaps if everyone's 'perception' of being adversarial, or anticipating an adversary, has blinded ones ability, to take in information, and process it accurately.

Intelligence is the ability to process information. The cleaner one keeps their filter, the more information you get to process.

By the way, the topic is.." 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,"

Peace..GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 01:53 AM

I know, GtS - and they are Scots. :)

"...haven't heard of the Oakland California's program to introduce 1st graders to broach the subject of homosexuality??"

That is a seriously garbled sentence, you know. Just what are you saying? That first graders are broaching the subject of homosexuality?

As for the falling grades of US kids, that is nothing new, sadly. Check it out.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 02:18 AM

Hello, Ebbie..."As for the falling grades of US kids, that is nothing new, sadly. Check it out."

I know, that's why I was blown away that anyone would post a request to qualify that statement, by demanding a link. I thought that was pretty much common knowledge.

As for my sentence...hmmm...let me look at it to see if I can re-phrase..hold on..........................

oh, ok, back.....

There was a big 'to do' in the press about that recent controversy. Again, I thought our 'esteemed panel of saber thrusters' would have heard about it. Guess not.

Oh well,..sorry. What can I say?

By the way, HI, up there.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 06:48 AM

"As for the falling grades of US kids, that is nothing new, sadly. Check it out."

Not to mention the numbers of kids who grow up knowing nothing about sex and reproduction because their parents either don't care or are too hung up to teach it properly...

... Kids who are uneducated about sex and who become pregnant in their early teensor even es early as 11 or 12 ...

... girls who don't know what's happening to them when their period starts and feel afraid, dirty and ashamed by what is happening to their bodies ...

Sex education at school should definitely not only be taught with the consent of parents, but should be a mandatory part of education from a young age so that kids are emotionally prepared for what is to come.


Then there are kids who live at home with a same sex couple.

They go to school and they encounter other kids who find this different.

It is important that Kids are taught not to discriminate against homosexuals.

This des not mean that they should be taught all the yucky sticky details that Ake loves to work himself into a froth over.

It also does not mean that kids need to be taught about cunnilingus or felletio, bondage or voyeurism etc etc.

It means that they should be taught tolerance and acceptance.

Then the kids who, unlike their other classmates, find that they are finding members of their own sex strangely compelling, will also have a chance to grow up without feelings of self hate, shame and disgust with themselves.


All kids deserve the chance to grow up with self esteem.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: kendall
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 08:31 AM

..most heterosexual couples marry to procreate...rubbish. I sure as hell didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 10:37 AM

"Everyone knows it"
Is an excuse not to provide the citation.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: John P
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 10:42 AM

I've spent 30 years being married, with never a thought for procreation. I have several friends who are parents and who are not married.

Procreation and marriage have nothing to do with each other. But then GfS/Akenaton (whichever idiot said this) either knows this and is lying, or doesn't know this and is publicly announcing that he/she is ignorant as doorstep.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: John P
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 10:46 AM

Perhaps, incomprehensibility, and death, of normal English syntax, be used to hide the facts, that GfS, can't think its way, out, a paper bag. Give, me a break!!! Is that, OK, with you? Why haven't, you answered, a simple question???

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 10:51 AM

"The last I read on this matter was that large numbers of homosexuals had always been attracted to the priesthood by the celibacy rule"
Where on earth did you read this and why should anybody - homo-or-hetrosexual go into the priesthood to be celibate?
The paedophelia practiced by the priests on the children under their protection had far more to do with the exercise of power and authority than sexual orientation - they did it because they COULD.
And where did the protection of these paedophiles by their superiors fit into the equasion?
Incidentally, the brutality included the rape and abuse of young women in such places as the Magdalene Laundries (homosexual my arse - if you'll pardon the pun).
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 11:17 AM

I actually lke being ignored - it allows me to focus on the arguments without opposition which makes them (if it is possible) that much easier to demolish.


An interesting twist is that this confirms my belief that you cannot ignore racist or homophobic opinions or you risk allowing them to spread uncontested.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: jacqui.c
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 11:45 AM

Well said Lox - 11 Nov 09 - 06:48 AM.

I married four times, none of those marriages were made in order to procreate. Much as I love them, my children were the result of ignorance on my part as my parents did not give me any sex education at home and this was in the days before it started being given in schools.

When my children were old enough to understand they were given all the information about sex that I felt that they could handle and I tried to ensure that they were raised with as little prejudice as possible, toward ANY section of Society.

I agree with Lox - there will be children from same sex partnerships at school, subject to possible discrimination and bullying due to their family circumstances as a result of the intolerant attitudes handed down by homophobic parents to their own children. Teaching tolerance and understanding in schools of any kind of difference will, hopefully, offset the effect of the attitudes of those who bully.

From the interviews that I have heard with those who are anti same sex marriage the major point that is raised is that this is against the teaching of the Bible. What I still don't understand is why the religious book of a particular part of the community should dictate the civil rights of the whole community. If there is such an adherance to that book then why are divorced people allowed to remarry, since adultery is also considered to be a sin. Why do shops stay open on Sundays when that is supposed, according to the book, to be a day of rest?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 12:36 PM

We're up against a semantic or rhetorical impasse.

Generalized impressions of bad conditions do not contain any truth that an individual van deal with, and delivering them with rhetorical passion and histrionic exclamations merely makes the communication even worse. WHat seems to work better is clear propositions stated as accurately as possible.

The inability or unwillingness to deconstruct the general into the particular, or at least into the accurate, means that the dialogue will forever be off on tangents which are doomed to grow further and further apart.

Even though this seems like neurotic or willful obstinacy, and even though it leads to reciprocal slanders, it is possible that it just a codification problem, with perfectly reasonable viewpoints at either end separated by a fundamental difference in metaphor. IT doesn't look that way from either end, of course, but it still might be the nature of this strange rhetorical foofaraw.


A

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 12:50 PM

It isn't a matter of codification, it is a matter of inflexible opinion underpinned by a refusal to corroborate with evidence and a refusal to consider new information.

It is also about classification, not only of those who the thread is about, but of those who disagree with the original premiss.

Existing classifications are: Immigrants, homosexuals and Liberals.

One doesn't have to read between the lines as all apparent subtext is later enthusiastically confirmed.


But your post is otherwise enjoyably obscure.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 01:04 PM

I agree that's how it looks, Lox. I'm jes' saying if we could break down the wall of incompatible language styles we might find there was more reason at the two ends than we first detected.


A

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 01:55 PM

I don't think a wall of incompatible language styles exists.

I have indulged the idea that brutus is an honourable man for far too long.

Though I admire your patience.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 02:29 PM

GfS rather simplistically states that "Intelligence = The ability to process information".

By this equation we find that in addition to the human race, Computers, Cell Phones, Microwave ovens, dishwashers, and automobile fuel injection systems are intelligent.

Which might perhaps explain some of GfS's posts.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 02:58 PM

I just logged on and—

"Do you mean to say, that you really are not aware of the falling national scholastic levels, and falling ranking of our children's academic as compared to the rest of the industrialized nations, in the world??..or the increasing drop out rates???   —GfS.

Of course we are aware of that, and it's a bloody disgrace. But your asinine attempt to lay the blame on pedophiles and homosexuals verges on the—My God, I don't know what it verges on, but even Rush Limbaugh would have trouble coming up with a howler like that!!

Don Firth

P. S. "Intelligence = the ability to process information."

As noted just above, even a simple light switch processes information (it is eiter "On" or "Off"). But granting a higher level of sophistication such as that generally (but often erroneously, it would appear) associated with humans, it's not just the ability to process information, it's the ability to process information accurately, while taking into consideration all of the relevant factors, including the existence of possible unknowns.

Logic is not just a word, it's a science as rigorous as mathematics.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:25 PM

Following on the posts of Lox (11 Nov 09 - 06:48 a.m.) and jacqui.c (11 Nov 09 - 11:45 a.m.), I grew up in that age when parents generally didn't tell their kids about "the birds and the bees" until they were into puberty and possibly showing some signs of sexual interest.

At the age of 12, my younger sister (7) and I were swimming in a public swimming pool when I was approached by an older man who seemed quite friendly, but for some unexplainable reason, I felt somehow suspicious of him. Then, he tried to slip his hand down inside my swimming trunks. I knew there was something "kinky" about this and I told him to leave me alone. He pulled and "Ah, gee, there's nothing wrong with this," to which I responded in a loud voice, "Get away from me or I'll call the lifeguard!!" I said it loud enough so a few other people in the pool turned and looked—including the lifeguard. The guy beat a hasty retreat and left the pool.

When my Dad came to pick Pat and me up and drive us home, I told him about what happened. He looked a bit angry and told me I had done exactly the right thing, and should anything like that happen again, do the exact same thing.

The following day, my mother handed me a book that she'd got that morning from the library. It was entitled something like "What Every Young Boy Should Know." It was a fairly slim book. She said, "I think you should read this. If you have any questions, just ask Dad or me."

I read the book. Basic information about male and female reproductive systems and how they worked, along with some tastefully inexpllcit diagrams, written at a level easily understood by someone in their early teens. Along with miscellaneous admonitions, including that whatever "urges" one might feel, this was for married couples only, so one should suppress them until marriage. Puzzling warnings about "wasting precious bodily fluids," but no information about how one does that or how to avoid it. Dire warnings about the life-ruining disaster of getting a girl pregnant. No information about birth control. I learned that a bit later from school chums.

My immediate twelve-year-old response to this new knowledge was something like, "You gotta be kidding!!" A year or two later, I began to be aware of those "urges" the book mentioned and figured, "Well, hey now—!" (Flamingly heterosexual, GfS, just in case you try to imply that I desperately need your counseling of any of this, as you did in the Prop 9 thread—that'll be the day!).

Anyway, when that guy in the swimming pool approached me, I was clueless. But as my Dad said, I did the right thing. But I can see that there could have been a different outcome in a situation like that, and such has happened to more than one youngster, sometimes with fatal results.

I grew up in an age when grown-ups tried to keep their kids in innocent ignorance about sex until it became absolutely necessary that they know. There were periods in our not too far distant history when young women were not told the facts of life until their wedding night was imminent. And sometimes not even then, her parents often leaving it to her new husband to enlighten her. And beyond a few basics, he might not be all that enlightened himself!

My two sisters and I survived our adolescence with no problems. But withholding knowledge from kids until "absolutely necessary," can be pretty traumatic. I've heard of more that one young girl who had been kept in ignorance until her first period occurred, and she was terrified that something was horribly wrong with her and that she was about to die! That's not just negligent parenting, that's just downright cruel!

I'm all in favor of sex education being taught in school. This, of course implies that what is taught is age-appropriate and is taught by teachers competent to teach the subject. I'm not sure I agree, however, with the idea that parents should be allowed to determine whether they want their kids to receive this information or not. There are things kids simply need to know, whether their parents think so or not.

And yes, that includes information about what some might regard as the "sideroads" of sexuality, not just what most consider "normal" heterosexual sex.

Okay, GfS and Ake:   Take your best shot!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 05:11 PM

Don.

It isn't about them, its about dealing with ignorance and prejudice and having a grown up discussion about things that matter.

Things that you seem to have no difficulty with.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: John P
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 10:35 PM

Don, I think that's the same book my dad gave me when I was 12! He tossed the book on my bed and said, "read this" and then tossed a condom and said, "use this". I was both mystified and mortified.

Sex Ed in the schools is definitely a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 11:11 PM

Well, my dad was so embarrassed by the whole subject he left it up to my mom, who drew me some pictures on a pad of paper and let it go at that. Well, he was busy, of course... :D



A

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 02:38 AM

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–noun
1.         capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc

        
intelligent
        
        
in·tel·li·gent [ in téllijənt ]


2. sensible or rational: showing or resulting from an ability to think and understand things clearly and logically
an intelligent solution

3. comput able to store and process data: having a built-in electronic processing and data storage ability


...Yes..the ability to process information!!!

As for machines: "3. comput able to store and process data: having a built-in electronic processing and data storage ability"

Duhh!........Houston, we have a problem in the Mudcat forum..some people, professing to be wise, don't know what intelligence is, and will argue about anything..including the definition of 'intelligence'.

Beam me up, Scotty,..there is no intelligent life here!

not only that, they argue with me about the words and thoughts they try to stuff in my mouth....They must be 'folkies' of the 'Kumbayah Order'!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 03:37 AM

Quite correct Sanity, let the "intelligensia" impress one another.
The great unwashed are showing that common sense trumps phony intellectuals.....in almost every state in America....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 05:38 AM

Akenaton:
I asked where your information on homosexuals going into the priesthood because of the attraction of the celibacy rule.
Is it really going to take as long as it took you to respond to my clerical abuse example - or maybe it's a case of making it up as you go along to justify your somewhat blatant homophobia!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 10:18 AM

"Duhh!........Houston, we have a problem in the Mudcat forum..some people, professing to be wise, don't know what intelligence is, and will argue about anything..including the definition of 'intelligence'."

GfS, Definition no 3 refers to intelligence in machines.

Is that the sort that you have? are y7ou a machine?

We aren't.

We have the sort of intelligence spelled out in definition 1. and 2.

1.         capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc

      

2. sensible or rational: showing or resulting from an ability to think and understand things clearly and logically
an intelligent solution


Neither of which you referred to.


English is a complicated language.

Some words mean different things depending on their context.


And judgng by your earlier challenge with regard to the roots of ignorant, your grasp of words is shaky at best.


So you have problems with ignorance and intelligence ...

... no surprise to me.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 12:29 PM

Lox, re-read both of our posts, both of the Don's..I think you said it all...............................................in proving my point.

Ake, can you believe this???

Brain-lock in the first degree!!...and they still don't get it! If only they would apply the nonsense to 'possibly' include their own adherence to their own points of view, then they might even BEGIN to start having a clue!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Amos
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 12:40 PM

GtS: your armwaving shrillness is histrionic, but it is completely unpersuasive and does not communicate. It repeatedly invokes vague generalizations and uses them antagonistically, which of course dissuades others from responding to them, or even caring what you think.

I assume you are posting to make yourself right rather than to communicate. In other words, you are not thinking, you are dramatizing your own self-righteous game against the world. How does that work for you?



A

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 01:28 PM

GfS - you said:

"Intelligence is the ability to process information. The cleaner one keeps their filter, the more information you get to process."

Don Said:

"GfS rather simplistically states that "Intelligence = The ability to process information".

By this equation we find that in addition to the human race, Computers, Cell Phones, Microwave ovens, dishwashers, and automobile fuel injection systems are intelligent."


You posted a cut and paste from a dictionary that proved Don correct.


The cut and paste also included information about intelligence that is specific to humans.

Information which, judging by your original definition, you were unaware of. but that Don was aware of as it was he who pointed out you had neglected to take it into consideration.



Are there any other words that you need to learn the meaning of other than "ignorance" and "intelligence"?

Are there any other opposing viewpoints that you would like to corroborate at the expense of your own?


Oh and thank you for keeping me amused.