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BS: Christian Persecution

Greg F. 06 Apr 15 - 09:30 AM
Musket 06 Apr 15 - 09:19 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 15 - 08:20 AM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Apr 15 - 07:46 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 15 - 07:24 AM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Apr 15 - 07:06 AM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Apr 15 - 06:59 AM
BrendanB 06 Apr 15 - 06:42 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 15 - 06:35 AM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Apr 15 - 05:46 AM
Keith A of Hertford 06 Apr 15 - 05:36 AM
Musket 06 Apr 15 - 03:42 AM
Jim Carroll 06 Apr 15 - 03:27 AM
Greg F. 05 Apr 15 - 05:16 PM
Jim Carroll 05 Apr 15 - 03:56 PM
Musket 05 Apr 15 - 03:39 PM
Jim Carroll 05 Apr 15 - 03:21 PM
Musket 05 Apr 15 - 03:12 PM
Keith A of Hertford 05 Apr 15 - 02:29 PM
Jim Carroll 05 Apr 15 - 02:09 PM
Keith A of Hertford 05 Apr 15 - 01:47 PM
Greg F. 05 Apr 15 - 01:41 PM
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Keith A of Hertford 05 Apr 15 - 09:22 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 09:30 AM

A brief review for the benefit of Brendan et. al.:

sar·casm
/sär,kazəm/

noun: sarcasm; plural noun: sarcasms

The use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
    "his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment"
    synonyms: derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing;

i·ro·ny
/īrənē/

noun: irony

The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
    ""Don't go overboard with the gratitude," he rejoined with heavy irony"
    synonyms: sarcasm, causticity, cynicism, mockery, satire, sardonicism

sar·don·ic
sär/dänik/

adjective: sardonic

    grimly mocking or cynical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 09:19 AM

People are being slaughtered. The religion of those slaughtering is the key, not the assumed religion or none of the victims. Church leaders obscenely jump on the stories to make people feel guilty about pushing religious nonsense to the fringes of society.

I hope Welby is good at praying. Calling victims martyrs is beyond contempt and gives comfort to the criminals doing the killing.

Sick puppies. (By the way, it seems a number of vicars and others in the church agree with me according to some reports.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 08:20 AM

There we have it - Northern Ireland, Nigeria, former Yugoslavia, atrocities carried out at the behest of the Christian Church - no atrocities
What I said unless it's Muslims doing it it ain't an atrocity.
"The slaughtering is done by Boko Haram and it is Christians they single out"
News reports today describe Christians murdering Muslims who fled Bokum Harem - deny it or condemn it.
You are a hypocrite and your hypocrisy makes you and every other hypocrite part of the problem.
Until religious bodies are forcibly forbidden to play any role other than spiritual (and that under the strictest supervision) these conflicts will continue and people will continue to die and kill in the name of their particular deity.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 07:46 AM

Christians are just as likely to carry out atrocities as are members of any other religion - see Nigeria

In theory of course, but it is not what we see.
Christians are being massacred all over the Middle East and many parts of Africa.

Where are there Muslims massacred by Christians Jim?


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 07:24 AM

"Jim, please state plainly questions you want me to answer."
Oh, fr crying out loud!!
These problems are ones of religion as a whole, not one particular religion
Advocating for one while refusing to acknowledge the other is taking sides - which is exactly what you are doing
Christians are just as likely to carry out atrocities as are members of any other religion - see Nigeria
Yes or no?
Jim Carroll.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 07:06 AM

Guardian this year,
(Boko Haram) killed more than 10,000 people last year alone, according to the Washington-based Council on Foreign Relations. More than a million people are displaced inside Nigeria and hundreds of thousands have fled across its borders into Chad and Cameroon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 06:59 AM

Jim, please state plainly questions you want me to answer.
let's here it for the Nigerian Muslims being slaughtered by Christians
What Muslims slaughtered by Christians?
The slaughtering is done by Boko Haram and it is Christians they single out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 06:42 AM

Greg F states that persecution of Christians is overdue. That is a vile statement. Any decent human being would condemn persecution, regardless of victims or perpetrators.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 06:35 AM

"So Jim, of course persecution is bad whoever the victim."
I asked specific questions - you refuse o respond
One more time
By "we" I assume you don't mean Christians - not interested what the British Government does - she only obeys her masters voice.
Th massacres in former Yugoslavia were carried out by Christians slaughtering Muslims - doesn't come any more complicated than that.
Lets see if we can't clear a few things up.
All sectarian persecution is evil no matter who does what to whom
A bunch of religious fanatics who go around slaughtering people is no more or less evil than a bunch of clergymen who rape children or inciting murderous sectarian hatred.   
How am I doing so far?
Any church who condones or actively supports such behaviour is inherently evil and unfit to hold public office,
Any problems with that?.
All the major religions have been guilty of such behaviour to one extent or another in the relatively recent past.
There - yes or no, simple as that?
Please respond to all points - are not Christians and guilty as Muslim extremists in carrying ou sectarian atrocities, especially as Nigerian Christians are now killing Muslims who fled Boko Harem attacks
They are, in fact, as bad as one another.
Let's see if you are in agreement with that one.
"Why does it make you angry?"
The only thing that makes me angry is your hypocrisy - all sectarian extremism is unacceptable - why only condemn only one side? - let's here it for the Nigerian Muslims being slaughtered by Christians
Nobody challenged Britain's role in Bosnia - they responded as a member of the U.N. as did many other countries - certainly not on humanitarian grounds, as you suggested.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 05:46 AM

So Jim, of course persecution is bad whoever the victim.

The persecution of Christians and the massacres are being largely ignored.
No international forces are being deployed to save them, as happened for the Muslims in Bosnia and CAR.
The Pope called it silent complicity.

That is why I raised it again here.
Why does it make you angry?

Greg, I did answer your question.
You did not say that it had to comply with your prejudices.
So, were you being serious when you said the massacres are "long overdue, too, Keith ?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 05:36 AM

Britain's contribution to protecting Muslim people in Bosnia.

Peacekeeping efforts in Bosnia, between 1992 and 1995. In 1994, there were 2,450 British soldiers serving with the UN Protection Force, a contribution second only to that of the French.
4. Stabilisation in Bosnia, between the end of the war in 1995 and 2002. Britain had several hundred troops deployed in Bosnia to ensure there was no return to the conflict which had raged for three years.

Kosovo 1999. The RAF deployed Tornados as part of a 78-day bombing campaign to halt the ethnic cleansing of Albanian Muslims. By April 26, they had carried out around 350 attack sorties, about 10 per cent of the overall attack effort by that stage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 03:42 AM

By Keith's logic, I reckon I was being religiously persecuted when I ran out of "Cuprinol" shed paint yesterday and bloody B&Q was shut. Didn't half soak the bugger up.

Oh and matting for my hanging baskets.

Guess where I am going shortly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 03:27 AM

It seems we are to get no response from Keith so, as expected, persecution is only persecution when it is done by Muslims and not too them - no surprises then!
Rather interesting phenomenon when scrolling down this now unmanageable thread, due to its size.
It invariably get's stuck on the massive list of Muslim atrocities supplied by Booboo - all lifted from the extremist 'Muslim Watch' site, which appears to sum up the Islamophobic nature of many of these arguments.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 05:16 PM

Q: Are you disputing the fact that "Chrstians"[sic] have exterminated untold millions...

A: Greg, yes. I have answered your question...


Wrong answer, Keith; in your own favorite, childish phrase, you lose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 03:56 PM

By the way - The United Nations sent troops to Bosnia - Britain was only one of 41 other nations who went as part of the United Nations Protective Force, the others being Argentina, Australia, Bangladesh, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ghana, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Jordan, Kenya, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, the Russian Federation, Slovak Republic, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, the United Kingdom and the United States.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 03:39 PM

The "we" in his case here includes the vast majority of soldiers who believe in beer, sex, wanking and football.

Also includes many soldiers who are from other faiths. In fact, Christians are less represented in the army than in the street.

Can you be clear who you mean when you say "we" Keith? You use "we" to mean God botherer in this thread so clarity when you mean "British soldier of multiple or usually non religion "


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 03:21 PM

"Jim, we did not just condemn it, we acted to stop it"
Yiu are deliberately avoiding the point
By "we" I assume you don't mean Christians - not interested what the British Government does - she only obeys her masters voice.
Th massacres in former Yugoslavia were carried out by Christians slaughtering Muslims - doesn't come any more complicated than that.
Lets see if we can't clear a few things up.
All sectarian persecution is evil no matter who does what to whom
A bunch of religious fanatics who go around slaughtering people is no more or less evil than a bunch of clergymen who rape children or inciting murderous sectarian hatred.   
How am I doing so far?
Any church who condones or actively supports such behaviour is inherently evil and unfit to hold public office,
Any problems with that?.
All the major religions have been guilty of such behaviour to one extent or another in the relatively recent past.
There - yes or no, simple as that?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 03:12 PM

If your hobby is so clever,why feel the need to misquote?

Face it. Nobody died because they are Christians, they died because they aren't Muslim.

Your "we are in it together" martyr syndrome just allows you to perpetuate the hate these criminals feel and turn it into some Armageddon fallacy.

Fight the good fight. Onward Christian soldiers. The inane smile isn't so obvious when you come across real believers is it?

You may as well shout that some had the same hairstyle as you. It is sickening that Christians are putting up the myth that their hobby is under threat. They killed normal people too you prat.

It isn't Islam that is perverted, it is religion. The sooner the idiots in government realise they are a minority and can be disenfranchised without losing too many votes, the better.

Religion is a force for bad shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 02:29 PM

Jim, we did not just condemn it, we acted to stop it by putting our own people in harms way.

Musket,
As I said, nobody died for their beliefs, they died for the belief of the blokes with the guns.
They died for the religion of the criminals who killed them.

After Charlie Hebdo, you said that the killers' religion was not relevant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 02:09 PM

"Hundreds of British troops have had to be sent home from Bosnia."
Where does this condemn the fact that the Massacres by Christians massacring Muslims?
All religious persecution is evil ignoring, excusing or even supporting any form of religious persecution while making a special case for another is equally evil
Let's here it for religious persecution of any kind instead of when the biter gets bitten
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:47 PM

Greg, yes.
I have answered your question, so please answer mine.


Jim,

Subject: BS: British Army at it again
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 06:00 AM

Hundreds of British troops have had to be sent home from Bosnia.
They and other EU forces are no longer needed to keep the peace and rebuild.
The Muslim people NATO moved in to protect are now secure.
And not a drop of oil in the place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:41 PM

Are you disputing the fact that "Chrstians"[sic] have exterminated untold millions in the name of their faith, Keith?


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:41 PM

ask the Muslim victims of Christian persecution in former Yugoslavia

It was Western forces, including the British Army, who put a stop to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:36 PM

"Jim, the Pope did pray for persecution victims"
Which Pope in particular - up to the present one, they supported the persecution with their silence and their manipulation
A bit late now, doncha think (and still no access to the archives or reparation in full for the Magdalene!!)
"please allow Christians to speak out against the many massacres of their fellow Christians." Nobody is stopping them - just pointoing out tat they have all been at it at one time or another - ask the Muslim victims of Christian persecution in former Yugoslavia.
"Why does any mention of those massacres make you people so angry?"
It doesn't - using them to continue sectarian warfare is what does the trick
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:36 PM

Fact is that Muslims are no better than Christians in the massacre department.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:35 PM

Greg, last time you made a comment like that and were challenged on it, you said you did not mean it.

Christians are being hunted to extinction
And long overdue, too, Keith


Please Greg, so we know where you are coming from, please tell us if you are just joking with us or if you really mean that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:08 PM

Christians are being hunted to extinction

And long overdue, too, Keith - the chickens coming home to roost - if only in just retribution for the untold millions that "Christians"[sic] have exterminated over the last 2000+ years in the name of their faith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 01:08 PM

Jim, the Pope did pray for persecution victims other than Christians, but please allow Christians to speak out against the many massacres of their fellow Christians.

Why does any mention of those massacres make you people so angry?


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 12:43 PM

Can we move the discussion along for a change of pace to the "War On Christmas" or any of the numerous other fundagelical "Christian"[sic] idiocies?

How about The Rupture? 'scuse me - Rapture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 12:33 PM

My irrational stalker gets more weird by the post. Keep this up and I will be able to stab a good guess at when he forgets to take his medication.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 12:27 PM

"I need no excuses from you."
It would be interesting to get a response on persecution by the Christian Church of other religions - don't suppose there's one forthcoming though
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 11:24 AM

Oh I know very well the twisted point you were trying to make Musket 1,2, or 3.

I need no excuses from you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 11:15 AM

I'm surprised you aren't religious Akenaton. You are certainly stupid enough and bigoted enough, judging by your post above.

I was talking of Christian lobbying in Uganda, USA, Russia etc, and even here, to make being gay an offence. The church funded lobby in Uganda even wanted to make it a capital offence. Pastors, priests and Imans line up to persecute gay people, to the point of killing them in countries where superstition reins supreme.

Nobody gives a flying Fuck about your weird irrational views on who has the right to be married and who isn't. In your neck of the woods, SNP fought hard for equality in marriage and their voters are proud of their resolve. Everybody has the right, except Church of England vicars, who are being persecuted by a law pushed by their own church.

Complicated thing this persecution lark. Good job the vast majority are irreligious in The UK although as you clearly demonstrate, religions don't have the monopoly on hating others do they?

Anyone got a bucket?


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 11:13 AM

"The Anglican church persecuted gays for being gay"
The Christian church stood by for decades, probably centuries, while their clergymen raped children - when that abuse became public knowledge, they moved the offending persecutor to places where they could persecute without hindrance.
The hierarchy of the church in question still refuse access to the documented information regarding that persecution.
"Christian" extremists, egged on by fanatical clergymen, encouraged inter-religious fighting which led to the deaths of many thousands of people in Northern Ireland.
No religion is any more trustworthy than another when it comes to religious persecution.
Do not trivialise the result of religious persecution by one sect in order to excuse that of another.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 10:54 AM

"It isn't their faith but the perceived link between their faith and the West that terrorists are exploiting."

Bingo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 10:44 AM

Neither am I. Although two things to bear in mind.

There is a lot of persecution of people who aren't the flavour of Islam the murderers tend to be. This is seen as persecuting people for being Christians, where it is for not being Muslim.

There is a lot of resentment and hatred towards the West by those pissed off with historical imperialism and latter day being fucked over. It morphs as comparing religions. The West is wrongly seen as Christian whereas it is secular other than the likes of Cameron trying to get the God vote. He obviously doesn't notice the polls his sort usually worship.

So much for Keith's assertion

They did not die for their faith. If thinking so gives you a warm fuzzy feeling when in your pew, your empathy is misplaced. They died for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It isn't their faith but the perceived link between their faith and the West that terrorists are exploiting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 10:43 AM

So, at the last it has come to this.


"Those people died for not being Muslims. The Anglican church persecuted gays for being gay".........a disgusting attempt to equate the brutal murder of Christians for not being Muslim and opposition to marriage rights for a tiny sexual minority.

"liberalism in a nutshell"    This is what is behind all the opposition to Christianity on this forum.
I'm an atheist, but many of my friends and neighbours are Christians as far as I know they are all good a decent people, they do no harm to themselves or others, their beliefs are no business of any other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 10:23 AM

"Christian Persecution"

I am not in favour of it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 09:22 AM

This thread was started and now reopened by somebody who told us that those living under persecution BY the Christian church was free to go and live else where.
Says everything that needs to be said, as far as I'm concerned.
All this religious fundamentalism, whatever particular denomination, is a threat to anybody it effects.
Too much communion wine parhaps?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 09:22 AM

Christians are being hunted to extinction in the Middle East.

It will be of little comfort to them as they watch their loved ones killed and wait for their death that they are being killed for not being Muslim, and not because they are Christians.

They die for their faith.
By definition they are martyrs.
Sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 08:59 AM

I doubt I did miss any point.

Condemning violence is commendable and expected. After all, Church leaders impress lots of people, but the inference that it is holy death is just plain sick. It is a being in the wrong place at the wrong time death. The religion of the murderer is the factor, not the religion of the victim.

There is a huge difference between persecuting someone for what they are and persecuting them for what they aren't.

Those people died for not being Muslims. The Anglican church persecuted gays for being gay. An assertive versus passive argument.

When the shopping mall murders took place, people were asked if they were Muslim and tested in their knowledge. Welby piped up that some of the dead were killed for being Christian when even he had to later admit that they were killed for not being Muslim. A huge difference..


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 08:20 AM

The "nurse" joke might have subsumed a certain wit once, but has IMO got somewhat tedious.

You gain another credit towards your degree in the Miss·The·Point Tripos,, Whichever·Popgun·Is·On·Today.

Happy Easter

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 06:32 AM

"Anti-Christian bigots may use offensive posts to get this thread closed."
I hope this stateent puts the kiss of death on this thread
This sort of antagonism is obviously designed to provoke a hostile response
Can the forum fairies please put a stop to this troll
Happy Easter all!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 06:03 AM

For starters you are referring to one or two of the atrocities mentioned by church leaders. Bombs don't discriminate and neither do most of the gunmen.. For a second, I very much doubt that anybody felt their answer was going to make them a martyr, (get nurse to read the definition of martyr to you) and thirdly, for irresponsible church leaders to call them martyrs makes perverse sense to the terrorists and from their warped perspective, justifies and exacerbates their idea of a holy war, or jihad as it is referred.

As I said, nobody died for their beliefs, they died for the belief of the blokes with the guns.

Meanwhile, it is being hijacked as we type by churches using it as an excuse to say that criticising the church is persecution.

Pathetic, abhorrent and disgusting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 05:44 AM

"the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury are calling the victims of religious terrorists martyrs, which is no better than the other religious leaders inspiring terrorists."
.,,.

To reply in moderate terms, this is a matter of opinion, & I consider your opinion here entirely mistaken, Musket. It is, for a start, self-evidently hyperbolical and overstated; and also inaccurate: in several instances, as I read it, each member of a group was asked to identify his religion: those replying Muslim were left alone, but the Christians affirmed that that was what they were, despite it being obvious that the stinking mob asking the question was going to kill them for their answer. Is that not martyrdom in your book? If not, how would you define it?

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 04:35 AM

What an extraordinary way of starting a post? Who are these bigots Keith? Any chance of providing a link to where they post? Religious bigotry is usually by religious bigots if memory serves me well.

On the subject of church leaders cashing in on terror to make them look important, I notice the following;

Religious leaders inspire terrorists to do their wicked deeds by saying they will be martyrs. Interestingly, both the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury are calling the victims of religious terrorists martyrs, which is no better than the other religious leaders inspiring terrorists.

Nobody died for their religion in any of the recent attacks. They died for the religion of the criminals who killed them. To call them Christian martyrs is as obscene as using their relatives and friends grief as an advert for silencing critics, or persecution as they wrongly and disturbingly call comment from rational people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 04:07 AM

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Please delete the posts instead.

This year is the centenary of the genocide of Armenians, a Christian minority in Turkey.
It started in April.

The head of the Anglican Church will today decry the persecution and murder of Christians now.

On Friday, the Vatican spoke,

BBC,

Pope Francis has condemned the "complicit silence" about the killing of Christians during a Good Friday service in Rome.

Among the cross bearers were Syrian and Iraqi refugees, and Nigerians who had escaped Boko Haram persecution.

The service came a day after almost 150 people were killed in an al-Shabab attack on a Kenyan university.
"We still see today our persecuted brothers, decapitated and crucified for their faith in you [Jesus], before our eyes and often with our complicit silence," Pope Francis said, presiding over the ceremony at the Colosseum.

In St Peter's Basilica, the Pope prayed prostrated on the floor
Earlier, he condemned the attack in Kenya, where Christians were singled out and shot, as an act of "senseless brutality".
In another Good Friday ceremony, Pope Francis listened as the Vatican's official preacher Raniero Cantalamessa denounced the "disturbing indifference of world institutions in the face of all this killing of Christians".
He too mentioned the Kenya attack, as well as the beheading of 22 Egyptian Coptic Christians by Islamic State (IS) militants in Libya in February.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 06:55 PM

dangerous to attend church, dangerous to attend school. it is hard to see what bakas hopes for. I suppose a fearful, impoverished country that they can control.


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 04:19 AM

A list of massacres in Nigeria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Nigeria


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Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Feb 14 - 04:05 AM

I said I would not do it again, but this changed my mind.
It is as horrific as the massacre made up by Musket, but it is sadly all too true.

Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown yesterday,

"When courageous Malala Yousafzai was shot, 5 million men, women and children signed petitions calling for every girl in Pakistan to have the chance to go school.

But this week the world remained silent when 40 schoolchildren were shot and then burnt to death in a school in north east Nigeria. The incident was nothing less than a massacre of the innocents.

This latest attack, perpetrated by Boko Haram, brings the number of people murdered in the last month by the terrorist group to 300. Many were children targeted simply for going to school.

President Jonathan called the attack "a callous and senseless murder by deranged terrorists and fanatics who have clearly lost all human morality and descended to bestiality." US Secretary of State John Kerry has condemned "unspeakable acts of terror." Malala herself has spoken out for Nigerian children murdered when they are at school.

But so far there has been scant global reaction."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gordon-brown/a-senseless-massacre-of-i_b_4866860.html


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