BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 06:40 PM

I don't know what it HAS to be called; "Preamble" is what it IS called.

In like manner you will never find the words "Bill of Rights" in the Constitution. It would be pretty foolish, however, to on that basis argue there is no Bill of Rights in the US Constitution. Could be called the Bunch of Rights. Could be called the String of Rights. But it's called the Bill of Rights, and whenever people talk about it, that's what they call it.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 06:37 PM

I don't know, mousthief, but does it have to be called a preamble, as opposed to, for instance, a preface or a prologue?

But I agree, there certainly are a lot of people who like to wave around the Constitution who don't even know what's in it. Like John Boehner, for instance. Maddow at least knows what's in it. She appears to just be quibbling with what to call the opening paragraph.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 06:27 PM

Please inform Everyone's favorite red-head, the Chile Rojo of the New York Times:

"One singular leader who wrote elegantly about his ideals, was swept into the presidency and then collided with harsh reality had some advice for another.

In an interview with Alison Smale in The Times last week, Vaclav Havel sipped Champagne in the middle of the afternoon and pricked Barack Obama's conscience.

Havel, the 73-year-old former Czech president, who didn't win a Nobel Peace Prize despite leading the Czechs and the Slovaks from communism to democracy, turned the tables and asked Smale a question about Obama, the latest winner of the peace prize.

Was it true that the president had refused to meet the Dalai Lama on his visit to Washington?

He was told that Obama had indeed tried to curry favor with China by declining to see the Dalai Lama until after the president's visit to China next month.

Dissing the Dalai was part of a broader new Obama policy called "strategic reassurance" â€" softening criticism of China's human rights record and financial policies to calm its fears that America is trying to contain it. (Not to mention our own fears that the Chinese will quit bankrolling our debt.)

The tyro American president got the Nobel for the mere anticipation that he would provide bold moral leadership for the world at the very moment he was caving to Chinese dictators. Awkward.

Havel reached out to touch a glass dish given to him by Obama, inscribed with the preamble to the U.S. Constitution. "It is only a minor compromise," he said. "But exactly with these minor compromises start the big and dangerous ones, the real problems."

Our president would be well advised to listen. Havel is looking at this not only as a moral champion but as a playwright. Obama (who, as Robert Draper wrote, has read and reread Shakespeare's tragedies) does not want his fatal flaw to be that he compromises so much that his ideals get blurred out of recognition."

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:39 PM

Does it have to say "Preamble" in the document to be called "Preamble"? That's a pretty silly argument. If somebody says "Like it says in the Preamble to the Constitution...." you haven't won any talking points at all if you point out that the word "Preamble" isn't in the actual document. That's just what it's called.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:34 PM

It does not say "Preamble" in the opriginal document. It has been labeled a preamble later but it is not part of the original. In any case the stupidity of the Minority Leader was in reciting a line from the Declaration and asserting it was from the Consittution.

Rachel also misspoke, as neither of them (in the original) have a Preamble named as such. But at least she was referring to the right document.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:31 PM

Where in the original document does it say "preamble"?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 05:27 PM

http://www.whitehouse.gov/our-government/the-constitution

Preamble to the Constitution


http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm

The Preamble explains the purposes of the Constitution, and defines the powers of the new government as originating from the people of the United States.

Preamble:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

http://www.america.gov/publications/books/the-constitution.html

This illustrated publication includes the complete text of the U.S. Constitution preamble, seven articles, and 27 amendments

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 04:51 PM

Isn't the "We the People" part generally called the Preamble in everyday parlance?

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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 04:22 PM

Sawz:

The Constitution of the United States has no section called a Preamble; and despite the assertions of Minority Leader John Baynor, it says nothing about "We hold these truths to be self-evident.". This assertion, as Rachel correctly points out, comes from the Declaration of Independence, which does not have a Preamble either.

The COnstitution does have an introducto ry sentence but in the original document it was not called a Preamble. And it certainly does not contain the notion attributed to it by the minority Speaker.

Furthermore, Ms. Maddow's command of the CONTENTS--the important part, remember?-- seems far more developed than John Baynor's.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 04:09 PM

Are demonstrators holding a kill sign a terrorist organization?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 02:14 PM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

Ya might want to ask Rachel if she knows anything about what in the US Consitution.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 10 - 07:48 AM

Well, looks as if I'm out front of MSNBC 'cause Rachele Maddow devoted much of her show last night to my point that the right is gettin' way with pushing violence...

So back to the Tea Baggers as a terrorist organization.... If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 09:42 PM

Science Friday on NPR had some interesting discussions today, esp. the first one which was on Communicating Science in a Post-Newspaper Era. You may listen to it, or read the transcript (scroll way down)HERE

One of them was talking about the types of emails he gets now there is the Internet with so much misinformation, etc.:

Prof. SCHNEIDER: If my hundreds of emails..... are any indication, the typical line - and you would not believe the vulgarity and even violence threats. It's amazing. Only in the last two years since the Tea Party-types decided that their, you know, their imagined version of the destruction of America allows them this kind of radical, you know, ugly behavior.

What they generally say is, you communistic dupe of the United Nations who wants world government to take away our religious and our economic freedoms. They live in a mythology. They get it reinforced by people who take out-of-context quotes to convince them, and then they sit there and it's very - I'm sorry to say this - red-state, blue-state specific.

And, you know, if you want to take the world and oversimplify it, you have people in two kind of value systems - faith, trust. Don't give me evidence if it's going to knock me off the pin. And doubt test, which is our value system. You change any opinion when you have new evidence.

Some of it reminded me of this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 09:24 PM

"Here's the truth: SOME Obama supporters are nuts. SOME Tea-Baggers are nuts. SOME liberals are nuts and SOME conservatives are nuts. Of all these nuts, SOME are slightly nuts, some a bit more, some more nuts than that, and SOME are seriously nuts.

And of all the nuts in all these categories, SOME of those nuts are a public danger. And, possibly, SOME of those are "terrorist" oriented in the sense of using violence for political purposes.

You guys gotta learn discrimination between similarities and the recognition of differences."

At last a rational statement from Amos. Good on you Amos.

Each person, each statement, each action must be judged on it's face, not by which "group" that person belongs to, EG us or them, Bloods or Crips, Dems or Repubs or skin color.

If somebody flies a plane into a building it is not automatically terrorism and a teababger is not automatically a terrorist.

Remember when that kid that flew a plane into a building in Florida? They said it was his meds.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:54 PM

I donno about that, Rigs... One thing that the right has going for it is that everyone knows (or assumes) that they pack a lotta heat... The governement knows it... The cops know it and liberals know it...

Now, if all of a sudden liberals started a liberal NRA and armed themselves as well as the righties then I don't think the "redneck superiority complex" (RSC) would hold up too long... I mean, here in Virginia we have a whole lotta punks who couldn't win a fist fight against their little sisters but when they strap on that sidearm they become Rambo... And they talk big and they get this aire about them that whatever they say, regardless of how moronic, is correct...

Guns are like the opiate of the stupid...

That's why I think that if these Rambo-wantabees knew that folks on the other side of the debate were also armed then maybe they would think twice about shootin' off their mouths...

See, folks... Ol' hippie has been watchin' too many Tea Bagger stories on the news and ready to invest in an AK... LOL... But really, that is the point... The meassage has been sent that violence is peachy dandy so the logical thinkin' is that the left better get armed.... And fast!!!

I mean, is that the message, or not??? Sure seems like it to me... So here we are with this Talibanish segment of the population, armed to the teeth, getting away with it while the governemnt turns its head and running their motuhs about stuff that is based on lies and more lies... Sounds like the Taliban to me, Ralph...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 07:14 PM

Like the other liberals who were in charge of security at the convention in Minneapolis? Feh.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 05:53 PM

The only people who don't want liberals to have guns is other liberals.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 05:49 PM

Ya'll are missin' the point here...

Ther point is that our governement has two standards... One for righties that says it's pkay to carry a weapon to a ralley where the president is to speak... The other which says it's not okay for liberals to have guns... That lesson was painfully delivered in the 60s and liberals got it... If you have a gun then the governement is gonna get you... That, my friends, is dual standards...

The second point is that there are more and more incidents of folks suggesting on the right suggesting violence... We on the left saw how that iy worked for them in the 60's.... It virtually *killed* the movement...

Lastly, regarless of whether one is a rightie of leftie radical the message that the Tea Partiers are sending is that violence is just peachy as far as they are concerned and without the governement sayin' they are wrong then the message is doubly sent...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 05:41 PM

As long as the absolutely asinine title of this thread, and its basic assumptions, are allowed to stand, "anything goes" as far as posting since nobody can match such stupidity.

You're givin' it a pretty good run, ain'tcha, sweetums? Also the way you weave your words in with your original stories (if any) to make it entirely indisernible (aside from your nasty tone) which is which -- you're not going to convince anybody that way.

Leading to the conclusion: (1) either you know you're not going to convince anybody and you're doing it to be a gadfly, hence you're a jerk, or (2) you think it really will convince somebody, hence you're a moron.

Which is it then?

O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 04:56 PM

Only asking if you can condemn an entire group by the actions of one person or even a few people from that group.

Yes. IF that one person, or those few people, are acting on the stated beliefs and principles of that group.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 03:29 PM

Only asking if you can condemn an entire group by the actions of one person or even a few people from that group.


You can assert any dumb-ass idea you want, including condemning the innocent, but if you mean "rationally" then the answer is no.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:52 PM

I guess I can't argue with that.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:51 PM

As long as the absolutely asinine title of this thread, and its basic assumptions, are allowed to stand, "anything goes" as far as posting since nobody can match such stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:38 PM

Oops. I guess I was wrong. Not intelligent enough to see the difference, after all.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:23 PM

Wow! It looks like we have an epidemic of murderers supporting Obama:

Foxy Knoxy backs Barack Obama... but says she's sorry to miss the elections as she's denied house arrest

By Nick Pisa
Last updated at 9:48 PM on 30th October 2008

Murder suspect Amanda Knox has revealed she is backing Barack Obama in next week's presidential election.

Knox, 21, who styled herself Foxy Knoxy, revealed her political allegiances after being visited by Italian MP Enrico Gasbarra.

She told him: 'I wanted to go home so that I could vote for Obama. I think I hoped too much. I really thought I would be getting out of here.'

Knox has been denied house arrest as she awaits trial over the murder of British student Meredith Kercher...

{shortened by me to prevent nausia among readers}

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:22 PM

pdq, if we're going to explore all crimes committed by any person who endorses any political figure, we're going to have to devote 24 hours per day 7 days a week to such an endeavor. Just as many people who support Republicans commit crimes as people who support Democrats.

As I said before there's a huge difference between being a supporter of a political figure or party and committing a crime, and committing a crime in order to promote a particular political agenda. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to be able to understand the difference.

So people who bomb abortion clinics belong in such a discussion, and people who fly planes into buildings because they're pissed off with the IRS belong in such a discussion, but someone who kills people at a university because they're angry about not getting tenure, or someone who falsely accuses people of rape, and who also endorse a particular political figure or party do not belong in such a discussion. As I said, I'm sure you are intelligent enough to be able to understand the difference between these two things.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:22 PM

Notice that I did not pose my question with any hate or rhetoric?

No conflation. No veiled accusations.

Only asking if there could be some sort of connection.

Only asking if you can condemn an entire group by the actions of one person or even a few people from that group.

I have nothing against guitar players. I admire guitar players from Atkins to ZZ.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:14 PM

Oh could there be more. Phil Spector endorses Obama at his murdertrial hearing:

Phil Spector endorses Obama at his murder trial hearing
July 29, 2008 | 2:49 pm

Gee, thanks, Phil.

They keep coming, these dubious endorsements. But, hey, any publicity in a political campaign -- except crooked friends, indictments, spousal abuse, etc.

Today The Times' eagle-eyed Harriet Ryan spotted Phil Spector, the famous rock entrepreneur and infamous date, showing up for a court hearing in Los Angeles wearing a very obvious "Barack Obama Rocks" pin.

Spector, you may recall, has some continuing legal troubles having to do with an actress, Lana Clarkson, turning up dead in his house after a date five years ago.

Spector says she shot herself. The prosecution suggests otherwise. A jury could not decide.

So a second second-degree murder trial is set to begin on Sept. 29, pending a higher court ruling on the presiding judge. Meanwhile, Spector and every one of those "hairs" on his head is behind Barack.

Last week in Mississippi, as The Ticket noted, 34-year-old Dale Lee Bishop, who was a participant in the 1998 claw-hammer homicide of an acquaintance, endorsed Obama just before he was executed. Bishop was under the impression that Obama opposes the death penalty, which he does much of the time but not always.

And in April actress Jane Fonda, who has now infuriated two generations of military veterans by her manning of an anti-aircraft gun battery against U.S. planes over Hanoi during the Vietnam War, volunteered to a TMZ cameraman that she too was going to vote for Obama.

Of course, Obama also got the backing of notorious good guy Tom Hanks, among other Hollywood types. So that really helps.

-- Andrew Malcolm

Photo credit: Nick Ut / Associated Press

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:11 PM

There is a difference between people committing murder, who happen to support any given party or political figure (and plenty of examples of such people can be found at all points on the political spectrum), and people who are committing murder in order to make a political statement or to try to create a particular political outcome. It's fair game to include Stack in such a discussion, but people who commit crimes that are unrelated to any political considerations are irrelevant to any such discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:08 PM

Bobez and Sawz are both off track here, trying to make generalizations out of specifics where they do not apply.

Here's the truth: SOME Obama supporters are nuts. SOME Tea-Baggers are nuts. SOME liberals are nuts and SOME conservatives are nuts. Of all these nuts, SOME are slightly nuts, some a bit more, some more nuts than that, and SOME are seriously nuts.

And of all the nuts in all these categories, SOME of those nuts are a public danger. And, possibly, SOME of those are "terrorist" oriented in the sense of using violence for political purposes.

You guys gotta learn discrimination between similarities and the recognition of differences.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:47 PM

...and yet another Socialist and rabid Obama supporter:

Amy Bishop: Obama Supporter, Media Nearly Silent
By Tara Lynn Thompson

You won't find the information in a headline because she isn't a conservative. Amy Bishop, the University of Alabama shooter, is a major Obama lover. I'd call her a "supporter" but that validates what is basically an infatuation between The One and his mindless supporters, as well as The One and himself.

The news was reported by the Boston Herald in the third to last paragraph in the story.

A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children – the youngest a third-grade boy – was a far-left political extremist who was "obsessed" with President Obama to the point of being off-putting.

What I find more fascinating than her politics is the way the media has been completely silent, minus the one paragraph mention at the end of the article, about Bishop and her "off-putting" Obama love.

Should her views matter? Probably not. Once you have killed innocent people, I don't care about your reasoning or your musings or your political beliefs. I know all I need to know about you – that, when given the choice, you choose evil. You hate. And that transcends all rational thought.

However, setting that aside, it's hard to deny the media's love of blaming conservatives, talk radio, and Christians for any act of violence, discrimination, or hatred within the English speaking world. And if at some point they can prove Bishop ever willingly watched Fox News, they'll be boycotting Beck again.

This road, however, isn't a two-way street. Reporting truth is only the bias media's priority when it fits their narrative. And forget reporting. Bending truth is so much easier. Okay, forget bending. Let's call it "rewriting".

For example, James von Brunn, the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum shooter, an old guy with an ugly mug.

The liberal media attached him to conservatives and Christians all on the basis that the man was a white supremacist. (Which, by saying that, means they're also saying only whites can be Christian. Anyone pick up on that?) Not taking into account the fact Christians and conservatives absolutely deplore white supremacists. The very core of conservative values is equality for all, whether black or white or male or female or gay or straight or free thinker or drone.

The only way to obtain that equality is by individualism and not pandering to minorities or special interest groups. What the liberals call "fair" treatment, is really treating one person better than another based on their race or gender or political views. Please explain how that isn't the definition of "racism" and "bigotry".

Conservatives believe in giving each American the same opportunities to fail or succeed based on their individual work ethic, passion, ability, integrity and applauding that success.

Also, on the white supremacist narrative, let's not forget the liberals have reelected Democrat Robert Byrd to office, despite his previous membership in the Ku Klux Klan, since 1959.

During the von Brunn incident, the liberal media didn't want to report the fact the man was a hater, period. He hated everyone, including Christians, both Bush presidents, big corporations, and had even apparently planned a second shooting at the conservative Weekly Standard offices. He was also a socialist, loved Adolph Hitler, and was anti-Semitic.

Another favorite liberal tool is Scott Roeder, the man who shot and killed late-term abortionist Dr. George Tiller last May. He is also touted as a pro-lifer gone mad. Except the man had no connections to the pro-life movement. He wasn't pro-life, obvious by the fact he killed a man.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,infowars.com
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:42 PM

Do you people know how out of touch you are? Obama's bombing people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Yemen, and meanwhile you bloviate on some small-plane crash in Texas being part of a vast right-wing conspiracy. Amazing. Listen to the rebroadcast of the Alex Jones show today at infowars.com. Jim Trafficant is talking about the real world.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:36 PM

...another darling of the Obama set is arrested for attempted murder and arson:

Duke lacrosse accuser charged with attempted murder, arson
Posted: Feb. 18, 2010
Updated: Feb. 18 6:31 p.m.

Durham, N.C. — Durham police late Wednesday arrested the woman who four years ago falsely accused three Duke University lacrosse players of raping her.

Crystal Mangum assaulted her boyfriend, set his clothes on fire in a bathtub and threatened to stab him, investigators said.

She was in the Durham County jail under a $1 million bond Mangum, 33, has been appointed a public defender and is scheduled to appear in court on Feb. 22.

Police charged her with attempted first-degree murder, five counts of arson, assault and battery, communicating threats, three counts of misdemeanor child abuse, injury to personal property, identity theft and resisting a public officer.

Shortly after 11:30 p.m., police received a 911 call about a domestic dispute at 2220 Lincoln St. Authorities said they believe the call came from one of the three children inside the house.

When officers arrived, they found Mangum and her boyfriend, Milton Walker, 33, fighting. According to police documents, Mangum scratched, punched and threw objects at Walker and told him, "I'm going to stab you, (expletive)!"

She then went into a bathroom and set his clothes on fire in the bathtub, police said. Officers called the fire department to put out the flames. No one was injured.

Milton was not charged, police said. The three children inside the house, ages 3, 9 and 10, were not injured.

Officers said Mangum gave them a fake name, "Marella Mangum," and age, prompting the identity theft charge. She also resisted the officers who responded to the scene, according to police documents. She has been ordered to have no contact with Walker.

Mangum – who penned her memoir, "Last Dance for Grace," in 2008 – was a student at North Carolina Central University in 2006 and also worked as an exotic dancer when she performed at the now-infamous Duke lacrosse party.

It was there, she claimed, that three white members of the team trapped her inside a bathroom and raped and sexually assaulted her.

The three players were indicted on rape and other charges on the basis of her allegations and were eventually exonerated after North Carolina's attorney general dismissed the charges.

The case ultimately cost former Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong his job and he was later disbarred. He also spent a night in jail for lying to a Superior Court judge.

Several players in the Duke lacrosse case, including Duke Unviersity and the North Carolina Attorney General's Office, declined to comment on the case.

Nifong could not be reached for comment.

"My heart goes out to her," Joseph Cheshire, who represented one of the accused lacrosse players. "Mostly, I worry about her children."

Authorities say the children are in the care of other family members.

"We hope that the courts will adjudicate this case with fairness and without bias," Vincent Clark, Mangum's publisher, said in a statement. "Nevertheless, we support Crystal in her effort to heal from abuse and past injustices,"

   Reporters: Stacy Davis, Erin Hartness
   Photographer: Jamie Munden
   Web Editors: Kelly Hinchcliffe, Kelly Gardner
   Copyright 2010 by Capitol Broadcasting Company. All rights reserved. This material may    not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:04 PM

Bruce,

How does being a Teaparty member matter if one commits murder, one might as well ask.

From my earlier posting:

And in Indiana, Richard Behney, a Republican Senate candidate, told Tea Party supporters what he would do if the 2010 elections did not produce results to his liking: "I'm cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I'm serious about that, and I bet you are, too."

Branding Mr. Obama a tyrant, Mr. Stewart said, constructs a logic that could be used to rationalize violence. "When people start wearing guns to rallies, what's the next thing that happens?" Mr. Stewart asked.

Obama supporters do not call for violence, ergo...nothing to do with being a murderer.

Tea Party...load your guns and get ready to go to war within your own country. There are plenty more quotes in the NYTs article.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:00 PM

Looks to me like he jumped to a conclusion. It may be an honest mistake, though, given the rhetoric of a lot of tea party members.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:56 PM

Perhaps you could ask Bobert why these two separate issues were 'conflated'?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:48 PM

Personally, I think the question of whether or not the tea party is a terrorist organization deserves discussion on its own, separate from any discussion about this guy who flew his airplane into a building. And I think this Stack guy and what he did deserves discussion separate from any discussion about the tea party. It's unfortunate that the two issues have been conflated here in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:36 PM

"Joseph Andrew Stack mocks the American health care system as a profit-driven joke; attacks George W. Bush 'and his cronies'; called the Catholic church names; demonstrates his complete hatred for a Reagan tax cut; decries the loss of union-negotiated pensions; and ends the whole screed with a mocking of capitalism:

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

The first 'creed' is an actual quote from Karl Marx, unparodied by Stack. The second is obviously a mocking of the capitalistic system. He decided to close his letter attacking the private sector with a quote mocking the free market.

Yeah, that sounds like your typical Tea Party attendant. You know how they love quoting Marx, decrying corporate profits, calling for profits to be removed from the health care industry, and attacking President Bush. Why, you can't hurl a cat without hitting a protester with a sign approvingly quoting the father of Communism.

Did he attack the IRS? Sure. But is anyone under the terribly mistaken impression that only right-wingers despise the Internal Revenue Service? One of Stack's biggest criticisms is that the rich aren't taxed enough and that religious groups are exempted. He went after Reagan tax cuts. Does that sound like criticism of the agency from a right-wing perspective? Hardly." ~ Stephan Tawney on Thu, Feb 18, 2010

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:43 AM

Are moonshiners and dope smokers a terrorist organization?

Teachey, NC - A Duplin County day care center is shut down after authorities say they found the owners selling beer & liquor without an ABC permit. Also found in the raid was a sawed-off shotgun and two gallons of moonshine.

The raid happened Saturday night at Wilson Family Day Care in Teachey.

Alcohol Law Enforcement agents and sheriff deputies say they discovered liquor, beer, moonshine, and numerous weapons at the home.

"It definitely shouldn't be around a day care facility and the majority through my course of experience in law enforcement, most of the people that frequent what we refer as joints, which are illegal alcohol establishments, possess and use narcotics and firearms," says ALE agent Kenny Simma.

Johnnie Wilson is charged with possession/sell of non tax paid alcoholic beverages, possession/sell of alcoholic beverages with no permit, possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia, and felony possession of a weapon of mass destruction (sawed-off shotgun).

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:13 AM

LOL!! Sawz, I hope to hell you were laughing when you posted that!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:08 AM

Are guitar players a terrorist group?

The pilot, Joseph Andrew Stack, who played guitar and loved country music, left a detailed suicide note, more than 3,000 words long, on a web site registered to him. In it, he describes financial stresses and a tax feud with the IRS which wiped out his retirement savings.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:04 AM

Actually, La Raza is the real terrorist organization.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:40 AM

Sawz:

Help with homework: the post you were uncertain of simply says that there are a good number of actions taken by Bush, Wolfowitz, Rove, Rumstead, and their cronies that fit your definition of terrorist acts, and which left a lot of Americans embedded in unreasoning fear.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:32 AM

kat,

I was comm4enting on Bobert making these threads implying that tea party members are terrorist or racist.

How does being a Teaparty member matter if one commits murder, one might as well ask.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:21 AM

I'm just glad they weren't in the house when he torched it.

How does being an Obama supporter matter if one commits murder? (That's rhetorical. The idea is ridiculous.)

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:32 AM

His wife and daughter stayed in a hotel the night before because they said he'd completely lost it that evening.

Woulda been nice thay'd called the cops & had him admitted to a psych ward for obbo as a danger to himself & others...........

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:17 AM

So, since the Democrats have a party platform of pro-abortion, and SOME people are thus encouraged to have ( abortions), there will be no complaint if I start a thread about "The Baby-killing Democratic Party"?

I doubt if that would be allowed here- and isn't THAT a double standard?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:10 AM

Yeah, seems that this guy could have but only so much beef with the system.... That ain't no cheap airplane.... Cherokees are expensive...

The point, however, isn't whether this guy was or was not a Tea Party member... The point is that we have carved out a seperate set of rules for angry right wingers... The signs that they carry are way beyond what the left carried during the anti-war demonstrations of 2002-03 in that they are not only racist but suggest violence... And these folks have been allowed to carry weapons to a rally where the presdient was to speak... There's a dual standard here that creates this culture that the ends justify the means... It's this kind of culture that tells a murderer that's it perfectly okay to assasinate doctors...

The left never came close to having these standards... During the anti-war marches there were tens of thousnads of riot police with clubs abd sheilds and guns lining the entire route of the march... You don't see that at Tea Party rallies...

So, yeah... The system has put in place a scenerio where people feek empowered to think that violence is perfectly okay...

(Gee, Boberdz... Ain't that alot like al qeada???)

Well, yeah, it is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 07:23 AM

Bobert,

"You have any indication it was a teaparty member, or are you just being a bigot again?"


The murderer was an Obama Supporter, so the next thread should be Obama supporters are terrorists! "


If you can't answer the question in the affirmative ( that you have said indication) YOU are a bigot.

Feel free to answer the question . Do not feel free to attack me for asking it: This is the second thread you have started that makes invalid associations in this bigotted manner.






"The murderer was an Obama Supporter, so the next thread should be Obama supporters are terrorists! "

This is in reference to the woman who shot and killed several people after being denied tenure. I have posted the article stating that she was an Obama supporter- which is far more than support than you have bothered in your thread posting.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 04:06 AM

I wouldn't send you to the outhouse, Amos, because you would probably enjoy it.


I feel bad for his wife and daughter. Sounds to me like this guy had a mental breakdown. His wife and daughter stayed in a hotel the night before because they said he'd completely lost it that evening.