BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 10:21 PM

Not sure how this is related to the Tea Party but, hey... This is Mudcat... lol...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 10:17 PM

BTW, I have over 70 microscopic Asparagus seedlings between 3 and 4 inches high. Cost of seeds was $3.49. The roots I wanted would have been over $200. No way. An all-male hybrid called UC 72. This year's "garden event".

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 09:53 PM

Worked!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 09:52 PM

Thanks, pdq... I'll try it...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 09:41 PM

Bobert...

If you go to "Quick Links" at the top of the page, the first item is "login".

It works just fine.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 08:49 PM

Them were the days, John, P...

Now it's, "Thanks, but I gotta drive..."

BTW, in a true democracy, totalitarianism is never possible... It only becomes possible in a corrupted system and then it is no longer a true democracy...

Bobert (no cookie)

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 03:18 PM

Either way, totalitarianism is the ultimate goal of ANY party!

Yeah, I used to go to a lot of parties where the goal was to get totally . . . well, never mind . . .

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 08:49 PM

Either way, totalitarianism is the ultimate goal of ANY party!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 03:36 PM

Ultra patriotism and the BIG LIE are the hallmarks of fascism...

A good read on the subject is Russ Bellant's "Old Nazis, the New Right and the Republican Party"...

Bobert (cookie locked out temporarily by someone who knows all too well what Mr. Bellant is talking about)

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 03:47 AM

Thank you, Don, for the 'sad news'. Giorgio was both a great guy, and a wonderful friend, and whose advice I will ALWAYS remember and cherish.
I'll tell my kids, as well.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 07:58 AM

Poor Bobert is hearing voices again.

Jason Levin, Tea Party crasher's Manifesto:
    First, I'd like to tell you a little about my intellectual evolution over the past 10 years: In Pennsylvania I was a dyed-in-the-wool liberal After moving to California and living in the dessert for a year I was offered a job in the San Francisco Bay Area (right around the time George W. was APPOINTED president by the supreme court). While living in the Bay I experienced an odd sensation. I found that living in a liberal fishbowl did not appeal to me. The fact that everyone thought exactly the same way did not inspire intelligent political discourse. In fact, as a gun owner I learned quickly that there is an orthodoxy to the left that is just as pig-headed and irrational as those on the right So I am No Fan of Nancy Pelosi, or members of her ilk. More than ever, I find myself following the Libertarian tenants of personal responsibility, and choice as the core of freedom In essence, my philosophy revolves around a simple central ideal: True Freedom is the greatest thing a society can offer it's constituents.

    Oregon is the only state in 50 with a right to die law (something I support strongly) and where marijuana is basically legal (something I also support). Basically, Oregon is the Leave Me the Fuck Alon state.

    I was one of the first people I know to posit the theory that we are intentionally fucking up Iraq to destabilize the middle east, and to allow Iran to fight a proxy war with Saudi Arabia. If that is our plan, then I have nothing but respect for those geniuses in the pentagon. We need to sit back and let those bastards kill each other and then have a cold war with the Caliphate that rises from the ashes But if this is indeed the plan, we have already been there too long, and lost too many American lives

    I have absolutely no problem with conservative thought and opinion. The older I get, and closer to having a child the more I see the wisdom of a certain amount of social equilibrium over tumultuous change. But I am not willing to support that equilibrium at the cost of personal individual freedoms. Which brings us to my 10 point manifesto. I believe:

    1. You own your body. If you want to put drugs into it (like weed, heroin, alcohol, or tobacco) you should be free to do so. And it should be taxed. If you want to sell your body, you should be free to do so. And it should be taxed. Both should be regulated (like the food supply) to ensure public safety. Both should be available only to adults. Also if you want to kill yourself, be my guest. It's your body so it's your decision to leave it.

    2. Everyone is free to get married. That goes for a man and a woman, two men, two women, three women and a man, four men and two women, whatever So go ahead and do whatever the hell you want in your own bedroom, as long as the participants are all consenting adults. Oh, and if being Gay is against God's will why does every species on the planet engage in homosexual behavior?

    3. Everyone must be provided with basic healthcare. Universal government sponsored healthcare as a baseline is just as much of a necessity for a thriving society as public schools.

    4. Church and State must remain separate. One of the biggest problems in this country right now is the hijacking of the republican party by right-wing fundamentalists who are convinced that 2000 years ago the Sky Daddy had a baby with a virgin, and for some reason this entitles them to tell the rest of us how to live and what to think.

    5. Which brings us to war and the death penalty I believe that there are some truly evil motherfuckers on this planet who deserve to die. I do not condone attacking a country that had nothing to do with 911, nor do I condone interventionist foreign policy. If Saddam was so evil, why haven't we attacked Kim Jong il? That crazy sonofabitch has nukes!!! Unless someone physically attacks us here on American soil (ala pearl harbor) we should not go to war. But if we do go to war, we need to kick as much ass as is humanly possible. Kill, Maim, Torture, take the gloves way the fuck off! That is how you wage War. This of course, should only be used as a last resort. I also have no moral or ethical problem with the death penalty. The only reason I don't support the death penalty is that I truly believe the judicial system in its current form is too inept to hand down such an such an irreversible punishment.

    6. Which is why I believe citizenship should be earned. Either through military service, public works service, or foreign service (peacecorp, drs. without borders etc.). Only then should you have the right to vote, sit on a jury, or hold public office. Perhaps if these privileges were earned, they would finally be respected.

    7. Politics is NOT a career. Public service is something you do while on hiatus from your regular vocation. You should get elected, serve a term or two, and get the fuck out. Only by adhering to these strict standards can we hope for altruism in our elected officials. Politics is a dirty business and no matter how clean you were when you started, the longer you stay in the dirtier you get. That collective dirt seeps into the gears and inevitably harms the machine as a whole. In addition to serious term limits, we need at least 3 political parties in this country! Having only two has led to a stagnant and polarized system which caters to lobbyists and does not serve the interests of the majority of Americans (most of whom are somewhere in the middle).

    8. Take responsibility for yourself and your actions! If you break it, buy it. If you spill hot coffee in your lap, don't sue McDonalds. Learn that coffee = hot and move on! Thus Loser Pays [court costs] lawsuits should be the rule, as only those with a righteous beef will bring suit.

    9. Corporations need to be subject to the same rules as individuals and should be required to maintain citizenship in this country in order to do business.

    10. Finally, If you don't like what's on the TV or the radio, it has 2 buttons. One to change the channel, and one to turn it OFF. The FCC should not be allowed to regulate content. The only thing they should do is issue licenses to TV stations to avoid a monopoly of media control. News needs to be about information not infotainment. The time was for a TV station to maintain its license they had to air a certain amount of commercial free community oriented programming.

The formerly anonymous creator of crashtheteaparty.org Jason Levin has been publicly outed just days before thousands of Tax Day Tea Party rallies will be taking place nationwide.


Another Member of the Bobert anti Tea party movement?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 12:34 PM

Kooky deranged people become leaders of countries all the time.
Most often they do it with the already organized base of some kind of religion.

In Hitler's case they made up a religion and legendary myths after they gained power.

The kooky deranged politicians almost always sound ultra patriotic and kind with the best interests for the people and once in power the scourges and arrests begin.

If you are thinking of ruling out Michelle Bachman or her like,
do not count on it.
What religion as a base does not provide a magority, racists and xenophobes will make up for. (along with new stringent voting priviledge laws which will only effect democratic voters.)

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 12:24 PM

Michell's husband Mr. Bachman runs a clinic which cures people of the disease of being gay with clinical prayer.

Whats traitorous about that?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 09 Jul 11 - 12:20 PM

Sorry, I stopped following this thread a while back. It's gone pretty far from its beginnings. But I just figured out one of the things about the Tea Party that scares me. Two of their darlings are Sarah Palin, a well-known liar, and Michelle Bachman, who I believe is an oath-breaker and traitor. The Tea Party attitudes that are indicated by their lauding of these two people may not be terrorism, but it is finding the worst amongst us and calling them great. It is an attempt to overthrow the Constitution of the United States by trying to overturn the separation of church and state, and the concept of equal treatment before the law. They are traitors -- which in a way brings us back to the terrorist label.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 11 - 08:59 AM

So, Sawz, in other words, you lied???

Uh huh...

Now I'll go back to scrolling past your posts since you have all but admitted to being a liar...

Bye-d-bye...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 09 Jul 11 - 12:38 AM

Another Bobert Associate?

The formerly anonymous creator of crashtheteaparty.org Jason Levin has been publicly outed just days before thousands of Tax Day Tea Party rallies will be taking place nationwide.

A quote from Levin's MySpace page:

"As a black lesbian trapped in the body of a straight white man, I am able to pass as a member of the establishment wile still maintaining my oneness with the spirit of the Earf Muvah. I’m currently being sued by my inner child for molestation...but trust me, the charges are baseless."

Levin told the AP Monday, he "had over 65 leaders in major cities across the country trying to recruit members to infiltrate tea party events for April 15."

The mission of crashtheteaparty.org is simple. "Infiltrate and dismantle" the movement from the inside out. The group's strategy is to impersonate tea party supporters and portray them as right-wing extremists in front of the news cameras in order to discredit the cause. The biggest Tax Day Tea Party takes place in Washington DC on April 15th.

Levin went on to say "Every time we have someone on camera saying that Barack Obama isn't an American citizen, we want someone sitting next to him saying, 'That's right, he's an alien from outer space!'" Levin also did not shy away his prior accusations that most tea party supporters are "racists, morons, and homophobes."

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 09 Jul 11 - 12:29 AM

Thought you weren't going to read my Posts? You sly dog.

Oh, I guess you haven't heard of the Sovereign Citizens movement, gn-zer... It's part of the looney right and it advocastes killing anyone who works for the government..

Oh, I guess you haven't heard of the Sovereign Citizens movement, gn-zer... It's part of the looney right and it advocastes killing anyone who works for the government...Actually, the Sovereign Citizen movement also thinks that the reason that the US requires birth certificates is so they can sell people to the Chinese???

Talk about some messed up thinkin'???

I saw a video the other night of a couple of SC nutballs who purposely did something to get pulled over by a cop so they could kill him which, BTW, they did...Taliban ain't got much on our loony right...

Here's your Sovereign Citizen

Alton, IL - An Alton man and woman were cited with violating the city fireworks ordinance for their alleged parts in the July 4 fireworks disturbance at Oakwood Estates housing complex.

The man, Dequan D Searles, 19, of the 3100 block of Lawn Street in the Alton Acres public housing complex, formerly had been charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct on July 20. A judge had set bond of $3,000 for that charge.

Subsequent to that charge, on July 23, the city cited Searles and Lucie M. Pigee, 54, of the 700 block of Oakwood Road in Oakwood Estates, with violating the city fireworks ordinance.

The ordinance violation complaints say Searles possessed and discharged bottle rockets and Roman candles, and that Pigee had purchased and possessed those two types of fireworks. The complaint against Pigee does not say whether she provided fireworks to Searles.

The Madison County Circuit Court was to issue summonses to Searles and Pigee.

Police said three juveniles also are facing charges related to the incident, but their names and other information are not being released because of their status as minors.

The citations and charges follow an investigation by police and Alton Housing Authority officials, which included their spending three to four hours evaluating images on videotapes taken by surveillance cameras of the melee on July 4 and 5.

Authorities claimed people in the crowd of hundreds that had gathered at Oakwood started a large trash receptacle on fire a total of four times on July 4 and 5. Late July 4 and early July 5, some of the people also shot fireworks at responding firefighters and at police who were checking out fireworks reports and attempting to assist firefighters.

Police used pepper-ball guns to quell the crowd. The mob then left behind a mass of fireworks debris and beer bottles, among other trash strewn across the housing complex grounds.

AHA officials said they were in the process of evicting two families for their members' or guests' fireworks-related actions. In addition to the arrests, three residents are being evicted. A third family also allegedly involved in shooting fireworks already is being evicted for other reasons.

After the incident, police began conducting additional patrols of government low income public housing complex.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 10:41 PM

So, Sawz. where did I warn anyone of "right winged Soverign Citizens"???


B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 10:15 PM

More of these right wing extremists Soverign Citizens Bobert warned us about?:

Philadelphia Police are searching for suspects in involved in at least two assaults during a massive flash mob on South Street over the weekend.

Surveillance video shows hundreds of people invading the intersection of 8th and South Streets, filling the street and surrounding a vehicle at about 9 p.m. Saturday. Two blocks away, Olympia Pizza employee Seth Kaufman said he was beaten by a crowd attempting to enter the store. "40 to 50 punches I took. 20 kicks. I just stood my ground as best I could and fought them off," Kaufman said.

Kaufman and restaurant operator Paul Psihogios were trying to keep the unruly crowd from entering the business. "I'm just trying to hold off the crowd, hold the door," said Psihogios. At 15th and South Street, a 27-year-old woman was brutally attacked after being surrounded by scores of people. "She had a broken nose and they knocked out two teeth," said Good Samaritan Rick Almeid, who aided the victim. "She was just an innocent young girl."

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 10:13 PM

...and quits his calling me a bigot or racist because that dog don't hunt... Might of fact, that dog never existed...

As for his websites, I have read that with all the tracking of searches that if one is all eat up with right winged stuff that the computer will shovel more and more of it at you until you can't even get a straight answer out of your own computer...

I like to keep mine guessing so I Google up stuff all over the political spectrum... That way, I do get a decent search...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 10:06 PM

On his own Sawz makes plenty of sense, but when he goes to that "special website" that gets him all hot and bothered, he copies large tracts of the cowshit and pastes it here.

The cowshit really doesn't match the bull shit of Sawz own creation which does make plenty of sense, so we end up getting a noxious chemical reaction.

The reactons generated by the bovines in heat, clouds the issues in a thick heady stench of bigotry on a crisp cracker of racism directed primarily at Obama.

Note that this is not from Sawz himself but from the "special website" for which he has developed a strange addiction.

He will be just fine when he reaches from within once again.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 09:42 PM

BINGO!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 09:41 PM

999...

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 09:41 PM

Oh heck...

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 09:26 PM

Yo, Don... If Sawz ever makes any sense please PM me... But I guess that won't happen... No matter... another couple posts closer to that big 1000...

Thanks,

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 08:09 PM

Gee! I thought those folks were from Biblical times and had long since past into the mists of early history. But judging from a couple of posts just above, apparently not.

Babble-on-ians.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 08:02 PM

Dang. Must be them skin head hate the government extreme right wing radical Sovereign Citizens again. Or not?

ASHEVILLE, N.C. -- Police have arrested nearly a dozen people who are accused in a rampage through the downtown area of Asheville on Saturday.
The spree, according to police, included 30 to 40 people dressed in black, wearing face-coverings and carrying hammers that they used to damage businesses and smash car windows just before 11 p.m. Saturday.
Detectives have issued 112 warrants for Damage to Property. The 11 were also charged with a total of 33 felonies, 3 felonies for each suspect. The three felony charges were felony riot, felony conspiracy to riot and felony damaged property
Bond for each suspect was raised to $50,000. Asheville police raised their estimate of total damage to nearly $20,000.

The Asheville Citizen Times was one of several downtown businesses that had a front window smashed. Along with the windows, an automated teller machine was damaged at a bank. Most of the people arrested were from eastern North Carolina or out of state, police said.

With several in the group reportedly yelling unintelligably as they vandalized, those on the rampage walked south on O'Henry Avenue and turned left on Battery Park Avenue. Some walked through the alley beside the Citizen-Times, where several employees of the paper had rushed to ensure the safety of their cars.

The vandals are believed to have ties to an anarchist website associated with the May Day movement, which has become a
day of solidarity for marking worker solidarity and has been seized upon for anticapitalism displays of violence.
"What's most upsetting is that these young college kids are not from Asheville. Why pick on a small town," said Ruth Summers, executive director of Grove Arcade Market Foundation.

The Eye Center on O'Henry Avenue was the first target in a line of destruction.

A rock shattered the front door made of glass.

"I'd like an apology. I'd like them to pay for the damage," said owner Paul Endry.

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Nov. 24 in the dead of night, we attacked the Department of Corrections (DOC): Division of Community Corrections on McDowell St. in Asheville, NC.

Six DOC vehicles were disabled. Their tires were slashed and their windows destroyed with glass etching fluid. "Burn the Prisons" and a circled A were scrawled across DOC building's veneer.

This building oversees the administration of probation and forced drug texts. It is one institutional position of the DOC. It is linked to the Prison Industrial Complex, and the police apparatus. We did this as an attack against this institution in particular and the police apparatus in general. We did this as an act of revolutionary solidarity with comrade Eric Oseland, comrade David Japenga, and comrade Alfredo Bonanno, who was recently released from Greek Prison.

In a world dominated by these institutions and saturated by police, we did this to show that we will not be neutralized, and that it is absolutely possible and imperative that we fight these motherfuckers.

Love and solidarity with all prisoners and POWs in social war.

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I guaranty that if every law

I guaranty that if every law abiding citizen were to become aggressively non-cooperative that the system would collapse from exhaustion. The social order survives because the American majority hold it together by consent in an orderly cooperative fashion. With 90 % staying in line; going to work, school, consuming, and paying their taxes and obeying all laws EVERYDAY, I'm for certain that even if 100 million people peacefully holding a sign all at the same time saying "end the war" would do absolutely nothing, which just goes to prove my point even further once again.

To say "That mentality sounds just about as fucking stupid and dogmatic as pacifism" is not only disregarding the successful overthrowing of governments through out history but also selling your self short as if the human-race have no hope of pulling them selves out of their situation no matter what course of action they take no matter how hard they try. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE! To say that it is hopeless is just as good as believing life has no purpose or value, so there for what's the use of doing anything but trolling on anarchist websites to pea in everyones soup.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 07:50 PM

Thanks, JtS...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 07:29 PM

After being shreaded in his belligerent kamikaze killer attack on a poor guitar pickin dead guy in his rabid attempt to tie the Teaparty to the KKK the taliban, He now desparately attempts to switch the subject to the war ot the deficit.

"You were the creeps who supported and cheered these wars on"

Really? Obama is a creep?

PHOENIX -- President Barack Obama told military service members Monday that the war in Afghanistan was: not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which Al Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans.

So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people. and that the U.S. would adhere to its timetable to withdraw troops from Iraq by the end of 2011.

"By moving forward in Iraq, we're able to refocus on the war against al Qaeda and its extremist allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan,"

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In September 2004, in the heat of his campaign for the U.S. Senate, Obama said (according to an AP report) that even though Bush had bungled his handling of the war, simply pulling out of Iraq would make things worse. Therefore, he himself would be willing to send more soldiers to Iraq if it is part of a strategy that the President and military leaders believe will stabilize the country and eventually allow America to withdraw.

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As President, I will make the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban the top priority that it should be. This is a war that we have to win. We need a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO to secure the border, to take out terrorist camps, and to crack down on cross-border insurgents.

I will send at least two additional combat brigades to Afghanistan, and use this commitment to seek greater contributions with fewer restrictions from NATO allies.

I have always thought that we did the right thing in Afghanistan.

Oh and Bobert, why haven't you mentioned bombing Libya? Or Somalia? or Yemen? Who is responsible for them?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 06:49 PM

Well Bobz, I'm helpin ya get to the big 1 Kilopost mark!

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 06:20 PM

Thanks, Sawz... Tho I don't read any of your posts anymore this thread is limping toward the 1000 mark... That would be a first for any thread I've started... Katrinagate gave out in the 800s, if I remember correctly...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 01:30 PM

SANTA CRUZ - A large group of protesters demonstrating at a May Day rally for worker's and immigrant rights downtown broke off into a riot vandalizing about a dozen businesses around 10:30 p.m. Saturday, police said.
Many in the group were carrying makeshift torches as they marched, breaking storefront windows and writing "anarchist graffiti" on buildings, according to Capt. Steve Clark. Many businesses sustained multiple broken windows including very large storefront windows at Urban Outfitters and The Rittenhouse building. Police believe at least 15 businesses suffered damage.
The violence was initiated from a group holding a rally at the town clock for May Day. Windows at Jamba Juice and Velvet Underground were left shattered and graffiti including anarchy signs were tagged onto buildings.
Because of the size and violent demeanor of the crowd, Santa Cruz police asked for help from all agencies in the county to break up the riot. At one point, protesters lit a fire on the porch of Caffe Pergolesi and blocked access to firefighters, officers said. Police were able to clear out the demonstrators before more damage was caused.
A large rock sat outside Verizon Wireless on the 100 block of Cooper Street, where vandals tried to break the window twice, according to Clark.
"The damage that was caused was without purpose," Clark said. "It was senseless violence that victimized a community who cannot afford to be victimized in this manner. This did nothing to add credit to whatever they believed their cause was."
One person, 24-year-old Jimi Haynes, a transient from Fresno County, was arrested for felony vandalism for damaging a window. Haynes is also wanted on a parole violation, Clark said. Police are searching for others responsible for the damage. Protesters cleared the downtown area around midnight.
"Our entire team of investigators are processing the scene of violence for evidence," Clark said. "We will be looking at video available to try to
Haynes was observed traveling with this group and breaking windows at the Dell Williams Jewelry store. Haynes broke two large display windows in the front of the store. The witnesses followed him and called police. Haynes was located by arriving Watsonville PD officers who detained Haynes, Clark said.
Haynes is on parole out of Fresno County for burglary. He has been in Santa Cruz for the past several weeks where he has established an arrest history, Clark said. Haynes admitted to participating in the rally after receiving a flyer at a local anarchist café. Haynes was booked into Santa Cruz County Jail.
Once order was restored, police detectives worked throughout the night to collect evidence and document the damage to each of the businesses, Clark said. The police department guarded exposed storefronts, and arranged for private security to watch the businesses until windows could be boarded, and responsible persons contacted.
The police department encourages anyone with information (include any photos or video footage) to make contact and report the information. The police department will be working to identify and prosecute additional individuals involved in the march and subsequent violence.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 06:59 PM

And we inch toward that 1000 mark one inch at a time...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 06:41 PM

Okay, folks. Time for another muzikul interlewd.

Hey, GfS, are you there?

No, GfS, I don't think Puccini would disapprove of or be offended by Jackie Evancho's singing of Nessun Dorma—nor of anyone else for that matter, be it another woman or, say, a baritone who wants to sing it in a recital and transcribes it to a lower key. In my estimation, he would probably think, "that's interesting—but a bit weird," and that would be about it. Except that I'm quite sure he would have thought that vocally, Jackie did it very well.

There are lots of songs out there, written for specific parts in operas, operettas, Broadway musicals and such, for example, "Ol' Man River" from "Showboat" that are written specifically for a bass (I think Paul Robeson was the first to sing it on stage, but I could be wrong;   at least he was well-known for singing it. But it would really be a bit weird to hear the song sung by a woman.

But there are a lot of songs written for a specific part in a musical where, outside the context of the musical, the gender or voice type of the singer doesn't really matter that much, and in which a few words may be changed to accommodate the gender of the singer and the song still works well. Many of these songs that started out as Broadway show tunes have been excerpted from the musical that introduced them and have become part of the standard popular music repertoire, sung by singers of either gender and all voice types. I don't think composer who wrote a song for Frank Sinatra would be at all upset if Peggy Lee wanted to do it as well (changing a word or two to accommodate her gender)—especially if the composer is receiving his regular checks from ASCAP.

But operatic arias, although frequently taken out of the context of the opera and sung in concert and recitals, are rarely sung by different genders or voice types. Mainly because no one wants to. They prefer to sing songs that are more suitable to them.

Why should I, a bass, want to sing an aria written for a mezzo-soprano when the bass operatic repertoire is so full of great stuff to sing?

I'll bet dollars to donuts that the choice of Nessun Dorma for Jackie to sing was made, not by Jackie, but by David Foster, because the aria is well-known from Luciano Pavarotti's having sung it a lot, not because it was suitable for Jackie. She did a nice job of it, but that's not the point.

Beware of people who want to advise you and guide your career, especially if they have dollar-$ign$ in their eyes.

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By the way, a bit of sad news:

Although I'm pretty sure I'd heard him on the Metropolitan Opera broadcasts on Saturday afternoons, I first became acquainted with Giorgio Tozzi when he dubbed the voice for Rossano Brazzi in "Some Enchanted Evening" in the movie version of "South Pacific." A couple of decades later, Seattle Opera included Mussorgsky's "Boris Godunov" in their season. Lavish sets and costumes, and an excellent cast of singers, headed by Giorgio Tozzi singing the role of Boris. I was familiar with the opera (I have a full-length recording of it with Russian bass Nicolai Ghiaurov singing the role of Boris) and Tozzi did an absolutely outstanding job, both singing and acting.

Here he is, singing a scene from "Boris Godunov." It's the scene in which a conscience-stricken Boris hears that Prince Dmitri is leading a march against Moscow. Can't be! Because Boris killed him years ago and took over the throne himself. Because his conscience has been nagging at him, Boris is not too tightly wrapped. When the clock chimes, he begins hallucinating, and sees the blood-soaked body of the young prince Dmitri pointing at him accusingly. The clip runs about 15 minutes. Sung in English (as he did it in the Seattle Opera production) rather than in Russian.    The Clock Scene.   (Video and audio quality not real great.)

GfS, when you mentioned knowing him, I googled a bit to learn more about him, and learned that he has just passed away, on May 30th, 2011, at the age of 88. He was in the hospital battling a case of pneumonia when he had a heart attack.

Obit.

I was really sorry to hear that.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 07:59 PM

They, unfortunately, in spite of their limited understanding how things work, have had upwards of a billion dollars throw at them and the morons are in Congress, brucie...

It's lie cancer... I mean, knowing its bad and wishing you didn't have it doesn't change the fact that you have it...

The voters will figure it out but not before they and thei masters (Koch brothers- air polluter and water poisoners and Dick Armey -health insurance companies) have set America back decades...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 06:10 PM

Marginalize the bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 06:08 PM

So here's the deal folks...

The Tea Party thinks that Obama created the national debt all by himself... Yup, that's gotta be what they are thinking or why else would they refuse to pay for the two wars that George Bush ordered up for pure political reasons and wouldn't pay for??? And now the bills have come in and the Tea Party says, "Not our problem"???

No, TeaParty/Redneck Nation, it is 100% your problem... You were the creeps who supported and cheered these wars on and called the anti-war folks all kinds of names because we didn't think there were any reasonable reasons to for the wars...

But now the bills come in from Bank of China and the Tea Party wants to tell Chine, Who, BTW we sell billion$$$ of US products to, to "fuck off"??? That is not only stupid but it is suicidal for any economic recovery...

Here's what I'd like all Tea Partiers to do... Stop running your stupid mouths long enough to call you creditors and tell them that you have changed your mind about those payment contracts you entered into and that you aren't going to pay them any more money... Teh I want you to take another hour off from running your stupid mouths in a month and call the three major credit reporting agencies and see what your CBI score is... Yeah, do that...

When ya'll have done that please come back here and report how things are going in your life...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 11:32 AM

Another member of Bobert's think tank

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 09:44 AM

Who's this Puccini dude???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 02:47 AM

You mean Adolph is associated with Bobert too? Man this is worse than I thought. He is right there in the center and others are only on the fringe.

How about you? do you believe Condi and Colin are house negros?

At least the NAACP had the decency to disagree.

Here is another person that can be added to the list of Bobert's like minded people:

...Who cut off peoples hands in the Congo Who invented Aids Who put the germs In the Indians' blankets Who thought up "The Trail of Tears"

Who blew up the Maine & started the Spanish American War Who got Sharon back in Power Who backed Batista, Hitler, Bilbo, Chiang kai Chek who WHO W H O/

Who decided Affirmative Action had to go Reconstruction, The New Deal, The New Frontier, The Great Society,

Who do Tom Ass Clarence Work for Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth Who know what kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus Subsidere..

This guy was employed by the State of New Jersey when he wrote this.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 01:28 AM

Hi Don....Ok, maybe it wasn't clear. I was asking you, if you thought Puccini would have..umm..'approved'(for lack of a better word), of a female vocalist singing 'Nessum Dorma'..as in Jackie's performance, both because of her age, range(soprano) and gender.
Next part, but related....
I posted the two, Judy and Dan's version of the same song('Since You've Asked')..BUT in the two versions, they changed just a couple of lyrics, so Dan's version is geared to singing to a woman, and Judi's is to a man....unlike Puccini's which is pretty well set, as to ONE set of lyrics...but with a soprano(Jackie), instead of a tenor, and NO lyric change...and sticking to the original..
Now go back, and re-read the first paragraph. See if that is clearer.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 01:11 AM

Sawzaw, Adolf Hitler probably had the idea that the sky was blue and the sun rose in the east.

You probably agree that the sky is blue and the sun rises in the east. (You DO, don't you!??)

I guess that makes you a fellow mass murderer.

That's the kind of "logic" you just used in your above post.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 11:55 PM

At least Ayman al-Zawahiri agrees with Bobert about Condi and Colin being house negros.

Bobert knows how to pick his fellow hatemongers and racists.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 11:15 PM

Obama a Muslim, Don???

Danged!!!

Cool!!!

We could use a Muslim president since it seems that the fringe bigots and racists in America are on one of their "We hate everyone else" binges... Maybe loosen them up a tad...

lol...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 10:43 PM

Which kind of poops on the face of those who claim that Obama is secretly a Muslim, doesn't it!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 09:14 PM

Obama a 'house negro', says Al-Qaeda

Sydney Morning Herald
WASHINGTON: Al-Qaeda's first message to Barack Obama after his election win shows a "panicked response" to his popularity, counter-terrorism experts said.

In a propaganda salvo on Wednesday, Osama bin Laden's senior deputy condemned Mr Obama as a "house Negro" doing the bidding of white masters.

Ayman al-Zawahiri called him "the direct opposite of honourable black Americans" such as Malcolm X. "It is true about you and people like you what Malcolm X said about the house Negros," he said in a video released on Wednesday, naming Colin Powell, the former US secretary of state, and, Condoleezza Rice, the incumbent, as others who fitted the description.

He said the "new face" of America only masked a "heart full of hate" and warned Mr Obama that the US could face the same failures as the Soviet Union in Afghanistan if he makes true on his pledges to deploy thousands more troops there.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 07:43 PM

Funny thing... When people are asked straight up about various policies they tend to be purdy liberal...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 06:09 PM

The nation is becoming more partisan...

Damn, PeeDee! Thats absolutely ASTOUNDING! Who would ever have believed it.

[ I wonder how many if these self-defined "conservatives" can actually define the term. Did the poll include that? ]

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 05:38 PM

Oh, another pol... Ho hum???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 04:08 PM

January 7, 2010 1:13 PM

Conservatives Outnumber Moderates, Liberals, Poll Shows

By
    Stephanie Condon
Topics
    Polling

(CBS/AP)
The nation is becoming more partisan, Gallup poll trends from the past decade show, with self-identified conservatives outnumbering both moderates and liberals for the first time since 2004.

Still, fewer than 41 percent of Americans identify as Republican or Republican-leaning -- eight points below the declining percentage of Americans who identify as Democrats or Democratic-leaning.

An aggregate of 21 Gallup and USA Today/ Gallup polls from 2009 show that 40 percent of Americans call themselves conservative, while 36 percent identify as moderate and 21 percent identify as liberal. In 2008, by contrast, moderates matched conservatives at 37 percent while 22 percent called themselves liberal.

The percentage of Americans identifying as either conservative or liberal has crept up over the past decade, Gallup concludes, while the percentage of moderates has declined.

Though the percentage of conservatives jumped three points in 2009, the percentage of Americans who identify with the Republican party remained statistically the same in 2009 -- at 40.7 percent -- as in the previous year. The percentage of self-identified Republicans has declined in Gallup polls since 2004.

More Americans -- 49 percent -- said they were Democrats or Democratic-leaning. However, 2009 was the first time since 2005 that fewer than half of Americans called themselves Democrats. Additionally, the percentage of Democrats steadily declined over the course of 2009.

As many as 36.6 percent of Americans in 2009 said they were independents. The only other year this decade with that many self-identified independents was 2007, when 38.6 percent of Americans called themselves independent.

       *Stephanie Condon is a political reporter for CBSNews.com.