BS: the demise of the boring thread

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 May 14 - 07:17 AM

'could have been left to homosexuals to deal with'

however now we need to call on the SS, the Spanish Inquisition, the CID, the IRA, the FBI, the CIA and Ghostbusters!

and the Loch Ness monster!

better off with the clap really....

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 14 - 04:05 AM

"after the overturning of the criminal offence"

Last post was by Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 14 - 03:37 AM

"
Gay is biological, in the genes and here to stay. Us "straights" have to get over it.

Nobody's talking about J. Edgar Hoover or Cary Grant, though.

Probably because..........who cares? "


Well, a few uncharacteristically poorly chosen words Frank.
A huge number of people "care", for a huge number of reasons, especially how MSM STD infection rates are being concealed in the interests of a political agenda.......Not male homosexuals.

This was an issue which, after the overturning to the criminal offence, and before the appearance of HIV/AIDS. could have been left to homosexuals to deal with....They could have continued as private individuals living the lifestyle they chose, but the political activists and their accompanying legislation, have made the issue relevant to all of society.


"WHO cares"......is too crass for you Frank, think on.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 08:38 PM

".........who cares?"

Quentin Crisp, the well-known openly gay English writer and raconteur ("I am one of the stately homos of England.") was being interviewed on television some years ago by Charlie Rose, if I remember right, and the interviewer commented on the way Crisp was dressed and appeared generally. Androgynous. It was a bit difficult to tell by looking at him if he was a man or a woman.

"Do people often ask you if you are a man or a woman? And how do you respond to a question like that?"

"Oh, yes," Crisp responded, "it happens all the time. I generally answer by saying, 'Does it really matter? What do you have in mind?'"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Stringsinger
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 07:37 PM

Good article Mick. So the jury's out but the wind is blowing in one direction.

Homosexuality has a tradition that predates Christianity. Doesn't the fact that it's been around a while tell us something about it, not contingent on any particular culture or environment?

Socrates, Michealangelo, DaVinci, and Tschaikovsky all contributed to the betterment of society, so what's the problem?

Gay is biological, in the genes and here to stay. Us "straights" have to get over it.

Nobody's talking about J. Edgar Hoover or Cary Grant, though.

Probably because..........who cares?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 05:20 PM

Ouch! Hard luck, Don. Hope you are better now.

It is indeed a good link. Will almost certainly be disputed by some.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 05:18 PM

Thank you, Big Mick, for posting that link.

That about says it.

Don Firth

P. S. I've been out of this discussion for awhile.
I've just spent over a month between the hospital and a nursing home, then back to the hospital again. Bummer!!!

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 10:30 AM

I almost hate to post this:

Seattle Times article on choice/biology homosexuality debate

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 09:12 AM

"You must not be paying attention....it does NOT have genetic roots. "

I suspect the term "biological" is not limited to genes, gfs. In addition, if a genetic cause has not been found, that does not rule out other biological causes, whatever they may be, that defines, what one is later in life. I see nothing to either strengthen nor deminish the potential impact of "choice" (in one direction or another) in not finding a genetic cause.IMO, it remains reasonable to consider the liklihood of some variation in cases.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 08:50 AM

Did I mention you Keith?

You said, "that at least one member of Mudcat uses the term "we" when mentioning UKIP"

That was a specific accusation you made against me a few months ago.

Also, you just stated that I have been a member, when I have never even supported them.

All made up lies just like Jim's on the Radical thread.
Even the same use of words.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,McMusket
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 08:34 AM

Did I mention you Keith? Why do you assume the world spins round you?

If you must know, I doubt you are still a member of UKIP. Their more outspoken members are being invited to resign till after the election. Too embarrassing even for Col Blimp and his dangerous fools.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 08:11 AM

Don't try to be clever GfS, you are not up to it. Stick to what you are good at. Nonsense.

D.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 03:46 AM

Dave the Gnome: "Well, no-one can say I didn't try."

Yes Dave, sometimes you are very trying.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 02:47 AM

Well, no-one can say I didn't try. Back to the original plan.

If it takes two men a month to work a fortnight, how many banana in a bunch of grapes?

Gated Hen Move

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 02:40 AM

Stringsinger: "At present, homosexuality has been shown to be biological rather than environmental.
The role of environment might play some role but not significant enough to alter
the sexual predisposition that seems to have genetic roots."

You must not be paying attention....it does NOT have genetic roots. The lie is that it does. This is borne out by virtually every study. Though it was suspected for a time that it MIGHT have been genetic, they have have abandoned that suspicion AND have acknowledged that homosexuals CAN change....if they want to.

A side note: I have a most interesting story in regards to this subject...but I'm waiting for permission to use it. The women should get a kick out of it....or at least understand it better than most the men.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Apr 14 - 02:24 AM

that at least one member of Mudcat uses the term "we" when mentioning UKIP

Must you keep telling this lie?

The question arose what UKIP's view was on something.
I provided a quote from their website.
Their spokesperson said "we."

Only a complete moron would assume I was that spokesperson, and only a complete moron did.

I have actually showed you that the quote was still on their website, but you still persist.
You are so desperate to discredit me, but there is nothing real you can use against me.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Apr 14 - 05:01 PM

The original post was a plea for tolerance.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Apr 14 - 12:04 PM

Ed T, I agree with you and the distinguished Heinlein. This is why I never label myself and refuse to be pigeonholed or diced and sorted into a specific group.

A party line is often boring because it allows for no variation in ideas.

Science in my estimation remains humble and open to new ideas and interpretations
that confound those with an ideological or religious axe to grind.

At present, homosexuality has been shown to be biological rather than environmental.
The role of environment might play some role but not significant enough to alter
the sexual predisposition that seems to have genetic roots.

I support GfS's emotional appeal as a totally humanitarian response to the intolerance shown to gays or any other minority that means no harm to society.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 29 Apr 14 - 11:38 AM

A UKIP MEP said that he found it strange that you can have gender reassignment but a psychiatrist can't change you from gay to straight.

Putting to one side his agenda and asking it as a straight forward question, the relevant Royal College answered by saying such matters aren't in the gift of psychiatrists.

Quite




The same MEP also wonders why you are chastised for saying you hate gay people. Rather frightening that what with him and the other one wanting Lenny Henry to go to a Black Country, that at least one member of Mudcat uses the term "we" when mentioning UKIP. For the benefit of our cousins, they are a right wing hate group that is fielding candidates in elections.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Apr 14 - 08:55 AM

I do hope this is true. If so I think we could take a leaf out of Russell's book.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Apr 14 - 03:33 AM

OK, credit where it is due - I understood most of that GfS so I am happy to reply. You are championing the concept of choice and, yes, everyone should be given a choice. But let me ask you this. Do you believe that being either gay or hetero is a conscious choice? One that "requires that an intelligent decision must be made about something based on factual material." If so, when did you choose to be straight?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 07:13 PM

Ed, If you really like Heinlein, check out "The Sayings of Lazarus Long'..you'd LOVE it!

OK..I've thought about it, and considered Stringsinger's comments as well.....and somethings in the post from Ed T, ..wait....this one:
"Does choice not also include the acceptance that, while some may choose to move back and forth, many gays are happy loving individuals, that should be free to live their life as they choose - without being judged or discriminated against, just as other people in society. That is not being liberal, nor conservative-it is just being accepting and showing compassion for others."

..and I agreed...but here's something to consider, as well, and incorporating thoughts expressed by Stingsinger.... Especially his premise:
"I have thought about this quite a bit and have come to conclusion that choice is a matter of education, not necessarily academic, but investigative pursuing of a topic. Choice requires that an intelligent decision must be made about something based on factual material."

Moreover, his last sentence.."Choice requires that an intelligent decision must be made about something based on factual material."

YES!..YES!!..YES!!!..that is, IF you, are making an INTELLIGENT decision, rather than an emotional re-action, based on other people's re-actions, or perceived re-actions, to FALSE information, and/or deception!
I've posted this before, on another political subject....
People who are deceived, are not particularly 'evil' people..they have just been deceived..that's all....because people, in general, will make the best decisions for their well being, given whatever information they have received, on which to make that decision..and that is not 'evil'.... The 'evil', is in the ones who knowingly pass false information to another to gain a result in THEIR best interests, and if the other person takes his advice, and in being deceived, but making the best decision he could, ends up in some way, suffering an injury to their well being...Fair enough?...
Now I could go on about 'political agendas' that do, and will do, that very thing and have, all through history........but I think we could all fill in the blanks, and maybe even argue ourselves to 'death by boredom', so let's NOT go there.....
..Instead, let's go to the positive side...
In the people you have met through the years, usually there is 'something' about that individual that there is a unique quality...something of substance...something worth holding up and defending...something of special value....most all of us have that, and recognizes it's near, when someone else has it...right?

OK, in the list of life's priorities, that which is special to you, and in the order of their importance...some even being regarded as 'sacred'(not to be confused with religious)in their inner importance, and you meet someone in whose priorities is sex, either hetero or homo,..and because of their priorities, sex, recreational or otherwise, becomes a higher priority than the 'specialness of you are', that it causes you to not regard your 'being' enough to guard/defend it...AND not find it a priority to pass down the special uniqueness to the next generation, with loving nurturing...because you do not have that priority....who am I to argue?...You can do what you want...AS LONG as it doesn't bring danger or harm to another....problem is, sex, whether hetero or homo, CAN and DOES endanger other people to not only STD's(HIV/AIDS), but also hurt and heartache, should one of the people get emotionally involved...and then there is the following break-up, or cheating..or whatever(you fill in the blanks)....also, multiple sexual encounters with multiple people has a negative effect on our 'pair bonding mechanisms'....(no deception there!)
Now, when people, in need to fulfill their sexual priority, so much that they are more concerned with their next 'romantic encounter', than making sure they are not infecting someone else, then those people, hetero or homo, should, at least, be informed to regard others, ...and even themselves, shouldn't they?.....Some other people may not even desire to associate with those kind of people....and that's OK, too....
But, if someone does not think that what is in themselves is not WORTH enough to safeguard, and pass on...that's THEIR prerogative!!
I do NOT have to believe their rationale..I do NOT have to agree with their rationale.....but when other people LIE and deceive about it, then it becomes a greater issue. When a political group issues and promotes FALSE information regarding that, then there IS something 'EVIL' about that!!.....and in our 'concern' and 'compassion', don't you think that WE SHOULD be telling people the truth about it???....and let the people make their INTELLIGENT choice, based on the truth.....instead 'agreeing with them', about regarding something within them of not having 'enough worth'?????

Are we still allowed to 'wonder'???

Stringsinger: "Choice requires that an intelligent decision must be made about something based on factual material."



GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 05:28 PM

""The term "liberal" with a different meaning in the US rather than GB is ambiguous and a precise definition of the term is required.""

Sorry, I was last guest (message sent before completed).

A good observation Stringsinger.( I would also add a few other countries, as Mudcat membership is broader than GB and USA).

It is indeed "kind of odd" that some folks throw terms about with (what seems to be) little concern that there is most likely no common definition of those terms, as they have different meaning to different folks, and in different countries.

""Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.""
― Robert A. Heinlein

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 05:24 PM

Choice requires that an intelligent decision must be made about something based on factual material.

So, Stringsinger, once again I ask, when did you chose to be straight?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 05:16 PM

A good observation Stringsinger.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 03:29 PM

"Ever wondered how people discovering that there is a political group of people out there who are actually opposed to informing you that you have a choice, even about anything, will view that political group???"

I have thought about this quite a bit and have come to conclusion that choice is a matter of education, not necessarily academic, but investigative pursuing of a topic. Choice requires that an intelligent decision must be made about something based on factual material.

The term "liberal" with a different meaning in the US rather than GB is ambiguous and a precise definition of the term is required. I like George Lakoff's view that a liberal in inclined toward a nurturing path modeled by a nurturing parent, with a concern about humanity whereas the opposite is true of those who are not so inclined who actually model and suggest a "strict parent" approach, enabling "authoritarianism", dictatorship and anti-social behavior, such as in the philosophy of Ayn Rand.

The critics of this nurturant idea are generally in the category of "authoritarianism" and are given to ideologies that run the extreme from punitive to fascist.

For further information read Lakoff's "Moral Politics" and "Don't Think of an Elephant".

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 09:49 AM

I am oft reminded of the famed Reverend Dodgson when I visit these pages. One of my favourite quotes is the line " `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' " Usually quite apt on here.

I am now getting more fond of

"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, or you wouldn't have come here."

Seems very appropriate somehow.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 01:24 AM

SRS: "Once GfS (and others) start attacking the character of others instead of the facts of the discussion, it is indeed boring."

Gosh..and I thought I was doing pretty good staving off the harassment of the idiots!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 12:36 AM

this is madness.....300 plus posts, I just wanted you all to say ....yeh we're all mates.

now its all weird stuff

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 12:26 AM

Ed T: "Personally gfs, I dont like the idea of much that is mandatory."

It's part of the 'transgender' process. I can see why....but I didn't write the rules, nor the protocols. There IS a difference in the 'consciousness' of a man as opposed to a woman. I would think that it 'helpful' to have that lined out, being as the difference would have to be dealt with, both in the incoming and outgoing perceptions of one's 'new identity' That counseling is also accompanied with hormone treatments.....fair enough?

I have my thoughts on your link, and I'm doing some homework, because I'm not entirely familiar with the methods of EI....and if they approach their 'ministry' as a 'crusade'..using fundamentalist concepts, I could see why they could be doing damage....but one thing to note, SOME of their 'targets' came to them...as opposed to drumming up 'targeted sinners'(from their perspective). The ones who would have come to them, did so, I assume, because they were looking to facilitate a 'change'.......whatever process was used, I can't speak to..being as I'd have to look into it. If they circumnavigated certain 'inner needs', and just laid guilt and fear on them, I could easily see why it might not work so well....but as I said, I don't know their working methods.

Steve, Yeah, 'Affix'...as to 'add' things(hormone treatments, will grow things, too)....or maybe you were just relating to cutting off things....
...but then you're a harmonica player....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 10:24 PM

Skipping to the bottom I see Guest from Sanity is weighing in a great deal. Has it reached the point yet where those arguing won't accept the facts as presented and have shifted over to ad hominem attacks? Once GfS (and others) start attacking the character of others instead of the facts of the discussion, it is indeed boring.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 07:58 PM

Personally gfs, I dont like the idea of much that is mandatory. In many cases, the goal is often to limit your choices - though I suspect some folks request it on the advice of lawyers.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 07:51 PM

which DOES include mandatory counseling BEFORE the operations to affix different sexual organs to one's body

Christ on a bloody bike, "affix..." Well done, old son, you've finally demonstrated once and for all that you know bugger all about anything. Why don't you just sod off.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 07:16 PM

In the first sentence of my last post-it relates to Africa.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 07:15 PM

I am not sure whers MSM stands in relationship to HIV transmission, gfs. I seem to recall it is less significant than in western countries-but, I stand to be corrected.

I am not up on gay groups views towards counseling related to your statement gfs. But, I suspect, if it is so, if may relate to professional advice, and events related to the situation in the attached link.

I believe many of the related initiatives are sponsorsd by religious groups, opposed to homosexuality, versus credible professional organizations-which may be a major related issue.

I seem to recall that the RC church also attempted some type of similar conversion initiatives (with religious and professional help) with it s clergy, which was dropped as it seemed ineffective (though, I realize that the priests were sick folks, targeting young folks).

curing gays 

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 06:46 PM

Well, in Russia it is 'illegal'...and in Africa the HIV/AIDS epidemic is rampant....in America, it is widely misunderstood, but that's only because of the political agendas exploiting them.
All that being said, I AM NOT in favor of permissive promiscuity...but that goes for heteros as well.
Don't you think it rather ironic, to say the least, that the homosexual community, LGBT, for instance, will support a transgender operation, which DOES include mandatory counseling BEFORE the operations to affix different sexual organs to one's body....but does not support counseling, in fact hates it, and openly opposes it, if a person seeks counseling to change their mind???

A bit on the hypocritical side of things, wouldn't you say?

Well, that's politics!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 06:25 PM

I have seen no reason to see why they would not have such freedom of choice, gfs.

However, I confess, I have limited knowledge of what limits occurs in some countries -such as Russia and in some areas of Africa.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 05:54 PM

Ed T: "Does choice not also include the acceptance that, while some may choose to move back and forth, many gays are happy loving individuals, that should be free to live their life as they choose - without being judged or discriminated against, just as other people in society. That is not being liberal, nor conservative-it is just being accepting and showing compassion for others."

Ah!..a rational thought!

I agree.
(I'll have to say one thing about Ed and that he is capable of having a decent exchange of ideas, without the usual juvenile tactical drivel of some of the other idiotic ideologues!..or is that idiot-logues??)

That being said, don't you think that IF a homosexual, would want to consider not being homosexual, that he/she should be free to make that choice, rather than being locked into the confines of, "Homosexuals CAN'T change"..brought to you by a ridiculous political doctrine or dogma???..and should be allowed to seek either therapeutic counseling or even spiritual counseling, if they so desire?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 05:07 PM

What! The herring have risen?

I can't. I lost my shoes in the lake.

Genie the Dame

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 04:07 PM

Jeri: "I suspect some of you are confusing "genetic" with "congenital". I also think you may actually be assuming GfS is a real person, and who believes anything he says. I don't think any of it has ever been true."

Jeri, who are you talking to?...."I also think you may actually be assuming GfS is a real person...."

Do you find yourself normally talking to, or about imaginary people?

..."and who believes anything he says...."

Do you normally discuss things with people who don't believe what they are saying?...or are you speaking for yourself?

...."I don't think any of it has ever been true."

Having problems with delusional fantasies or just 'other people's confusions'?

.."I also think..."

Do you always identify with those who tell you what to think, instead of HOW to think???


Hmmm...How long have you had these symptoms?..Before or after you decided to be a political ideologue? and identify with those who tell you WHAT to think, instead of HOW to think???

From what you've indicated, perhaps you should seek professional help!


Don, hiding behind anonymous 'Guest': "Nor do they believe that a gay or lesbian person should be forced or coerced into reparative or aversion therapy just because people like GfS (parenthetical personal attack deleted - moderator) don't like the way they live their lives."

Gosh, another case of...." "...one of the things I observed in the early days - and it's still used - and that is that you take someone's argument and then you misrepresent it and misstate and disagree with it. And it's very effective. I've done it myself a number of times. But eventually, eventually people catch on." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, speaking at the National Press Club in Washington

I never said, "that a gay or lesbian person should be forced or coerced into reparative or aversion therapy..."

You said it...not me....but you've ALWAYS had that problem!!!

Having problems with not being able to distinguish reality form fantasy??...Jeri might be able to recommend a shrink, once she finds one.

Dave the Gnome: "I did once, Jeri, but gave it up. See earlier posts for details. I now believe he is surreal. Whether it is a person or not is up for debate as well."

Another guy in search of reality....Jeez, do all ideologues have this problem....maybe Jeri can tell you if it is 'genetic' or 'congenital', but keep in mind that she has confusion issues!

GfS

P.S...Dave, a whelk??....are you saying that you want to eat me?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,McMusket
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 03:28 PM

I've just had a post removed.

TCism seems to be contagious.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 03:27 PM

Does choice not also include the acceptance that, while some may choose to move back and forth, many gays are happy loving individuals, that should be free to live their life as they choose - without being judged or discriminated against, just as other people in society. That is not being liberal, nor conservative-it is just being accepting and showing compassion for others.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,McMusket
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 03:26 PM

I wouldn't say liberals. I 'd say decent normal people.

I fully 100% support what you put though guest.

Say liberal and it sets hares running. A bit like the UK obsession over the last few says with Christian values. Values are values. You don't need what Atlee called mumbo jumbo to justify being nice, although plenty invoke it when they wish to be wicked.

I notice the previous Archbishop of Canterbury has weighed in with a pleasing slap in the face for the electioneering David Cameron. He said we aren't a Christian society. We are a post Christian society.

Quite.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 02:52 PM

Liberals, so-called and otherwise, believe in assuming full personhood for all people, no matter what their genetic heritage might be, racially, ethnically, whether they have curly hair, are left handed—or happen to be gay or lesbian—and no matter what the blue nosed moralists and bigots say.

Nor do they believe that a gay or lesbian person should be forced or coerced into reparative or aversion therapy just because people like GfS (parenthetical personal attack deleted - moderator) don't like the way they live their lives.

Cthulhu

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 01:51 PM

I also think you may actually be assuming GfS is a real person

I did once, Jeri, but gave it up. See earlier posts for details. I now believe he is surreal. Whether it is a person or not is up for debate as well.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 01:49 PM

Why certainly. I'll have your whelk.

How do we do it?

Volume!

Dive the Name

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 12:14 PM

Ever wondered why people discovering that they had a choice, just pisses off the 'so-called' liberals'????

Ever wondered why people discovering that they weren't limited, and to being stereotyped pisses off the 'so-called' liberals'????

Ever wondered how people discovering that there is a political group of people out there who are actually opposed to informing you that you have a choice, even about anything, will view that political group???

Ever wondered how people re-act discovering that the people who say they supported you, are actually bigoted against you by not allowing you to think for yourself...and tell you what you can and cannot be??

Ever wondered how a political group, can decide that you were born a certain way and base that on politics and disregard science?

Just wondering...................if that's Okay with you....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 12:01 PM

I suspect some of you are confusing "genetic" with "congenital". I also think you may actually be assuming GfS is a real person, and who believes anything he says. I don't think any of it has ever been true.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 07:44 AM

"Over 90 percent of ugly clothing is bought by heterosexual men."
Anon quote

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Apr 14 - 04:07 AM

When did you chose to be straight?

DtG