Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 01:42 PM

if songs of self-pity were done away with, approx. a quarter of the country music catalogue would vanish

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 01:40 PM

Wanna' explain why a song can't be good because it reflects self-pity?

I think that for almost any child born to a famous parent can sometimes have a rough road. They often find themselves in the same business simply because they grew up with it. They may have even more skill than their famous parent but they may have less. In either case the expectation level of the fan can be almost out of reach for them.

The way they handle this may be different for each one but self-pity, even in the short term, often comes into play. I think most learn to deal with it and move on but the means they use might be unhealthy. It gets worse for the kid who bears the same name and the parent is dead. I used part of it about Dale Jr. because a portion of his fan base came from Dale Sr. He gets the young girl saying she's his biggest fan and the old drunk saying he's not as good as his Daddy and never will be. My question.....who wants to be Junior?

There are lots of songs about anger, love, heartbreak, loss......self-pity is just another feeling. If you mean it makes for a navel gazer, you're right and they ain't my favorites either..... but they aren't all bad songs.


Spaw

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 01:23 PM

gnu: "And, as for Hank drinkin and doin morphine, d'ya s'pose he mighta had a reason fer that? My old man was drinkin wine and morphine when he died. Only reason it wasn't that stuff that killed him was cause I wouldn't give him as much as he wanted to ease ALL the pain. You got a mean streak."

Are you sure?
I don't drink, or do morphine, or ANY painkillers, and I have some pretty excruciating back pains, from an accident I suffered in the early '80's.
That shit is certainly more harmful, that the pain!

Just take a look.

GfS

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 01:12 PM

From: BTNG - PM
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 08:22 PM

Hands up all those who really care what Hank Williams Jr. thinks, says or does
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My hand is up because I was a fan for years. He put in a lot of hard roadwork under a different name and he made his money honestly. His fans didn't throw money at him for his looks or because his daddy was good.

I am glad he stood up to be accounted for by offering his opinion and I was very interested to to hear what he said. Otherwise, I wouldn't have known he's such a dickhead. I think Monday Night Football accounted his ass reeeeal good.

And, as for Hank drinkin and doin morphine, d'ya s'pose he mighta had a reason fer that? My old man was drinkin wine and morphine when he died. Only reason it wasn't that stuff that killed him was cause I wouldn't give him as much as he wanted to ease ALL the pain. You got a mean streak.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 01:03 PM

Hank Jr's son has inherited a measure of his grandfather's incredible talent.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 01:00 PM

There is an interesting hypothesis (can't prove it) that the talent gene doesn't run through father to son. John Barrymore Jr. Julian Lenon. Frank Sinatra Jr. Hank Williams Jr.

That's not to say that the aforementioned are devoid of any talent but does the gene
of real success come through the father or the mother? (Mendel figures here).

Hank Jr. is obviously an impaired alcoholic who is a tragic figure who can never aspire to his father's success. He traded on the "name" which is always a mistake because he sets himself up to comparison.

The song posted above is not particularly good because it reflects a self-pity.

Hank Jr. and Toby Keith try to wrap themselves in the flag, a fatal mistake for both of them.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 12:47 PM

Back in 1953 they didn't quite have the forensic testing that they do now. I can only go by what I know the family said. We know now, that alcohol and barbiturates, and/or heroin, morphine, and other downers, and/or opium based drugs can be a fatal cocktail. This is a known fact! According to the family, and the mother, who knew him, and was aware of his excesses, Hank was KNOWN to abuse those substances...so much, that she discouraged her sons to pursue music, as a career. This I KNOW!
Now, if that isn't good enough for you, sorry...but I've know the family since the '50s. I am not smearing Hank, nor Elvis, nor Janis, nor Jimi, nor Morrison, nor Jackson, nor Winehouse, nor Denny Wilson, nor my former musical partner, nor any other musician/artist who fell into that temptation. If anything, it is a tragedy that rips people off from not only an artist, but to those close to that person, a dad, husband, wife, mother, brother, sister, son, daughter and/or friend. So let's knock it off, OK?

Respectfully,
GfS

P.S. As to 'Big Al's' assertion, "And isn't this what Obama is about? Trying to end this business of only a third of Americans having medical cover - extracting you from foreign wars that should hve been short punitive expeditions, but turned into trying reforming countries that don't really want to be reformed, and thus wasting your country's wealth."

Obama hasn't done ANY of those things....and he could have, ended the wars, and our foreign involvements, and vetoed economy crippling bailouts, that served the crooks and his cronies, with the stroke of a pen. As far as 'Health Care', the provisions in the bill, is what they were after. If it was 'only' for 'health reasons', Medicare/Medicaid could have been cleaned up, and expanded.....without dividing the country, and adding the totalitarian provisions, contained in the 'Obama Care' bill.
So the answer to your question,"And isn't this what Obama is about?"
The answer is a resounding "NO!".....and that should be alarmingly obvious to you by now! Had he done those things, there wouldn't even be a 'Tea Party'!..and, by the way, in case you're wondering about my position, Bush carries the weight of the guilt, as well!

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 12:36 PM

For what it's worth.
GfS

Ain't worth shit. As usual.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 11:38 AM

Hanks Sr. was legendary singer/songwriter ..... I still enjoy listening to him ..... as do many, many ... many others .... and that's all what really matters.

biLL

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 08:55 AM

"gratuitous assertion" comes to mind.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 08:52 AM

No one doubts that morphine and alcohol were both involved in the death of Hank, Sr.   But anyone who alleges that the "generally accepted" story of his death is wrong has an obligation to give us what he or she sees as the actual facts, with exact quotes and exact sources.

Otherwise such an allegation bears a remarkable resemblance to a smear.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 08:44 AM

Back in Hank Senior's day there wasn't the big money to be made... I mean, yeah, one could make a nice living but for all the nights where you did well there were one's where you didn't make jack... That's what kept Hank Senior well grounded...

Fast forward and his son is a multi-millionaire and with not much to show for it in terms of his output compared to his daddy... I mean, what??? Not a #1 song in 25 years and not too many of them... But Hank is a rich guy and a redneck... Perfect combination for an Obama hater...


Hank ain't concerned about the lives of folks who buy his records... If he was he's have the empathy to write better songs...

B~

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 08:33 AM

Indeed, if your best friend's dad was a drummer for an undetermined period of time, the story that famiy tells must be the unquestioned truth--who could doubt such a well-researched investigation?

The National Enquirer is waiting for your call.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 07:05 AM

Wow - Your friend had a father that played drums for Hank Sr. for a little while. And they tell a different story than the one generally accepted.

Well - that's good enough for me. Thanks for the evidence.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 02:18 AM

Nonetheless Hank Senior's work is full of empathy and compassion and grim humour for life's losers.

And isn't this what Obama is about? Trying to end this business of only a third of Americans having medical cover - extracting you from foreign wars that should hve been short punitive expeditions, but turned into trying reforming countries that don't really want to be reformed, and thus wasting your country's wealth.

I'm sorry that Hank jnr has suffered from trying to live up the rep of his father, who was a songwriting genius. It can't have been easy for him. For what its worth I always thought Hank Jnr's records were pretty damn good. being a good musician doesn't stop you being a dope - as my friends often say about me.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 12:28 AM

Ron Davies: "Do you ever research anything before blurting out your wonderful contributions?   Hank Williams, Sr. and smack involved in his death? Evidence please."

Well, morphine and alcohol.....I had a best friend, when I was in elementary school, who's father died in the mid 50's....the dad was Hank's drummer for a while. The mother, and family tells a different story that the 'cleaned up' fan accounts.
For what it's worth.

GfS

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 12:20 AM

Does anyone else recall a somewhat similar flap over the Dixie Chicks a while back?

Simlar bilge, same smell, same total lack of interest for most.

I just hope Hank Jr doesn't use the same method - posing naked for a magazine cover - that got the Chicks back into working until the smell wore off.

Ho Hum.

John

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 11 - 12:03 AM

I should have gotten that - I picked it up off of the photo that came up in the search. So many mistakes out there all end up in relatively the same place. :-/

SRS

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 11:55 PM

Guest fleeing from sanity---

Do you ever research anything before blurting out your wonderful contributions?   Hank Williams, Sr. and smack involved in his death? Evidence please.

We'll go into the actual facts later, if no one else sets you straight in the meantime.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 11:39 PM

OHHHH...jeez...I get it....at least he croaked in the back seat of a Caddy!

GfS

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 11:26 PM

LOL.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 11:22 PM

Yeah, brucie... The guy makes million$$$ every year yet has to throw that red meat to the folks who buy his records??? Like I have always said, rednecks ain't right...

B~

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 11:16 PM

Bobert: "Bye, Hank, Jr... Your daddy had more class..."

Yeah, dying of an overdose of smack showed great class, eh?

GfS

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 10:53 PM

Knew too many people in the west who were working cowboys/girls to have much respect for some guitar player who wears a cowboy hat on stage to say, hey, I'm country. What surprises me most is that while the people I knew kicked the stuff off their boots, this guy has it coming out his mouth. Yeah. Impressive.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 09:22 PM

What-Me-Worry??? Hey, Alfred E. Newman is da' man!!! I got a statute of him right here next to my pudder and an unopened puppet of him... Plus, I still pick up a Mad magazine now and then...

B~

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: frogprince
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 09:16 PM

The last time I happened to catch a glimpse of Jr., I was channel surfing and hit the moment when he was on stage with Sarah Palin, bellowing "Now we're going to sing that song that Barack Obama hates, The Star Spangled Banner". Not much way you could parody something like that.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 09:12 PM

That's Alfred E. Neuman, not P., and not Newman.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 08:30 PM

Couldn't agree more Bobertz! Hank Junior wrote one great song though..............It was very personal to him but I thought it applied itself to many children of legendary parents. I used a few excerpts from it for an article in a racing mag a few years ago on Dale Earhhardt Jr.


THE LIVING PROOF.....Hank Williams Jr.

I'm gonna quit singin' all these sad songs
'Cause I can't stand the pain
Oh, the life I sing about now
And the one I live is the same

When I sing them old songs of daddy's
Seems like every one comes true
Lord, please help me
Do I have to be the living proof

Why just the other night after the show
An old drunk came up to me
He says "You ain't as good as your daddy, boy
And you never will be"

Then a young girl in old blue jeans
Says, "I'm your biggest fan"
It's a good thing I was born Gemini
'Cause I'm living for more than one man

Remember Jimmie and Hank and Johnny
They were in the summer of life
When you called them away, Lord
I don't wanna pay that price

Don't let my son ever touch a guitar
May he never sing the blues
Let him be free
Don't make him be more living proof

I don't wanna be a legend
I just wanna be a man
But Lord, You know sometimes
I've needed a helpin' hand

And it ain't been so easy lately
I've had to go it all alone
But I've always had anything
I ever wanted, except a home

I'm gonna quit singin' all them sad songs
'Cause I can't stand the pain
Oh, the life I sang to you about
And the one I live is the same

Yes, I've sang those old songs of daddy's
And now it seems they all come true
Lord, please help me
Do I have to be the living proof

Lord, please help me
I don't wanna be the living proof

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 08:22 PM

Hands up all those who really care what Hank Williams Jr. thinks, says or does

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 08:19 PM

Hank Williams Jr.'s explanation of how he came to make the "dumb statement" in the first place is almost as offensive as the statement itself.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 08:14 PM

Hank Williams, Jr. is a redneck... And he's proud of being a redneck... It's part of his persona... Problem with Hank, Jr. is that he surrounds himself with other rednecks and they feed off each other ignorance and prejudices... I know lots of folks just like Hank, Jr...

I hope that they don't let him return to Monday Night Football ever...

BTW, one thing about rednecks is that they have convinced themselves that the stuff they do well are things that non-rednecks can't do... Like fishin' an' huntin' and drinkin' an' shootin' guns... Problem with their narrow minds is that they are generalizing... They don't know shit about what non-rednecks can or cannot do... F'n morons and proud to be morons!!!

Bye, Hank, Jr... Your daddy had more class...

B~

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 08:06 PM

Sounds like a Win-Win to me which is what I thought this morning when I first heard about it. The beauty of rights comes home to all. Hank can say whatever ta' hell he wants (as long as it ain't treasonous) and ABC/ESPN can shitcan his ass if they so please! Works for me. Go Bama.................


Spaw

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 08:02 PM

Comparing someone to Hitler is on a different dimension from comparing someone to Moe of the Three Stooges or Alfred P. Newman (Mad Magazine) as was done with Dubya.

I don't like Hank Williams, Jr. well enough to listen to the explanation he offers - I'll just say that I think the network is within their rights to stop using a piece of the artist makes a statement like that. Just like I think the artist has the right to pull their piece away from a politician who uses it in a campaign if the artist doesn't approve. Goes both ways.

SRS

Subject: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 07:00 PM

So Hank Williams Jr compares Barak Obama to Hitler. Then his song is dropped from Monday Night Football as the opening song. Censorship? Or a wise move by the network? He has the right to make any comparison he wants - but the network still has the right to say they don't want to be associated with his viewpoints. What do you think?


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