Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 06:33 AM

She called ANC a terrorist organisation, but did not call Mandela a terrorist.
She was instrumental in getting him released.
He visited her in London to thank her.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 06:59 AM

Blandiver, I watched Glenda the other day, and found myself clapping several times!

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:02 AM

""why is so much money being spent on one prime ministers funeral, how can this be justified., meanwhile the present uk government is enforcing draconian cuts, are we living in cloud cuckoo land""

Given that you live, in point of fact, in a totally unaffected "cloud cuckoo land", I can only attribute the passion of your concerns about the cost to pure malice Dick.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 07:16 AM

I have not made any malicious comments about mrs thatcher
Don, I have relatives that are affected by this, two relatives that need either hospital care, or a carer, money spent on this funeral, means imo less money available for those needing hospital care.
the fact that i live in ireland does not mean i am not entitled to an opinion, you can attribute what you like but your post portrays you in a bad light.
I have not made any personal attacks on mrs thatcher, i have stuck to facts and analysing her politcal and economic record, it is a shame that you have to make malicious remaks about my motives , when you know nothing bout my background or my relatives who require either hospital care or a carer to look after them, you are completely out of order.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,spb at work
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 08:29 AM

Part of the justification must be that prominent births, deaths and marraiges are often used to bury bad news. All this is deflecting attention away from the nasty benefit, worker rights, and access to justice reforms now being implemented.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 09:06 AM

We were up in London yesterday on a coach trip, and it was rather strange that the things we went to see were apposite to the Margaret Thatcher issue. Firstly, the coach passed the statue of Winston Churchill. We were told he hadn't wanted a statue for pigeons to poo on. But they made one anyway, and electrified it to stop the birds landing there. We went into St Margaret's Westminster and saw three books of condolence set on a table. No-one was writing in them, and when I looked, there weren't many entries. Like Churchill, Mrs Thatcher hadn't wanted a State Funeral or a fly-past etc, as she thought it a waste of money. There was a lovely statue of Nelson Mandela, and I imagine he hadn't asked for that either, but there it stood nevertheless. So famous people don't always demand adulation; those in authority tend to take the bit between the teeth and go ahead. The Queen had no choice but to attend the funeral if asked to, she generally does what her advisors suggest. BUT, when we tried to get into Westminster Abbey, we found it would cost £36!!! So we turned away in disgust. We then went out of curiosity to look at Harrod's (mainly to get in out of the cold!) and we saw some headphones in a glass case that unbelievably had a price tag of £20,000 (yes, all those noughts!) and other stuff costing vast sums. Rich folk were buying all this bling. Chauffeurs were landing wealthy ladies at the door, swanky lassies (Sloane Rangers?) went by, loaded with Harrod's bags etc etc. But down the Underground our hearts were wrung by beggars and musicians looking frozen and thin. We gave what we could. And going home, we passed the City just as the financial nobs were coming out and heading for the swish bars, wearing very classy suits and looking very prosperous. All this made me think deeply in the coach on the way home about Rich and Poor. The wealth is obviously not shared around. There are definitely terribly poor folk in actual need. And there are still (perhaps even more so) two Britains. Just a few thoughts which I'm sharing with you.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 09:44 AM

The cost isn't really the central issue. it's the whole display of military panoply, treating it as a solemn national occasion with the implication the country is united in paying tribute to something everyone reverences. That's just not appropriate for a party leader who was and still is held in contempt by aat least half the country. It feels like a calculated insult who see her as someone who did enormous harm to us all.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 09:57 AM

I wonder if it's time to make a decided ruling on 'State-type' funerals once and for all. Perhaps just the Sovereign and immediate family, and all others to be private affairs. I reckon all this hype began with Diana's demise, the funeral arrangements for whom seemed to balloon out of all proportion. If an official guiding rule were set in place, these hyped-up shows of panoply would be a thing of the past.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 10:29 AM

But a great number of people like them. Why are you all being so negative? It'll get enormous tv viewing figures, betcha. If you don't want to watch, don't switch that channel on. & don't tell me you ~~ any of you moaning ~~ are going to be inconvenienced by the roads closed in London for the occasion, or are going to have to forego a new pair of shoes for Baby because of the three-halfpence the occasion might just cost you personally.

There's someone on this thread who keeps going on about the greatness of Attlee - Dick, isn't it? - forgetting that Attlee's attempts at running the country were sabotaged by the vile Sir Stafford Cripps, Bart, a hereditary almost-aristocrat who had from somewhere got the idea that deprivation & ascetism = virtue and right-living, & dragged the government & the nation with him, just when people had won a war and wanted to relax a bit. Lost the Labour Party, incl Attlee, power for ever in the sense of ever coming back with anything approaching socialist policies which everyone had had up to here at the end of those dire 6 years; when, as they say, we won the war but lost the peace.

The point being that I much too often feel the spirit of the 'we-know-what-is-best-for-everyone-and-it-isn't-anything-they-might-want' loathsome Cripps living on in threads going the way this one is going.

~M~

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 10:53 AM

"It'll get enormous tv viewing figures, betcha."

I don't know, viewing figures for the special Thatcher progs shown on her death, seemed to suggest the viewers weren't all that interested. I seem to remember someone posting them on this thread. I also seem to remember at least one special lagging behind repeats of something not very exciting at all.

However if they are going to televise the big glossy funeral show, I hope at least one TV station will have the gumption to provide an 'alternative' much as they do for the Christmas Queen's speech.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Stu
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 11:05 AM

"Why are you all being so negative?"

1) It's a tory propaganda rally not a funeral. There's an air of supremacy about those crowing over this whole fiasco that makes for unedifying viewing to say the least. Not least is the appalling display of hypocrisy coming from those suits all over the media saying the Radio 1 should not play a song that's charted as it might offend a small part of the population whilst forcing millions who suffered under the Thatcher government to endure endless coverage about the funeral, which they're paying for. Which brings me to . . .

2) It's costing a fair wodge of our money at a time when austerity is causing real hardship. Unbelievably in this day and age, principles still count for some people and whether it's 3p or 3 quid it's wrong. This makes it: a) insensitive b) inappropriate c) a tasteless display of ostentatiousness (the sort beloved by tories but not anyone with an ounce of actual taste). If people do riot at the funeral, then it's hardly surprising under these circumstances.

3) Did I say it's boorish and tasteless to use dead people to enforce political viewpoints? The tories are getting good at this and are shameless in using dead people for their own ends (i.e. Gideon's appalling, soulless conflating of the Philpot case with welfare reform). This funeral and the death of Mrs. Thatch is being used to trumpet the triumph of consumerism, monetarist economics, protection of privilege at any cost, war mongering and the whole ethos of conservatism.

Oh, and Tony Blair is a tosser. Just sayin'

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 11:38 AM

but not anyone with an ounce of actual taste",..,
.,,.
'Actual taste' ==ing what SFJack happens to approve?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!???????????

Just asking

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,Jasper Broadbent
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 11:42 AM

Who is this patronising boring old fart MtheGM, an apologist for Thatcher and everything else right wing. He hides behind a pseudonym and sneers.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 11:52 AM

I am Michael Grosvenor Myer, as every regular Mudcatter well knows ~~ it is a familiar abbreviation, not a pseudonym.

I sneer at nothing; I simply have my own opinions which are not those of clearly sneerworthy-if-I-could-be-bothered lefty-boobies like you, Broadbent, whoever you might be.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 11:54 AM

"Not to know me argues yourselves unknown ..."

Milton, Paradise Lost, Bk IV.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 12:01 PM

I see BTW that you are a GUEST, Broadbent. CHARMING CONDUCT IN A GUEST, to take it on himself to insult one of his hosts!

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 12:09 PM

Morrissey has this morning released an open letter to Baroness Thatcher, who passed away yesterday at the age of 87.

Read here:

"Thatcher is remembered as The Iron Lady only because she possessed completely negative traits such as persistent stubbornness and a determined refusal to listen to others.

"Every move she made was charged by negativity; she destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the Ivory Trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own Cabinet booted her out. She gave the order to blow up The Belgrano even though it was outside of the Malvinas Exclusion Zone – and was sailing AWAY from the islands! When the young Argentinean boys aboard The Belgrano had suffered a most appalling and unjust death, Thatcher gave the thumbs up sign for the British press.

"Iron? No. Barbaric? Yes. She hated feminists even though it was largely due to the progression of the women's movement that the British people allowed themselves to accept that a Prime Minister could actually be female. But because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics, and rather than opening that particular door for other women, she closed it.

"Thatcher will only be fondly remembered by sentimentalists who did not suffer under her leadership, but the majority of British working people have forgotten her already, and the people of Argentina will be celebrating her death. As a matter of recorded fact, Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity.

MORRISSEY."

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Stu
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 12:14 PM

"'Actual taste' ==ing what SFJack happens to approve?"

No, but if you have to ask you wouldn't understand the answer.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 12:17 PM

Well said Mozza!

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 12:31 PM

I am quite appalled by the Thatcher defenders lack of insight and total inability to recognise true passion in the views by people who have been sneered at, seen their communities despoiled and in some cases seen meaningless death brought into their lives by Thatch.

Start your own thread Thatcher was a Goodie. I swear, we'll leave you to it. This thread has stated more honest truth than any of the TV channels as far as I can see.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 12:38 PM

""The wealth is obviously not shared around. There are definitely terribly poor folk in actual need. And there are still (perhaps even more so) two Britains. Just a few thoughts which I'm sharing with you.""

You are correct, but never forget that the gap between rich and poor expanded rapidly and vastly between 1997 and May 2010, and hasn't grown that much wider now than in 2010.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 12:43 PM

Seems to me Morrissey is a complete prick...with absolutely no idea how politics or this system works.

A "Super Liberal" with a head full of bullshit.

Dont these people have any grasp of reality? Doesn't he understand that what made people suffer was Capitalism in decline....and wait a year or so and you will see some real suffering.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: meself
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 01:18 PM

If were me - and we have no reason to suppose it ever would be - I would rather have the poor weeping at my funeral, and the rich mumbling and grumbling into their brandy snifters, than the rich weeping and the poor celebrating in the streets.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 01:28 PM

The 'celebrating in the streets' that we heard so much of in advance has been a bit of a frost, tho, hasn't it Meself? How many have been turning out? ~~ vast throngs of two or three hundred poor lost figures in the immense urban landscapes so far as anyone can see. Just look at the vast hordes of practically nobody in these pics:~

http://twitchy.com/2013/04/08/sickening-twisted-revelers-take-to-streets-for-thatcher-is-dead-parties-pics-video/

Teehee. Pathetic.

~M~

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 01:32 PM

Two or three hundred is pretty good for an impromptu street party in any city I'd say. It'll be interested to see how many will turn out for somewhat more organised Thatcher funeral parties.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 01:49 PM

Billy Bragg spoke about 'organising' not celebrating, but it seems to me that the two may not be mutually exclusive. I don't know what anyone else is subjectively feeling right now, but from reading this thread and listening to speeches like Glendas and watching the party crowds gather, it strikes me that the death of Thatcher has galvanised many on the left in the last few days. It feels like there is a spark of reawakened energy from that time when the people united against her and the poll tax. There's a decided buzz in the air, who knows where a few Thatcher protest parties could go?

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 02:08 PM

What you mean, 'protest parties', CS. What are they 'protesting'? I thought they were supposed to be 'celebrating'. Two or three hundred, with years, to hear them tell it, to look forward to the day! Pretty muted 'celebrations', I'd call them.

~M~

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 02:38 PM

I think M, that the parties are celebrations like Guy Fawkes, celebrating the destruction of an individual who symbolised something - in this case the greed and selfishness of Capitalism - which has for so many been constellated in the iconic form of Thatcher.

While celebrating the downfall of the icon, such parties are also simultaneously protests against everything that the icon stood for which still yet lives. And it's a very pertinent time for that, as this government is arguably the most aggressively Tory government since Thatchers own. Thus the symbolism is doubly potent.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 02:50 PM

'Actual taste' ==ing what SFJack happens to approve?"
No, but if you have to ask you wouldn't understand the answer.
.,,.

Wow, Sugar, but there's repartee. That's me crushed ~~ utterly CRUSHED, do you hear!?! Oh waly-waly and alas and woe-is-me!!!!!!!!!!!!

All that is left for me is to GO DOWN THE GARDEN AND EAT WORMS! Farewell, Sad Life!!!!!

Ohh ohh ohh alack-the-day........

☹☹☹☹☹~M~☹☹☹☹☹

teeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee..........................

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 03:11 PM

Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead, number 3 in the hit parade but the good old BBC won't play it all, there's democracy for you.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 03:16 PM

Thatcher was a political thug who tore Britain in half - I've no doubt those half who benefited from her doing so will mourn her passing; there won't be many miners, steel workers or anybody who once worked in the industries she destroyed, rushing to the "on" button.
Nor will they include many of those who lost their homes when she transformed them from homes into commodities.
She befriended a mass murderer (nice touch by Ken Loach when he described her as "having tea with him").
She described putting Pinochet on trial for his crimes as being "a show trial" claimed Britain was "a police state" because the government of the day held him under house arrest until the matter was decided.
"Lady Thatcher accused the government last night of collaborating in "international lynch law" when she mounted an impassioned defence of the former Chilean dictator, Augusto Pinochet......"
"In a speech denounced as obnoxious by Labour MPs, she said she had not spoken at a Conservative conference since being forced out of power in 1990, but she was breaking her self-denying ordinance because of her "outrage at the callous and unjust treatment of Senator Pinochet". She told a packed audience in the ABC cinema, decked out with Chilean flags, that she felt "shame and anger" that a British government had arrested him. "I do not know when or how this tragedy will end but we will fight on for as long as it takes to see Senator Pinochet returned safely to his own country. He had provided essential intelligence information during the Falklands war, and the Labour government chose to repay it by "collaborating in Senator Pinochet's judicial kidnap"......
"At the meeting, billed as Pinochet: Britain's only political prisoner, she was flanked by two Chilean senators, the former Tory chancellor Norman Lamont and the senator's son, Marco Antonio. Plans for a live broadcast to the fringe by Pinochet from his temporary home in Surrey were scrapped. His supporters feared that it might undermine their portrayal of him as an ailing and frail old man who should be allowed to return home on compassionate grounds."
"Lady Thatcher portrayed Pinochet, whose coup in 1973 led to the deaths of at least 3,000 people, as a human rights victim. He had been arrested "by night on his bed of pain, after a spinal operation, in circumstances which would do credit to a police state. We know that he was held first in a tiny room at a clinic under sedation and then in a house where he wasn't even allowed to set foot in the garden."
"She told the fringe: "I never thought in my lifetime to see the honour of Britain and the reputation of British justice so demeaned as in this affair. All those responsible must be shamed and held publicly to account." She claimed that the left was intent on revenge because Pinochet had defeated communism: "What the left can't forgive is that Pinochet undoubtedly saved Chile and helped save South America."
Her take on democracy was to describe Pinochet's massacre of around 4,000 Chileans, mainly young people, and the torture and rape of many more as "bringing freedom and democracy to Chile"; there, but for the grace of ... whoever, went Britain if ever things got too much out of hand.
I can't recall the death of any politician – or anybody at all for that matter – brining so much pleasure to so many people - mind you, I'm not quite old enough to remember yer man in the Berlin bunker popping his clogs.
She did manage to bring me one little glimmer of pleasure - the sight of her being driven away from Downing Street for the last time in tears, for all the world like a spoilt child having her favourite toy taken away - thanks for that Maggie.
It's just been announced on the radio that the Wizard of Oz song 'Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead' has been sent "racing up the charts"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 03:53 PM

CS....I dont think these idiots are protesting against Capitalism, just somebody to hate, to give their lives a little meaning.

I wish to Christ that people would start to consider alternatives, but I see no sign of it, there are still too many affluent "liberals" around telling folks that after the wicked witch is buried all will be well......"Oh we're off to see the wizard," etc, etc,

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 04:16 PM

" still too many affluent "liberals""
Or vicious prats telling us that Brievick had something to say worth listening to
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 04:30 PM

"CS....I dont think these idiots are protesting against Capitalism, just somebody to hate, to give their lives a little meaning."

I do Akenaten. I think it's very much about that.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 04:33 PM

"there are still too many affluent "liberals" around"

I'd rather have the affluent liberals on my side than against me! And from what I observed the partiers looked very familiar, lots of low income folks to be seen for sure.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,Jasper Broadbent
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 04:39 PM

Now I know MtheGM's real name, his last posting shows he really is a nutter, what is it all about, the funny font sizes etcetera? Get back on your medication. Get back to the real issue about that real evil, greedy person who has just had her mortal coil pulled off her, kicking and screaming. Yes, the witch is dead. Billy Bragg said she made him a socialist, What was he before? History should have made him a socialist without The Witch.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 04:40 PM

Ding Dong the Witch is Dead is No 1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/11/bbc-ding-dong-thatcher-facebook

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 04:50 PM

Oho ~~ Capitalism, is it then! Well that would make 100,000 or so other threads. Once we get on to that ...

But I feel must make the point that all you great 'democrats' turn savage and vindictive when it is mildly pointed out to you that the British demos have overwhelmingly & time-and-again rejected any of the alternative systems to Capitalism offered by well-meaning 'progressives' such as your goodselves; and that they also, getting back to this thread, elected the woman you hated, & hate, so much, not once, not twice, but three times, with %s of the vote exceeded only [as Dick never tires of pointing out] by the egregious Attlee who let his govt be railroaded out of existence by the even more egregious Cripps [see above & passim] so that he didn't last 5 minutes once his term of office expired, & none of the alternative systems to the dreaded Cptlsm will ever come within a distant pig-poo sniff of ever winning any party an election again, once people had experienced the misery they led to.

You are all going to scream & hiss & call me a boring old fart hiding behind a pseudonym again [whoever that ignorant fool was seems to have taken his stupid self away, at least - & see below]. But you all know perfectly well that such are the facts of the case. Yet I will lay plenty of 9 to 5 that you will go on virulently & violently denouncing the constantly-expressed will of the people and still go on screaming that you represent democracy.

In a pig's bum, & in your pathetic dreams, you do!

~Michael Grosvenor Myer~

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 04:54 PM

Oh,no ~~ crossposted: he's back after all. And he calls me a nutter.

Well ha-bloody-hahaha...

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 05:00 PM

"History should have made him a socialist without The Witch".
.,,.,.
Clearly made you one: & my what an impressive & delightful personality it has made of you to be sure, Jasper my icky-wickle duckling...

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 05:01 PM

"Oho ~~ Capitalism, is it then! Well that would make 100,000 or so other threads. Once we get on to that ..."

M, I'm not speaking on behalf of the "great democrats", whoever they are, just me. And nor do I undergo a tendency to "turn savage" or whatnot, at least I don't think so anyway! Is that a tendency peculiar to socialists do you think, like a raw impulse belonging to some darkly visaged and bone-bedecked 'primitive' perhaps? One wonders..

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 05:15 PM

No, indeed you don't Sister: you are always moderate & civil and a pleasure to discuss things with; it's just that it was you who intro'd the term. But can you deny that there are those around here, & in the population at large, who fit to a T that paradoxical people's·will-hating-but-self·styled-democrat personality template that I rubricated? Old Jasper Wotzisface seems to be a good example to be going on with.

& I say again that he would do well to remember what is due between a Guest & a member of longstanding before the mods block his posts off as a mannerless pestiferous gadfly; & if he can't cope with the change of typesize then tough·titty to him: should have gone to Specsavers!

Best to you, as ever, CS.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 05:21 PM

I mean, just consider: he is such a lover of freedom that anyone who fails unquestioningly to accept his infantile Weltenschauung is ipso facto revealed as a boring old fart, a nutter...


Oh, I say again, what a little charmer he is, to be sure!.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 05:38 PM

""Now I know MtheGM's real name, his last posting shows he really is a nutter, what is it all about, the funny font sizes etcetera? Get back on your medication. Get back to the real issue about that real evil, greedy person who has just had her mortal coil pulled off her, kicking and screaming. Yes, the witch is dead. Billy Bragg said she made him a socialist, What was he before? History should have made him a socialist without The Witch.""

The members of this forum all know both who and what Mike is, and have respect for the clarity of thought and honesty he displays.

We don't know who you are, but what you are is self evident and commands no respect whatever.

Your occasional dipping into this forum to post inane comments and slag of members says much more about you than them.

So take your snide comments and fuckwit opinions and slide 'em gently up where the sun don't shine.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Apr 13 - 05:49 PM

""And nor do I undergo a tendency to "turn savage" or whatnot, at least I don't think so anyway! Is that a tendency peculiar to socialists do you think, like a raw impulse belonging to some darkly visaged and bone-bedecked 'primitive' perhaps? One wonders..""

You are right CS. You are one of the least savage people I have ever met.

A run through some of Richard Bridge's comments would explain what engendered the use of that phrase, and yes, it is mostly from the socialist side that we get that kind of vicious bile.

Some, at least, of our lefties just cannot accept that more people voting Tory than Labour is democracy at work, just as the reverse was in 1997.

Don T.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 02:49 AM

Democracy at work?

Does anyone still think there is such a thing as democracy?

The mass media now controls every aspect of our lives, our young people in general have been "brainwashed" as effectively as those in N Korea.
Our education system for the masses is a joke, simply containment till they can be quiety got rid of... into the benefits sludge.

However, the endgame is at last in sight, the biggest impediment being the "we can fix it liberals"

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 03:40 AM

Well, yes, ake, one does ~~ in the Lincoln sense of the worst possible system one could think of ~~ except for all the others. We still have the vote for all citizens, and the freedom for anyone to put themselves as candidate for it. How else would you define it? The activities of the press in trying to influence people, and the other 'abuses' you go on about, as Don said above, are all part of just that: our democratic system.

~M~

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 04:05 AM

Problem is Akenaton, those bloody queers get to vote too.

Some people voted for Thatcher. And did alright by her. Funny thing democracy. I didn't vote for her, did rather badly at first as a miner but by the time her own party kicked her out, I was heading up a large multinational and increasing long term decent pay jobs in the industrial heartlands she raped.

Whether I should thank her for my personal success is like asking whether I should blame Scargill for when the bailiffs told me we could keep the pram or pushchair but not both.

On the whole, I have enjoyed the first bottle of champagne and look forward to the second in due course.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Stu
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 04:23 AM

"☹☹☹☹☹~M~☹☹☹☹☹"

I'm sorry, but whilst this whole thread has become most entertaining, more pressing matters intrude.

MGM - how do you make those little faces?

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Apr 13 - 06:21 AM

There is a facility called 'Character Viewer' that can be easily accessed on  which contains hundreds of alphabets & such symbols

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~~ among them ☺ ☹ ..............

I don't know how such things may be done on other systems but I expect there must be a way.

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