BS: Christian Persecution

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: bobad
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 03:11 PM

"bobad said it first and then back pedalled when I challenged him, screaming about context. I got the context alright, hence my question."

Huh? WTF are you talking about? I never did any such thing, I think you are rather confused - which is no revelation AFAICS.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 03:06 PM

I remembered a few and googled a few.

Righto- your demonstrably faulty memory plus "I read it on the internet, it must be true".

Pitiful.

But not unexpected.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 02:56 PM

What proof do you want Jim.
I remembered a few and googled a few.
If you had managed to find a false entry you would tell us.
I couldn't either.
It seems to be accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 01:16 PM

The more you repeat your claim to have "checked it out yourself", the more stupidly obvious your Islamophobic tirade becomes.
If you have "checked it out yourself", convince us that you are not lying - evidence is the best policy - as they say.
You have the pedigree of your source of information - we have your history of telling porkies
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 01:00 PM

Jim, I have no reasons why you should believe this list or anything else.
That is why I checked it myself.
It checks out.
Sorry, but it does, and I know you have also checked.
It hardly matters where it came from if it is true.
Neither of us can find a single fault with it, so what is your objection?

Musket, Islam and Islamism are indeed "sooooo fucking different."
You are indeed an ignorant twat.
And you accuse me of trying to make you look a twat!
No need to try.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 12:15 PM

Getting a bit desperate aren't we? "Err.. I didn't say Islam, I said Islamism, which is sooo fucking different, I'm going to point and laugh at you for being thick!"

Go on then, either you or your best mate bobad. Tell us what you think is the difference and why the difference is important in Keith's smear of a good few million people.

I like it when Keith finds a fellow fool. It eggs him on to reveal even more of his arse. You could do a double act. Come to think of it, bobad said it first and then back pedalled when I challenged him, screaming about context. I got the context alright, hence my question.

Keith on the other hand can't back pedal because his chain fell off in his first post.



I didn't say pig ignorant, I said pigignorant, which is of course an entirely different thing.

You two pair of clowns should cut and paste your withering diatribe and stick it in the pedantry thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 10:06 AM

This is the source of your "genuine cases" - which you refuse to corroborate
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
And this is description of the site itself
"http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/the-religion-of-peace/"
I've told you why We can't believe them - you gives a reason why we should
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 09:27 AM

"It's a subject that has become ever more urgent this year with violence against Christians in Syria, where Islamists have been engaged in 'religious cleansing', and in Egypt, which saw the worst anti-Christian violence in centuries.

Over the weekend the leading Catholic in Iraq, Patriarch Louis Sako, was in Rome where he lamented the west's apathy, after a decade in which 1,000 Iraqi Christians have been murdered, over 60 churches bombed, and a pre-war population of one million reduced to 200,000 at most.

He said: 'We feel forgotten and isolated. We sometimes wonder, if they kill us all, what would be the reaction of Christians in the West? Would they do something then?'"

"For those who make no effort to press for religious freedom and security in the Middle East, because they are scared of appearing Islamophobic, how do you think history will judge that excuse?"
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/edwest/2013/12/if-they-kill-us-all-what-would-be-the-reaction-of-christians-in-the-west/

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: bobad
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 08:10 AM

"Do I need to educate you both on the difference between Islam and Islamism, Muslims and Islamists?"

They are either too thick to get it or it's one and the same to them, which would explain much.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 08:10 AM

And Jim,
someone who is attempting to rewrite history of 'facts' supplied by so-called military historians and rejecting the evidence of established historians

If you can name one such "established historian" I have rejected, please post it on the armistice site, where I have been requesting that information for weeks.

I say you are lying about that as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: bobad
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 08:03 AM

Carroll, if you're going to start with your "seig [sic] heils" you best get the spelling right lest you embarrass your fellow travelers.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 07:46 AM

Can you give an example of such an event?
No.
If you heard about them on the News programmes they will be on the websites of those programmes.
I think your memory is playing tricks.
You can't even remember your name.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 07:37 AM

We know there have been attacks by Christians reported in News programs, but when you look for them online, you are given reams of comment for the other side.

Nobody is interested in Muslims killed, so no change there.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 07:07 AM

Do I need to educate you both on the difference between Islam and Islamism, Muslims and Islamists?

You are a very ignorant person.
You are so stupid you actually make me look good.
Nice job.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 06:58 AM

"Islamist apologist,"
They have much to be apologised for." K A of H

"Keith. When you said "they" with regard to Islam and having much to apologise for." Musket

"But nobody did say that, so what is your point?" K A of H (Alias Nobody!)

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 06:42 AM

"Church leaders say the attacks in the north were carried out directly by Islamist terror group Boko Haram, while those in central Nigeria were carried out at their instigation.

Press reports say Boko Haram have forced 8,000 Christians to flee, and many who remain are no longer able to worship in public. According to the US-based Hudson Institute Boko Haram has killed at least 900 Christians in the past year. Their stated aim is to impose fundamentalist Islamic law in Nigeria."

There's a world of ambiguity in that report.

Boko Haram are dedicated to removing non Muslims, and the non Muslims in those areas happen to be Christian. If they were Buddists, Hindu, Sikh or Shinto, they would be the victims and there would have been no thread from you decrying it.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 06:02 AM

I can find nothing but genuine cases.
Can you find ONE SINGLE non-genuine case?
No.
So what is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 05:48 AM

"Can you find ONE SINGLE non-genuine case?"
If you want to validate a fascist site it's up to you to prove their/your 'facts' - not me to prove otherwise.
Personally I wouldn't touch heir information with a bargepole - fasict propaganda is just what it says on the label
For someone who is attempting to rewrite history of 'facts' supplied by so-called military historians and rejecting the evidence of established historians - you're not doing too well in providing any here.
Have a good Nuremberg Rally - seig heil again
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 05:34 AM

Keith. When you said "they" with regard to Islam and having much to apologise for.

But nobody did say that, so what is your point?

If your "incident" happened in any part of Nigeria, there would be reports.
There are none.
Funny that.
It is as if you made it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 04:32 AM

Keith. When you said "they" with regard to Islam and having much to apologise for...

Were you saying that as a Christian? How much have Christians to apologise for?

Come to think of it, should I ring a Muslim friend or two and ask them to apologise for foreigners in land grab and power struggles?

Hang on. Just looked down the corridor. Can't see any. They must all be out on wards, theatres and clinics caring for patients.

The Nigeria example I gave is of course interesting. It happened in the south of the country, yet the opposite has, with slightly different detail, happened in the North where the Christians are the minority.

You see, it isn't about Jesus or The Prophet, it's about preventing the sizeable minority becoming the majority.

As ever.

Debasing faith and using it for more material means.

Perpetuated by fools who try to shoehorn religion into it, hence playing straight into the hands of the oppressors.

Nice one Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 02:57 AM

Musket.

The children in an Islamic School in Nigeria the other year weren't given a choice. They were cut up and fed to pigs.

A genuine trick of the memory, or another blatant lie.

Which is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Dec 13 - 11:49 AM

I can find nothing but genuine cases.
Can you find ONE SINGLE non-genuine case?
No.
So what is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 13 - 10:18 AM

"Jim, you yourself must remember many of those incidents."
Where is your evidence that they all - or even half or a quarter of them took place?
Where is your evidence that they were 'religious' attacks and not just attacks on people who happened to belong to a certain religion?
Nobody is denying that Christians are being persecuted - you, on the other hand, have attempted to play down and dismiss crimes of persecution by Christian churches on it's own and other believers - even to the extent of trying to prevent discussion on that fact.
This shit comes from an extremist hate site - you have given it your wholehearted support and demanded that we follow your line in swallowing it wholesale without proof.
You have now made yourself an open part of the hate machine - do not use Mudcat as your mouthpiece.
You want to go through this diatribe of hate article by article and show us which are true - feel free- it should keep you occupied from now to MacColl's 100th in 2015 - it will certainly slow your 'hate' gallop down considerably
It will also underline your dedication to hate-sites - always handy to know where the dog has shat before you put your foot down!
You appear to be single-handedly polluting an excellent forum with your diatribes of hate (don't really count Boo-boo, whose feet in morth make him little to a Laurel to your Hardy, good for light amusement and little more)
There has to come a time when the administrators of this site put a stop to your outpourings of hate and bigotry - it really is getting out of hand.
The sooner it happens, the cleaner the air.
Now - your proof, and please stop insulting our intelligence with your rantings
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Dec 13 - 09:05 AM

"Islamist apologist,"
They have much to be apologised for.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: bobad
Date: 18 Dec 13 - 08:17 AM

"Hey bobad! When you speak of an apologist for Islam,"

Musket, please reread for comprehension, thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Dec 13 - 04:05 AM

Musket.
"The children in an Islamic School in Nigeria the other year weren't given a choice. They were cut up and fed to pigs"

Imagined or made up?
Fantasy or lie?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Dec 13 - 04:03 AM

Aye.. The DUP... Nice to see the experts get to have a say in how to persecute fellow Christians . They'll be walking on The Queen's pavement next......

Hey bobad! When you speak of an apologist for Islam, what does Islam need to apologise for in your view?

Just wondering....

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Dec 13 - 03:11 AM

Hansard last week
That this House is concerned that the persecution of Christians is increasing in the 21st Century; notes that there are reports that one Christian is killed every 11 minutes somewhere on earth for their faith; further notes that Christianity is the most persecuted religion globally; bears in mind that the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion is a human right stated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights; and calls on the Government to do more both in its foreign policy and through its aid work to defend and support people of Christian faith.

It is a pleasure to bring this matter forward for consideration. The number of Members in the Chamber is an indication of the level of interest, and I look forward to outlining some of the issues.

I believe that the persecution of Christians is the biggest story in the world that has never been told, and its importance cannot be underlined enough. The subject burdens me, and many other Members, judging by the number here.

Mark Field (Cities of London and Westminster) (Con): It is greatly to the credit of the Democratic Unionist party that it has secured this debate. Let us be honest: if this were happening to almost any other religious group it would be something of a national scandal. That makes it all the more important to put the ongoing persecution of Christians in many parts of the world on the political map. This debate will do that in the next two and three quarter hours.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm131203/debtext/131203-0003.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Dec 13 - 03:00 AM

More than 70 Christians reported killed at instigation of terror group Boko Haram. 900 Christians murdered in past year. Release launches Christmas appeal Help the Wounded. Radio report available here.



There have been further attacks against Christians in Nigeria. Raiders killed 37 Christians in the central Plateau State on Tuesday. A further 34 have been killed in Borno State in the north-east in the past month.

Church leaders say the attacks in the north were carried out directly by Islamist terror group Boko Haram, while those in central Nigeria were carried out at their instigation.

Press reports say Boko Haram have forced 8,000 Christians to flee, and many who remain are no longer able to worship in public. According to the US-based Hudson Institute Boko Haram has killed at least 900 Christians in the past year. Their stated aim is to impose fundamentalist Islamic law in Nigeria.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/59567

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Dec 13 - 02:42 AM

BBC today.
Prince Charles said he felt deeply troubled by the plight of Christians.

"For 20 years I have tried to build bridges between Islam and Christianity to dispel ignorance and misunderstanding," he told the audience.

"The point though, surely, is that we have now reached a crisis where bridges are rapidly being deliberately destroyed by those with a vested interest in doing so.

"This is achieved through intimidation, false accusation and organised persecution including to the Christian communities in the Middle East at the present time."

The Coptic Church traces its origins back to the 1st Century when it was founded by the apostle St Mark.

The Syrian Orthodox Church says it was established by St Peter who became its first bishop.

Christians living in the Middle East have often had a wary relationship with their Muslim neighbours.

The Arab Spring though has led to an upsurge in violence with many Christians fleeing the region to avoid attack.

In Egypt, violence against the Copts increased after the military overthrow of Muslim Brotherhood President Mohammed Morsi.

Hundreds of church properties, homes and businesses were attacked and looted.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 02:08 PM

Musket, I watch and listen to and read BBC, and I would have remembered that, but I don't.
You either imagined it or made it up.

Such a story would be easy to Google, but it doesn't work for me.
You try.

Jim, you yourself must remember many of those incidents.
What was the justification for your challenge?
You obviously can not find a false one or you would be crowing about it.
It is just yet more deceit from Jim Carrol.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 01:41 PM

All we can do is point to examples that are true.
I have checked through many and also remember many of the incidents.
Simmple then - prove them - give i#us you evidence of the many of them - both that they actually exist and that they are 'religious crimes - I doubt if there's anybody who will take your word for anything nowadays
My "challenge" is that if they exist as actual events at all, there is no evidence that any of them are religiously motivated.
We are now exactly where we have always needed to be - you presenting 'facts' from an ultra-right website and demanding that we accept them without proof.
They are fascist propaganda - they come with no proof and they come from you and your little friend.
I assume you are a fully paid up member of the BNP -or is your card still in the post.
Thanks Keith - couldn't wish for a better Christmas present.
Seig heil and all that
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 11:56 AM

Yeah, the BBC makes all of it up.

Except the list of historians it can afford to write for it, apparently

zzzzzzzzz


You'll be telling me Blackadder was made up shit next.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: bobad
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 11:36 AM

"If some self-declared fascist produces a list of unqualified 'facts' in order to peddle their garbage it is up them to prove their 'facts' not for the rest of us to disprove it."

This from a Jew hating, Islamist apologist, and he labels others as fascists - hah!

But at least he is nothing but consistent in his name calling and smearing when faced with indisputable facts that put to lie to his claims.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 05:46 AM

If some self-declared fascist produces a list of unqualified 'facts' in order to peddle their garbage it is up them to prove their 'facts' not for the rest of us to disprove it.

How can we?
All we can do is point to examples that are true.
I have checked through many and also remember many of the incidents.

What is your challenge Jim?
If you can not find one single false example, you have no case.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 05:40 AM

"So you give up straight away"
If some self-declared fascist produces a list of unqualified 'facts' in order to peddle their garbage it is up them to prove their 'facts' not for the rest of us to disprove it.
They have produced the list Boo-boo has presented it here, you support it - you prove it - it is not my job to wade though your Islamophobic garbage do disprove anything you and your little cabal of fascists put up.
How can anybody prove lies are lies if there is no information baccking them up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 05:36 AM

Musket.
The children in an Islamic School in Nigeria the other year weren't given a choice. They were cut up and fed to pigs.

Imagined or made up?

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 05:33 AM

And I don't recall any occasion when Jesus is purported to have advocated burning Jews and Muslims. Do you?

Er, no.
But as you say, I am not very bright.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 05:24 AM

"1st century BCE, the Herodian Kingdom was established as a Roman client kingdom and then in 6 CE parts became a province of the Roman Empire.[1]
Judea province was the scene of unrest at its founding during the Census of Quirinius and several wars were fought in its history, known as the Jewish-Roman wars. The Temple was destroyed in 70 as part of the Great Jewish Revolt"

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 04:39 AM

"Troubadore you seem to be saying that the Christians may deserve to be massacred and driven out of their ancestral homes.
Is that right?
And you were kidding about Jews, Arabs and even Romans lived fairly peacefully side by side, right?"

I am saying nothing of the sort, idiot. If the only way you can answer is by misinterpreting and challenging the misinterpretation, you ain't worth the bother of a response.

I said that animosity leads to persecution and animosity stems from past and present actions

That isn't an endorsement, it's an explanation and it applies to all who persecute or are persecuted, which makes Jim's comments about persecution (however minor) germane to the topic which you only wished to restrict after your premise was challenge.

As to Palestine around the time that Jesus would have lived, it was analagous to the latter years of British rule in India, with Herod ruling under Roman guidance and the majority living quite peacefully.

And I don't recall any occasion when Jesus is purported to have advocated burning Jews and Muslims. Do you?

Final point. You don't come across as very smart if you can't spell a name that is in full view as you write.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 04:15 AM

So you give up straight away.
I can produce as many as you like from that list that is a true example of persecution.
Jim Carrol, despite raising the issue and making accusations, CAN NOT FIND A SINGLE ONE.

Good job Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 04:05 AM

It is not my job to find anything to be untrue - particularly from a fascist website - it is the job of the sicko who supports such organisations by spreading their propaganda to validate their/his claims.
You claim to have known about the incidents - give us your information.
The claims are vague to say the least and virtually untraceable - there is not a shred of evidence to make them 'crimes of persecution - if they took place at all.
You want to spread this garbage - you validate it.
I said that there was a danger of opening this forum up to racist and sectarian bigots :
"If any censorship is necessary on forums like this it is that which gives credence to extremist fascist groups such as the ones you are supporting here - these are self-declared and extremely (no accident in using that word) Islamophobic sites and would be illegal in the governable world."
That is exactly what you and Boo-boo have done here by presenting openly Islamophobic propaganda from a site that does not pretend to do anything else.
I remember it being claimed at the time of fall of the Shah that there was a danger of the world entering into a holy war - that is exactly what has happened, not just by fanatical Muslims, but by Christians and by the Israeli regime, all desperately fighting for the souls of humanity and going to extremist lengths to do so.
You have made this forum part of that war with your partisan support for Israel and your virulent hatred of all Muslims (with their "cultural implants").
Prove your fascist garbage or leave it in the sewer it rightly came from.
Stop making this forum a cultural hate site.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: ollaimh
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 10:03 PM

sweet jesus, I pray on my knees, please persecute the Christians, they are destroying the world, lord save us from Christians!

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 05:41 PM

By the way - just for the record, the cases from Boo-boo's extremist
information list give little, if any evidence that the vast majority of them were "religious persecution" incidents and not just involving Christians who were living in Muslim countries - there is no evidence whatever that these were crimes of "Christian persecution".

That is bollocks Jim.
The fact is that you were completely unable to find one single item on that list that was not true.
Neither was I.

I now challenge you to find one item on that list that was not a crime of persecution of Christians.

You just spout shit and bollocks.
Go on.
Find one item on that list that is not what is claimed.
I will ask you for your progress in two days and then in seven days.
Or, just admit now that you are just spouting shit and bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 03:12 PM

By the way - just for the record, the cases from Boo-boo's extremist
information list give little, if any evidence that the vast majority of them were "religious persecution" incidents and not just involving Christians who were living in Muslim countries - there is no evidence whatever that these were crimes of "Christian persecution".
If I, an atheist, was attacked by a crowd of thugs who happened to be Christians, would that be Christian persecution.
Want to look up how many crimes against blacks by white criminals have ben rejected as "racist" by the police
So if you have other information - please present it.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 02:43 PM

"Jim, I challenged you to identify a single incident that was not true."
And I defy you to prove that all of the many hundreds he put up that are true - you gave all of them your unqualified support - prove it.
"I do not think the list was untrue, whoever published it."
If any censorship is necessary on forums like this it is that which gives credence to extremist fascist groups such as the ones you are supporting here - these are self-declared and extremely (no accident in using that word) Islamophobic sites and would be illegal in the governable world.
Boo-boo has used White Power sites before now in his Islamophobic crusade
"Christian communities are disappearing now after two thousand years of coexistence."
Age old religions, some far older than Christianity, disappeared without trace under the British Empire - that's exactly what one religion does to the others when it has any say in the matter - goes with the territory.
As late as my schooldays we were still singing hymns claiming that to belong to religions other than Christianity was to be "in error's chain".
Wars were/are still fought "with God on our side".
"though it already happened to many Jewish communities."
And Israelis are driving out Palestinians to make room for Jewish settlements - and oppressing, starving and killing people in ordoer to do so - that's exactly what one religion does to the others when it has any say in the matter - goes with the territory.
Israel is now being described, by Jews and non-Jews alike, as "the Apartheid State"
"Troubadore you seem to be saying that the Christians may deserve to be massacred and driven out of their ancestral homes."
He/she is saying no such thing - just pointing out the tit-for-tat nature of all religions - that's how I read it anyway.
You are the only one supporting religious intolerance and persecution here by attempting to suppress and censor discussion on Christian behaviour towards believers and non-believers alike.
Any chance of your stopping deliberately misrepresenting other people's arguments just for a short time at least - c'mon, It's nearly Christmas - season of goodwill to all men.
"I know I'll be missed. (not!)"
I'll miss you Elmore, for the breath of fresh air if nothing else.
If your decision is irreversible - have a good Christmas.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 01:51 PM

Once again this thread has seduced me. I'm not sure why. I was about to launch into a diatribe about The Catholic Church's role in disturbing the peace between the Muslims and Jews in 15th century Spain, but thankfully realized it was pointless to do so. So, I'm out of here. I know I'll be missed. (not!) Nobody bullied me out. Those with whom I agree are far more eloquent than I. Regards, Elmore.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 12:32 PM

Jim, I challenged you to identify a single incident that was not true.
All the ones I checked were, and I remembered many more.
I do not think the list was untrue, whoever published it.

Troubadore you seem to be saying that the Christians may deserve to be massacred and driven out of their ancestral homes.
Is that right?
And you were kidding about Jews, Arabs and even Romans lived fairly peacefully side by side, right?

Jim.
you seem to be avoiding that fact that this persecution is part of a millenia old religious war in which nobody comes out with clean hands.
No.
Christian communities are disappearing now after two thousand years of coexistence.
That is happening to no-one else, though it already happened to many Jewish communities.

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 11:54 AM

Fascinating discussion here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence
Jim Carroll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence
By the way – there is little doubt that this subject is being used as an Islamophobic rant at present – little Boo-boo has provided to enormous cut-'n-pastes from openly Islamophobic fascist sites and Keith has said he has no doubt that all the facts provided (from these openly Islamophobic fascist sites) are true.
So there you go.... long spoons when dining with the Devil and all that

Subject: RE: BS: Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 11:50 AM

"You could start a thread.
You don't because you seek to destroy this one.
You do not want its subject to be discussed so you get together and swamp it with other issues."

Wrong as usual!

The attitudes and petty discriminations of the Christian religions are pertinent inasmuch as they go some way toward explaining just why Muslims and many others dislike them so much.

You can't simply assume that persecution happens without reasons. The roots of such are inextricably bound up in past and present actions.

I would also remind Bobad that Jesus was a Jew, just in case he has forgotten, who lived in a country where Jews, Arabs and even Romans lived fairly peacefully side by side.

If the church which was set up in his name by people who never knew him had taken in his ideas and followed them, the Middle East would now be a haven of peace and tranquility.