BS: the demise of the boring thread

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 08:13 AM

:0)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 08:11 AM

"Did you hear about the Scottish drag queen?  He wore pants. " ~Lynn Lavner

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 07:38 AM

"Well, he would say that....wouldn't he? :0)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 07:33 AM

"Homosexuality, is regarded as shameful by barbarians and by those who live under despotic governments just as philosophy is regarded as shameful by them, because it is apparently not in the interest of such rulers to have great ideas engendered in their subjects, or powerful friendships or passionate love-all of which homosexuality is particularly apt to produce."
 Plato quote  

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 03:32 AM

I'd be fascinated to know who diagnosed your Scottish man a dangerous weirdo? Doesn't sound like a diagnosis contained in NICE guidelines to me.

Why "psychiatric services" rather than psychiatric services? Out of interest, neither is correct as there is no such thing in The UK. There are mental health services that have psychiatric input but I expect your knowledge of healthcare in this regard to he about as ignorant as your interpretation of sexual health.

You should write a book. Politicians are crying out to find out how the minds of chauvinist chavs work and how to appeal to their numbers come elections. Hopefully after reading it, they'd all get on with trying to appeal to decent people instead and resist their race to the bottom.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 02:07 AM

Well, that was nicely laid out....but the fact is, that there are those who purport that, these theories are indeed fact..and they are not known to be such...sorta like WMD's in Iraq...'strong evidence', and 'most probably's', don't quite necessarily make it true...BUT...at least you stated your position...

Now, as far as me answering you, I was not 'lying through my teeth'...however, I was mostly referring to my posts with you, and I'm sure that if you didn't go back and research it, you would have not even remembered Amos's post..I didn't. So I checked it out, and yes, he did mention it before I..I just didn't see it...(not sure you did either). I'm surprised that you weren't discussing it from Amos's post till after mine...that said, Amos's post, nor any of yours, mentioned the 'receptors' and hormonal influences on Xq28, which HAS turned out to be true...(as referred to in "..greater influences..")...and Amos's study is from 1995. Still, nothing has been shown to say that it is strictly genetic, or anyone has found the 'gene'...fair enough?

...as to, "These are physiologically based differences—as is sexual orientation. We have laws against discrimination of this sort."

If the 'physiologically based differences' were 'genetically based' you might have a point...but there is no direct evidence of that....AND, hormonal influences can, and do make 'physiologically based differences'...as in other areas, as well.

Now, the question remains, 'Do you really believe this?:
D.F. "Sexual orientation is NOT a matter of choice."

If you answer, 'Yes, I believe that'...and a person CAN'T change, then what's this shit about 'dirty little secrets'???
He was either having a hetero-traditional family, while being a homosexual, which by definition is a contradiction, or he CHANGED, (which he didn't), and you say they CAN'T....or your prized 'dirty little secret' is totally false, and just vindictive bullcrap ...which I've told you repeatedly..every time you've used that bullshit threat...when you've run out of excuses and spins.
Think about it for a moment, and even you would agree!(and I'm being 'generously kind')

What I found 'telling', is that when YOU found someone you suspected of being homosexual, you called it 'dirty', as you referred to it!
...Sorta a 'Freudian Slip' there, Chief.

Which brings up a whole other matter, as to why you'd think it that way....but that's for another moment....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 09:08 PM

I support the idea of same sex marriage for a number of reasons. One of which is that, although the research is not conclusive to everyone's satisfaction, there are very strong indications that same sex orientation has a genetic base—not a specific gene, necessarily, more likely a combination of genes, as almost all genetic traits are. Sexual orientation most certainly has a physiological base, as has been established by brain science. Certain lobes within the brains of male homosexuals display characteristics of those of the same lobes in the brains of females—and female homosexuals' brains display characteristics of male brains. That is measurable, and not a matter of debate.

This is neither lie nor diversion. And I have said this repeatedly, but obviously Goofball doesn't like it, so he calls it a lie. HIS boo-boo, not mine.

Sexual orientation is NOT a matter of choice.

We do not (or certain should not) deny rights and privileges to those whose skin color or eye shape is different from ours, nor do we discriminate against those whose dominant hand is different from ours. These are physiologically based differences—as is sexual orientation. We have laws against discrimination of this sort.

If Steve and Paul, or Stephanie and Pauline form a loving relationship and want to live together as life partners, along with the same rights and privileges as mixed married couples, I have no objection. It does not affect my wife's and my marriage in any way whatsoever. And my wife feels the same way.

And I would say that if the idea of a same-sex couple chose to live together in a committed sexual relationship, and the thought of that offends certain people, those certain people had best stop obsessing about it and mind their own business.

I have said this many times and in several different ways over threads in which the discussion is appropriate, but Goofball is either incapable of understanding plain English or he is so offended by the idea that he broods unhealthily on the matter and feels compelled to continually attack and harass anyone who believes as I do.

And my beliefs are based on scientific evidence and a sense of fairness and equity.

The problem is Goofup's, not mine.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:17 PM

Dave, His 'question' was an avoidance and diversion, of him giving me an answer to the question 'WHY' does he support and promote lies and speculations, for the basis for laws and public policies....I'll be VERY happy to address his questions...but if I did it now, it would only ADD to Don's diversion tactic!
We know he supports the lies and speculations..my question was 'WHY?'.

I'll wait....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 06:29 PM

No, sorry goofus. Is the medication too strong again? Still no answer to Don's points about you lying through you teeth? Thought not. I shall continue to speak your language then. Gronng ong pong. It's the trousers! Flying rabbits do that.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:59 PM

Dane the Gnerd: "No, they can't, Brendan. No-one has any clue whatsoever what goofus is on about."

No one??..You mean you're doing everyone's thinking for them??...Maybe he can figure it out..it's not hard...and maybe he''s a little 'brighter' than you.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:56 PM

No, they can't, Brendan. No-one has any clue whatsoever what goofus is on about.

Ake. the answers are contained in my last post.

No they aren't. I think you are getting into bad habits from certain others on here. Let's just take two of my questions -

What makes her life miserable now and what would you do to make it less so?

Go on, humour me. Assume that I am stupid and tell me how on earth your last post answers that?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:47 PM

Brendan, It is referring to Don diverting the thread, and instead of addressing the question, talks about everything but...
Just scroll back, maybe a page or two, to get the context. It's quite self-explanatory....

..oh Don, that should answer your question, as well, too bad you won't/can't return the courtesy!

GfS

P.S....Oh yeah, WHY do you support and promote false premises for public policy??

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:35 PM

'Guest from sanity 06 June 14 - 03.02pm'
Can anyone explain what this post means?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:23 PM

By the way, Goofup, what in the hell are you talking about?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 04:57 PM

Goofball, no matter how loudly you shout at the hangman that the jury was wrong, he's still going to drop you through the trap door.

Don't come bawling to me. If you think the research is wrong, take it up with the scientists who did the research.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 03:02 PM

D.F.: "Diversionary tactic."??????????????

Well you've done your best to divert from THIS...let's get back to THIS:

If you want to say something true, (for a start), try working on WHY the passing of laws and policies, based on a lie...or even at best, speculation...Let's now be honest....WHY?????

...as far as this, "Hmm......methinks I'll start posting pairs of links to self-contradictions that you've posted. You know, posts in which you say one thing, followed by another in which you say just the opposite....."

Let's approach that when you first explain WHY you support laws an policies based on false, misleading lies, and/or at best, speculation.

Truth to tell you spun a web that you got caught in....but first, Let's approach that when you first explain WHY you support laws an policies based on false, misleading lies, and/or at best, speculation.


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:43 PM

Dave, the answers are contained in my last post.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:16 PM

I notice you have avoided my questions. ake. C&P coming up...

Ake: What purpose does this pantomime serve, other than to make the poor guy's life even more miserable and to further exclude him from normal society?

DtG: Go on then, ake. Simple questions here. What makes her life miserable now and what would you do to make it less so? Why do you say " what is laughingly referred to as Psychiatric Services", and what makes you better qualified to help her than they are?

I will add another. Why no answers?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 01:51 PM

I knew a girl in high school who was quite tall, and had a sweet soprano singing voice. I lost track of her after graduation, then ran into her again about ten years later.

In the intervening time, she had got married, had a child, got divorced, smoked like a chimney, causing her singing voice to go down a couple of octaves, and had worked at a variety of jobs.

One of which was a "Victor/Victoria" thing. There was a gay night club on Seattle's First Avenue at the time and it featured female impersonators. My friend could sing pretty well, and she could dance (she'd been in high school productions), and she was looking for a job, so she went to the club and applied for a job as a female impersonator. And got it!!

And she got away with it! All the patrons thought she was a guy dressed up as a woman (tall, husky voice, etc.), but only she and the guy who owned the club knew the truth.

That was years before the movie, "Victor/Victoria" came out.

She was definitely of the female persuasion despite the general confusion other people had about her sexuality.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 11:22 AM

the guy is not a homosexual, he used to be perceived as a "bit of a daftie", folks humoured him, gave him wee jobs to do and protected him from cruelty.

Since "Psychiatric services" have convinced him that he is really a woman in a man's body, he is viewed as a dangerous weirdo.
He upsets the shop girls who have not the facilities to deal with him, they are really scared of him in their small changing rooms.
Other female customers have stopped using the shops.

Is his life better for the intervention of "Psychiatric Services?"
Who are the real dafties?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 09:45 AM

I knew a bloke called Harold who became a woman called Heather. Wore the frocks. Grew her hair. Used make up. Smoked a pipe... Honest! Another time, when Paul became Paula, I thought I would be gentlemanly and offer her my chair. No thanks, she replied, I have only just had the operation and it is still a bit sore. I did point out there is such a thing as too much information :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 09:32 AM

Plenty of wisdom from many a transvestite for that matter.

A bloke I used to know who wasn't undergoing gender reassignment, wasn't even gay for what it's worth, but enjoyed wearing women's clothes, makeup etc was carrying three pints from the bar to the table where he was sat with his mates and the barmaid shouted that he would make someone a lovely wife.

He went to the darts backboard and wrote;

W ashing
I roning
F ucking
E tc

Quite..

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 09:27 AM

"One half of the world are trying to have fun and the other half are trying to stop them."
- Andy Capp quotes

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:58 AM

"You know the message you're sending out to the world wearing those sweatpants? You're telling the world, 'I give up. I can't compete in normal society. I'm miserable, so I might as well be comfortable.'"
- Seinfeld quotes

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:57 AM

"I wanted to talk about how we had nothing to talk about."
- Seinfeld quote

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 04:52 AM

What purpose does this pantomime serve, other than to make the poor guy's life even more miserable and to further exclude him from normal society?

Go on then, ake. Simple questions here. What makes her life miserable now and what would you do to make it less so? Why do you say " what is laughingly referred to as Psychiatric Services", and what makes you better qualified to help her than they are?

BTW - I do happen to know that there is at least one trans on here. Not sure if they have completed the change or not but they definitely would prefer to be addressed as a woman now.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 03:44 AM

On reflection, I suppose an "effigy" can be burnt, by can also be treasured or revered?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 03:42 AM

Why don't you apply the same logic to that man as you just have in defence of nuns starving children and disposing of their bodies in cesspits by saying you don't have all the facts? Or do you change your moral code thread to thread?

I'd be a bit less dismissive of mental health services if I were you. They may be able to help you with both your irrational fear of gay men and your fixation with anal sex. In any event, many on here have expressed disquiet with your not so private fantasy.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 03:08 AM

Run away? you must be joking.:0)

I have a life to attend to and at this moment it is rather harrowing.
Sorry to inconvenience you of course.

The OED says "copy, representation, likeness", no mention of "burning on any fire"
I didn't read the whole article, so I cant support what may have been said later.....but the presentation was so biased as to be laughable.

A complete waste of time.

Their is a guy who lives in a town about twenty miles away, 6' 2" big beer belly, long hair, bushy beard, who thinks he is a woman. He haunts the charity shops buying women's dresses, underwear and shoes..... and terrifying the sales girls.
The poor soul has obvious psychiatric problems, but has been reinforced in his belief that he is really a woman by what is laughingly referred to as Psychiatric Services.

What purpose does this pantomime serve, other than to make the poor guy's life even more miserable and to further exclude him from normal society?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 01:39 PM

And I notice that since I pointed out that I (or anyone) can access any and every post he ever made and expose whether he did or did not say a particular thing that he claims, Goofball has been conspicuously absent.

Probably either hiding under the bed or running toward the horizon with his ass on fire.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 02:05 AM

A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words - Dr Winston O'Boogie.

Akenaton's response to the article merely underlines the article in the first place. His silence since just shows that bullies run off when the other boys turn up.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 09:27 PM

Which is to say, Ake, that the article is right on point.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 09:23 PM

True, an effigy is not necessarily intended to be burned. Effigies of Guy Fawkes, for example, yes, but that's only one specific use of both the term and the effigy itself. Hanging someone in effigy is another.

According to the dictionary:

ef•fi•gy

1.dummy representing somebody disliked: a dummy, often roughly made and intentionally amusing or insulting, representing somebody disliked or despised

2.carving: a carved representation of a person, used as an architectural decoration or a monument

The attempted dehumanization of same-sex oriented people is to be found in the use of words like "queer" in reference to a male homosexual and "dyke" for a female homosexual. There is a whole lexicon of such dehumanizing terms in reference to same-sex oriented people, but you get the idea.

You DO get the idea, don't you?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 11:01 AM

'nuff said I think.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 11:01 AM

An "effigy" is a copy, a likeness, a representation, not necessarily something to be "burnt on a fire".

How emotive is that!

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 10:56 AM

Dave, are you seriously trying to say that was an objective article?
It was so biased as to be laughable in parts.

Who in their right mind, tries to make the case that transsexuals are not human?

Get a grip and stop wasting our time.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 10:24 AM

Seeing as the dogs have now been let out and to get back to one of the earlier discussions, I would suggest that this article is compulsory reading. Substitue 'trans' with any demonised section of society you would care to mention.

Maybe some people will recognise themselves but I doubt it.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 10:12 AM

Don, it was an explanation, not an apology.

I hope that I have nothing to apologise to you for?
My remarks concerning name calling still stand.....just a bit of advice, ignore them if you disagree.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 06:07 AM

Fur enough.

All this rain, make sure you don't step in too many poodles. I'll vet you have already.

And now for fans of nostalgia, one I prepared earlier.

Roses are red
I am just larking
Around on my keyboard
And Goofus is barking.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 04:59 AM

At least it gives us paws for thought.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 04:34 AM

At least two of the contributors are barking...

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 04:16 AM

This thread has gone to the dogs...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 03:37 AM

And pets.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 03:29 AM

I.ve had pups which never raced, and they all exhibited an air of aloofness....they cant be bothered with fuss or childish play that other dogs appear to enjoy.

As I said before, greyhounds are not "pets", they are companions and "fellow mortals".

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 01:11 AM

Perhaps I don't have a hang up over him sniffing other dogs' arses.

The statistical sample of one was eerily correct then as the greyhound sanctuary warned us of all if this in ex racers.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 12:16 AM

I've had two greyhounds. After retirement from the track, the bitch had killed her first litter and they took her to a vet I knew to dispose of. He brought her to me.

I have a lot of funny stories about her. Great personality. I had a couple of fenced acres so she could run free (luckily so, because even with me running full tilt beside her I couldn't break her out of a comfortable trot); in full flight she was a sight to see.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 06:07 PM

Come on Don, surely I'm allowed a little nip at Ian after such a sustained assault on my integrity.

"Integrity"??

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 06:04 PM

A, non-randomly selected, statistical sample of one.:)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 06:00 PM

Hmm!?? Dunno what happened to my cookie.......

Reset now, though.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 05:57 PM

Parallel to my situation with harassment by Goofball.

Your apology is accepted.

Don Firth