Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:10 PM

Hey...if I have to justify myself...and that is a VERY BIG IF you don't like it gnu, you can do one of two things...don't read OR do something about it..Your choice. That's democracy for you...choice...Oh and in the end who REALLY cares what Hank Williams Jr thinks? He is a redneck, BUT he is entitled to his opinion, democracy at work, again.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 05:41 PM

Don't leave out the One True Definition of TRADITIONAL English Folk Music. That one's always good for about 500 posts.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 05:28 PM

Just a theory:

Most long Mudcat threads degrade into monologues on god and religion, on hitler related topics,on USA politics, on a conspiracy of some type, or on monkeys and weiner dogs.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: gnu
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 04:38 PM

Here's what I agree with.... start a new thread if you cannot stay on topic. A bit of thread drift is fine... adds to the thread sometimes... but this is ridiculous. Ya wanna talk off topic sd infinitum... start another thread. This is becoming rude as a waste of readers' time.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 04:33 PM

you don't agree with his view point, John P, is that why he's a troll?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 02:30 PM

There are worse things than being dead,like being confined in small space with an evangelical christian.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: John P
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 02:17 PM

Hey folks, on this subject Ron Davies is a stupid troll. Please stop feeding it.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 12:38 PM

I used that as an illustration, Ron, not to either confir or deny...I actually thought about putting up the other side of the arguement, I still may...oh and Marx...in my reading he was more ambivelant about religion than anything Vladimir Lenin was, however, highly critical of religion, saying in his book Religion

" Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism"

The famous so-called Marx quote about religion being the opium of the people actually originated with the Marquis da Sade

and here's the quote in context, what Marx actually said

"Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man—state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion. Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."

read into that whatever you want.....because I know you will!

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:10 AM

How 'bout them Yankees?

PS to Simple: You still haven't addressed your statement that:

atheists have been responsible for more deaths than anything else in human history.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:56 AM

"God-substitute"

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:54 AM

I've also told you why atheism has been by far the worst thing ever for humanity:   it makes it easy for the leader to put himself forward as a God-substiute.   Which all 3 of the above tyrants did.

Yes, I know Hitler was not Communist.   Duh.

But it is of more than passing interest, for instance, to note that some of the propaganda techniques used in the 3rd Reich to discredit religion are exactly those used by Mudcat atheists.

No more time now. More evidence later if you'd like.

Have fun, everybody.   I know you will.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:39 AM

"don't realize"

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:38 AM

"inside them'.   Sorry, that's drivel.    If you don'r realize for instance that stamping out religion is an integral part of Communism, you are in deeper denial than I thought.

Try "opium of the masses" for starters.   Now, the first question on your pop quiz is:   was Marx in favor of religion or against it?

Duh.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:25 AM

As I've said more than once, atheism is by far the worst thing to ever happen to humanity.

QED

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:20 AM

"back up his bombast" .   You were saying?   

Thanks for clinching my case.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 11:46 PM

Just How Many People Has Religion Killed?
Kirk Durston, National Director, New Scholars Society

A popular urban legend that I've often heard is that religion has killed more people than anything else, so the world would be a lot more peaceful place were it not for religion.
The top three largest examples are thought to be the Crusades of the Middle Ages, the Spanish Inquisition, and the burning of witches. Scholars estimate that the Crusades of
the middle ages cost from 58,000 to 133,000 lives. The most realistic figure for the Spanish Inquisition puts the total killed from AD1480 to AD1808 at up to 31,912.
Finally, records indicate that the number of witches killed may be over 30,000. Some argue that records don't tell everything and suggest that maybe even 100,000 were killed.
These three events, totaling over 264,000 killed, are thought to be the largest atrocities perpetrated by one or another form of Christendom.

According to University of Hawaii political scientist Rudolph J. Rummel, the total number killed in all of human history is estimated to be about 284,638,000. Of that number, 151,491,000 were killed during the past 100 years. The single largest killer in all of human history is, by far, atheistic
Communism with a total of 110,000,000 … over 1/3 of all people ever killed! If we add to that number just two other regimes where religion of any sort was strongly discouraged, Nazi Germany and Nationalist China, the number rises to 141,160,000.
Almost 50% of all the killings in human history were committed in the past 100 years by regimes that either actively promoted atheism or strongly discouraged religion.

source: (blue clicky not working at this end)

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 10:16 PM

So somebody brought this thread up again.    Fine.   None dare call it treason or thread creep (gallop) or something similar.

OK, Greg F or anybody else:   

We'll take this step by step, since some atheists seem to be rather slow.

Does anybody deny that Hitler, Stalin and Mao were together responsible for more deaths than anybody else in the history of the world? The truth of this is obvious to anybody who lifts a finger to do any research whatsoever.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 12:25 PM

Damn! It should finish.......

and Hernando Cortez, who were religious.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 12:15 PM

Look at it this way Ron.

You have an obvious dislike and distrust of atheists.

If you suddenly found yourself in absolute control of Europe and most of Russia, what kind of treatment would atheists get?

You probably wouldn't want to employ them, you might make them second class citizens, but slaughter them?..........NO!

You don't possess that peculiar deviation which would permit that.

Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot did, but it had nothing to do with not being religious. It was inside them, as it was with Torquemada, Pope Alexander VI, aka Rodrigo Borgia, and

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 12:07 PM

"He is unfortunate because his father's talent was not extended to him."

it jumped a generation and went to the grandson

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 11:56 AM

""Yet for some reason they object to being called on to defend the conduct of some prominent atheists:   Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.""

It can't be defended Ron, but that's not the argument you little old non sequitur you.

They would have done the things they did, whether they were atheists, religious nuts, or believers in the cosmic pixie.

They did what they did because they were power hungry maniacs, and those tend to come in all shapes, sizes and beliefs.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 11:39 AM

Hank Williams Jr. is an alcoholic with little sense. You can't expect anything of value from what he has to say. Don't censor him but let him show the public who he really is.
He is unfortunate because his father's talent was not extended to him.

Interesting discussion, talent is usually inherited from the mother rather than the father.

A Mendelian view of genetics could be taken from this.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 06:04 PM

Oh I have already, not that it matters

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler
Date: 23 Oct 11 - 05:54 PM

Children! Children!

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: gnu
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 10:18 PM

You just keep diggin there bud... you'll get to the bottom on EVERYones's list if you haven't already. Idiot. Seriously, why do you have to be such an asshole? Yer mama drop you on yer head?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 09:04 PM

It has???? LOL!!! Talk about your unsubstantiated bombast!

and the man whose alter ego is a chimp...answers in kind...LOL

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: gnu
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 08:33 PM

Gee... I haven't seen MNF since the flap... who are they going with?

Green Day had a tune that would be great but I can't find it on YT.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 06:40 PM

So... who will replace Hank? I am thinkin a twist on this tune.

It's certainly redneck country rock to qualify.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 06:26 PM

It has???? LOL!!! Talk about your unsubstantiated bombast!

How on Earth would you have any way of knowing or calculating that, BTNG? You're just expressing a virulent and negative prejudice of yours about a whole large section of humanity, a hostile opinion that happens to suit YOU, and that's all. It gives you someone to feel "better than". All those Christians out there have been somehow shoehorned into your personal anxiety closet...one that is probably stuffed so full of similar negative crap at this point that it's about ready to burst.

If you were a Christian yourself, you'd be one of the very ones you're complaining about, in all probability, because their error is that they do to others what you are doing to them.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: BTNG
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 04:18 PM

Ron's not very good when it comes to producing facts and figures to back up his bombasts....what part of that don't you understand Ronnie boy?

Oh and Christianity has produced more self-righteous, sanctimonious hypocrites than any other organisation.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 04:06 PM

A good question is was Hitler a closet vegetarian?

""If Hitler was really a vegetarian, he was a sausage-eating one.""

""And of course, even if Hitler had been vegetarian, likely every single other mass-murderer in history was not. If you were keeping score, that would be, Vegetarian Mass Murderers: 1, and then Non-Vegetarian Mass Murderers: 100's.""

Hitler was not a vegetarian

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 02:52 PM

Not fair! Almost all Germans have wiener dogs. It's the most popular breed in Germany...beloved by all.

Actually, Hitler had an Alsatian (a German Shepherd dog) named Blondie. He was reportedly very fond of the dog and treated it kindly and praised it a great deal...so much so that Eva Braun grew rather jealous of Blondie. This often happens. I've seen family members really bothered by the fact that "Mom (or Dad) (or my husband) loves the dog more than they love me".

It is, however, much easier to love a dog...because the dog's love is so unconditional. It still loves you even if you're having a bad hair day, you don't wash, and you didn't remember to pay the phone bill. It's not that easy with people. They're a lot more critical than dogs are.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 02:45 PM

Yes he did but he made wiener schnitzel with them. As is rumoured, he wasn't a very nice man.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 02:41 PM

It's just that Hitler did so many awful things that it's easy to assume that golf was one of them.

Didn't he have a weiner dog too?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 02:35 PM

Insane, sir??? "Insane"???? You go too far! I take umbrage at that. The claim that Hitler never played golf could perhaps be called "a trifle venturesome", "a tad bold", "somewhat overweening" or even "extravagant"....but hardly insane. Get a grip on yourself.

;-)

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 02:23 PM

Hitler didn't play golf or you don't THINK he played golf?? Don't you have any proof for these insane claims? We need proof.And don't photoshop it please.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 02:18 PM

I don't think Hitler played golf. But I do seem to recall an old newsreel which showed him and Eva Braun and various other members of the inner Nazi circle merrily playing croquet on the outdoor grounds of some lovely mansion. Not that it really matters.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 02:09 PM

Hitler didn't play golf? Not even mini-putt? C'mon... everyone likes mini-putt.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 02:05 PM

The 3 stooges had three members not two

Or four - Larry, Curly, Moe and Shemp (Only three at a time, but still).

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 12:22 PM

Hank remarks do not rank as a remark. It was sound and fury signifying nothing.

1 The 3 stooges had three members not two.

2 Hitler did not play golf.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 12:13 PM

Now this REALLY hurts - Hogan has lots more credibility than Hank, Jr.
***

Hulk Hogan tells Fox News he recants former support for Obama
By Chris Moody   14 Oct 2011 (AP)

Fake wrestling champion Hulk Hogan supported President Obama in 2008, but alas, the honeymoon is over, Hogan said Thursday during a Fox News appearance.

"I was a big Obama supporter and kinda, like, believed everything he said he was gonna do," Hogan said on Fox and Friends. "But now that nothing's happened..."

Hogan said he was still sore about the president using his theme song, "I Am a Real American" when Obama addressed the 2011 White House Correspondents' Dinner shortly after he released his long form birth certificate earlier this year.

"I kinda was a little upset that he didn't ask me permission to use my music," Hogan added. "But the change of heart is that I think I should be president. I know nothing about politics. I think a flat tax across the board would straighten everything out."

When told that the Hulk's idea sounds something like presidential candidate Herman Cain's "9-9-9 Plan," he responded, "Wow, yeah well he's not a real American like I am. . . . I've been around, people know me, they know everything about me, they know I'm for real, they know I know nothing about politics. I'll just make decisions on what's right or wrong."

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 09:00 AM

I guess its not so simple, Simple, after all.

that Hitler, Stalin and Mao were responsible for more deaths than anyone else in history

According to your statement these three individuals were responsible for more deaths than the combined deaths caused by all other human beings since the creation of the world.

Documentation? Evidence? If its so plain, you should be able to provide it.

HOWEVER, the Terrible Troika is not the point under discussion, despite your dodging & weaving. Your statement was - one more time, since you apparently have difficulty reading- was:

atheists have been responsible for more deaths than anything else in human history.

Look, it's simple, Simple. Either you can substantiate - with evidence, not bombast - that line of absolute bullshit, or you cannot.

By the way YOU named YOURSELF the "Simple Seeker" - & I prefer the original.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 08:46 AM

It's very plain--to anyone who can read (perhaps that excludes some atheists)-- that Hitler, Stalin and Mao were responsible for more deaths than anyone else in history.    All three were atheists.   What part of this do you not understand?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 10:05 PM

Your initial idiocy, oh Simple Seeker After Truth, and the point under discussion, has nowt to do with your Unholy Triumverate, and less to do with whether I approve or disapprove of their actions.

Your statement was, and I quote:

atheists have been responsible for more deaths than anything else in human history.

Look, it's simple, Simple. Either you can substantiate - with evidence, not bombast - that line of absolute bullshit, or you cannot.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 09:52 PM

Well. well.   

That certainly is an unanswerable argument, full of the calm reasoning and logic you are known for and full of evidence buttressing your case.   I would have expected no less from you,    And taking up your accustomed place in the gutter too.   Situation normal.






Some Mudcat atheists, some of the usual suspects being found on this thread, have no problem making frequent aggressive arguments on religion and the religious. Yet for some reason they object to being called on to defend the conduct of some prominent atheists:   Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.

Gee, I wonder why that is.

And I am neither religious nor atheist. Just a modest-- (I prefer that to "simple"---I'm sure you won't mind) seeker after truth.

Look, it's simple. Either you can defend the conduct of these three--together responsible for more deaths than anyone else in history-- or you cannot,.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:59 AM

atheists have been responsible for more deaths than anything else in human history.


Its more than a whopper, Oh Simple Seeker After Truth, its complete and utter bullshit.

Where's the "evidence" and "references" you demand of everyone else for your idiotic & nonsensical statement?

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 09:30 AM

"a whopper".    Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, atheists all--look for instance at how Hitler treated any Christians who were not willing to defer to the state in all things--, were responsible for more deaths than anyone else in human history. What part of that do you not understand?

Anybody who does not understand that people should be judged by their actions, not their words, should start thinking.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 07:25 PM

Yup, gn-ze... That's about it...

Great tune... Dumb Hank...

B~

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 06:36 PM

And his tune for Monday Night Football was excellent. It was a tune. A song. It got pulled. It was not censorship. He had every right to say what he said. He said it. We heard it. He got fired. Fuck him... he's an idiot.

Argue all you want about WHAT kind of an idiot he is but he got fired. I think "idiot" more or less sums it up.

Nonetheless, a great tune for Monday Night Football. Said it before, I am gonna miss it.

Subject: RE: Hank Jr's Hitler remark - censorship?
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 04:59 PM

This is what I don't get... Fox ain't exactly a news station... It's a right wing propaganda channel... Right... So what's the big deal here??? I mean, is anyone all that surprised at what Hank, Jr. said??? Hey, he's a redneck... And he's proud to be a redneck... The big question here is why Monday Night football ever4 thought it needed a redneck to pitch their product??? Especially with as many black players that are in the NFL...

I don't put this on Hank, Jr. as much as I put it on the producers who hired him... He is what he is, gol dang it...

B~