BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,

Subject: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 10:49 AM

Isn't it strange that we have had no comment on this
      from our resident promoters of homosexuality!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:03 AM

Your point is?

The man is gay, and he is also a paedophile. If you want to make more of those two independent facts, PROVE a causative link. Elsewise, just crawl back under your bridge and wait for more goats.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:09 AM

Oh, my ake-ing back!

1) As you know, signified by your marks, these men are not homosexual- they are paedophiles.

2) Most of us haven't heard about it so we couldn't comment on it. This didn't happen in America. Like you, those men are Scottish.

3) I don't know anyone on the Mudcat, nor do you, who is a promoter of homosexuality.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: alanabit
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:10 AM

Yes it is a horrible case. However, I will restate the obvious, which is that not all homosexuals are paedophiles and that not all paedophiles are homosexuals. This man is rightly going to prison for paedophile activity. His homosexuality should be no more of an issue than the colour of his eyes or the length of his hair.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:12 AM

Well hello Ake!!!...Gosh, do you think that the jury was 'homophobic'? Do you think the judge was politically leaning to the 'right'? Do you think that they forgot that orangutans in Kenya, do it in the jungle, that it was perfectly normal??...or in the Mudcat Forums, that those making excuses for their, or their neglected children's behavior, that is was unreasonable, hostile bias??....and the defendant was unjustly accused?????? Why, this is an 'outrage' to all the 'normal rabid' heteros, who think that children should be taught in the home, by example, as well as mature parenting, about sexuality, and the interaction of of ADULTS who can 'tolerate' the opposite long sex enough to nurture their children!!..you know, those same intolerant, 'homophobic' parents that don't want their 6 and 7 year old children to be 'taught'(read: indoctrinated), by some homosexual activist 'teacher', who is just there laundering his or her, or 'its' agenda!
Oh well, Hi, anyway!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:15 AM

Well, thank you for bringing this appalling news to our attention.
But what makes you think most Gays will not be as shocked as you or I
now reading of the crimes of these 2 vile evil paedo perverts ?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:22 AM

"It took six more weeks to unmask Rennie, who was arrested on December 16, 2007, at his flat in Edinburgh. Police initially struggled to identify the boy, but hours later an officer finally arrived at his home with horrific news for his parents. The life sentence for Child F's family had just begun."

Almost two years ago, akenaton. Why haven't you brought it to our attention sooner?


As Ebbie says - no one here PROMOTES homosexuality. Nor do we fear it.
Everyone here, I believe, is disgusted and horrifed by paedophiles whether gay or atraight. This animal has been molesting a child for years, since the baby was three months old. He was "Uncle Jamie" whom the family counted on to fill in as baby sitter whenever they needed. After years of abuse, his one slip-up was having a computer repaired. The photos were found and his downfall began. Cases like this make me wonder about the death penalty.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:26 AM

Well, I promote homosexuality every chance I get. Wanna meet in a public toilet, Ake?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:28 AM

Ebbie: After years of abuse, his one 'slip-up' was having a computer repaired.....
Yeah, damn 'slip ups'!!....interesting. I think you stated your position quite well!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:30 AM

Not all the TROLLS here sign in as guests.

I've done all this already, and moved on. I suggest leaving Ake to mumble to himself about our inability to see that if you can't see cats in pitch darkness they MUST all be black.

Out of here.....Enjoy!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: frogprince
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:30 AM

Don...Ebbie...Alanbit...Don't you realize that heterosexual paedophilia is virtually unknown, whereas at least 99.99999% of gay men are actually paedophiles? You liberals can blind yourselves to anything .

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:32 AM

Missed my 'sign in' on the one above....

michaelr: Well, I promote homosexuality every chance I get. Wanna meet in a public toilet, Ake?
...Another class act!!!...Sure baby, your toilet or mine!?!?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:36 AM

As usual Ebbie is right-on with all the relevant viewpoints, with which I MOST emphatically agree.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: jacqui.c
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:36 AM

It wasn't actually his computer - it belonged to the other guy who was caught with him.

I agree with erbert, in that most people, regardless of their sexuality, will be sickened by the behaviour of these paedophiles.

By the way, there is a difference between accepting differences in sexuality and promoting a hetero or homosexual lifestyle.

As was said by the actress, Mrs Patrick Campbell - "Does it really matter what these affectionate people do — so long as they don't do it in the streets and frighten the horses!"

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:37 AM

lol There is a paragraph above that would be hilarious in a skit. (Although, sad to say that the person has not yet learned to pay attention to who writes what.)

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 11:48 AM

What???......(Did I write that?)

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Lox
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 12:13 PM

Oh well done Ake.

Just to clarify the root of this issue, the last time I disagreed with ake was Here in the "pope on pedophile priests" thread.

A month has gone by and he has finally found a story that "proves" his opinion.

Congratulations.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 12:43 PM

Isn't it strange that we have had no comment, on a recent story in my local paper about a man who had been sexually abusing young girls for many years, before he was finally caught, from our resident promoters of heterosexuality!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 12:44 PM

Actually, GfS, you are quoting me:
Ebbie: After years of abuse, his one 'slip-up' was having a computer repaired.....
Yeah, damn 'slip ups'!!....interesting. I think you stated your position quite well!


Good point GUEST.
All homosexuals and all Scotsmen must be paedophiles. This story proves it.

Beam me up Scottie...

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 12:46 PM

Alanbit: 'Yes it is a horrible case. However, I will restate the obvious, which is that not all homosexuals are paedophiles and that not all paedophiles are homosexuals'.....

..and the members of NAMBLA, are upstanding members of the PTA!!....Go figure......
Hey, come to think of it,,95% of all forest fires are caused by trees....right?
..Sorry Sinsull, I didn't give you correct acknowledgments!!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,erbert
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 01:01 PM

blimey , so going by the prevailing logic..

"X is a Y and also a Z
therefore all Y's are Z"

.. if either one of them evil Scottish paedo perverts can be proven
to have ever played the bagpipes.. ?






ps.. anyone managed yet to find any old obscure news item
to prove the case that all banjo players are filthy disgusting perverts ?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 01:14 PM

erbert, I did find something about "yodeling banjo players." Oh, the humanity.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 01:19 PM

erbert: 'ps.. anyone managed yet to find any old obscure news item
to prove the case that all banjo players are filthy disgusting perverts ?'

What????..Everybody knows banjo players are perverts!..You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him play a banjo!....umm, or something like that...

Now as far as the bagpipes...hmmm, that requires a government funded study! Apply for the grant, maybe they'll give you enough for new pipes!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 01:20 PM

According to BlurtIt:
   It has been found that about 90% of forest fires are due to human factors. Smokers may start a forest fire by carelessly dropping lighted matches and cigarettes in a forest. Campers and picnickers or tourists may also start a fire by throwing lighted items on the ground or into the bushes. Some times sparks from locomotives powered by coal or wood may also ignite dry grass or trees beside the railway line.


Wrong again,GfS.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 01:29 PM

The complicating factor is that the man involved had been an extremely highly regarded activist on behalf of gay rights.

"an influential lobbyist who advised Scottish parliamentarians on youth policy, he rose to the height of his profession and was invited to receptions where he met the Queen and Tony Blair" and "the former chief executive of LGBT (Lesbian Gay Bisexual Trans-Sexual) Youth Scotland and a former president of Heriot-Watt University Students Association" ( Times Online)

That makes it a particularly shocking case, analogous in some ways to cases where other people in positions of trust have been found to have sexually abused children. It shouldn't be taken as suggesting that all gay men are pedophiles any more than all priests or all nursery assistants. But it is a reminder that respectability is no guarantee of anything.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 01:32 PM

I think this story proves that all men are paedophiles.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 01:36 PM

It's not uncommon for paedophiles to become very trusted figures in the way this man did. It seems to provide some cover for them.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 01:43 PM

Carol - We have had TWO cases in UK over this year that involved women running Nurseries who were molesting children in their care

And as an Ex Bagpiper (Sgt Piper , Raf Cosford Pipe Band) and current Banjo player I suppose I am very remisss in NOT being a pervert !

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 01:47 PM

and there was this man who came home to find that his girlfriend had packed her bags and was leaving him.
"Why?" he asked.
"Because I found out that you're a pedophile!" she answered (you can tell she was an American by the spelling)
"My, my. Such a big word for a ten-year-old".....

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 01:51 PM

Carol - We have had TWO cases in UK over this year that involved women running Nurseries who were molesting children in their care

That settles it then. All adults are paedophiles.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 02:21 PM

It's more widespread than you think. My dog Sadie is not only aberrant, she's transgendered/gay. She tried to hump Falkner this AM. And THAT proves that all humans are also bestial-- if we are looking to offer extremes to match Ake.

~S~

Some of my best friends are.... HUMAN.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 02:25 PM

MAybe it was meeting the Queen that turned him, ya think?


A

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Gervase
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 02:28 PM

Isn't it strange that we have had no comment on this
      from our resident promoters of homosexuality!
And isn't is strange that some knobhead with peculiar personal hangups about homosexuality feels the need to start a thread in as inflammatory a fashion as possible and then bugger off?
Is any other comment really needed? The original poster clearly has issues which need professional help, and nothing that's added here is going to help him sort them.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: gnu
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 03:02 PM

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 12:23 PM

Jeezus, Scottish people sure are perverts!

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Not as perverted as you.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: gnu
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 03:11 PM

Sorry.... I was just gonna ignore this thread and let it die as it should, but I found that comment by that idiot "too much".

gnightgnu

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Paul Burke
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 04:52 PM

Why didn't the OP bring our attention to this one, or the original case that precipitated it? Could it be that he only regards paedophilia as abhorrent when it's perpetrated by homosexuals?

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 05:13 PM

"ou can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him play a
banjo!.:GtS

Actually, that's a great line. Could wish you spent a little more time on that side of your personality.

McGrath, the fact that the man was such a 'respectable' member of society doesn't make his crimes worse. (Not that I think that is what you are saying.) The crimes themselves are so horrendous that nothing could possibly make them worse.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 05:38 PM

Hi fans...been working late!

Don.. so now members who don't share your views are "trolls"..very convenient!

Ebbie
1 These creatures were homosexuals and paedophiles. They also were members of a larger ring several of whom have been already sentenced.
2 The race or nationality of either has no bearing on their sexual behaviour.
3 Mr Peekstock styles himself a "heterosexual homosexual activist", he is supported by many of the knee jerk "liberals" here.

Sinsull.. these people were only sentenced on 30th Oct. The story was carried on the main pages of the Times (not an "obscure" story) and had not come to my attention before.

Sanity
Good to see you back, your input is always original and welcome.

Alanabit
No one is suggesting that "all homosexuals are paedophiles", but the ever increasing number of cases of sexual abuse of young boys by adult male homosexuals does point to a possible propensity in that direction.
Any study of homosexual history will show abuse of young boys was common an certainly not frowned upon.

Susan..many of my friends are HUMAN....none are PAEDOPHILES.

As usual,with a few exceptions, contributers to this thread are more concerned with saving the face of homosexual paedophiles than with the abused children or their families....enough said!

Mr McGrath.. as you know, we do not always agree on this forum, but I respect you as one of the most reasoning members here.
You have gone straight to the crux of why I opened this thread
"The complicating factor is that the man involved had been an extremely highly regarded activist on behalf of gay rights."
That fact in itself surely opens the door for a discussion on homosexuality and a possible propensity to paedophilia, or would such a discussion be forbidden by the "thought police"

The case of the care nurse who took pictures of herself abusing children in her care, although disgusting, appears to be a red herring, as these women seem to have be under the influence/ control of a man.......It is EXTREMELY rare to find a case of a woman sexually abusing young children...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 06:32 PM

Oh dear me!!....The remark about 95% 0f all forest fires is caused by trees, is satire..and actually used by Pat Paulsen, on the 'Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour'!, in the mid 60's..Just Goes to show ya'!..Jeez, some people just want to argue at the drop of a hat!
Just for those who DON'T get it..its used to denote a response to ridiculous arguments...(*sigh*)..So, I guess I stand corrected(?)...Good thing you aren't a fundamentalist Christian!..you'd be spending more time legalistic arguing with other fundamental Christians, than you would be practicing the 'Golden Rule'!!!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 06:36 PM

Ebbie: "ou can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him play a
banjo!.:GtS

Actually, that's a great line. Could wish you spent a little more time on that side of your personality.

See what reading can do for ya' Ebs..glad to provide you with great literature! Might work wonders on your personality as well! Just look what we can do for each other!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: frogprince
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 06:43 PM

"with a few exceptions, contributers to this thread are more concerned with saving the face of homosexual paedophiles than with the abused children or their families"
Akeneton, how dare you; go back and quote any statement in this thread which constitutes a defence of any pedophile.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 06:58 PM

Perhaps I better explain what I meant Frogprince.

I wouldn't expect anyone here to defend paedophilia, but many of the posts contain no expression of sympathy for the abused children or their families, while forcefully making the point that "there is no connection between homosexuality and paedophilia"

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 07:07 PM

The OP made no expression of sympathy for the children either, while he did make a reference to "our resident promoters of homosexuality". It would certainly appear that homosexuality rather than child abuse was the issue that the OP wanted discussed.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: bobad
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 07:08 PM

"there is no connection between homosexuality and paedophilia"

If by that you mean that some paedophiles are homosexual then it can also be said that there is a connection between heterosexuality and paedophilia as some heterosexuals are paedophiles.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 07:12 PM

ake...if you read properly, instead of just interpreting posts YOUR way, you'd realize that no one is saying "There in NO connection..", but merely that it is not a regular, causal connection. And why would NOT typing specific expressions of sympathy imply that one is not opposed to abuse of children?

You have a serious case of "If you are not totally with me, you are against me."

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 07:20 PM

Fair enough Bill, I accept what you say up to a point, but I didn't say anyone here is not opposed to the abuse of children.
I simply said that most were more concerned with defending homosexuals than in expressing sympathy for the abused.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: sing4peace
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 07:44 PM

We Mudcatters often don't agree on things but I am certain that all who have posted here share a deep sorrow for the victims of these crimes. We disagree on several points of blame and logic here though.

From working six years as a legal secretary for the public defender's office, I observed that most pedophiles (as it's spelled here in the U.S.) were heterosexual men. That does not mean that homosexuals and women aren't also capable of abusing children. If there is any one unifying factor it is that the perpetrators were adults. ome of them just barely.

Abuse transcends the lines of gender, sexual orientation, class, ability, religion, country and professional,public or private accomplishment. Abuse ripples and renders for generations.

There are people from all walks of life abusing children right now as we are having this conversation. Many of those perpetrators were abused as children themselves and repeat the crime again and again in much the same way other traumatized people are drawn to repeat the patterns of the trauma. Not excusing anything here - only explaining causal relationship.

Often abuse is known about by other people but never spoken of for fear of getting involved or of embarrassing the victim. Through silence and inaction, entire communities of people can be collusive in the abuse of a child.

Homophobia (or xenophobia for that matter) is an easy energy to manipulate when people want to scape goat and focus attention on just one sector of humanity in an attempt to deflect attention away from the sins of their "own kind".

Humans of all stripes are capable of such violence - but they are also capable of great compassion and courage. It doesn't help us to protect children from predators or help us to advance past the violent culture we live in to perpetuate inaccurate conclusions based on hatred and fear.



Joyce

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 08:11 PM

"...most were more concerned with defending homosexuals..."

It seems to me that most are just expressing the idea that *homosexuality* is one natural mode of being.

There are abusers who are heterosexual as well. ALL abusers of children should be opposed and prosecuted.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 08:24 PM

It is inevitable that when a leading member of a community is convicted of sexually abusing children, including in this case a baby, that will be seen as reflecting on the whole community. That applies just as much when the community involved is the gay community as it does when it is a religious community. (And vice versa, of course.) And it is inevitable that it will get used as ammunition by people who for other reasons are hostile.

At the same time it is reasonable to wish for some examination of whether there is anything in the culture of the community which may have contributed to what happened, or disarmed suspicion of the individuals involved.

It is perfectly right to contest the absurd notion that being homosexual and being a paedophile are the same thing, That makes no more sense than suggesting that being heterosexual and being a paedophile are the same thing. But while no one would dream of suggesting that it is possible to assume that heterosexuals cannot be paedophiles, there are people who come perilously close to asserting the equivalent position for homosexuals.

The truth is, there are gay paedophiles, and there are bisexual paedophiles, just there are straight paedophiles.

Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Nov 09 - 08:41 PM

McGrath: 'The truth is, there are gay paedophiles, and there are bisexual paedophiles, just there are straight paedophiles.'

That is true..there is no corner on what group will go over the limit...but then, there is NAMBLA...which is comprised basically of homosexual 'paedophile likes'. I do not recall a hetero group, of either sex belonging to any comparable group..or do I know of any that exist! Methinks its just another 'attempt' to try to legitimize ..ummm...'diversity'? ...oh well..'equal rights'(?), eh?