BS: Pres Obama is making the case!

Subject: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 10:21 PM

Candy is doing well.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Beer
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 10:35 PM

I give Obama the lead but Romney is close as well. Very interesting. last question being introduced right now.
Adrien

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 11:43 PM

"Can you say that louder Candy!"

Slam dunk.

Egg on the Mitten face.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 12:18 AM

At least he finally got in the 47%.    That's the key---though it's late for it.

Keep hammering away at the fact that Romney has written off about half the electorate--considers them leeches who will do nothing to help themselves and constantly whine for the government to help them.


He's said it was wrong.    Too bad----he was at ease in that group when he said that, so he spoke his true mind.

And that's what we can expect if he's elected.

If he says he didn't mean it, the answer is:   "Oh, so you tell one thing to one group and another to another group.   So, we can never believe anything you say. Therefore we can't trust you.   Not exactly a good reason to vote for you."

You want to rattle Romney and get him to turn petulant and pathetic (therefore the opposite of presidential)--and it can be done--it's been done before.    Hope Obama gets the 47% in in the last debate.   More than once.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Amos
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 01:17 AM

Bygeneral consensus, Barry is taking home the gold on this one.

Romney was too meretricious and curmudgeonly and smarmy, IMHO. A lot of hot air used as a straw man to represent judgment he doesn't have.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 04:18 AM

So in 2008 the great hope of American liberals was that somehow Obama would win. In 2012 the great hope of American liberals is that somehow Romney will lose. Sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 04:22 AM

The UK press seems to be calling it for Obama by a large margin.

What is a "binder" of women? It sounds to me like a reference based on the Romney view of them as vassals.

And why are crybaby Republicans wailing that the moderator called Romney on a lie (oh, gosh, another one)? Isn't that part of what moderators are for? If Romney does not want to be caught lying, why doesn't he stop?

Shame that Obama did not go bigger on women's rights and 47%.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: gnu
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:14 AM

"the moderator called Romney on a lie"

THAT was priceless.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:44 AM

IMO, I did not like the format, but Romney seemed too eager to be liked and seem as credible. He was too eager to hog the time-and it looked bad on him. While it is a difficult task, I feel a moderator could do a better job of cutting these folks off-possibly with a "microphone kill switch"

Outside of that, I found it kinda boring (same old-same old).I actually enjoyed the Biden-Ryan debate more, as a spectator.

I suspect many folks would prefer other candididates on both sides-but, will have to deal with the best of what they got.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 08:25 AM

I especially liked the part where Romney tried to explain why letting bankruptcy run its course was a better strategy for helping revive General Motors and Chrysler than the Obama Administration response. I don't think autoworkers in the Midwest will buy his argument. However, I give Romney credit for sticking to his position in this case. Let the (buffalo?) chips fall as they may.

I also think that Obama made an excellent tactical decision to save the "47%" remark for his closing statement, leaving no room for response from Romney. True, that tactical decision was hard-hearted but Romney deserves no mercy. His claim that his statement was "poorly worded" is ridiculous. Just review the video clip and it is clear that it was exactly what he wanted to say to his very rich donors.

And undecided voters could only be appalled at Romney's floundering around on the terrorist attack on our consulate in Libya. Romney should have pressed his point that the initial story that there had been a prior public demonstration against the infamous video was proven untrue, rather than claim erroneously that Obama had not described the attack as "an act of terror." Romney was caught flatfooted, corrected by the moderator with regard to the transcript of Obama's remarks the day after the attack, and then sliced and diced by Obama. Too bad! And Obama did assume ultimate responsibility for any lapses in security precautions for the consulate, but like Secretary of State Clinton emphasized his commitment to complete the investigation of what went wrong. This whole question is a blatant attempt by Republicans to blow up an unfortunate international incident into an attack on four years of progress with regard to restoring our status as international peacemakers rather than George W. Bush Administration war mongers. I think the President made that point well.

Romney certainly didn't look afterwards as if he thought he had won the debate, fleeing the hall within minutes of the final bell. But I'll give him credit for being still able to run at that point.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 08:47 AM

The thoroughly unscientific online instapolls all have Obama winning. Big deal.

No wait, it *is* a big deal because even the FOX News poll has Obama the winner by 70-30!

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:11 AM

Candy Crowley: Romney Was Actually "Right in the Main" On Libya

CANDY CROWLEY, debate moderator, after the debate:
You know, again, I heard the president's speech at the time. I sort of reread a lot of stuff about Libya because I knew we'd probably get a Libya question, so I kind of wanted to be up on it. So we knew that the president had said, you know, 'these acts of terror won't stand,' or whatever the whole quote was.

I think actually, you know, because right after that, I did turn to Romney and said you were totally correct but they spent two weeks telling us that this was about a tape and that there was this riot outside of the Benghazi consulate, which there wasn't. So he was right in the main, I just think that he picked the wrong word.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:18 AM

He was "right on the main." More Pro-Romney bias.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:19 AM

Whaaaaaa

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:25 AM

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
    Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' "
    "But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:31 AM

okay, if you are going to delete the message that my whaa refers to, mine should go too. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:49 AM

Hey SawZall - do it one more time, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 01:14 PM

The Committee for Presidential Debates has corrupted the proceeding when the League of Women Voters stepped down in disgust, making way for "softball" questions and stringent rules against third party candidates as well as stricter rules agreed upon by the candidates in advance.

There were so many items left out of the discussion:
1. Drones
2. Syria
3. Palestinians
4. Increasing prisons over schools
5. Overseas contractors in lieu of soldiers
6. Building nuke weapons
7. Dangers of "fracking"
8. The oxymoronic "clean coal"
9. Lobbies dictating government policies
10. Ayn Randian influence on Ryan (as well as Greenspan)
11. The corruption of main stream media (bought and sold)
12. Citizens United ruling by SCOTUS
    and others.

The debate was all show business and comparatively little substance.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 01:58 PM

I was fascinated by the body language of the audience. So many sidelong glances and tightly folded arms at Romney. They did not appear a happy crowd. And they gasped in unison when Romney snapped "You'll get your turn..."
Binders of women is a classic. Saw a photo on line of a sweaty Patrick Swayze exclaiming "Nobody puts Baby in a binder!"
heh heh

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: gnu
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 02:51 PM

"microphone kill switch"

NO way either debater would agree to such terms.

"There were so many items left out of the discussion: "

The debate was 90 miniutes, not 900.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 02:57 PM

Chongo would be happy to talk for 900 minutes. In fact, he's done so on a number of occasions...usually while sitting at the bar. I believe he could talk either Romney or Obama into insensibility without even once repeating himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 04:50 PM

Yes, I was prepared to watch the debate for another 90 minutes. I had another quart of ale in the fridge.

When is Obama going to explain that Romney's experience managing leveraged buy-outs for Bain Capital, basically milking assets dry and reselling them (whereupon they go belly up), doesn't qualify him for managing the economic recovery of this country? Is Romney planning to mortgage our country further and then resell it to China, while pocketing the profits?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 05:08 PM

"microphone kill switch"-""NO way either debater would agree to such terms"".


Then Candy and Co. could have said,
"ok, if they don't agree, fuck 'em then"

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 05:44 PM

I think she came close a couple of times with Romney to saying sit down and shut up.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: pdq
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 05:50 PM

I suspect people who think The Bammer won Debate 2 are personal friends with H.R. Pufnstuf.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:01 PM

Candy Crowley is my new hero. She did, in effect, tell Romney to sit down and shut up--with class. She also pulled in the reigns on Obama, but he was a bit more apt to listen to here.

I have to admit, I listened off and on. I really wanted to reach through the TV and give Romney a "SNAP OUT OF IT!" smack on the back of his neck. I think it's just as well he had the opportunity to go on. The "enough rope" phenomenon.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:10 PM

Romney's experience in business would rather imply that he'd set out to asset strip the USA in the hope that what was left would be profitable. Which bits would that be?

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:19 PM

Yeah, McGrath of Harlow, I think that he thinks that he can lay off the unproductive voters.

>>I suspect people who think The Bammer won Debate 2 are personal friends with H.R. Pufnstuf. I suspect people who think The Bammer won Debate 2 are personal friends with H.R. Pufnstuf. <<

Here's how I see it. I think that Romney lost the first one by bullying the moderator, being over aggressive and rude, acting frantic and changing so many of his positions.

The press rewarded that behavior. So the President had to adapt.

So Obama pushed back without bullying the moderator, by being slightly less aggressive and rude than Romney, Firm but not frantic without changing his positions. The press has rewarded the President for that.

Winning and losing is not the issue. Getting the job done with the electorate is what counts.

Winning or losing should not

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:27 PM

""Romney's experience in business would rather imply that he'd set out to asset strip the USA in the hope that what was left would be profitable. Which bits would that be?""

'S easy MGoH! The 1%, because Romney is the moron who would believe that Capital can survive without Labour.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:34 PM

Romney puts his Capital where Labour is cheapest. China.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:34 PM

""I think she came close a couple of times with Romney to saying sit down and shut up.""


If Candy had have said ""sit down and shut to fuck up"" - IMO, she would have gotten a lot more respect than political folkies who try and hog the debate time.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:54 PM

One of the problems with debates is that someone wins or loses. Fuck that. I am interested in what's being meant, not what's being show cased.

In short, answer the question in a few hundred words. If you can't, you're likely bullshitting.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:59 PM

Sheeit.

That was me.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:59 PM

Though Obama seemed to get a tad riled up at times it seemed like Romney's temperament was right at the edge of running on the ragged edge... This is going to hurt him over the next week in the polls... He's coming off as a pissed off used car salesman...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 07:02 PM

""He's coming off as a pissed off used car salesman""

Does that not give one a signal that under big pressure, a situation leaders often face, that he may act irrationally?

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: pdq
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 07:07 PM

Romney won all the debates because the public got to see him as a real person, not the evil straw character that the DNC truth-twisters have been able to portray him as.

Romney was cool, calm, articulate and Presidential.

The Bammer stuttered, stammered, said "uh" about 42 dozen times and looked a bit confused.

The Bammer never really answered questions. He took a question, moved the subject over to the nearsest one in his pre-written program, and proceeded to read the statement he had rehearsed.

Romney even won the VP debate because Ryan looked intelligent, calm and in charge, which made Romney look wise for choosing him.

Biden acted like a 70 year old bar fly with 50 years of alcohol-induced brain damage.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 07:13 PM

...so I'm seeing pdq's post as proof there' an alternate reality bleeding through to this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: pdq
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 07:38 PM

As of today, Romney is up 51% to 45% over The Bammer among "likely voters" according to Gallup.

Dems are getteing out of all the states south of DC. I said weeks ago the FLA through VA were Romney's. Told ya so.

Dems will try to fight in Nevada, Iowa, Ohio and New Hampshire. Just 4 states from now until NOV 6.

As goes Ohio goes the election, although Romney can win without Ohio (but not likely).

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 08:12 PM

"Dems are getteing out of all the states south of DC. I said weeks ago the FLA through VA were Romney's. Told ya so."

And yet in the past hour I have seen three ads for The President 0 for Romney.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 08:21 PM

Well it's no secret that I believe Romney will be elected as President come November 6.

Thanks completely to President Obama.

Candy (as hard as she tried to make Romney look bad)really earned my respect when she came back and admitted that she was wrong in what she said.

Gallup, which has completely leaned heavily Obama has Romney with a 6 point lead among likely voters.

The focus groups after each debate by each network (not only Fox) has leaned and is still leaning Romney. Each network has put together groups of undecideds and they continuously lean Romney.

Ask yourself Why....

The continued failed policies of the current administration. What Romney is proposing just makes sense, economically!!

And what the hell was Obama talking about when he stated that the price of gas being $1.86 when he took office is because the economy was weak? Using that line of thinking then gas should be $10.00 a gallon when times are great. That should really help the economy!!
He showed right there that he has no clue whatsoever.

He's just a has been trying and re-trying the failed policies of the Carter administration....

No wonder all the democratic attack dogs look pathetic when trying to defend Obama's policies...

They just can't keep their lies straight...


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 08:30 PM

Hubby wakes up from his coma and weighs in on subject he clearly isn't following...

Try this, Hubby...

Tax break for the rich + deregulation = depression/8,000,000 jobs lost...

Yer guy's plan??? Tax breaks for the rich and deregulation...

End of rational discussion...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 08:34 PM

People who claim that Crowley came back and "admitted she was wrong" are not listening to what actually transpired. They are merely quoting each other.

In actuality, Candy Crowley interjected that the President had claimed in the Rose Garden, the day after the Benghazi incident, that an act of terrorism had occurred. She then went on to say (paraphrased) that it was true, as Governor Romney had charged, that for the next two weeks or so the Administration kept talking about the video having been the spark that brought about the attack but that they had all along said that they were pursuing more information.

In the post debate section she said although the President had not specifically laid the attack to terrorism, he had most definitely brought up the subject.

I like Crowley but I suspect that she should not have countered Romney's charge during the debate- it made her appear to be one of the debaters rather than the moderator.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 08:48 PM

Yeah, Crowley was correct... Obama was correct... Romney and his worshipers are wrong...

Boohoo, Romnesiacs... Here, have a hankie...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:18 PM

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Stoll-Romney-Ryan-Taxes/2012/10/16/id/460249

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:20 PM

Republican Philosophy = Cover lies with bigger ones and cover those lies with even bigger ones and cover those lies with...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 10:49 PM

Liberal Philosophy = Call everything you don't like a lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 10:57 PM

Sawz Philosophy = Just lie lots and often...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 11:05 PM

Romney stated Obama never called the attack in Benghazi "an act of terror".

The closest Obama ever came to that phrase was "this terrible act" and "No acts of terror". He never used the word "terrorism" or "terrorist". Instead he used the term "killers".


Rose Garden

10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens's body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.

END

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: gnu
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 11:13 PM

Ebbie... I agree but I can't cite her for it. The man lied - she had personal knowledge that he did and she just reacted to the transgression "in the moment". Yes, it was wrong but I can't say I wouldn't have reacted similarly (with different wording in my case) even under such austere circumstances.

All you Romnians amaze me. He said he would back China up on policy and "fair play" and... did he really say he would enforce TARIFFS? Tarrifs? On a country that holds SO much of the US debt and supplies so many goods to the USA? He is gonna tell them to, essentailly, fuck off? That's pretty tough talk from a punk to his landlord. I wonder what that kinda crap that kinda crap will lead toward?

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 11:15 PM

Yeah. I noticed that the President smiled at Romney's tough talk regarding China.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 11:24 PM

Romney's story about calling for a study to find the "binders full of women"...turns out it was a lie.
Go Google it.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 11:53 PM

That's what Obama did... He bought a "beater"


____Truth

____Lie

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 12:34 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/17/romney-binder-of-women-claim-questions?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_cam


I want to see his pants catch fire.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 04:01 AM

In Sawsaw's link, I seems Pres Obama is choosing his words carefully.

If this had been presented as a "terrorist" attack by the White House, something would have to be done in retaliation, and these people are supposed to be our allies in the fight for "freedom and democracy".....Ha fucking ha!

The West and many here, celebrated the fall of one "tyrant", we have in fact created and empowered hundreds of thousands of homocidal lunatics

Once again, as our own society disintegrates(do you really need to be given examples)....we do everything to hasten our demise.

I think our system stinks, and our society corrupt and debauched, i won't be sorry to see the end of it; but one would think you "liberal" stargazers would would start to see the danger signs?

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 07:16 AM

John Pilger....2008.



"Obama's victory is historic, not only because he will be the first black president, but because he tapped in to a great popular movement among America's minorities and the young outside the Democratic Party. In 2006 Latinos, the country's largest minority, took America by surprise when they poured into the cities to protest against George W Bush's draconian immigration laws. They chanted: "Si, se puede!" ("Yes we can!"), a slogan Obama later claimed as his own. His secretary for homeland security is Janet Napolitano who, as governor of Arizona, made her name by stoking hostility against Latino immigrants. She has militarized her state's border with Mexico and supported the building of a hideous wall, similar to the one dividing occupied Palestine.

On election eve, reported Gallup, most Obama supporters were "engaged" but "deeply pessimistic about the country's future direction." My guess is that many people knew what was coming, but hoped for the best. In exploiting this hope, Obama has all but neutered the anti-war movement that is historically allied to the Democrats. After all, who can argue with the symbol of the first black president in this country of slavery, regardless of whether he is a warmonger? As Noam Chomsky has pointed out, Obama is a "brand" like none other, having won the highest advertising campaign accolade and attracted unprecedented sums of money. The brand will sell for a while. He will close Guantanamo Bay, whose inmates represent less than one percent of America's 27,000 "ghost prisoners." He will continue to make stirring, platitudinous speeches, but the tears will dry as people understand that President Obama is the latest manager of an ideological machine that transcends electoral power. Asked what his supporters would do when reality intruded, Stephen Walt, an Obama adviser, said: "They have nowhere else to go.""

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 08:31 AM

Romney is down to the "Trust me" stage of the campaign as he is either unable or unwilling to give the American people the specifics of any thing he has promised to do...

"I know how to balance the budget", "I ran a company and I know how to....", "Blah, blah, blah"...

Where's the beef??? No policy positions, just fluff and self promotion and proclamation...

"Just trust me"...

No specifics, no, thanks...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 09:18 AM

Sawsaw-

"No acts of terror"???

And that was exactly the phrase that Romney repeatedly denied that Obama said in his Rose Garden speech the morning after the attack. What's your beef?

Yes, Romney blundered not to go back to challenge what turned out to be an erroneous explanation that a video protest provided cover for the attack. So we should be sorry that your candidate was caught flat-footed. Too bad! I guess his debate prep was inadequate.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 09:33 AM

Yeah, Romney blundered badly... Obama knew it and told him to "carry on" just so that Romney could stuff the other foot in the mouth before fact-check busted him...

BTW... Romney is coming off as a shrill, spoiled, ill-tempered and rude used car salesman... The only thing missing are the white Patton leather shoes...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 09:37 AM

The Media is saying both people were equally rude. Talk about your liberal media bias. The President ignores the rudeness he "loses" the first debate because he is not "passionate" he counters it in the second debate and the blame is equal.

The fix is in from the "liberal" media.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 10:42 AM

Hey Sawzaw-
Please proceed...

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 12:34 PM

Bobert-

"Romney is coming off as a shrill, spoiled, ill-tempered and rude used car salesman..."

You're giving him far too much credit. You forgot "sleazy" and "snake-oil salesman."

You could also mention Romney's mastery of the leveraged buy-out, where he bought up companies, mortgaged them to the hilt, withdrew the money, and then flipped them to other buyers who then went bankrupt. That's Romney's resume for rebuilding our national economy. Give me a break!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 03:26 PM

Say what ya really mean. Now, here's a used car salesman.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 03:36 PM

999

That can't be Romney. The dog was on the hood, not the roof.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 05:06 PM

999-

Now that's salesmanship!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 05:16 PM

Good thing it wasn't a dope sniffin dog Romney had. He'd a been barking incessantly.

Ya know, it does come ta mind that Mitt, with all this shit comin out, ain't all that bright either.

"Government doesn't create jobs." is what he kept saying at the end of the debate, even though it wasn't his time to speak. But, all debate long he kept saying he could create jobs as pres. I know it's a matter of definition but it just seems so childish that he hasn't the ability to... well... speak English (and think) logically and organize his presentation.

I must also say, I felt embarrassed at times for both. Yes, what they did was extremely stressful and "difficult" (even tho it shouldn't REALLY be) but I thought they both could have done a better job, even tho Romney REALLY came off as a

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 06:49 PM

Obama was much much much polite and respectful during the first debate. That may well have cost him the Presidency.


What has this country come to?

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 10:05 AM

Personally, I think it should be a felony offense to speak
of "Winning" a presidential debate. It puts the function
in a sports class, which trivializes the whole thing.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 11:39 AM

Personally, I think it's time for the USA to end the distinction in principle between "felony" and "misdemeanour". The UK did it decades ago in 1967.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 11:42 AM

On the other hand, it does seem to me that the TV debates entrench the sound-bite approach of the unthinking to politics and that perhaps the candidates could submit opposed academic dissertations on aspects of policy to panels of professors who had not decided how to vote, and the marked and commented versions of those dissertations then made available on the internet.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 03:44 PM

President Obama often gets punished for explaining things. The Press likes to cover it as a difference of opinion when he is deliberately misquoted.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 05:17 PM

The so-called "liberal press" has sucked this election...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 05:31 PM

""My father was a writer. You would've liked him. He used to say that artists use lies to tell the truth, while politicians use them to cover the truth up.""


""People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.""

Quotes from
""V for Vendetta""

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 05:55 PM

"Should be" and "is" are so far apart it takes four years to transmit a message between them .... M for Me!

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 05:56 PM

Not being from the USA, I ask a wuestion:

What do the USA people want in a President?

From what I recently observed on the TV and read on the internet and newspapers that what most people want in a President is someonewho does well in a debates and does not tell lies, right?

Well, shit.

It slso seems from post-debate comments that many are "flexible" on the "lies" part.

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Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 07:27 AM

This is in response to Blowowhard Bobert calling me a liar.

Sawz Philosophy = Just lie lots and often...

B~


Hey, Sawz...

Ain't you the guy who is supportin' the guy who doesn't even know how many houses he owns???

The plane??? Snazzin' up and gettin a 30 year old airplane safe to fly not only him but some 100 memebrs of the press corp si a different subject... I know a little about airplanes and they need alot or work from time to time... That's what Obama did... He bought a "beater", refurbrished it the best he could and over a hundred people been flyin' on that sumabich ever since...

Oh, so that is a crime??? Heck, this "beater" was in such bad shape that it even almost crashed once???

But now Obama is the bad guy, Sawz???

Come on, man...

Yer arguments are bcoming tiresome...

B~

Is this the truth?

First of all, I am very rarely wrong!!! No brag, just pure fact!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 08:59 AM

Here in NC the Obama ads have taken on a new feel... He's not attacking Romney as much and talking about dealing with the "fiscal cliff" and a second "stimulus" that involves middle class tax cuts...

Romney's ads continue to be nothing more than shill snake oil salesman sounding pissed off...

The storm is of major concern because there are going to be voting places that are going to out of commission... Going to be a very interesting week on how that will be dealt with...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 11:43 AM

Bobert-

Yes, it's going to be a wild week.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 03:26 AM

"BS: Pres Obama is making the case!"

BS: Embassygate?


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 07:22 AM

Obama made the case yesterday....BIG TIME!

He abandoned campaigning without hesitation to return and deal with the storm situation.

Romney couldn't resist getting in one more love in with his mentally challenged fan club, before following suit.....TOO LATE!

Many Americans will remember who put their welfare first.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 11:43 AM

Ya' think??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 01:13 PM

I don't know any more... The American public is so dumbed down it is not only pathetic but downright worrisome...

Critical thinking is an endangered species...

Nothing that Romney says he will do can possibly be done with the tax plan he has on the table... Only the flat-earth economists say it might work... The real economists say it will add $5T to the deficit and push the economy back into recession...

Ya'll had better hope that if Romney steals this election that you have a Democratic Senate to stop him from destroying America...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 03:36 PM

Gov. Romney told John King of CNN during a primary debate that he would eliminate FEMA (the Federal agency that coordinates aid in times of disaster) and give its powers to the states and to "the private sector."

Today, in answer to the repeated question, "Would you eliminate FEMA?" this great, principled statesman responded with a smile and complete silence as he helped load supplies on a truck.

He sure *looks* like a president though, don't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: gnu
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 04:11 PM

He looks like a pice of trash from my point of view.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 04:45 PM

Make that an ignorant, posturing, bloviating piece of trash, gnu & I'll agree with ya.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 06:01 PM

In the UK we usually wait until our leaders have earned their epithets.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 10:59 AM

""In the UK we usually wait until our leaders have earned their epithets.""

Yeah, sure we do, unless they're on the team we don't vote for.

Get off that high horse Ake, before you fall off and hurt yourself.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 11:30 AM

Meanwhile in New Jersey, President Obama and Gov. Christie are tackling the aftermath of the storm as two concerned LEADERS. Christie says Obama is doing exactly what is needed and he is very grateful... and Obama gave Christie his # for quick access.... Christie had used it 3 times as of last night.

Some will be cynical about BOTH of them, but New Jersey needs what they are doing, no matter what politics is going on.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 11:35 AM

Yeah, maybe Romney would like to explain how private industry would deal with the effects of this storm...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: frogprince
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 11:38 AM

Every once in a while there are fortunate circumstances in which the best political move is actually what needs to be done.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 11:44 AM

I'll be cynical and say that New Jersey is so solidly "blue" that Christie knows he has nothing to lose by telling the truth and acting like a man, not a politician.

But as Bill says, it's not what he might be calculating but what he's doing that counts.

Less cynically, an unscrupulous politician would have watched his words carefully, so as to maintain his standing within his own party. You know, for 2016.

I'm impressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 12:18 PM

Now I'm even more impressed. Fox News asked Christie if he's "ready to show Governor Romney around the disaster area" as well.

Not that Romney has asked.

Christie responded forcefully that at this point he doesn't "give a damn about presidential politics." He has a job to do for the citizens of his state.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/in-wake-of-storm-christie-breaks-from-attacks-to-praise-obama/

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 12:56 PM

Maybe aken meant "epitaphs"...
.....................................

A timely letter in today's Guardian: Given that the consequences of Hurricane Sandy are being dealt with by firefighters, police, transport staff, soldiers and other public sector workers, will the Republicans still quote with approval Ronald Reagan's witticism: "The most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help?'.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:08 PM

> will the Republicans still quote with approval Ronald Reagan's witticism: "The most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help?'.

Yes. Most card-carrying Republicans live elsewhere.

You'll have noticed too that the storm veered past conservative Georgia and the Carolinas and slammed into the liberal northeast, causing greater damage to ultra-liberal New York City than any previous Act of God.

If you see what I'm getting at.

But in a related development, a source favorable to the Syrian government reports that Sandy was generated by Iranian high-tech scientists to teach a lesson to the Great Satan.

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Nov 12 - 12:09 PM

Bobert: "I don't know any more... The American public is so dumbed down it is not only pathetic but downright worrisome..."

Absolutely right!!....Just like people who voted for Obama just because he is black, and counting themselves as real 'liberal progressives', just for doing so(and in doing so proved themselves 'racist', but that's another story). Regardless of his color, race or whatever, he has been a divisive President...BUT, before I bag on him for that..maybe he was supposed to be..by design. Given the choices of 'none and nothing', in reality, McCain and Obama, there wasn't anything to get excited about, other than if you were fooled by the media hype, who turned Obama into something he was not,and, as a matter of FACT, how he has disappointed his base, when they felt the effects of it.....and that my dear Bobert, happens to be a fact!..AND...Romney ain't going to be much better...it will be the Republican's turn for egg on their faces!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Pres Obama is making the case!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Nov 12 - 12:29 PM

Goofus, your blinkered refusal to agree doesn't alter the fact that the reason Obama hasn't achieved is entirely due to Republican determination to put party before the needs and wishes of the American PEOPLE.

If you want to make comments about divisive behaviour, at least point them in the right direction......The RIGHT direction.

Don T.