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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 22 Jul 10 - 07:00 AM More Tea Party misinformation shot down in flames... Here one, however, that seems to be true... Ya' ll all know who Michelle Baughman is, I'm sure... Yeah, she is a representastiove from a highly gerrymandered distict and is safe as yesterday doing any whacko thing she wants in terms of getting re-elected so... ...she has orgainized a Tea Party Caucus in the House of Representative!!! No kidding!!! She started with 6 Republican reps and is up to 36 of the 150 or so in the House... Boy, I'd like to sit in on one of their meetings... Wonder if they hang the Hitler/Obama poster up and chant hang him in their meetings??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Ebbie Date: 22 Jul 10 - 01:42 AM Melissa, I love you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Melissa Date: 22 Jul 10 - 01:04 AM snopes, tax increase/health insurance |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Jul 10 - 12:53 AM You'll NEED to read this one!!!! It'll effect your check next year, no matter who you are!!!!! Oh: and thomas.gov is a REAL government website!!!!!! too YOU MAY WANT TO READ THIS! IT MAY AFFECT YOUR BOTTOM LINE NEGATIVELY NEXT TAX PERIOD. I contacted my Congressman about House bill HR 3590, the health care bill. I asked for a summary of changes. The Aid directed me to go to www.thomas.gov http://www.thomas.gov%3chttp/thomas.gov/; enter HR 3590 in the search box and look for summaries. Starting in 2011 (next year folks) your W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are given by the company. It does not matter if that's a private concern or Governmental body of some sort. If you're retired? So what; your gross WILL go up by the amount of insurance you get. You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have never seen. Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or $20,000 additional gross does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year. For many it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's even worse. This is how the government is going to buy insurance for 15 % that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases. Not believing this, I researched the summaries and here's what I'm reading: On page 25 of 29: TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET PROVISIONS - (sec. 9001, as modified by sec. 10901) Sec.9002. "requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employee's gross income." Joan Pryde is the senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters. Go to Kiplinger's and read about 13 tax changes that could affect you. Number 3 is what I just told you about. I hope you forward this to every single person in your address book. People have the right to know the truth because an election is coming in November and we need to vote in Conservatives that will repeal this horrid law! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:44 PM As time moves on there are several certainties regarding the tea party; One is that the extreme right wing swing of their political pendulum will move toward the center. Second, they will still not attract as many independants as they predict. Third, while less certain, if the republicans do gain a house majority, the 30 odd members of the tea party Congressional Caucus will become the killer pit bull pet of the Republicans to create things like a House Unamerican Activity Commitee to demonize suspected Socialists while the Republicans will pretend plausible deniability to tea party deeds. In other words the right will not be satisfied with teaching once and for all that America is made of, by and for the rich, they will feel a need to punish the non believers. Fourth, the tea party will NEVER put their money where thier mouths are regarding no deficit spending. Otherwise the wars would be the first thing cut, and that is of course anathma to the Republican military contractor complex. When the right gets on a roll they have proven they have no brakes so "IF" I were to really go out on a predition limb, the birther members of the House of representatives will be given a new veneer of power as they will claim their case is finally proven with new Congressional investigations by a division of HLS instead of the GAO. They may even insist upon deportation for the Obama family for the rest of their lives. Also if any attack upon the US is successful the right will foam at their mouths for a full lock down police state mode. IT seems an attack on the US is actually on some Republican wish lists. PS Bobert you really seem to be getting your 'Liberal freak' on. Good for you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:02 PM Very well put, Don... There is no sanity left in our policies.... It's all about corruption... Why do you think that Dick Armey's lobby/PR folks organized the Tea Party in the first place??? Well, to the grunts, i.e. the actual Tea Party folks it because Obama is this or that and the elitists are callin' us rednecks... But when you strip away who is using whom and fir what purpose??? This is 100% about the Repubs getting back to the big money... Nothin' else on the planet... The corporations are in complete control of the money... So, the Repubs right now would marry up with the SS, to go along with their marryin' up with the radical right Tea Party, if it means gettin back to the big dough... This is 100% about money right now as far as the Repubs are concerned and let's not forget what money was used to orgainize the Tea Party in the first place... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:43 PM Going on for easily the past thirty years now, Seattle has needed to upgrade its transit system. Three times now, the voters have voted for a monorail system. Not just the iconic Seattle monorail that runs from Westlake Square downtown the mile-and-a-half to the Seattle Center, but one that serves the entire city and nearby communities. One of the many advantages of a monorail is that existing streets are usable even when the pylons and overhead tracks are being put in. And when it's finished, rather than buses or surface rail taking up space and adding to the street congestion, the monorail trains run overhead, above the street traffic. And monorails cost the taxpayers a mere fraction of what surface rail systems cost, both to install and to maintain, especially if the surface rail system involves any tunnels. Another advantage of a monorail system is that, if it is eventually found that it doesn't serve commuters all that well, the overhead rails can be remove and the pylons dug up (with minimum impact on the surrounding area while it is being done), and they can be moved and installed somewhere else. If a surface light rail system complete with subways doesn't do what it's supposed to do (as is the case with such a system in Los Angeles), you're just bloody well stuck with it! And three times now, the will of the voters has been ignored. Currently being built is a combination surface and subway system, involving digging a tunnel under the Lake Washington ship canal and under Capitol Hill. This involves building subway stations along the way. And not more than a half-dozen city blocks from where I live, a two block area, the former site of several businesses that served the neighborhood, has been condemned. There is currently a massive hole there where a subway station, complete with elevators to the tunnel below, is being built. $$$$$$ and more $$$$$$!! There's one helluva lot of corruption in there somewhere!! Now, while all this is going on, there is a big dispute over replacing the I-90 waterfront viaduct, which was damaged in the Nisqually earthquake nine-and-a-half years ago. Although it is still being used, it's deemed unsafe. And God help anyone driving on it should another earthquake hit, which in this seismically active zone, is sure to happen sooner or later. Rebuild the viaduct? Tear it down and replace it with 1) a surface highway along the waterfront? Or 2) a tunnel, which would allow free access to all the shops, restaurants, and other facilities on the shores of Elliot Bay? But this tunnel would require building a new sea wall. And suppose you're driving through the tunnel when that inevitable earthquake occurs and a fractured sea wall allows Elliot Bay to come roaring in? All of these options, except for the surface highway, which is currently being ignored, involve, to quote the late Carl Sagan, "billions and billions" of taxpayer dollars. In the meantime Seattle and environs is frequently in the throes of massive traffic gridlock. Any solution is going to impact the taxpayers severely. And Seattle is not the only city to experience problems of this nature. Or unique problems of their own that involve massive amounts of funding to solve. And you will note that I'm not even mentioning the national budget. And the Military. . . . I wouldn't mind seeing a bit of FDR-style "socialist" regulation being applied to the miscreants, both in the legislatures (both local and national), and in business, who push for the most expensive systems they can peddle so they can line their pockets with taxpayer's money. This is why, if Emilio and Maria Rodriquez, unregistered immigrants, have to take their eight-year-old daughter, Teresa, to a hospital emergency room because their worried about her sore throat, and Medicare has to pick up the tab because they don't have insurance and they don't make that much (he's a gardener and she cleans houses), I don't really sweat it all that much. Concentrating one's complaints on little folks like this is a bit like spending one's time and energy swatting at flies while lions and tigers and bears (oh, my!) are raging throughout the land! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:10 PM Nah, Rigs... They wouldn't... There was a time in our country's history were most white folk didn't give a second thought about slavery being immoral and inhuman... The Tea Party is the new 'n improved KKK... No two ways about it... But yeah, if ya' go back a couple hundred years the Tea Party would fit right in... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:43 PM Actually, that's Had Matter. Had the fate of the country mattered, everyone would have supported the Tea Party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:42 PM Brad Hatter - Tea Party candidate ;,) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 06:36 PM It's not anywhere near a wash, Don. The employer pays a little fraction of what it costs to support all of these illegal people, but he reaps huge benefits. An organic farmer who does all of his own work has to pay for the corporate farmer's greed and gets no benefit from it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:59 PM Here's a clue for you, Rig. The employer has to pay taxes too, so he also pays for that litany of sins you complain about. It's a wash. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:07 PM "Perhaps you can explain something for me, Rig." Of course, the job goes to the lowest bidder. The employer doesn't have to take into account such things as school budgets, food stamps, welfare, emergency room expenses, SSI to aged parents, illegaly gained unemployment compensation, and things that become stolen around the community, because the taxpayer picks up the tab for those things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:35 PM Yeah, mouse. Futile. Bad habit of mine. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: mousethief Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:19 PM Now there's that logic thing again, Don. That's just not wanted here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:13 PM Perhaps you can explain something for me, Rig. Suppose you were looking for a job picking asparagus, apples, lettuce, or whatever. What difference would it really make to you if the jobs you looking for were already filled by either an immigrant farm worker or a machine? The job has already been filled in either case. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:02 PM Then you have to pay more for an up-scale tomatoe. That's a lot cheaper than supporting a bunch of farm workers in the off-season, and their children, and their aged parents, and, and, and, and... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: KB in Iowa Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:54 PM Of course, if they were breaking rocks with twelve pound hammers cheaper than rock could be produced in a rock-crusher, and somebody came along and said, "Take our jobs." The response would be, "What's the point?" But that is not what they were doing. I believe you have said before that machines could harvest the crops as well as and cheaper than people can but in many cases that is not true. In some cases where it is true it is still not automatically desirable. Tomatoes can be harvested mechanically. In order to do this and still get something on the shelves that people will buy a type of tomato had to be developed that could withstand the rigors. They are notoriously tasteless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:45 PM Try this one on for size. If the tea baggers, with the attitudes they have displayed so far, and the kind of people they support, were time machined back a couple of centuries, would they be trying to protect the Indians from "Manifest Destiny?" Or would they be right in there, shoving them off their ancestral lands and murdering those who were reluctant to leave? As brutal as some of the Manifest Destiny bunch were, at least they were not running actual murder factories. Don Firth P. S. The last time I was up around the Tulalip Indian Reservation (some forty miles north of where I live), I didn't notice that there were, or ever had been, any gas chambers there. And nobody is stopping anyone from leaving the reservation if they want to (in fact, many do). And--there are a couple of casinos on the reservation, however, and it looks to me like they're doing pretty darned well at fleecing the tourists! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:43 PM Of course, if they were breaking rocks with twelve pound hammers cheaper than rock could be produced in a rock-crusher, and somebody came along and said, "Take our jobs." The response would be, "What's the point?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:36 PM And I'd bet of those 3 that none of them are still in thr fields... That's one of the things, among many, the Tea Party folks really don't get... Might of fact, I'd love to see a panel of them on TV being asked questions about current events, civics, economics and government to see just what it is that these folks ****do*** get??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Amos Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:19 PM The head of the United Farm Workers, a very benign fellow, was on Colbert last week. They have a program called "Take Our Jobs" aimed at those who claim illegal immigrants (who do the majority of the crop and farm labor in areas like the Salinas and San Joaquin Valleys and Arizona) are taking American jobs. They offer an open invitation to Americans to come and work in the fields doing the jobs that illegal immigrants do. This should produce a lot of action, ione would think, considering the national unemployment statistics. So far they have had THREE (count 'em--3!) takers. Colbert was buffaloed into agreeing to try it, too! His first question: "Is there air conditioning?" A |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: KB in Iowa Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:59 PM "The Holocaust that happened in North America happened to the American Indians." Rig Not even close. I'm beginning to understand you. They were not the same of course but I wouldn't say they were not even close. Both involved efforts to intentionally wipe out populations of fellow humans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:57 PM I guess we see these events differently. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Ebbie Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:52 PM Nope, Rig. Not even close. What the States did to the American Indians was invasion and conquest, actions that have happened since time immemorial, actions that all governments and political bodies understand. What happened in the Holocaust was far, far different. The Holocaust involved government spotlighting some of their own people: Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, mentally ill people, old people, crippled people, and attempting to eradicate them. It is a betrayal of the worst sort when your own country turns on you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:31 PM Let's see, wiping out the bison and leaving the Indians out on the plains to starve and freeze to death was not even close. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Jayto Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:30 PM I disagree with the Tea Party. I am glad to see people get vocal and show their digust in how things are going though. Even if I disagree with alot they are saying and basically think alot of them are just puppets that are too blind or emotional to see they are being used as puppets. As far as terrorists no I don't think that. I know I am not scared at all by any of them. The more I see and hear statements that are threatening or violent and aimed at "Liberals" the more I stand up and proclaim myself a Liberal. They are running off alot of moderates though in my opinion. I have considered myself a moderate for years. I really dont think anyone with a mind in use can just say they are liberal on every subject or conservative on every issue. If someone threatens me or makes me take a stand bc of harsh words or threats I will pick a side. The side I pick will be the opposite of the person trying to scare me to their side. I feel the Tea Baggers (yep) are trying to do this. I support them voicing their opinions and organizing. I don't agree with them but I am happy they are doing it. I will no succomb to threats or fear though. There are a bunch of people out there that feel the same. You are always going to have people that are "over the top" in any movement. I oppose alot of what the Tea Party says and their actions but I support them being able to do it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Ebbie Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:44 PM "The Holocaust that happened in North America happened to the American Indians." Rig Not even close. I'm beginning to understand you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: mousethief Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:38 PM "Johnson said Hitler images are usually not allowed at North Iowa Tea Party gatherings." Check out the adverb! Rig: The question that needs to be asked, is seems to me, is: How did American's get so dumb? Republicans cutting school budgets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Donuel Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:44 AM Unless you can prove that Dick Army and the multi national corporations which he serves are terrorists, you can't prove the tea party is a terrorist organization. Don, how about a Palin Beck ticket for hot and cold chills? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: KB in Iowa Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:20 AM "I'm saying we should pay attention to innocent victims." " I don't know why Americans pay so much attention to Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants. It was something that happened in Europe." That is not what this sounds like. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:18 AM I'm saying we should pay attention to innocent victims. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: KB in Iowa Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:15 AM Rig, are you saying we should only concern ourselves with things that happen/happened in North America and not about what happens/happened in the rest of the world? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:04 AM The Holocaust that happened in North America happened to the American Indians. Of course, they don't own newspapers and television networks, and... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Ebbie Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:00 AM Just for the record I need to respond to this: "I don't know why Americans pay so much attention to Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants. It was something that happened in Europe." Rig, are you really that stupid? I hadn't thought so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:28 AM Good question, Rigs... But dumb is in... Has been for going on a couple decades now... Daddy Bush started it with his class warfare and Junior picked right up where his dad left off... Now the in thing among the dumbed down is to ridicule as "elitists" anyone who bothered to get an education... Throw in the last 8 years of flat-earth scientists being the voices of the Bush administartion and dumb policies on stem cell research and now even this anti-immigration movement and we're seein' a major brain drain as intellegent and educated people are either not coming here to work or leaving to work... Either way... The dumb are winning... I quess you call it winning??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:19 AM Well, I agree with you, TIA, on their use of the word "socialist." I was just reacting to KB's request. The question that needs to be asked, is seems to me, is: How did American's get so dumb? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:44 AM Don't give thewm any new ideas, TIA... I mean, these people are insanly out of touch with any reality and I really don't think they see and BIGASS LIE as *too big* to tell... I blame the FCC for most of this... When they decided that the public air waves weren't realy "public" and sold them off to the highest bidder that allowed corporations with agendas to buy them up and put out false information in the name of "news"... Now the toothpaste is out of the tube and we ain't gonna ever get it back in and the FOX/corportist/complex has succeeded in brainwashing enough people who are willing to do the "brownshirting" for Fox and its right winged corporte partners... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,TIA Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:36 AM Bingo Greg F. The Tea Bag morons (and Faux News, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc.) are reacting to a word with no understanding of it at all. Perhaps they should mount a campaign comparing National Car Rental to the Nazis (National Socialist Party). This would make every bit as much sense. Perhaps they should also compare National Velvet to The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Greg F. Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:30 AM Why not? Because the very last thing Pres. Obama is, is a socialist. Just more lies, stupidity, ignorance and bullshit: the Four Horsemen of the TeaBagger Apocalypse. They also need to review the political philisophies of Adolf & Vladimir- the "socialist" label is so broad as to be meaningless applied to those two. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 21 Jul 10 - 07:51 AM Sure, the were making the most of the word "Socialist." National Socialist, and etc. The have Obama pegged as a socialist, so why not compare him to socialists of the past. I don't know why Americans pay so much attention to Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants. It was something that happened in Europe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: KB in Iowa Date: 20 Jul 10 - 04:31 PM Interesting take Rig. Care to comment on the actual subject of my post? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 20 Jul 10 - 03:56 PM Because if they dig too deep they might find out the truth about Democrats? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: KB in Iowa Date: 20 Jul 10 - 02:25 PM Meanwhile back at the Ranch... Blue Clicky Iowa billboard linking Obama, Hitler removedAn Iowa tea party group on Wednesday replaced a billboard comparing President Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler and Vladimir Lenin, calling the sign a bad decision that reflected poorly on the organization. Workers papered over the sign in downtown Mason City at the request of the North Iowa Tea Party. "We got it covered up first thing this morning," said Kent Beatty, the general manager of the company that owns the billboard. The roughly 200-member tea party group had the original sign put up last week. It showed photographs of Obama, Nazi leader Hitler and communist leader Lenin beneath the labels "Democrat Socialism," "National Socialism," and "Marxist Socialism." After the billboard drew sharp criticism by other state and national tea party leaders, members of the local group sought the change. North Iowa Tea Party co-founder Bob Johnson said he and other leaders agreed with critics that the image of Obama between Hitler and Lenin was offensive. He said the images overwhelmed the intended message of anti-socialism. "They are absolutely right in their criticism because the image of Hitler just totally wiped everything else and it misrepresents the tea party movement," Johnson said. "They were right from the standpoint that the image was not a positive reflection on the tea people." Johnson said Hitler images are usually not allowed at North Iowa Tea Party gatherings. Removal of the sign was welcomed by the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, a New York-based group. The North Iowa Tea Party "acted properly in removing the grotesquely offensive sign which should never have been put up in the first place. Had they not acted to remove it they would have severely damaged the credibility of legitimate political causes they espouse," the group said in a statement. "We ask that political groups do not trivialize our suffering in the future by making false analogies with Hitler's horrendous crimes." For now, the sign has been plastered over with one urging people to notify officials before digging. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jul 10 - 12:31 PM First of all, stop trying to define what OTHER people are willing to do for work! A man who is providing for his family might do just about anything. The natural citizens of any country should be able to choose that, and not have it 'decided' for them, by the political lunatics trying to further an already stupid agenda!! Fact: Borders are borders...and borders are borders for a reason. Why not wander into your neighbors house and do or take what you want??...and before you get all dishonestly 'indignant', ANSWER the question! You earned what you earned for your house...what entitles anyone else to just go help themselves??? This argument is at best, blatantly dishonest, and another bunch of bullshit, trying to masquerade, as 'progressively hip', and pro humanitarian. This argument amounts to nothing more than lame excuses, that end up weakening our country's security and economy! There is nothing wrong or immoral with immigrants, doing that work, LEGALLY, and a government enforcing its laws and borders. This crap has been going on under both party's administrations...the biggest problem is some of you lemmings never asked 'WHY'!...but rather just parrot some talking points, of morons of questionable motives! Hey man, duhhh, just deluge 14-15 million schleps, into anywhere, without a fucking ounce of accountability as to the IMPACT that brings on an infrastructure, economy, or well being of EVERYONE affected, and then try to come off as a 'humanitarian good guy'??? In fact, you're a short sighted ASS GfS! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Riginslinger Date: 20 Jul 10 - 10:28 AM Well, machines used to harvest grapes, but since the wages for farm labor went so low, the harverters have been parked and many of the manufacterers have gone out of business. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Bobert Date: 20 Jul 10 - 07:59 AM Yeah, there are limits to what fruits and veggies can be harvested with machines... Most of what we see in the produce sections are things that machines cannot harvest... Farmer Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: mousethief Date: 19 Jul 10 - 11:15 PM Machines can't harvest strawberries. And many other crops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: GUEST,Riginslinger Date: 19 Jul 10 - 09:04 PM "Would you risk your health and well-being by braving a cloud of pesticides while spend dawn to dusk seven days a week harvesting apples, grapes, asparagus, et al, while getting paid something like two-bits for every bushel basket you can fill?" No reason to, we have machines to do that. The problem is, the illegals work so cheap it doesn't pay to run the machines. Pay ten-cents a pound more for tomatoes, and save millions in property taxes going to educate non-English speaking students. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization?? From: Don Firth Date: 19 Jul 10 - 08:35 PM Well, he was an artist. Some people might consider that "non-essential." I don't, but some might. Would you risk your health and well-being by braving a cloud of pesticides while spend dawn to dusk seven days a week harvesting apples, grapes, asparagus, et al, while getting paid something like two-bits for every bushel basket you can fill? Do you eat, apples, grapes, asparagus? Who will harvest this stuff if Hispanic immigrants either won't do it or are not allowed to do it? Nobody I know. Swabbing out toilets in public rest rooms for minimum wage? Sometimes way less than minimum wage? Would you? Don Firth |